@@ninjaworld101 true, and you feel guilty for the guy that never asked anything, but to do his job as a good cop. In the comic you don’t wanna care about this piece of crap anymore.
Kick Ass 2 has one of the most iconic quotes ever: "People WANT to win the lottery, people WANT to f Scarlett Johansson, no one WANTS to risk their life so some moron can walk through the projects at night. "
@@williamswain2303 bro. I absolutely loved that lmao. I died when Chris shot it and it recoiled back and hit him in the face with the old man saying "told you" lmfao
I think the film just makes the characters more relatable and has a bit more heart to it, whereas the comic just makes everyone terrible. I think the latter approach is harder to enjoy because there is hardly anyone to root for. It’s almost like you’re fine if anyone dies. But in the film Big Daddy’s death actually hits you.
i agree; there are aspects and scenes from the comic i did wish the film adapt, but i would have to give the film more credit; kick ass himself in the movies was simply more likeable then the comics. i have no idea why, but for some reason i noticed whenever comic writers wants to do a realistic superhero comic, they always make the protagonist either a perverted loser, or an asshole, now dave in the comics does have his moments, but his reasons for being a hero in the movie i found more interesting.
@@montystudios2991mark millar is specifically known for making every character in his comics somewhat unlikeable. its definitely polarizing but i'd say it is more realistic than the standard good guy vs bad guy trope that you get in mainstream comics - most people are shitty in one way or another and rarely have strong, morally correct motivation for their actions. most people who'd want to become a superhero irl probably would be a delusional loser or a narcissistic asshole doing it to feel important 🤷♂️ whether that makes for an engaging story though is in the eye of the beholder
@@brycekennedy5935 Big Daddy's death was silly in the movie, and the reason why it didn't have as much impact in the comic is because we just found out that he faked his entire motive for going after Johnny Genovese, and only pursued the superhero fantasy, and intentionally endangered his daughter's life, to make his life more exciting. He dies like a dog in the comic, because that's all that he was worth. His semi-honourable death in the movie wasn't earned, because, despite the movie retconning his backstory to be legit, he still indoctrinated his daughter into a dangerous life.
Although I believe the movie is phenomenal, I have to say, the Big Daddy twist in the comics is truly brilliant. It helps to illustrate the parallels between Damon and Dave as they were both motivated to become heroes for frivolous reasons.
This. The comics do get super edgy with its execution, but Big Daddy's reveal is honestly one I like more than the movie. The point of the premise of Kick-Ass is what happens when someone tries to be a superhero, for good and for bad. Big Daddy was supposed to be the "extreme" of it, a comic book geek who actually got the resources to enact on his fantasies and dragged his daughter into it too. It's a cool twist. Idk how it would fit with the movie's tone but I like that the movie has heart, but I also kind of dislike that it all ends kind of super happy ending like a superhero movie should and not somewhat bittersweet.
@@SteelBallRun1890 Im not sure though what you're saying makes sense, though, because in the comic Dave is not that good either. Dave in the movie is more sympathetic, and actually does want to just make society better. Dave in the comic is of the same breed as Big Daddy, just narcissistic and fantasizing about being a superhero. If you stick to the comics, neither of them became a superhero for "good and for bad", just for their own reasons, so the premise doesn't really hold up. Both just wanted to live out the fantasy of being a superhero and were also both self indulgent and narcisisstic - neither of them had good motives in the comics
i think the ending really depends on what message you prefer.Do you like the idea of a cautionary tale about taking ahobby too far? or do you want a story about a normal dude trying to do something right? in the end, that's the major difference of these two stories.
I personally feel like the "don't take your hobby too far" message works better for Kick-Ass because the real world is super fucked up and trying to be like the superheroes you grew up reading is not only insane, but also impossible. All the training and high tech shit in the world won't make you invincible and you will definitely die at some point. It's kind of ironic since Mark Millar is a super famous comic writer writing about how comics can destroy your life. It works wonderfully.
What's strange is, the comic hurts its own message when people are inspired by the superheroes and more sprout up everywhere. I feel like it'd be better if people hated Kickass by the end, calling him a fascist for killing outside the law. Or if all the other superheroes are immediately injured/killed for taking this hobby too far.
The comic isn't about taking a hobby to far. Its about making something of your life even though your life sucks ass. So yea its not a fuck you to comic readers its an anthem to nerdy comic readers who know their life won't get any better, but they still wanna try to make something of themselves. This comic says that you can do that.
I loved the kick ass movie up until the ending scene. I was around the same age as kick ass when the movie came out and it really nailed the jokes and attitude of teenagers at the time. The themes of the movie really resonated with me. A young exceptionally average kid with aspirations to be something greater and wondering why people don't do amazing things every day. He works really hard to achieve his goals but in the end reality hits and he realizes why. The reason I wasn't very fond of the ending was because it was a little too comic book and unrealistic I think the second movie really nails the ending with showing it for what it is, dangerous and illegal, and sometimes being an average ordinary person is okay.
EXACTLY! Like I can get that the comics are too edgy and a bit much (Kick Ass's not-GF sending him her own sex tape as an F you), but the movie also leans too hard on the other direction where the ending is way too generic superhero ending where everything was fine and the good guy gets it all.
I haven't read the comic, but it seems they both have their pros and cons. Usually there's a winner. In this case, it seems certain parts of the comic are better and certain other parts of the movie are better. Anyone agree?
Honestly, I liked Big Daddy in the movie a thousand times more than in the comic. In the movie, I was sad that Big Daddy died because I connected with him and really enjoyed watching him kick ass (plus, being Nicholas Cage helps). In the comic, however, he's just some asshole in a trench coat who comes off as a huge prick and I was almost glad that he died in the comic. I don't know what it is, but maybe it has something to do with that handlebar moustache. I don't trust it... 😑
gotta say, I think if I read the comic, i wont need to compare the two, just looking it as Super Sentai x Power Rangers, each of them have their unique ways of telling the same story, and we can decide who of those two we like the most ( o u o)
Also, in the comics, Dave's mother dies after protracted suffering from cancer. In the movie, she suddenly dies right in front of Dave from a heart condition. This may be a minor difference, but comics Dave learns that life is cruel and people suffer for no reason, while movie Dave learns that life is absurd and anybody can die at any time. Life is not worth living in itself, and might as well be full of violence.
I much prefer the character of Kick-Ass in the movies. The comics version is such a douchebag imo, you just want to kick him in the teeth. The movie version is way more likeable. But the comics are really good nonetheless
Yeah, totally. I think he's such a crappy person in the comics for that very reason. Basically, a critique of the comic book "hero" and of the genre in general. You're basically not supposed to really "like" this person.
I understand. I mean, in the comics they are quite fucked up with no heroic goals at all. Only people killing people facing the morbid reactions of their acts. Maybe that's the point of it. The movie is awesome, but also comes with very action movie clichés and a closure that doesn't really emphasizes how lame would be trying to be a superhero in the real world.
Its funny but I like the first movie over the comic but I like the 2nd comic over the 2nd movie. It was disappointing that the final fight between heroes and villians didnt take place in time square like in the comics
i was under the impression that she was 15 in the 2nd movie because 3-4 years had passed. roughly the same amount of time between Kick-Ass 1 and 2's releases.
TvSonic Serbia the characters are better writing in the movie but at the same time the comic is more mean spirited but realistic and the costume designs in the comics are better.
I don't like the "likeable" part of the movie. It feels paint by colors with typical themes. I feel like the comic explored more sides that a story can than the film did.
Luis Meraz obviously it's unrealistic as it's a work of fiction but it's still grounded more in reality. No jet packs. No random bazookas being used in a penthouse like it's some 90's beat em up arcade game. No getting the girl after revealing you're not gay and that the basis of your friendship is a lie.
Kick-Ass 2 was so much more fucked up. Red Mist (now called the Mother Fucker) goes to Katie's neighborhood, kills a bunch of little kids after they tell him where she lives, goes on to massacring the entire neighborhood, before finally raping Katie. Not to mention he kills the leader of Dave's new superhero group and puts the disembodied head of his dog on his neck. Oh yeah, and Dave's dad is murdered by the villains in jail after he pretends to be Kick-Ass to save his son's identity.
This is one of few times I liked the movie version better than the comic. Although I read the comic first, I found myself likening the characters more in the film. It is still one of the best adaptations from the lot.
This is one of the few cases where I prefer the adaptation over the source material. I think it's funny when I hear critics bitch about how dark they think the movie is.
Actually for all you guys talking about how depressing the comic is, read all three series/graphic novels. Once you finish the third one, it feels more connected with you than the movie. It reveals the true theme of the comics, about how superheroes are symbols of working through problems and always ending up ok. Sure, the first two were a little bit darker, but once you see Hit-Girl and Big Daddy's relationship and bond while he was alive, it feels more developed than the movies. You feel like you can connect with the characters.
Nah, Kickass had it coming. He basically manipulated a girl into doing things like changing around her by pretending it wasn't sexual to him. He was a creepy fuck, and what he did was 100% sexual assault
@@DumGoblin Wrong sure but can we stop using extreme phrases. Sexual Assault is forced unwanted sexual touch. It's way worse than lying to see someone in their underwear.
love the comic in its own right ,but ,its almost like ppl that made the movie ,really did have a interest n like for kick-ass comics and just made it better,if i had to pick,,,,,,had to to pick,,,,i pick the movie at least for the first part of the story
Corey Carnes yeah, i was so happy when i saw the cast announced for that x men movie with quicksilver in it and then the avengers with a different quicksilver in it. btw different universes for the movies so thats kind of an explanation and also in kick ass 2 i think the x men silver got replaced for a new actor because of this whole thing
Large Force It was actually due to scheduling conflicts with American Horror Story that caused him to be replaced. They took too long to make the sequel which was its ultimate downfall.
Large Force That means, that one would have been Kick-ass the other Ass-kicker or whatever name that character settled on. They both played Quicksilver.. Quick, someone give me other coincidences!
Well, I think they made the costume simpler in the movie to help convey the idea that Kick-Ass wasn't some gadgeted-up batman, or alien-suit wearing superman, he was just a dude. He just bought a superhero costume, nothing special. I think a good comparison would be the spiderman wrestling suit. I mean, that was just jeans (or sweats, I can't remember) and a hoodie. But it worked. And then Peter spent more time on it to create the spideysuit. I think Kick-Ass never felt he needed his suit to be more than just a suit. More than what it already is.
Phong Trần Yes Chris is pretty fucked up, his band also...BIG SPOILERS In the neighborhood scene, the villians target Katie, not Night Bitch, believing she was Dave's GF. First they massacre the entire neighborhodd, including the children, arriving to her house they kill her parents and gang-rape her. Then they kill a lot of cops as in the movies. This also shows another negative side on Dave's obssesion, since his actions ended up affecting people who had nothing to do with him.
I love both honestly but I do slightly prefer the movie I love the comics for their artwork, designs and the realism of the story But I love the movies for the humor, writing, acting and more likable versions of the characters
I like everything about the movie much more except the ending. I honestly hated the comic but the reveal of Big Daddy's real backstory and the message of the disconnect between reality and fiction is really smart and packs a punch for me. Idealy I'd take the movie with the comic book ending.
Kick-Ass is easily one of my favorites adaptations for realizing that it IS an adaptation in whole other format and coming up with a completely new thing. All the realism they attempted in comics worked well enough because it's a drawing. Think about an animation and a live action. Then, in the movie, the whole idea of a bunch of half grown or fully grown adults wearing (supposedly) cheap comic costumes is completely laughable and strays far away from the original idea, and they played with that perfectly, there's several scenes were they jokes about stuffs that actually happened in comics. Also, Kick-Ass never meant to be a "hero comic", neither Hit-Girl meant to be an ideal heroine. It's pretty much critical towards those hero images and influences and Hit is a messed up brainwashed kid.
The comic is a lot deeper, violent and gritty. That being said the movie stands very well on its own and is perfect as it is. But the comic just has a lot more to say, which makes it better
@@LIFEOFHADARI It doesn't help the comic that Mark Millar is a giant unrepentant asshole who hates the characters he creates. That's why he often goes out of his way to humiliate them in the worst ways he can imagine. It's also why Grant Morrison hates Millar despite mentoring him when Millar was starting out. Morrison hates the Dark Age of Comics and Millar's writing wallows in the worst aspects of the Dark Age.
Although this is probably because I saw the movie first and havent seen the comic, but I like the movie version more. Theres a thin line between making your story different and gritty, and then having your characters be downright unlikable. I like the fact that the plucky and unlikely hero actually had things work out for him and I like that they made some characters more likable and relatable. As well as having scenarios be justified and actually have a point. If your final confrontation really didnt have a heroic purpose behind it, then Im sorry, but that just ruins the climax no matter what.
NeutralGuyDoubleZero I can agree. However, that was literally done on purpose. Kick-ass was designed was to be a complete deconstruction of the glorification of super heroes and analysis of how these types of actions don't yield the happy endings that we expect.
Rajhkeem Beck I can totally understand that. But at that point all it really serves as is a cautionary piece of advice. A well drawn, well written piece of advice, but thats it. People will read it once or twice, get the moral and then put it down. They probably wont pick it up again because the whole story doesnt really have a point since most of it cant be justified. That and its just depressing without any kind of justified solution. What Im basically saying is, a story that can be justified and understood will stand the test of time and be remembered more than the tale that basically says "No".
I love this movie. It has some really gold comedic parts but the tone shift that happens when Kick-Ass and Big Daddy are kidnapped is so effective that the movie becomes such an engrossing thriller. It's great
I personally prefer the movie. It still definitely gets the point across that being a Superhero isn’t a good idea, Dave says it himself many times. He quits and finds his life is so much better. In the comic he goes nowhere, despite that huge adventure. In the movie he’s a really good person who gets his hands dirty, in the comic he’s an average person who keeps clean.
I'd say the comic has a better moral. The movie message (where they're "fighting for something" and have film morality) seems to be exactly what the comic is against. the obsession and blind acceptance of that narrative. I'm not a purist or anything, but it seems like they have the opposite messages. and the comics message seems more useful in society.
There is no message in comic, you are think too damn far. What is morel raise daughter as murderer, its just because big daddy is hipster nerd twisted. And red mist just torturing kickass with happy , what is the moral? Never trust your friend? The comic is just downright violence porn with sensible plot, thats all
bunnyfreakz I don't think you're able to think past the face value. the moral isn't within the story, it's what the story is saying. (what you said is a bit like taking a sentence, and saying the sentence is about the sentence the sentence is, and not about the real world) What the comic seems to speak about is not the characters morality, but our own. (of course when I used the word moral I wasn't referring to morality in the sense you were, I was referring to the message) Many people could read Kickass and not notice at all that it's fucked up, and see it as violence porn, but they'd be misreading it entirely. The story is obviously about what we find/call heroic, and if a story about what we find heroic is inherently violence porn, then you should get the message.
Since I'm a sucker for tragedy I preferred the ending of the comic since it was far more relatable but at the same time I enjoyed the fun atmosphere of the film. It's hard to pick a favourite when it comes to the first Kick Ass but I will say that Kick Ass 2's comic is superior to the movie.
I see it as two diffrent stories. The kickass in the comic, is extremely diffrent from the films, same with all the characters. And the morals and message is diffrent.
9:23 i felt this difference as red mist wanting desperatly to win the approval and respect of his father but still grappling with his young addolecent ideals
Having both read the comic and seen the film, I'd have to say that I appreciate the comic more for what it does with the superhero formula. It goes into some really dark places, and was indeed pretty heavy to get through, but I don't think there any other comic book story that is as blunt and visceral at showing what kind of consequences can come from a dumb kid wanting to be a superhero. The fact that the movie missed that point is what kinda makes me think less of it - it's more or less just another superhero action flick. Plus, the whole thing about comic Dave managing to not get his hands dirty with killing makes his arc more interesting, in my opinion.
Truth be told I don't think the comic version would have translated to film audiences very well and some changes had to be made in order for the film not to be a flop. The movie's ending was dumb, and the scenario with the girl played out in a way the audience wanted with a more favorable outcome for the protagonist, but it was also very improbable and shallow. I get that the comic side of the argument is that the movie missed the point more or less, but besides the fact that the characters weren't relatable, it would not have fared well with movie going audiences in the least given how hopeless you feel at the end of the comic version. I like both versions for their differences, but they are both also far from perfect.
having just watched the movie again, I definitely prefer it to what I just learned of the comics. While it may not have the more grounded or real world message, it just feels better and more satisfying, creating more likeable characters. I definitely like the changes to red mist, and the background to big daddy and his demise just seem better. Maybe its hollywood playing on tropes and taking the easier path but these tropes exist for a reason, because they're what we'd like to be true. Realism some times needs to take a back seat to idealism. The best part of the entire franchise though might be Mother Russia fighting the cops in kickass 2.
Movie seems better... I like its quirky yet twisted sense of humor... the comic seems like one of those "dark" for the sake of "edginess appeal" type stories that seems like it takes itself too seriously for a comic book satire.
No. In therms of humor, both has the exact same kind of "dark" and silly jokes. The thing is that in comic books, there is no "good hollywoodian ending" to expect because it's just more realistic than the movie.
The comic just felt too dark to be funny until right before the torture scene when red mist starts making one liners and I adjusted to it being funny after that
@MC Cooper No, it doesn't have to, it just so happens that a lot of times it just is like that. You won't see a couple kids destroying the mafia with a jetpack and a bazooka very often in real life, but you will probably find some fucked up guy trynna copy something he saw in fiction and getting killed or injured like a moron.
@MC Cooper I don't think you're getting the point of my comment, you were shrugging off a story being dark as just being edgy for the sake of edgyness, I responded with my point of view of why it is sometimes more realistic to be dark.
So what you're saying is, the movie is infinitely better. Because there's _nothing_ you said that makes me want to read the comic. At all. *And I fucking LOVE comics.*
Yeah, have to agree with this. Overall sounds like the idea behind the movie is far better. Where the comics seem to go for "obsession is bad", the movies demonstrated why being a wanna-be-hero/vigilante can lead to a shitstorm that one would seriously not want to be involved in. Honestly the movie is a solid representation why vigilante justice either gets out of hand or goes places it shouldn't.
@@BlueBird-wb6kb He deserved it. What he did was borderline predatory. Also, I've seen you comment this exact comment copy-pasted more than once within the comment section. If you fail to see why he got cucked, well, sucks to be you lol
well though kickass movie has been a great adaptation, the major twists in the comics should have been brought up too, making it a more realistic anti superhero comic book such as : SPOILER ALERT kick ass NOT getting the girl (for once) big daddy not being a hero, and having a shameful excuse to ruin his daughter's life, he's just deranged, not on a vengeance quest. Red myst twist and hit girl's mom being actually alive (and being a huge twist and a major character in the second part, where it makes more sense for hit girl to stop fighting , to please her mother) all of which are incredible twists that you never saw coming. But all in all, the movie is still a good adaption, a slightly lighter one, but it get the tone, and does the job. Unlike Kickass 2 who ruins the paper adaptation
Funny enough, Mindy thanks her dad daily for her upbringing - and loves every second of what she's doing. This is particularly evident in the new Hit Girl comics... she is utterly gone by now; killing people left, right and center with a smile on her face. Sure, she tells herself that she's helping some chick who lost her son or something, but really she is just hurting people for fun.
In the second though they do break up. And maby the movie didn't excactly point out the obssesive behaviour of big daddy but I prefer that he wasn't completely insane. Also the Red Mist twist wasn't much else than a twist so it was pretty optional.
Dont let this put you off the comic cause it is a VERY good cautionary tale about taking things too far. Both dave and big daddy are so crazy that they emulate superheroes and they hurt themselves and those around them (in big daddies case)
Based on this, and having not read the comic but seeing the film, I prefer the film. My favorite thing about the film was the sense of hopeful optimism and the stuff about trying to "fix" societal ills ("three assholes, laying into one guy, while everyone else watches? And you wanna know whats wrong with me?!?!" LOVE that scene!). Also from the comic I get the impression that Mark Miller is kind of a dick. The "joke" about democrats isn't funny and the homophobic "jokes" Millar has kick-ass make just make him look bad and the character harder to relate to. That said, Kick-ass DOES have the somewhat more realistic plot. So I guess if over the top, brutal realism is what you want the comic could be the better of the two. Normally thats what I'd prefer, but in this case I love the optimism and hope of the film too much. The fact that the comic lacks that on top of the racist and homophobic elements makes it the lesser of the two in my eyes.
KeoneArt What the hell? Why would anyone want to read that? The movie was great, but the comic just seems like a fuck you to the reader. Now I feel like I have to read it to make a judgement on Mark Millar's writings. I've only read one comic of his and it lacks development
Shawn Shaw No, its not that. Just because its dark doesnt make it a fuck you to the reader. The story is violent and goes places many stories dont go, which is something that should be appreciated, just because you cant stomach it doesnt make it bad.
actionvolcano Yea... I didn't say it was bad because I haven't read it. However, it's less likely that I will read it because it just seem to be a blood filled comic with little story that would care about. I've read one Mark Millar story that I plan to finish it as soon as I can, but if Kick ass is anything like it, I doubt I'd like it. But I'd have to read it to be sure. And I know you can't base all of his work off of one story, but it seems that a lot of his work relies on non stop violence and sex. I would like to read a story that goes deeper into characters. But then again I have to find time to read more of his work. Also why is that people are considered soft because they don't like reading about rape? It's the most disgusting thing a person can do to someone.
Shawn Shaw no, ur considered soft because ur bitching about a comic having rape in it, and saying it sucks because of it. Plus, yeah, your softer than someone who can handle it.
spiderleenie Totally agree. I'm not saying there's no place for pure, unbridled cynicism, but Kick Ass just seems like one of those properties that is better with some spark of optimism in it, even if all the involved characters are stupid and incompetent in some way or another. The comic is just utterly Nihilistic in a way I can't personally enjoy.
realevilcorgi Agreed. I'm fine with some Nihilism in comic books, but I think that Kick-Ass did it in a way that wasn't interesting for me, personally. It was all just blood, guts, gore, and terrible people. The tone almost felt like an excuse for Mark Millar to say and show awful things, if that makes any sense. The movie, however, felt like a fun mockery AND celebration of comic book movies. Big Daddy in particular was a huge improvement, in my opinion. I found his backstory to be hilarious, considering that it reminded me of Nic Cage's character in Con Air.
spiderleenie yeah I got a vibe that the comic is full of assholes that I don't care about. Hell I don't even care about the main hero (Kick-Ass) because he's such a shitty guy.
CineFix The Last Unicorn, James and the Giant Peach, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, NeverEnding Story, Big Hero 6, Scott Pilgrim, and Total Recall.
Only thing I really, definitely prefer about the comic over the film is that Kick-Ass never gets his hands bloody. I like that he remains true to that superhero principle. Plus, the jetpack thing kind of takes it out of the "if superheroes were real" realm by introducing something purely fantastical. Aside from that, I prefer the lighter beats and more sympathetic characters of the film.
Fucking shit dude. I'm glad they ignored all that stuff. That is waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy too fucked for a movie if you ask me. Maybe an HBO series could do it justice? (i'm not actually asking for that btw) HOLY SHIT RED MIST IS A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING AND HE'S EVEN WORSE IN THE KICK-ASS 2 COMIC GOD THIS IS ALL SO FUCKED UP
hahhaa not a chance I will admit the first movie is one of top 6 or 7 favourites but the comic beats it by a lot and then Kick Ass 2 the comic version is a million times better than its movie and also one of the best comics I have ever read
The key difference is that the comic is actually good and also more grounded in reality, which was the entire point of Kick-ass to begin with. Most changes were plain unnecessary.
@@papetogaming i mean like think about it? Comic book and movie are totally different I mean like sort of moral wise ish? Movie reminds me more of comedic type shit while the comic book is more fucked up it depends on the person really it doesn’t matter how old you are as well lmao
It’s fucked up but so is the movie the comic is very comedic as well just like the movie the main difference is the comic is more realistic and better written
I love the movies, never gotten around to reading the comics but to be honest I don't think I'm too interested to. I like how the characters were portrayed in the movie better than in the comic from what I've been shown in this video. Especially Big Daddy.
As much as I love the comic and the more griddy and nihilistic approach, I just can’t help but have a giant stupid ass grin on my face when watching the movie. I freaking love the movie!
Mark Millar is just an appalling writer if this is one of his best works. Immaturity aside, he has neat ideas for stories, but the way he tells them sucks. He wrecked his fair share of Marvel runs, and fails to be objective even when asked (Civil War). In his own IP he makes all his characters despicable by using torture porn while trying to appeal to pop culture (which also ages his works), and makes use of shock value to glue his stories together. in the end of Wanted, Millar poked fun at the fans saying they want to be like Wesley by having Wesley look at the reader and call them a bunch of blood thirsty gore hungry wannabe rapists for reading Wanted to completion and wanting to be like him. So I don't know why he still has a fanbase anymore.
CoLeMaWeSoMe Oh, look! my comment is gone but I'm still getting notifications. Was I blocked or flagged I wonder? The jist of what I said is that people like this can't delineate between fiction and reality. According to pop-culture feminists even ironic sexism/racism is as bad as real sexism or racism. Even when the purpose is to draw attention to the fact that these behaviors are negative, these overly sensitive people cannot understand the difference and call them the same thing.
Valchrist1313 Do you really have to be "overly sensitive" to have a problem with turning the Hulk into a cannibal who has fathered a whole army of children with his first cousin and kills innocent people out of boredom? Or when you write a story where the only way to make the antagonist worse than the protagoinist is to have him eat people alive? Also, you are totaly free to like or dislike whatever writer you want, okay? Millar is really good sometimes (I fucking love Red Son) but when he writes something that "draw attention to the fact that these behaviours are negative" Millar is just sounds like a 13-year-old who hates his life writing about the life he wants to have. If you want to read fucked up shit there are a ton of writers that does it better than him. Alan Moores Neonomicon or Lost Girls, Garth Ennis' The Boys, some parts of Gaimans The Sandman are really messed up. And in none of these do you have to sit through a mass murederer telling/showing you how totaly cool he is and how everyone else is just playthings/mindless zombies that have no value.
Max Ehrenström Yes, you do have to be overly sensitive to feel that way, precisely because it's like you said: you are free to like or dislike whatever you want. Feel free to like or dislike the content of the fictional media. However, what the original post and you hav done is to brand and shame the *author* rather than the content of his story. You even call him a mass murderer... this proves my point that you're absoultely unable to delineate between fiction and reality; between an author and his work. You compleletly miss the point that A) you are supposed to question this type of content/behavior, and B) that these fictional characters ARE mindless playthings with no actual value.
I think if Kick-Ass was going to be made today it would be closer to the comics as studios are a bit happier to do proper R rated stuff now since Deadpool, Logan etc Comic is better in my opinion
It's interesting because it feels less like the movie was sanitized for Hollywood, having a slightly happier and idealistic tone, and more like it was just made with a different philosophy. Gives me a "Nihilism vs. Existentialism" vibe.
Although I’m a fan of both the comic and the movie, I feel the comic is a more original story in terms of what it says about comic book superheroes and the dangers of becoming a hero. The movie, although being more lighthearted and entertaining, is almost like a fan fiction rewrite of the character of kick ass. Instead of being a narcissistic loner who does some good for his own benefit, in the process learning the consequences of vigilante justice along with not being honest with people, he’s a righteous awkward nerd who, despite committing some actions motivated by narcissism, gets everything he ever wanted. Although the comic book version did some good and started a cultural revolution (I still have to read the rest of the series), he still learns the hard way that his actions have consequences. It reminds me of Watchmen and Rorschach. Despite being an interesting but flawed antihero, who’s racist and supports far-right-wing media, Rorschach became a fan favorite for all the wrong reasons, essentially being idolized by Zach Snyder. Now although Mark Miller had control over the movie and it’s good, I still think the comic is a better overall story for its message. Although there are plenty of examples of movie adaptations changing and improving their adaptations, Kick Ass isn’t one of them in my opinion. If one of the themes of Watchmen is not to meet your heroes because of how they’re normal people, Kick-Ass is about not becoming a hero if you can’t face the consequences of your actions.
I love both the movie and the comic. They are both highly entertaining in their ways. I adore the plot twists the comic has and the money was so funny and exciting. I love it when the movie and the comic have differences like this, especially when the endings are different(like in Scott Pilgrim). Neither are better in my opinion, they're both enjoyable.
I personally prefer the movie because the comic is way too dark and sick for my taste. At least in the movie there are some likeable characters. In the comic, everyone is despicable in their actions.
***** I like them both in their own ways. While the comic makes you see being too nerd can be dangerous (in a someway dark humour), the movie is really fun to watch.
+magnasupreme Nick Cage looked supremely badass in Kiss Of Death playing Little Junior Brown, he gained 50lbs of muscle for the role (so he was even bigger than he was in Con Air) and he truly was evil and physically menacing
+magnasupreme that was one of his first role's though, he might have even been credited with his real name (Nicolas Coppola) for it, he was for his first couple films, I think Valley Girl was his first film with Nicolas Cage credit
