Really like hearing Klavan opinion on movies and shows !! Ben makes stuff too political when he does it, Klavan talks about the movie first which is great!
Klavan himself has pointed out that Ben needs to "agree" with a movie in order to like it. Drew can see a movie on its own terms, regardless of whether he assents to its message.
Lol. Modern movies insinuate political and cultural rot into everything, Klava n makes excuses for the woke depravity too often...stupidly claiming very often its the artist vision...when only an idiot would call it vision or art. It's because he doesn't like taking on his Hollywood pass and book writers. Too often pea brains except garbage...
Very good video, I love that you examined this through a mainly non-political view and saw it as an examination of the human experience, not as a "minority thing". Personally wasn't bothered by the long runtime, but to each their own.
I saw the trailer and had political feelings for it then I watched it tonight and love the story. Some of it is hard to follow but I’ve been engaged in the plot. This is coming from a gen z.
I agree with you. So many conservative films or even worse Christian films do not show the complexity of human character. They good guys are too pristine and "Hallmark" like. The bad guys are so one dimensional. The difference is like the fashion sense of Melania Trump vs Jill Biden. It is ironic that the roles are reversed in that example, Liberal vs Conservative.
This movie needed major editing. It would have been better at two hours. Klavan cheated by watching it at home; watching it in a theatre was torture for the last hour.
Good observation about too-long movies. Same with books. I recently had to give up on trying to get through the entire Gulag Archepelago because it is very tedious stuff and it's TWO THOUSAND PAGES long. Somebody should have told Solzhenitsyn that if he really wanted everybody in the world to understand how horrible the Soviet system was, he should have made the story a little more accessible. Say, three hundred fifty pages.
@98pointseven1 Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic here. But there is a very good abridged version of The Gulag Archipelago which clocks in at about 400 pages.
I know. And I considered doing that. But one of my neuroses about books is that I have always been too much of a purist to read anything edited, bowdlerized, or abridged in any way.@@todesque
It's good but it's an hour too long. The plot doesn't warrant a 3 and a half hour movie. It feels too self congratulatory and doesn't respect the audience's time.
@@clay8546 Nope. It's too long. Stories have an ideal runtime and this went way over. Saying "You spend an arbitrary amount of time doing whatever" is a nonsensical argument against a legitimate criticism of a film's length.
@@clay8546 That's our choice, I'd do a million things before I'd have this director I used to love waste my time, and I've watched 11 hour movies before.
At this point no one wants to tell Scorcesce no anymore. No one wants to be like “Marty you gotta trim this down.” Partly cause of his iconic status but also cause he’s now old and people don’t want to tell him how to make what could be his last movie.
Yeah, you had better be something akin to LOTR, Godfather, or Lawrence of Arabia if you are making a 3 1/2 hour movie. Who wants to sit through all the 3 hour schlock coming out these days?
This was my favourite movie of the year! I've also started to read the book. Good art is so important, and I'm happy that Klavan is here to point it out.
It's nice that someone at The Daily Wire understands modern movies. I agree with Ben on a lot of things, but I can't stand his insufferable movie reviews.
I trust Scorsese as to his longer films. "Wolf of Wall Street" at 3 hours flew by for me. Honestly, when it finished I turned to my friend and said, "It's over? THAT was 3 hours?!" Fabulously entertaining, great storytelling. Similar with "Casino". "Silence" wasn't as long, but far more dark and intense. That was a grind, not meant as a criticism, though. Well worth it to sit through that depth of evil on display and the spirituality therein.
Imo both Deniro and Dicaprio are miscast. Hale (Deniro’s character) was in his late 40s when this all took place, but Deniro is in his 80s. And Burkhart was in his 20s but Leo is about 50. Both were Texans but the accents attempted by both Deniro and Dicaprio in this movie are unbelievably contrived. But, that’s Scorsese - always casting NY Italians. I am surprised that he didn’t have Joe Pesci playing Mollie Burkhart!
"You know why the good guys are doing what they are doing, but you can't imagine why the bad guys are doing what they're doing" I think I would normally agree. But in this case it just seemed more like bad film-making to me. Neither of the main characters were given any real motivation to propel them through the story (Decaprio wants to be rich I guess, but he gets money early on, and from then on just kinda does what he's told for the rest of the movie. It's honestly a chore to watch a protagonist who just goes whichever way the winds blow him, and that's essentially what decaprio's character did for the whole movie. Deniro's character was more proactive, but he seemed to be just motivated by money, and he's an old man who won't be around much longer to spend it. I suppose he wants it for his children(?) but the movie doesn't do much to support this as a motivation. My guess is his actual motivation was that he's been ripping off the natives all his life, so he's just in the habit of doing so. To me that motivation is also really boring, and boils down to being plot driven. In a faster paced movie it would be fine, but this film is very self-indulgent and just drags on and on. I haven't seen all of scorcese's films, but they all seem to have this painful quality (with the exception of the departed which was apparently a shot-for-shot remake).
I have not seen a movie "reviewer" with any actual substance, knowledge of film, and honest unbiased opinions for many years. The merit of the art as opposed to the projection of the self. Looking forward to more in the future.
Merit? Even Scorsese doesn't give merit to most 2020 movies. You want someone to approve of garbage because it makes you feel better for having no taste.
"Hamlet" - the play (I'm not talking of the various movie adaptations of it) is - in its unabridged form - about 3 and three quarter hours in performance. "Hamlet" is considered by a good many people to represent the zenith in theatre (and, remember, it was written in or around the 1590s). I don't wish to sound elitist..... but ... what some people used to refer to as the "flicks" - do not generally aspire to any great philosophical statement or in-depth psychological examination - if a movie does happen to achieve that, then I would argue it's not a function of the movie's running time - maybe 120 mins or so is needed for such an outcome ....but 220 mins - come on !
Great review I can always tell who has a deep understanding of film. I do disagree with the statement that the movie could have been shorter. You can’t say there is not a scene you need to cut and in the same breath say the movie is to long it’s a huuuuge contradiction. a movie length is determined by each scene that is necessary to tell the story some long movies would work better if it was longer, and some movies would work better if they were shorter it depends on the story and the execution of the story. So to say a movie is to long for the simple fact that it is to long for audiences is a incorrect take. I also disagree with the statement that this movie is not a epic, the movie is very much a epic just a intimate epic.
Disagree that you can't tell a good story from the lawman's side, frankly, i don't know what the hell you're talking about. Scorsese has no interest in exploring that side for sure. But the beginning of the FBI is a story that can be told. I think Martin tried both sides in 'The Departed', but the real exploration in that was still the criminals.
Great work Andrew! Scooby snacks for you. Praying for Israel. My allegiance is to Liberty, the Republic, and Democracy. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year!
I'm from Oklahoma and our state history was never told about how the Indian was treated when oil was found , it was a terrible injustice an a black stain on my state . It was an evil manipulation of the legal system to steal .
Do you really think it would have been different if it wasn't Indians and just 2 sets of white (or any color of people). Money, wealth get involved and all people turn greedy.
From Oklahoma. Only state in the Nation where the teaching of the history of the Indian Nations is required. What do you think about what the Drummond family did to the Osage. I live in the Osage Nation-Skiatook. And as I am sure you know Oklahoma is Choctaw for land of the red people and that the state flags centerpiece happens to be the flag for the Osage Nation, which is the largest geographical area in Oklahoma.
To some degree the tribes are learning to raise above and take control of their fate an it will shake the state up but it's time to reclaim what is theirs .I hope the tribes and state can work together with out hate in their hearts @@Friendofstfrank
The original version that had DiCaprio playing the FBI agent (the hero of the story) would have been a great movie. This version that's all about white men being evil didn't interest me much, even though the book was fantastic
This movie was absolutely painful to watch, and not due to the story. Lily did a wonderful job, but the rest - DiCaprio, DiNiro and Scorsese really shit the bed. Waaaaay too long, too predictable and too slow. I'm all for the eradication of inferior races, but this was a waste of time.
I was so disappointed by this movie. I had very high expectations, but it kinda sucked. I went to the movie with my mom and brother and they both fell asleep
@themanwithnothingtolose lmaoooo why are you so triggered?? What a clown lol. 1. I hate comic book movies and michael bay movies. 2. I was expecting a great Scorsese movie. We haven't had a great Scorsese movie since wolf of Wall Street.
@themanwithnothingtolose wolf of Wall Street, gangs of New York, the departed, raging bull, casino, Goodfellas, mean streets, taxi driver... hell, even cape fear or the last temptation of Christ. Those are the types of movies I was expecting. Nice job getting really sensitive because someone has a different opinion than you. Little crybaby
I’m sure it is good but I’m boycotting the two lead actors. Their political activism is hurting America. I am supporting movies like Oppenheimer which was produced by James Wood who is doing a great deal of good for America.
I mostly agree with his review. The story could have been told within 2 hours. I thought it would have been interesting to have the perspective of the Native Americans more within the film.
Generally, when you claim a 3-hour film can be told in 2-hours, you can think of one example of something that can be cut. For example, Oppenheimer. I would say the final hour of security clearance hearings could have been cut at least by half if not completely because they had virtually no dramatic stakes and were insanely repetitive. Saying you don’t know what you would cut but it should be cut because reasons is a lazy populist cop out, especially in a time where people will binge through entire seasons of a TV show in a weekend.
Klavan is the only one with culture at DW. He understands how important the arts are. Unlike Ben who hates every movie made after 1950. Klavan admits how great boogie nights is and that’s something you’d never hear from Ben.
False. Michael Knowles is very cultured and enjoys lots of things. Matt Walsh hates everything, but that’s partially the persona he’s adopted for himself and I wouldn’t want him any other way. Ben Shapiro is just a child.
What a weird position to take. "I'm much more interested in watching a terribly filmed youtube video featuring a guy with very little knowledge of cinema providing us with his valueless opinion on a film directed by one of our great masters."
I have watched a few youtube shorts where DW employees are asked which is the best show. None chose Klavan’s. He has made the only shows on DW that have made me cry. It’s the only show on DW with any depth. And I think, a 100 years from now, it will be Klavan’s show that will be most instructive and most valued.
I really enjoyed this movie review and would love to see more of these. I hadn't thought about the lack of discipline in filmmakers leading to overly long films, and I have to agree. Marvel also needs more discipline, not necessarily in run-time but in the quantity of movies & TV show spin-offs they're releasing - it comes down to DISCIPLINE.
I loved the movie. Personally I am fine with longer movies as long as the plot keeps me interested in what’s going to happen next. Plus two of my favorite country singers Sturgill Simpson and Jason Isbell of Jason Isbell and the 400 Units did a phenomenal jobs acting in it.
I'm not going to a movie that I'll be forced to miss part of it to urinate. I wanted to see it IN THE THEATER, but there's no way. They should've had an intermission like GWTW, 2001, or Spartacus.
My problem with it is that it is too predictable. When it tells you the premise, you already know the end. And I don't get how someone can love and at the same time make her life a quite literal hell. It's a contradiction I can't accept. I understand that sometimes love turns to hate, but I can't understand hurting someone you love on purpose.
Some people don't know which of their dreams to choose and that struggle inward bleeds into the natural. Sometimes out of their control because they are in a seesaw of their desires. This creates the duality and passion for the puzzling contrasts. And sometimes, the people they have in their life (especially if it's unhealthy) enable or stay longer than they should of the duality in the person they care for.
It’s based on history. Of course it’s predictable. There wasn’t a mystery to what was happening to the Osage. The tribe knew what was going on, their challenge was finding law enforcement people that gave a damn.
Read the book. Not vouching for its accuracy, but don't comment on the story as it relates to the book, which may be completely different than the movie. In the end, the movie is just a movie.
Films show us things other characters cant see. But in the scenes, with the information available to the characters, theres enough info for the Native Americans to know who was behind all the murders.
Really thought this movie was very good. I really think it could've been 2 hours and 45 minutes or even 3 hours personally. Again, there's nothing I would really cut out but I would've condensed it as well. I think that's the only thing that may hurt this movie with audiences. Leonardo's acting was some of the best if not the best I've ever seen and Gladstone knocked it out of the park. I've seen her in a couple of smaller budget movies but she was spectacular in this film. Totally kept up, if not upstaged Leonardo and DeNiro. DeNiro was great as always cause, hey, it's DeNiro. I thought this was a great role for him to get back to more of the serious villainous characters he used to play a lot in the 80s and 90s and it was so nice to see him having fun doing that kind of stuff again. The music was great, the cinematography was great, costumes and setting was beautiful, and kept to the real life story very well. All in all, I'd give it a 7.5-8/10. I think the length just really kicked it down to be able to sit through and feel like it deserved its length to tell the story.
In the little bit of it I watched, I found it to be a "turn it up, turn it down" kind of movie. The story and characters didn't grab my interest at all.
I really enjoyed this movie, but I honestly wish I had seen it at home simply due to the long run time. I also didn't realize the movie's POV was so different from the book, but I'm glad they gave Gladstone the chance to show what she can do by focusing on her and DiCaprio's characters.
@@osmanyousif7849 my sister told me about how certain countries still have those (like India, I believe), and I honestly wouldn't mind that. As it is, I have RunPee to help for the really long films now.
Isn't that the difference between "Conservatives", and "Liberals"? One sees the darkness in man and turns away, to God. The other sees the darkness and turns away from God. And no amount of money would get me to watch Robert Deniro in anything.
Sorry Andrew, but you're all over the map on this. It's "remarkable" but ....? You say it's too long, but you don't know what to cut. You say cut a minute here or there so you would have more than 90 cuts by that logic? A minute can convey a lot! You've fallen into the "instant gratification" trap. I waited to watch your review until I watched the movie. I don't go to theaters, so I waited until I could watch from the comfort of my home, just like you. Personally, I'm tired of Hollywood pumping out crap just to shove something into the theaters. No time to flesh out the characters. No requirement that the audience actually THINK about it. Maybe, just maybe the lack of "discipline" is actually the audience's. What would you say to someone who said your books were too long and that you needed to cut 10 pages from each chapter because your readers don't have the attention span of a gnat. I can guess. 👎
So dumb, they are professional actors on the screen, they become these characters, not the people you read about online. Your problem with their movies is exactly that, your problem in not knowing what a movie is. Such a sad thing for you and so many others today.
LOL. That is some fascinatingly inaccurate mind reading. I know what a movie is supposed to be. Escapism. When actors use their fame platform (that has been given to them by their fans) to promote idiotic hypocritical political views, and dump on their fans, it pollutes the roles they are in. Like a football player crapping on their own country while getting paid an enormous amount to represent it. It's toxic to the profession, and should not be encouraged.
Friendly reminder that Klavan wrote the screenplay for One Missed Call, one of the worst films ever made. So, take everything he says about whether a movie is good or bad with a grain of salt.
I like you Klavan… But MOST decent good people no longer give a rats a** about HOLLYWEIRD, especially DeCaprio and Bloward DeNiro. Thanks, but no thanks. Hard pass!!!
