Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - It's A Mess 

Their plan of fighting people who live in the ocean and thrive in the ocean…. In the middle of the ocean had to have been the worse battle plan ever 😂

Has anyone else noticed that whenever a new female character is shoehorned into a story, the writers put a lampshade over it by having another established character say "I like her." They use this exact same ploy every. Single. Time.

I miss the days when the MCU had a clear central narrative, good writing and a sense of direction

I especially loved how Shuri survived a worse injury than what killed Killmonger 🤣

Marvel: "Don't ask questions, just consume product."

We're also overlooking WHY the F did his mom inherit the kingdom? The first movie made it pretty darn clear that you had to fight to become the Wakanda ruler. Shit they even did it twice. Yet when he dies all the other men who have tried to claim the throne before just said NAhhhh she'll do fine.

The amount of times wakanda actively partakes in acts of war against other countries is honestly impressive

What bothers me the most is Riri essentially built a nuke for class and didn’t expect anything to happen. It’s wild

I'm sorry. Wasn't the entire point of the first Black Panther movie that T'Challa comes to realize that Killmonger was right about Wakanda's isolation and hoarding of vibranium was doing more harm to the world than good? T'Challa learns that, despite that extreme measures taken, Killmonger just wanted to have Wakanada see the error of their ways and he honors that by opening Wakanda to the world. And this movie begins with them just backtracking all of that.

I've had enough of seeing a hero ran through with a spear or sword only to see them fighting minutes later. It's like the writers don't understand that THE SPINE exists.

This movie desperately needed Chadwick Boseman. It felt so directionless and dragged on forever. Rest easy Chadwick, we miss you

M'Baku should be the next Black Panther. Imagine how BEASTLY a suit would look on him, how much power it would project. He arm-wrestled Shuri without consuming the flower.

When Ironheart was flying in her suit in this movie I couldn’t stop dying laughing of how bad her suit is lmao it looks like a Power Ranger.

"The Drinker has jurisdiction wherever the Drinker finds himself to be" just has to become another classic line you use every few videos or so

I'm gonna say it. John Walker did NOTHING wrong by killing that dude in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. They magically forgot that every single one of their heroes has killed before since villains are expendable in these films unless they're Loki. They could have gotten around the death of the line of kings so easily in this film just by making Nakia pregnant at the start of the film. It easily could have been handwaved that she married T'Challa. Hell, they handwave everything else. We lose T'Challa but there is still hope for the future in his son. Maybe instead of pointlessly dying for Riri, his mother would have died to save Nakia and the baby. Why can't this just be a story of a family dealing with the loss of their brother, son, and husband? Oh right. PRODUCT!!! We don't even need RiRi Williams in the MCU since they gave Tony a daughter. Just jump ahead a bit and let her take the reins. Or just have Pepper standing in for him for a while, carrying on his legacy. God, there are so many places they could go and they always choose the shitty one.

3:03 Just noticed something. Here, she cuts the bottom bit off of the soldier's magazine. The soldier then fires at least three more shots from his magazine, attempting to hit her. Disregarding all of the EXTENSIVE other problems with this fight--the bottom of the magazine is where the spring is attached. The follower is pushed upwards by that spring. The follower is pushed, by the spring, into the cartridges in the magazine, feeding them upwards into the firing chamber. With that spring attachment gone, or even with the spring damaged in any way, that magazine would have IMMEDIATELY stopped working, the cartridges probably would have all fallen out of the bottom, and no more rounds would have been chambered, meaning he would have been able to fire one more shot, if that. But nope. Glorious. Phenomenal review as always, ya big lush XD

At this point I don't think Disney marvel can withstand too many more "cultural events".

Just watched the film. The main problem I just cannot get over is that the wakandans, the most intelligent & advanced humans on earth, bring weapons designed for ground battles to a naval fight. They had the technology and resources to build the most lethal anti-under water weapons like torpedoes & depth charges but no, for the sake of plot convenience (or stupid script writing) you never see them upgrading their weapons to address their battle needs. SMH.

My main gripe was that they manufactured a new country Wakanda could go to war with, so they wouldn't disrupt the world order set up in the universe. I found that I didn't know who to root for, as there was actually no real conflict. It felt like someone starting a mass fight by accidentally walking into the person in front of them.

Marvel really didn't waste any time capitalising on Chadwicks death, even if it meant a rushed poorly written and directed movie.

You remember when Tony stark needed basically millions of dollars worth of tech from his own super advanced weapon provided by terrorist and then also raw material and a forge, and equipement plus months "just" to make his first iron man suit, which is now seen as a bunch of scraps/would be treated as a mini boss or strong fodder enemie in any other show? Thats taking into account Tony being born rich af, his dad being howard stark and having years worth of experience and knowledge, plus the practice (which would have only been doable because of his budget)... But now, a random student can just make sci fi tech from microwaves. Yes, because as we all know, if you rearenge a toaster in the right way, it'll become a quantum computer.

"It's okay when we do it." "The situation is nuanced and complex when we make mistakes." "There's historical reasoning that pardons our bad actions." - wakanda

What also bothers me is that ocean men gave his most emotional valuable possession, his mothers bracelet, to Shuri. Why would you gave something like that away to an outsider, who you later declare your enemy? I predicted right away that his bracelet would be the key ingredient to make the magical herb.

Lol don’t you remember when Riri said that she built her first machine at the ripe old age of 3 after her step father gave her tools and let her figure it out 😂😂😂😂😂

Okoye: "I like her!" Thor: "I like this one." Without these queues, I wouldn't be able to figure out that we are supposed to like these characters.

Namor casually giving Shuri a water suit of someone he probably killed painfully and removed their body from was pretty morbidly funny

“It’s okay when we do it” Oh how fiction became reality.

Besides everything you said, the end-fight between Namor and Shuri gave me “Marta Effect” vibes, also how Shuri let’s almost everyone in her army die because she is taking her time to kill Namor and it’s completely ignored as Shuri and Namor come back on her aircraft and everyone smiles and leaves, like wtf? It was a cheap outcome with terrible casualties and they just brush it off like her attitude as a leader and protector didn’t even matter at all… And one point out of all that I agree with you Drinker, is that Shuri doesn’t fit the role of black Panther because of her goofy character, I literally can’t picture or take her serious at any scene because she just doesn’t look serious, she looks goofy, fragile, like she is waiting to tell a joke

One of the issues that I have with the MCU is the following: If everyone can become a hulk (smart hulk) with a blood transfusion from Bruce Banner, everyone can pilot an iron man suit, everyone can become black Panter with some herbs etc. etc., why not just creating few tens of thousands of super-hulk soldiers with an iron man suit and the agility of black Panter? Just in case another intergalactic threat comes along.

Namor’s name is now short for “El Niño sin Amor,” or “The Child Without Love.” This is because a Spanish enemy called him that. Imagine an alternate timeline where the Spaniard called him “Hijo de Puta” instead.

2 great takeaways from this film 1- the fight scene on the bridge 2- Angela basset carried the film while she was in it (no reason for her to die off)

You know what bugged me? They mentioned that Riri built the vibranium detector because a teacher told her she couldn't, and I kept wondering, how would they even get on that subject? It felt so random, and almost like they should be searching for the teacher who planted the idea in the first place (the US Gov't, perhaps?). And the rain to bring Wakanda back to their promise of help with resources. Maybe that shouldn't been Ross's job, rather than just a colonizers joke.

I love that the MCU is now a multiverse, because in my universe, the MCU ended with a snap.

"I'm not entirely convinced this movie isn't just some elaborate troll." Oh Drinker, you just summed up all of "phase 4" in the MCU.

"The pacing makes an Arctic glacier look like an F1 car." lol. That one caught me off guard

Black panther 2… “bilbo baggins was out jogging in the woods when shiri & okoyas mosquito drone attacks him”

One huge thing that's becoming blatantly obvious with these franchise films/TV shows is that the people who write and produce them don't have much real-world experience of a lot of the things they're putting in their product. Soooo many flaws & inconsistencies.

Omg the "She makes a garden rake look morbidly obese" line killed me

I nearly pissed myself laughing when I saw the main villain flying with those tiny sparrow sized wings on his ankles... WTF!!!

Shuri felt so right as the genius, smarta55, naughty sister. But as a main character and as Black Panther feels so forced and awkward.

Imagine being the "strongest" nation on the planet and yet you choose who controls your entire country without question based on who can beat who in an ankles deep of water 💀

When writers and directors are hired based on their social media viewpoints rather than their actual talent, is why we have movies like this.

I just watched this movie after the Disney plus release and I feel like Riri could have been removed from the movie and it wouldn't change a single thing. She's shown to be really intelligent but doesn't even do anything to show it

After my dad and I saw this movie, we couldn’t remember all the names so it was Mayan Homeboy (Namor), Telemundo (the underwater city), and Ape-guy (M’Baku) though this last one is mostly bc my dad can’t pronounce the name lol

when critical drinker talked about the first bit of the movie, i thought "yo that sounds like good writing" but then he proceeded with the rest of the story and i was like "okay there it is"

If the king is dead, according to the first film, there must be a competition to establish the new king. Or can anyone challenge the queen in combat and win the title of ruler of Wakanda? I'm really confused right now.

I just watched this movie and came straight here, knowing you'd done this video. I had high hopes at the start, but if anything, this movie highlights how little Marvel cares about the relationships between characters. Riri's introduction scene reminded me so much of Tony Stark showing up at Peter Parker's house in Civil War, even down to "I can't go to Germany, I have... homework" and "I can't go to Wakanda, I've got class in fifteen minutes", but there was none of the connection that Tony and Peter had. I thought they'd develop her relationships with Okoye and Shuri throughout the movie, but I don't think she had a single scene with Okoye after the car chase, and she just felt like a spare part in all of her scenes with Shuri. Then there's Shuri and Namor, where there were all the parts and the chemistry for a story about two people who feel deeply connected to one another and make unlikely allies, but are ultimately doomed to never trust each other's motivations enough for an actual friendship (or more) to develop, but they cut it down to the bare essentials... in a three hour movie. And don't get me started on the actions scenes, that had me going "ohhhh this is gonna be good" and then "... oh, that's it?", or the excessive slow motion.

I think a recast of T'challa was needed, I felt Namor was fine, and even Menacing at times, but it clashed with the scenes where you thought for a second that maybe he was going to try and court Shuri, only for him to 180 at the end of it. I think, a Recast could of been done, and you use Namor to kill T'challa, where he dies after stopping Namor, and doing something that makes Namor see the error of his ways. Then In the next movie, if you are going to use Shuri, then you go about making her the Panther then. I think the character that dies in this movie, also could of survived it and then you move her death to next movie. The movie drags on, but when it gets going it hits in rapid succession with things not giving you time to really take them in. Like he said 3 movies cut into one film. I disagree with his take on the comedy, i think it landed for the most part, and that wasn't just every 5 minutes to the point that the movie was a parody. unlike some other shows and movies done by the MCU. I think Ironheart has the chance to be a good character, but little time is spent building her up. Instead you get the John Wick Build up where everyone around her talks her up, but with little time on her you don't get to know her, and because all of this happens like drinker said she is just the plot point. we are suppose to believe that the Atlanteans are just as strong and as advanced as Wakada, but little is done to prove this.

Losing Chadwick was such a terrible loss. He was such a light of talent. And knowing how hard he worked on the first Black Panther despite probably being in so much pain due to his illness.

I find it ridiculous that they call all the white characters "colonizers" in the film when wakanda was never colonized and wakanda never gave a damn that others African countries on its border were colonized , I mean, they could have helped them and stopped everything whenever they wanted.

Gotta agree with Angela Basset being the best part of this train wreck. 64? I see her in so many things and had no idea she was that old. Damn she looks good for that. She should definitely be the next true Black Panther. You have to admit, that would bring serious crowds

I'm completely sick of tiny little girls fighting massive men and winning.

You know the Drinker is a man of culture when even he admires how in shape Angela Bassett is for her age.

It's also weird how Wakanda was perfectly capable of fending off an extremely advanced space-faring civilization in Endgame, and then Namor is able to walk in and out of the city completely undetected TWICE.

Well said. This movie was a disaster. Ocean Man was a joke. What bothered me the most was that Ocean Man called himself Prince Namor. That aint no Prince Namor. That was nothing but a joke.

Namor impaling her with her spear was barely a flesh wound Drinker! It must be a Disney idea that strong black women are immortal as they did the exact same thing in Kenobi.

Namor is a character from the comics, and in the comics is considered a power. He basically fought the Hulk and the Fantastic 4 to a draw. Originally he was a hero, teaming up with Captain America to fight the Nazis, but then became a villain as he threatened the surface world partly because of what we do to them, but then later was a hero who sometimes joined the Defenders. At his worst, he planned to conquer the surface world, don't think he ever considered extermination. Making him Hispanic is supposed to be a metaphor for the USA.

9:40 Yes, someone else noticed that line about her casually building her own quantum computer. WTF were they thinking?!? Does she casually build nuclear reactors in her spare time, just for the lulz too?

To be fair losing Chadwick impacted the script severely, not that it would have been drastically different. But at least they wouldn't have to explain his death. But for those that don't know oceanman's original identity from the comics is the Submariner. But the biggest problem with Marvel movies is. They kill off their best characters like Thanos and Warmonger. Then realizing they fcked up because they actually still need them and could have made meaningful movies with them still. A favorable fit for Black Panther could have been Michael B Jordan if they didn't kill him off. They could have easily made his story about redemption

"It's a mess" Perfectly sums up the MCU after Endgame.

I thought it was really strange that Wakanda failed to honor T’Challa’s promise to the world to share Vibranium. 😂

"its ok when we do it" Jeez they did it again in Secret Invasion with using the word 'spook'

Congo-Kinshasa is probably the richest country ever resource-wise. Also a hellhole in perpetual civil war for six decades.

"My enemies call me Namor." Well you've been hidden for hundreds of years, no one knew you existed, so what enemies do you have?

You gotta admit, a villain with little wings on his ankles is pretty damn terrifying!!

Just watched Angela Bassett in the Tina Turner movie RIP Tina, she was amazing in that film then I remembered her in this and felt a wee bit sad for her

The answer to every question and every doubt is that they have vibranium, which can change into anything, emits energy, and its indestructable.

"Don't think about it, just consume the product." This perfectly zooms up the way movies have been feeling like these last couple years.

now, who would have thought? :)

As a blk man me and a lot of my friends ,hate the whole moral concept of the first one,i wouldn't even waste my time with this one and Sub Mariner is one of my favorites

My main problem with namor was that they never said he was objectively wrong. Like they tried to show him as a bit sympathetic instead of ya know a guy planning to commit unprovoked genocide.

The "badguy" from this movie was totally chill when Thanos killed half of his people

Whats funny is that they could have avoided a lot of these problems if they just recast T'Chala, which is allegedly what Boseman had wanted in the first place.

Seeing black panther slapping around the winter’s soldier is the best thing ever

I used to watch The Critical Drinker so I could avoid bad movies. Now I watch it just for fun because there's no such thing like a good movie anymore.

Everyone: "I`ve been looking forward to this." Wokanda: "Our Powers have doubled since the last time we met, Drinker." Drinker: "Good, twice the pride, double the fall." Edit: Thanks to everyone that liked and pointed out my mistake while still being nice.

1) Never snort cocaine before writing a script. 2) If you did it anyway, never send it before a night of sleep.

I remember Namor from his reintroduction in the 60's (yes, I'm older than Methusalah). He looked like Spock in speedos, with winged feet, but drawn by Kirby or Ditko, or any of the great artists at Marvel, he was imposing, haughty, arrogant and to a li'l kid like me, a bit scary. He didn't have earrings. He didn't have a couple of kilos of bling round his neck. He definitely didn't have a nose ring like a prize fecking bull. He wore only speedos and a belt, but was infinitely more threatening than this travesty. Aquaman in the DCEU isn't blond, but at least they adapted his comic book costume fairly faithfully. I appreciate the use of 'Atlantis', the home of both Namor and Aquaman, had to be avoided in the MCU, but why make him a fecking Aztec or Mayan or whatever? Just change the name of the city. OK, I'm being dragged off my soapbox, so I'll stop ranting... One more thing. In the comics he was built like Tom Daley. This version is a salmon sandwich away from being Homer Simpson

You can tell how genuinely disappointed instead of just angry the drinker is with a movie with how he says "go away now" at the end.

So basically, Wakanda Forever basically undid all of the character development T’challa went through in the first one. I thought the whole first movie was about T’challa realizing that Wakanda needed to share their resources and stop taking a backseat in history. Wakanda forever completely undid that within the first twenty minutes.

I can't even tell you how thankful I am for your videos. Saved me a lot of time that could've been wasted actually watching some of these movies. THank you, Sir.

"Everything has to be accomplished in the slowest, least efficient way possible" Sounds like every Tarantino movie to me.

When shuri said " He drowned my mother right before my eyes" I was really confused because she wasn't actually there.

Man, this film misses Chadwick Boseman soooo bad. None of the cast can hope to hold a candle to him, and this is reinforced by Michael B Jordan's cameo. The dude steals the whole film in that scene cos he has more charisma in his little finger than the rest of the characters.

Tech is treated like magic: kill the wizard responsible

Namor’s plan makes Bane and Talia’s torturous plot look genius by comparison

One of the biggest gripe I had with the movie is why the heck wasn't Bucky present for Tchalla's funeral? Bucky owes him his life

Idk why during the last fight, the wakandans didn't use the sound waves on top of the boat which could've made the fight for the wakandans. Or better yet use the sound waves to force them to hot land where the wakandans puppy guard the water until the water people get dehydrated, also you'd think that if they wanted to make namor dehydrated they shouldve used flamethrowers instead of cheap heaters

Ever since Ryan George pointed out that Falcon's outfit covers everywhere but where his brain is stored, I can't unsee it now. I think where the Black Panther is concerned, I dunno if anyone can succeed Chadwick's cool goodguy swagger. I don't think Shuri can hold down that kinda legacy, especially if Marvel forces her actor to pander some bs that will permanently damage the franchise. Also, I dunno if I'm seeing things, but Shuri's Black Panther looks a lot more bendy and rubber-ish when she fights.

Angela Bassett would've been perfect to play Storm once upon a time.

As someone who's worked in the filmmaking industry for too many years, in VFX/Post, it's always amazing to me that anything cohesive from Marvel even makes it to final edit. All of these big budget high profile FX heavy movies are written by one committee, designed by a 2nd committee, produced by a 3rd committee, directed by a 4th committee, edited by a 5th committee, then distributed/marketed by yet another committee. Each of whom have their own separate agendas and ideas, and barely communicate with each other. Not to mention the multiple teams of lawyers, 200 layers of approval on every little thing, then some clueless studio head randomly coming in at the last minute to play "Director" and demand changes!

The absence of Chadwick and Tchalla hurt this film. I hope they recast the character

Honestly, should've just re-casted. At least one or two more movies with T'Challa BP to set up Shuri. Now it just feels forced. Also would've preferred Okoye.

So Namor's origin went from the classic "Sailor banged a mermaid" to "Vibranium did it". 10/10 thoughtful writing. Someone mentioned that Namor's weakness of being too dry is actually cannon. They made sure that little nugget was still cannon, but retconned the origin of an entire race.

*"WAKANDA, It's OK When We Do It."* - Based Critical Drinker

Okoye being black panther would have been the most logical choice by a mile. The queen before dying removed her from the Wakanda's special forces group, stripping her of everything that held meaning to her. All her life was dedicated to protecting Wakanda, now she was cast out...but hey, why not have geeky science girl be the new Black Panther over probably the country's best warrior who recently got laid off I wonder?!

You nailed the review, it was cringeworthy and SHOULD have been a fitting tribute to Chadwick and even though there were the fitting scenes at the start and end, the issues were just too many to count 😖 even the reveal of his son at the very end was lame as Shuri had already been to Haiti, so let’s reveal him as she grieves at the end?!? 🤷‍♂️ Well done Marvel , continuing to go rapidly downhill, a rushed car crash of what could’ve been or should’ve been an incredible follow up, very sadly missing Chadwick😶

Guy who lives in a world where iron man literally invented time travel and an ex-con has quantum tech: “We can’t even dream of the technology wakanda has” Wakanda: fights bad man with literal sticks

When Namor said “Wakanda forever, more like Wakanda Bore-ever” I failed to choke back my tears. Such an emotional moment

So right. I completely FORGOT about ocean man and the whole underwater civilization crap, until watching this. That's how totally bland the whole thing was.