Kingdom Of The Planet Of The Apes - More Of The Same 

It didn't suck. That's a big achievement nowadays.

The one good thing about Kingdom whether you like or hate it is that it doesn’t really affect the enjoyment of the previous trilogy. Toy Story 4, Kung Fu Panda 4 basically undo the endings of the third film. This is basically a whole new story with a new set of characters set centuries after the trilogy. There’s nothing they can ruin unless they deliberately try to

Next sequel would be: The Origins of The Rise of The Dawn of The War of The Kingdom of The Electric Boogaloo of The Planet of The Apes

I have never understood the physics of how a 600lb gorilla can ride a horse without snapping its back.

Caesar was the heart and soul of this franchise

The Caesar trilogy is proof that reboots can be awesome when the teams behind them care about things like story and character instead of relying on the brand name to sell it and going with a lazy check box mentality with the script.

I gotta give props to the effects team because those apes look photorealistic. Hair is one of the most difficult elements to animate and they all look great. Well done to them.

In the Original films most of the Apes were as bad as the former humans. It's why the dressing down of Ape culture was so interesting.

*Hear no Caesar* *Speak no Caesar* *See no Caesar*

"They're no better than their former masters." That was already a plot point in Dawn of the Planet of the Apes: "I always think... ape better than human. I see now... how much like them we are."

That end scene in the original is one of the best things ever captured on film.

One potentially good thing given the general cultural and film climate is what you mentioned about the apes having been the ones you get behind because they are being oppressed, yet now they have just switched roles. Almost like that is the normal course of history. Almost like "oppression" (in quotes because what is currently called oppression is often not), is not unique to one group of people or certain groups of people, but is, instead, the normal course of, not only human nature, but nature.

I genuinely love these movies for how seriously they take themselves. Like them or not, they are trying.

Only 6 or 7 bananas out of 10, again

Just saw it today. And it was a 8/10 for me. Very solid story telling and set up. They almost trick you into believing Proximus is a villain worse than humans, but he’s like if Caesar and Koba joined ideals. Freya Allen’s character honestly felt more like a villain the longer she was in the movie but I guess that’s maybe what they might be trying to set up

In Rise of the Planet of the Apes there is a brief moment where you can see that a "Space shuttle got lost in space" which is a reference to the original movies from the '60s. Yet i wonder if they are going to reveal that the humans who can talk are actually the astronauts who basically entered a time anomaly and have now landed back on earth and Mae being a survivor is just a modern take because in the original of the 4 crew members, the woman died first

Am I the only one who thinks that once you’ve seen one of these movies, you’ve seen them all?

The first trilogy were cinematic excellence. Caesar screaming no. The bridge fight. That tank one-shot. The final battle at the fortress. Felt like a perfect conclusion.

Next movie , humans and apes go in search of Tarzan as he is the real lord of the jungle.

The new PotA movies literally changed the icon of the franchise. It used to be Charlton Heston, now it's Cesar. That's how you know a reboot did something right.

They’re setting up a power struggle that is more than just apes good…humans bad. If you’ve ever studied primatology or watched Jane Goodall, you know that apes (especially chimps) don’t all get along. There is near constant in-fighting, pathos and even war between “tribes.” Also the human survivors who were able to quarantine themselves against the simian flu will eventually polarize into competing factions. There will also be humans and apes that will want some sort of life together away from the power-hungry. There is plenty of room for new ground to be covered.

War for The Planet of The Apes is the perfect ending for the franchise

Kingdom is my favorite one of the newer ones. I love the politics of the apes and seeing how they built their culture. Yes the movie doesn't handle the same heavy topics the other three but thats what makes it the easiest to rewatch. I love seeing the philosophy of the characters. We have Noa being true to his eagle clan but also willing to try to live side by side with humans, while we have Mae who hates apes super hard and is willing to manipulate and use everyone to accomplish her goals, but all that stuff still affects her, showing her heart. We have the Eagle Clan who doesnt really know anything about humans (and not even really care too) and they live in nature. Respecting it while we have the Kingdom and Ceasar, who reside in the remains of an old ship, and is obsessed with making the world for apes and eradicating the remnants of humanity. And we even have humanity but thats mainly inferred from Mae's dialog. To argue your point, I truely think Apes and Humans could get along, side by side. As we almost saw with the eagle clan. If Mae wasn't so reckless with her bonds with Noa and the Eagle Clan, then it could've worked out. I think Noa is a strong character. He definitely fits the timid child forced to become a leader through conflict archetype but he pulls it off really well. I love how highly he values traditions, which guide him when he's at his lowest, but also how open minded he is to information and conflicting beliefs. This makes Noa a character with a strong moral and traditional compass, but he's not so brainwashed that it becomes cynical like Dune. He's a breath of fresh air in this landscape of subversive leads. I hope we see more with him in it. This movie actually left me feeling hopeful, and that was all due to Noa and his confrontation with Mae at the end. Good stuff.

Dawn is the best apes movie for me. The Cesar and Koba conflict was where I felt most invested

Humans and Apes being morally equivalent, with neither side being truly better than the other, was always the theme of Planet of the Apes from the first Heston movie. It's not actually about either one being bad and the other good, it's about the cycle of vengeance and how it just leads to more suffering for everyone. Ceaser himself saw this in the second and third movies. So it's not incongruent for Kingdom to continue this theme, really. I think Drinker might have missed the point on that point. 🤷‍♂️ Rooting for the humans when the Apes are on top is entirely natural and appropriate and, again, completely consistent with the original movies.

The real apes were the friends we made along the way

Never been able to "cheer" for the apes. To be honest, it's the same thing that happened to me with Avatar and the Na'vi.

I'm a bleeding heart for this franchise Not only Caesar, but Maurice (my favourite character) even Koba were such great characters with more depth and emotional gravitas than most human characters we've seen in cinema these days, especially anything from the MCU

To address something you mentioned. I wouldn't say the main motivations for being sympathetic to the Apes was because they were oppressed by the humans. In the second movie this is actually explored when Koba betrays Caesar "I thought Ape was better than human. I was wrong" So I kind of think one of the themes of the franchise is that yes Apes can be just as violent and depraved as humans. Which honestly in a culture riddled with self-hatred like we're some race of demons destroying the planet it's nice to see the idea explored that if another species had the reins they'd screw up just as much as we would.

His name was Noah, and the bad guys got wiped out by a flood...Bam!

This is my favorite sci-fi franchise so I was delighted. After watching it I'm still super excited for the next continuation. This film was definitely to introduce characters and develop the world, that's what Rise was too even though people don't want to admit it. I for one loved it.

"Siri, show me... a gorilla fighting an f22" 😅😅

"Have you ever seen a gorila try to take on a F-22 Raptor?" Is a comment that wins the best quote of the day award.

I love this franchise. I own all the 9 previous movies on Blu Ray. Worst is Beneath and my favorite is Dawn! Loved this franchise since around 2013 I believe! Can't remember when I watched Rise. But one time on tv they were playing the classic 1968 Apes movie and absolutely loved! Then was very hyped when Dawn was released and was not disappointed at all. Loved it since the theaters. Was disappointed with War's 3rd act, in which the apes don't have an epic battle against the human soldiers like in the opening scene and the misleading poster. Was very excited for Kingdom and I like the movie, but it's my least favorite of the reboot trilogy. I still encourage people to check it out, but do not expect it to be better than the previous 3. It is a very slow movie. As a franchise like this has gone on forever and stories have been told since the 70s, it does have that repetitive curse when it comes to long running franchises. I do look forward to seeing if they make a new sequel, hope it can be interesting and better than Kingdom. WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!

I don't think there needed to be more Planet of The Apes movies after War For The Planet of The Apes. At least with these movies, you can tell that the filmmakers actually put efgort into these movies.

One thing I did like was that it seemed like May was going to be a "Key to everything" character. Not only did this not happen, they also made her quite morally grey. She absolutely did not care if Noah died, and the ending proved she was ready to kill him herself if needs be. I like that. Plus I thought Freya did a decent enough job.

Basically this film was like an average day in London minus the tube and Sadiq Khan being the mayor.

"Workung with really old material "?? I saw the originals as a boy in the theater and I'm only 55!

I wish this new movie had astronauts returning to Earth and finding talking apes all over. Remember in the James Franco movie there is a quick scene in which a TV is playing in the back and a news reporter says all contact with a space mission is lost. I really thought they would follow this later but the people who make these new Planet of the Apes movies said there wont be any astronauts in any of their movies.

Apes and girl find advanced human armour Her, "It's literally perfect." , Caesar "It will be, when it fits an ape!"

"Can apes and humans coexist? No. No they can't" Raysis!

This is a documentary. Believe me it's about South Africa. I live here.

What were you expecting? Rings, wizards and orcs? Honestly man!!!

I need them to keep going until we get “Planet of the Planet of the Apes”

i completely agree with the drinker on not connecting with the new apes movies (relatively new) at first. But having re watched them in rapid fire sequence (all 3 movies in the course of two days) i can honestly and full heartedly say they're one of the best trilogies of all time. Easily. When i decided to concentrate on Caesar’s journey and who he was and how he adapted and changed throughout the series i found a whole new unknown respect for these movies i always regarded as mid to boring. I think the initial problem was that i had to wait in between movies and never felt the full weight and momentum of the story. Caesar although hard to connect with him on a surface level (him being an ape and all), ended up being one of the most compelling, wise, tragic, just and intimidating characters ever. Not to mention the ambience of some really cool set pieces, this is definitely a trilogy I will be revisiting. But hey that's me.

Proximus Caesar is my second favourite character of the saga after the OG Caesar. This guy had depth to him, he wasn't a generic bad guy, and I loved that about him. Really hoping he's not dead. WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!

Forgettable? Absolutely not, lol.

A 'Beneath the Planet of The Apes' remake would have been cool if done right.

I’m gonna be completely honest, I think you’re kinda misunderstood the theme these movies seem to cover, or at the very least I’ve had a different interpretation. It’s not so much a question of “can apes and humans coexist” as it is an exploration of the nature of sentience and how conflict is an inherent part of nature. They’ve shown in the previous movies that the apes are not in fact morally superior to humans. They were just simply in their infancy as a sentient species. In this movie they’ve since evolved socially into a more sophisticated, but also more aggressive and competitive force. Idk I find it to be interesting and am planning on seeing the movie.

A little bit of THE MESSAGE, when Noa enounter the gibon, it says, "he was my village" other than that, I guess it's an OK movie.

"it's more like a set up for something bigger and more interesting rather than a proper narrative all of it's own" TRUTH!

So long story short: intelligent species arises and competes against their own kin or other intelligent species for limited resources. This movie is just a new Paleolithic.

Well, I can definitely say this: out of the line up of things I saw at WonderCon this year, this movie was the ONLY one I was excited to see. Not Fall Guy or Boy Kills World or anything else. It was just this one…which should say quite a lot about the despairity in quality between them. Also, the Director was the only one on the panel wearing a hat and it was to hide the bags beneath his eyes. Bro was super dedicated to the craft and loved what he was doing and it showed. Mad respect to the guy.

In the old movies, a handful of "good" Apes slowly developed a connection with the audience (via Heston) - you didn't necessarily care about the humans they were rounding up but you did care about Heston, who did slowly connect you to the plight of the humans. In these new movies, the audience is supposed to feel sorry for the Apes and care about all of them right away, and somehow root for them to win out over not only human civilization, but other tribes too. It's weird, and doesn't feel right at all. It's tonally off, and emotionally manipulative.

6:32 Cus the people who said that did not experience what we saw in Caesar's trilogy. Ofc they didn't know that's why they asked this question.

Critical Drinker: Uploads Vid Me: *WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY*

Planet of the Beneath of the Battle of the Escape of the Planet of the Rise of the Planet of the Dawn of the Rise of the Planet of the War of the Kingdom of the Apes is just more of the same? No. Shocked

It was always going to be tricky to update the grim, pessimistic tone of the 1970s-based Apes movies to a shinier, more sensitive age and make quite the same impact, but the visuals are impressive and it's good to see a solid remake series, at least!

i felt raw energy when that chip said “BUT THE LAW IS WRONG” he went hard with that one

Loved the part where they said "I hate every chimp I see, from chimpanz-a to chimpan-z"

"Everything is a remix" - Kirby Ferguson

I haven't seen this movie yet but I think, as far as reboots go, this one might be the best in the last 20 years. The first movie is an almost perfect idea (from a narrative/ story telling POV) of how the apes could have become intelligent in the first place while showing a sympathetic side to the apes with Caesars coming to power. It sets the next 2 movies up perfectly IMO with reasonable understanding of the protagonists mindset and ideas. The second is a great depiction of near future "apocalypse" type of scenarios again with realistic motivations and intentions from both factions and the third is a great way to show humans finally devolving and becoming more primitive as they themselves become more "ape like", as we were before. Overall, id say its a great arc contained within itself and this movie seems like a bit of a cherry on top that might satisfy the itch some have to see apes and/or humans fight. That also allows big movie studios to include a strong (and actually attractive for once) female character as what i can assume is the only real human character in the movie. Its a weird, rare win win for all.

IT was ok, nothing ground breaking but it was alright.

My favorite part of the movie is when the ape said "Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." It really hit me.

The only problem with Heston’s portrayal of “Taylor” is that it didn’t continue. These new flicks I can’t even be bothered to care 🤷🏻‍♂️

Here’s the thing, these movies critique humanity while also nullifying some of the most human things. Ingenuity and adaptation. For example, as primitive as Native Americans might have been viewed as, they (or more specifically the Sioux and other Plains tribes) knew that dipping arrows in cow/bison manure would eventually be lethal to a target, specifically a human target, via blood infection. Without any real contemporary knowledge of germ theory. That’s pretty remarkable, yet simple, at the same time. But that is what humans can do, figure things out. These movies shortsell humanity.

I think you’re missing the point of the movie. For humans it took centuries to advance to current technology. Apes have just started and for them everything is new. And this movie wanted to introduce a character who’s interested in pursuing science.

I enjoyed watching it in theatre. Yes it has flaws but I appreciated being immersed into it and that's all that matters to me. I don't remember enjoying a blockbusters for some time.

What I like about these movies (both the originals and the new) is that they are thought-provoking in a good way. They make you look at ourselves and wonder about the "what ifs" of another species taking our place and if they would be better or worse. And they do it without the nausea-inducing self-loathing of "The Message" currently infecting a lot of media. The movies have (so far) avoided falling into the old trope of "the noble species" (like Avatar) and give plenty of evidence that yes in fact, any species given sentience is capable of both Good and Evil.

The interesting quirk if you watched ALL the original 'Planet of the Apes' movies is that you think they're going for a time loop... but they don't. The sequel has a second astronaut discover a cult of mutant worshipping a nuclear rocket... which launches a couple of the speaking apes back into the distant past. They produce a child who gets mixed in with the other apes but ends up leading a revolt to overthrow human society. Back where we started, right? Wrong! In the new society that is built, both apes and humans live and work together, though humans have lower status because 'ape has not killed ape'... only the latter does happen by the end so the apes experience their own fall from their dogma. Equality is, in the end, achieved after each species has their go and proves they're no better than the other.

The original book by Pierre Boulle written in 1963 is actually the most compelling (and self-contained) story.

Hundreds of years later & *cotton t-shirts still hold up* for all the humans to wear (& better than skyscrapers)? My t-shirts die after roughly 4 cycles in the dryer. 🤷🤷‍♂🤷‍♀

The more things change the more they stay the same

I rewatched the trilogy in prep to watch Kingdom. Even though they're movies about talking apes, I was struck by how well crafted they were. Visually, narratively, the character dynamics, the motivations. All of it was so well done. I actually felt as though the ape characters had more depth and were better actors than we see from actual humans in most big-budget films nowadays. They were a fresh take on old material and they did it expertly. Kingdom lost Matt Reeves in the director's chair. I felt it didn't have quite the same spark to it. It was good, but not great which, in my opinion, is what the first 3 films were. On a separate note, did anyone else notice that Noah had a similar birthmark (and face) to Caesar? Little Easter egg there I think.

Rise dawn and war were absolutely epic. One of the best cinematic trilogies going. I was excited for kingdom but I was overall disappointed. Proximus was a complete waste, Maya was not that great of a character and the last 20 minutes was super rushed as if it should have been an hour itself. Dissapointed 😓

Disney is going to milk the shit out of this franchise.

"They were here before you. And they were better than you!"

I saw Rise, Dawn, War and Kingdom back to back. Kingdom is the aftermath. The movie was complex to create and they took years to make it. I was satisfied with what they showed us.

"LEAVE HIM" - Caesar

To me, one of the biggest intrigues with the trilogy were the subtle biblical references, with Caesar being the Moses character. You can see it clearly in the last movie with the "red sea crossing and phaoro army drowning" type scene near the finale Let's see if they continue with this thread. The choice of "Noah" for a protagonist name is interesting.

The first trilogy was a prime example of how to do a reboot and a trilogy.

Killing Ceasar was like Killing Ragnar Lothbrock in Vikings.... Never to be the same Ever...

Imo Planet of the apes is one of the most underrated franchises out there Yeah it’s not as big as Star Wars or Marvel, but in terms of quality, it has remained consistently good, which is EXTREMELY Rare nowadays. Especially the last trilogy I’m all for a new trilogy as long as it’s still good (unlike modern Star Wars)

i think wes ball did a really good job with this one. he had big shoes to fill and i appreciate the effort that went into every frame of this movie. i also appreciate the continued serious tone they continued on with tbh im surprised this movie even turned out the way it was

I don’t think it’s set 300 years in the future. Maybe 50-100, depending on what “many generations later” means.

After thinking abt it, i think i just found out the necessity of this possible new trilogy: it will show the downfall of the apes’ mentality, compassion, and show their transformation into the cruel apes we know from the old movies

One of things I can appreciate about your reviews is that you try to remain objective. For some they enjoy listening to a critic regurgitate what they themselves already think about a movie or bash on one that doesn't. However in this review (as well as others) you basically tell us the ape movies aren't your cup of tea, but you still go through the critique leaving that on the side and look at it for its own merits or lack of. That is one of the things lacking in 90% of critics. They have no idea how to objectively look at a movie and say what's good and what's bad with it even if a movie they did not enjoy or want to see again just because it's something they don't like personally. This trait is what sets apart real critics and critiques from "critics" who are just spouting out their "preferences". I really appreciate that effort you put forth and knowing if the drinker recommends it's because the movie is objectively good and not just a movie the drinker personally likes.

It was solid. Good intro to the new protagonist. I want Rocca to come back. A tide like that may not be enough to unalive someone.

03:35 " a bunker with abandoned human technology" - "I want you to show me how to make - fire". King Louis, The Jungle Book. No new ideas under the sun, again.

Yeah its more of the same. But when the same is really frickin awesome, I can't complain. I love these modern Planet of the Apes movies!

So it's another Disney product featuring "the girl that's the key to everything"? I believe we've already seen this flick.

i was a huge fan of this one. ill try to be brief in case the alcoholic maestro has occasion to glance at us peasants. Basically ive always seen the new apes movies as historical dramas from the perspective of the apes (i have a history degree so this may be a niche appreciation). The Caesar trilogy was all about dealing with the clear and present danger of humanity pushed to desperate limits. it was compelling, concise, and didnt devolve into mindless action. this new trilogy seems to be about the mythological threat of humanity and the sociological evolution of Ape society. as such, it needs to be different in the exact ways it is different and the only reservations i have are centered around the humans overstepping their place. Kingdom is also a really refreshing reconstruction of the heroes journey which is very encouraging. i could talk for awhile on this so i guess ill have to make a video essay on "sociological evolution and the planet of the apes" or something equally pretentious sounding.

The original 1968 movie is the only one i still regularly watch. Cracking good sci-fi movie. That ending is one of the best endings ive ever seen in a movie. Beneath The Planet Of The Apes is a great sci-fi film too. I thought Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes was a good film. The rest are generic crap. I don't care about flashy modern CGI effects. I care about story, and the best story has already been shown in the original 1968 movie.

Before Kingdom, I hadn’t watched a “Planet of the Apes” movie since the 2011 reboot. Maybe that’s why I actually enjoyed it as a fun action romp.

Putting out my review today. Movie is perfect in Imax. From a visual standpoint Problem is Andy Serkis set the bar so high. No one in this film gave a "bad" performance, but the plot was thin and the themes rehashed I fear a part 5 is just going to be more of the same. This isn't a terrible film, but it's NOT as good as the Ceaser trilogy. It's a Matinee movie just for the visuals, but i won't be watching it again anytime soon. Unlike the first 3. Drinker always makes amazing reviews and I'm glad i saw the same plot points and weaknesses he did

1:43 This is a weird thing to say. The movie tells a complete narrative. It doesn't feel like it's setting up anything; there's a new villain and the villain gets defeated. And since it's a Planet of the Apes movie, it's also filled with social commentary that criticizes humanity, with deeper themes under the surface. It's a good movie, and I recommend it, especially when there's so much garbage coming out these days.

Tbh, I was rooting for the humans in the last 2 films already.

I think what this movie did very well is re-establish the viewer's sympathy for both some humans and some apes. That was a really key element to what made the first two so engaging, but was pretty much absent in the third

Not as good as dawn or War but I think this was a solid start to the new trilogy. Noah is a good lead character to have and I’m sure they’ll explain more on why some humans still have intelligence. I think the theme will revolve around following Caesar’s words of living side by side with humans, or if apes will have to go their own direction. Personal opinion, I don’t think apes and humans can live together, humans will always view themselves as superior

5:22 relating to this Caesar said in Dawn, "I always think ape better than human, I see now...how much like them we are."