King Con Top 8 - Grand Final - MkLeo (Joker) vs Sparg0 (Cloud) 

We haven't seen the king since genesis 9 don't cap

I hate how people say that whenever he wins

@@KingObliv why

How is this a major?, only two names were Leo and Sparg0.

@@CleAnMa Raflow, Bloom4eva, Neo, Tarik? Many big names where involved tbh

@@prismabenddc5117 So no Tweek, Gluto, Light, Sonix, Ridles, Maister, Muteace, Dabuz... okay.

@@prismabenddc5117 to be fair, maybe it is a major because of the scale of the event (venue, attendance, coverage etc...) if that's what thomas meant then yeah.

​@@CleAnMaper Lumirank, Kingcon was an A+ tier event (major). It had Sparg0, Leo, Marss, Neo, Bloom4Eva, Raflow, Sisqui and Apollokage, all top 50 players, as well as many other strong players and 800+ entrants. Maybe since we've had a lot of Supermajors recently (Genesis, LMBM, Umebura) you expect things of that scale

Joker sucks

He's been insane with a number of characters. He probably learned things about Joker from using different characters for a while

His Byleth was so much fun to watch but discovering Byleth’s bad matchups took the wind out of his sails. What hurt Leo the most was his noncommittal approach, where he half heartedly played multiple characters instead of committing to a select few

maybe he had to leave him just to come back to him

@@ClimbingKeenlies, he just difficult to play. At that point kaz sucks too

For almost 3 and a half years he was the undisputed best player in the world getting 1st as a norm and in a bad day getting 2nd, people saying he's not good and shit don't get what kind of talent and gained skill you have to wield to accomplish that craziness

@@broadcliff5842 ok but bro consistently didn't get top 8 like almost all of last year. I think it's fair to say he was either not taking it seriously or bro was washed last year.

It doesn’t even matter where he placed last year. He literally brought Ultimate’s gameplay standards up tremendously higher than it ever was and he did it with characters that no one thought were even viable to do so. He’s also the only person in all of Ultimate to consistently place first and second with a roster of like 9 different tournament level character picks. And he did that just because he got really bored using Joker and Byleth all the time. That’s why he’s the GOAT.

@@infernomaster1030 just because he's "not top 8" and instead top 16 does NOT mean he's washed, most players would kill for top 100

@@lazerman3686 Ok 2 things 1. There were quite a few tournaments where he missed top 16, although it wasn't the majority 2. Him getting top 16 actually DOES mean he's washed because it means he's not getting the same placements as he used to. Being washed doesn't mean that the person is bad (no intelligent person in their right mind would call Mkleo bad) but it DOES mean that he no longer is as good as he was in his prime.

How can he press up b twice? I cant do a double jump recovery like that

@@oriolysmedia some characters can Up B twice or more in the air, most of them are those who have tether recoveries

Didn't work at Genesis 😔

Thats not how game 4 Leo is supposed to work. Game 4 Leo is supposed to do crazy comebacks.

​@@martinluther123 yeah last time true game 4 Leo came out and actually succeeded was at super elite monthly series vs Z (diddy kong player), but lately it seems other top players like Sparg0 Gackt and Tweek are immune to true game 4 Leo reverse 3-0's

​@@martinluther123Bs take. When MKLeo fought Light at Genesis 9 in game 4, he took 2 stocks while only being at around 10%, reading him like a book!

happy as I always am to see these titans in play, I think smashers are SO entitled. We're privileged to watch players like Sonix and Acola piloting those characters at a level most competitive players can't even imagine doing themselves. People hated HBox and now he's a legend. People hated Maister and he's beloved by the Ult community. Smash isn't just about the people watching it, and if you can't see the poetry in motion when those players are at their best, you don't really love the game enough.

@@mannya.h.967 Genesis final was whack , and if the game had those kind of MU taking over from the start, the esport would never have been popular in the first place . So many melee bracket matches were better than ultimate finals . Do you have to love every mu to love the game ? Cause i think the enjoyability of ultimate as a player and spectator varies a lot between MU . The game just isnt' perfect but has really cool things going for it aswell

@@mannya.h.967 Talk about yourself, i hate watching these two. Maister is loved because of his personality even though he uses a character not many like, on the contrary, sonix was known to be kinda toxic and acola is a litteral robot, you cant empathize with them and they use the 2 most hated characters.

⁠​⁠@@AlainReyes"acola a literal robot" Because y'all would jump him if he showed ANY confidence as a Steve main

fellow Nairo enjoyer 😎

nairo gonna have fun with this one

@@djhanirharrissmith4494 yuck, groomers

@@lucky3374ban nairo

@@lucky3374just like how he has fun with kids

SK's into competitive smash??

@@electricboogaloo11 hell yeah, I've even competed a bit in my region!!

@@sk_555I’m into clash and smash too, thats awdsome

​@@sk_555 what character do you main?

@@isuck6049 Pokémon Trainer!!

Start at 6:50 to see it

Genesis top 8 was a snorefest for a super major. This was more hype than any set in the top 8.

@@TehWhiteTiger Bro forgot about Tweek vs Tea

​@@BOOMdaGOD that and maybe grands, considering it was just sonix being carried by sonic up until 2nd place once again

Cuz it's two Mexicans fighting for a green card

@@isuck6049 saying that Sonix was “carried” by Sonic to second place at Genesis X is just laughable. When will y’all stop crying and accept that the slow-paced top tiers still take skill to play? 😂

Shuton down airing a Pikmin to recover as Richter. In all seriousness though, Leo's recovery was INSANE. His air dodges are on POINT

Leo is a demon bro

Dumb comment.

He deserved it, this time.

All communities are filled with fair weather fans. This includes athletic sports.

I have never agreed more to a comment in my life

Well with all he has done he is the goat but id still call him Washed compared to what he used to be

I don't think how the community reacts to Leo losing something is necessarily a contradictory thing to his status as the GOAT. For most players, getting top 8 at a major is considered a huge demonstration of skill and proof that they are one of the best, and the community generally celebrates their strong performance. For Leo, getting second place at a super major will still have people calling him washed. If you think about it, that's actually a direct reflection of the fact that people still consider him the GOAT and is in many ways a massive compliment- the community's standards for Leo are just higher than they are for other top players- it's proof of how much he has already achieved compared to everyone else and is in a weird way a sign of respect- anyone who calls him washed for such a high tournament position actually proves that their expectation from a man of his caliber was a straight up win- anything less is under performance.

​@@wuhhlfarg353 you just want super high expectation on someone who doesn't necessarily want number 1 anymore, grow up first and make better opinions next time man

During 4 years, winning a major was just a casual Sunday for MKLeo.

That would be absolutely insane

From what I’ve heard it’s Zackray and Tea. Leo has not won majors in jp only small tournaments.

⁠@@davewu8938Leo won Evo Japan 2018 ssb4

​@@CaliLifeStyle8o5I think people are specifically talking about ultimate when they mention the triple major stat.

leo technically hasn't done it in ult yet since he hasn't won an ult major in japan

Would you all agree that Zackray is more Goated than Marss in the history of Ultimate?

His favorite Kpop singer

@@gerardoortega323 thank you 🙏🏽

They weren't streamed so probably not recorded. The tournament wasn't run that well apparently

@@JackBz Wow. Thanks for the info. Much appreciated. Also... How disappointing 😭 Would've loved to see Skyjay-Sparg0, Leo-BigBoss, & Andres-Sisqui 🥹💔

They're definitely not the same person

@@JackBz thank you

There's been 5 majors so far this year. Tweek, Acola and Miya won the first 3

@@JackBz completely forgot about Tweek’s lol. I didn’t know about Acola or Miya. Were they in Japan? I’m way behind on Japan.

@@insan3giraff39 Yep, Acola won Umebura SP10 and Miya won Kowloon 9, both in Japan and in January