@@kIRO_mmz7110 Wow, that's so damn cool :D It's amazing to know you guys still exist today. How's life for Coptics in Egypt, do you guys face oppression still? And I'm from Turkey, just have been fascinated since I've first read about your community ♥️
@@kIRO_mmz7110 Like, do you ever stop and think, "Damn, I know some Egyptian!!" :D That still feels so unbelieveable to me. I'm glad that your community hasn't yet disappeared, I hope you can thrive in the future!
Figured I’d comment this quote from 12:50 “There is one true church. The thing is, the boundaries of that church are not necessarily institutional, they are spiritual boundaries. And we have biblical reasons for believing that.”
yo im a non-denominational/baptist christian and i just wanna say: thank you for making these videos (KingdomCraft, The Basics, et al.) because I've been using them to help with my private bible studies. May God bless you for your efforts!
@@jyllr1373 I could say the same to you about Protestantism, but it wouldn’t be any more or less acceptable to do so. We all have our own convictions for practicing how we do. What’s wild to me is that Christians (all of us) spend more time and effort trying to get each other to join a different sect than we do actually witnessing to nonbelievers. If you spend more time defending a label (Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox) than Christ Himself, that’s a serious issue.
Yeah I'm catholic too, and I like this guy. I respect most of his beliefs on why he's a protestant, there pretty reasonable, but honestly the whole idolatry thing I think is much less reasonable. He didn't say it in the video but many protestants claim that praying to saints is a sin, which I honestly think is a little ridiculous (no offense to anyone) considering that the basic definition of a saint is someone the church recognizes has gone to heaven. And as they are just normal people with no power of there own (other than that given by god) I see asking them to pray for me the same as I would ask my family members, friends, deceased grandpa or anyone to pray for me. They're just dead and in heaven.
Same but I think he got the idolatry thing a bit wrong, we don’t idolize the church or Pope, we know the pope can be wrong, that’s why there is a whole country dedicated to making sure we don’t go astray
Half the time I wish more contemporary Protestant groups went by a different name … Protestant should evoke images of tradition passed down from the Reformation!
Iam converted protestant raised in atheist family living in mostly catholiic country. I just found your channel and I love your content. You exactly said how I feel about my reasoning about becoming a protestant. Thank you and God bless my brother. btw...thanks for mentioning Jan Hus...Iam from Czech Republic where Hus was from!
OH MY GOSH. I haven't even watched the video yet, but I just gotta say how GLAD I am to find another minecrafter christian. Like, seriously, this is SO EPIC. I didn't know this could excite me so much, but now i do i guess! xd
I love thinking about how oh sections of the church, a Roman Catholicism, eastern orthodoxy, Protestantism, and Baptist have worked for the benefit of society through gods providence. Each has their downfalls, and each has their strengths. Through God’s grace, we will reconcile our differences and come back together to one true church
I wish we could, but Protestants and Baptists are all gay heretics Iʼm afraid. At least that's my impression after visiting their masses regularly over a year
JESUS IS BUILDING HIS 1 true body Q was JESUS religious? Who did HE have trouble with? 1 Tim 4 v 1-3 should a follower of JESUS be involved in a religious group that has a priesthood that is forbidden to marry or is it demonic? Are you going to justify it and stick with religion Or Follow the Truth? ✝️🩸🕊️🙏🏻🙏🏽🙏🏿
Hi, I am a practicing Catholic. I watched and enjoyed this video greatly. Thanks for sharing your perspective in a charitable manner. We really need more of this online. In contrast, on RU-vid we tend to have Christian apologists going at each other. For instance, I was watching Father Athanasius (Orthodox criticising Catholic), Trent Horn (Catholic criticising Orthodox and Protestant), and Mike Winger (vs Trent Horn i.e. Protestant attacking Catholic). Not sure how much of that is healthy debate. One point on the "One True Church" issue though. The reason why Catholics and Orthodox tend to dig their heels in on "One True Church" is because we reject the idea of denominationalism. Apart from various theological disagreements, one big difference between Protestantism and the other two "parties" - for lack of a better word - is the idea of denominations. The difference is a little difficult to explain outright, but I can give an analogy. Imagine that Churches were ice cream vans. In the Catholic/Orthodox perspective, our view is that the decoration of the vans, and the model of the vans themselves can change, but they all have to be selling the same flavour of ice-cream. Whereas our view of Protestantism/Reformed is that Protestants believe that different flavours - and sometimes multiple - of ice-cream can be sold in the van. And there should only be one flavour - the Apostolic flavour.
Hey man, Baptist here. I have a question. What is the backing in scripture of the idea that the one true church is just that, and that it is infallible? And yes, I do 100% understand I am looking at the papacy through a Sola Scriptura lens, but I also feel there would be some form of biblical backing to support it, other than what’s mentioned in Matthew 16:19. I respect what that verse is, but to me there isn’t enough of a claim presented for the argument of apostolic succession and the idea that the Church is the ultimate authority. Again, I could be missing a bit, and I also got up not too long ago and don’t have time to fit my whole thought process in a RU-vid comment, so I’d appreciate the Catholic point of view
Thanks for your friendly reply! Matthew 16:18-21 is the verse used to support the authority of St Peter, that is, Petrine Primacy. Apostolic Succession is supported by the book of Acts, in which two things happen: (a) The Apostles elect St Matthias to replace Judas Iscariot; (b) The Apostles appoint bishops in the Church to lead the people. If even Judas Iscariot required a Successor, why not the other Apostles? Infallibility is indicated in the verse "Against you the Gates of Hell shall not prevail." The other term for infallibility is indefectibility. And in fact, "indefectibility" imo is the more accurate term because it is has an intuitively narrower scope than what people usually apply to infallibility. "You" is taken to refer to the entire Church as a collective. The fact that the Church is a "royal priesthood, and holy nation" is taken as an indication of authority. This part is a little less obvious to us, because most of us in modern times have been brought up under republican governments and constitutional monarchies (if you are in Europe). But in a pure monarchy, the Kingdom is an ontological extension of the monarch, and thus people are regarded as "subjects" or projections of the monarch. The authority of the Church comes from the fact that she projects the authority of Christ. Actually, Protestants - particularly Pentecostals - believe in that too. Some Protestant pastors like invoking the authority of Christ and The Father to "decree and declare" this and that. The idea that the Church is the ultimate authority comes from an idea of the equation of the Church with the Kingdom of God. WRT the Catholic Church, we have started to walk back on that idea since Vatican II. That was made clear in the document Dominus Iesus, but that point was obscured by the controversy over the term "ecclesial communities". But I sense your question isn't actually about Apostolic Succession or Ecclesial Authority, but about how the Pope somehow monopolizes these. The answer to that is a bit complex. Unfortunately, many Catholics also misrepresent the doctrine. The Succession lies with the Pope, but the Authority is still possessed by the Church as a whole. The proper Catholic doctrine - which most Catholics don't grasp - is that the Pope ONLY has a special permission to exercise the Authority on behalf of the Church. Since the Church is supposed to be Universal, the Pope thus can exercise Universal Authority. That said, the Papacy - although not the entire Roman Curia - now acknowledges that the authentic teaching of the Church was somewhat distorted by the incorporation of the Church into the Roman Empire. The manner of exercise of power became modelled on the manner of exercise of power in the Roman Empire, which, on hindsight was probably too worldly.
@@clementwee2511 Thanks dude! When I get some time to sit down and go over these I will. I love the chance to share, listen, and question my beliefs. My leading question right now, do you believe that denominational differences can be a determining factor in salvation? I ask because I’ve heard Baptists claim Catholics aren’t Christian and vice versa, but everything I know about God and His love for us tells me that true faith, meaning both faith and a change in the way you live your life will save. And yes I’ve already been Baptized, I feel that should be a given for my question. Like I said this is more about denominations being a determining factor
@@cayden3113 IMO, These are hangovers from the 16th and 17th centuries. That is, these are generational wounds. Though more of the social and emotional kind, than the spiritual kind. The first problem, actually, is the word "denominations". Catholics and Orthodox officially consider "denominations" as a Protestant thing. Orthodox have Local Churches and Catholics have Rites & Sui-Iuris churches. Do Catholics believe that doctrinal differences can matter in salvation? Yes, we do, if these are very severe doctrinal differences e.g. if you don't believe in Easter. That said, there is a mitigating factor called "Invincible Ignorance" which can be used as an "excuse". Catholics consider most Baptists Christian. The only reason that a Catholic would consider a Baptist a non-Christian is in the rare case a Baptist Church practices "spirit baptism" instead of water baptism. The Catholic Church's criterion for a baptized Christian is surprisingly simple: you are validly baptized as long as you were baptized in the name of the Holy Trinity with water. And even that rule is being loosened in practice in Latin America wrt Pentecostal Churches. That being said, as Catholics, we focus a little more on communion with Christ and the Church. In general, we still abide by the principle "extra ecclesiam nulla salus" although the exact understanding of that phrase has been contested since Vatican II.
A good building tip that might help is to create a foundation around your church. Like maybe place a few blocks of polished diorite (or any block really) into the ground around the structure to make it seem more concrete👍
Question, I always have for protestants is, the early “reformers“ believe in the one true apostolic, Catholic Church? to reform means, we already have the foundation, and it needs to be fixed, but what eventually happened wasn’t reformation at all it was revolution.
The intent was to reform the Catholic church to remove the abuses of indulgences and put the scriptures at the top of the authority pyramid, but Rome's response was to dig in their heels and become irreformable by deciding that all Popes' past and future ex cathedra statements are true and unchangeable. I wish this would have gone differently and the Catholic church could have just willingly reformed, even modestly. If I could believe in the Roman system, I would love to be able to be Catholic because it would be so simple. I just can't convince myself that a lot of the things the Roman church asserts are true. I just can't get on board with papal infallibility in light of some of their obviously spurious doctrines, such as being able to "merit" grace through good works, and Mary's bodily assumption.
No idea myself, but I have a question for you actually. If there was supposed to be a lineage of authority in order to have a "pure" church, then why is it that Jesus chose who he chose as apostles instead of choosing rabbis from the levitical lineage?
@@getsumeimarson2628 I would say because needing a Levitical priesthood would’ve been a part of the old covenant, and we are under a new and better covenant
We Reformed still believe in the "catholic" or universal church. We just reject the papacy. So the Reformers did reform part of the church. It was not a revolution. For example, we still hold to and recite the Apostle's and Nicene creeds and we still read the early church fathers.
2:50 True, as a Lutheran, justification by faith alone is important. Yet it can be good and bad because some think that you don't need to repent (these works are important for your own benefit but not a way to ascend into heaven).
it's more like having faith and not repenting are mutually exclusive events. the way i understand it is that if you have true faith then you will be transformed at least a bit by the holy spirit, which leads to you repenting and regretting your past sins.
@@acethemain7776no, if you have faith you are saved. Works do not prove you are saved, an athiest can have the works yet they aren't saved because of their belief. If you are doing works as a believer, are you doing works becasue you want to honor God or are you doing it because you need to work for salvation? So there is no need to check if you are "truly saved" only Calvinists do that and its not correct.
@@marshimeak1972James say that if a man says he has faith but has no good works then he can’t prove his faith is genuine. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit will lead to sanctification, though that varies greatly due to how much the believer cooperates with Him.
I’m new to being a Lutheran, so correct me if I am wrong, my church taught me that faith does produce good works. It’s like a tree producing good fruits. Good works alone doesn’t lead to salvation. But having faith that does produce good works can be a genuine relationship with Christ.
I think you can make an argument that historically Protestant countries have done better economically but when it comes to culture, the arts, and the like historically Catholic cultures take the cake and it isn’t really that close
@@eriknagy6569 Ok, a Protestant here, but also love history. I think it also stems from beliefs about beauty and suffering. Protestants often focus on results. Results really help with economics. Suffering produces art.
@jzwaard016 in terms of literature, if you limit it to English literature than yes. But expanding it to Spanish literature and French literature, it's not clear as you'd think.
As a protestant, I think we don't value suffering & process enough. We focus on results and optimization of processes. E.g. as a teenager, even the idea of marriage was this God-glorifying partnership of mutual benefit. (E.g. save the world together like a team in the battlefield for God). It wasn't all bad. But as a teen, when I read "Strangers and Sojourners" by Michael o'brien (catholic) it floored me with this portrayal of marriage as suffering...a cross in whose long lonely years drives one to God in the loneliness,, in the emptiness, and hearing His still small voice. There was a embracing of suffering, of the non optimal, of honoring the process, and in the end, beauty. It was very different than the protestant mentality of 12 week bookstudies to a happy healthy marriage. The suffering and honoring the process produces art. Prioritizing results, and optimization of life, produces results.
Ramon, you should pick up Calvin's ICR's (pretty much just book 1 and 2) and see what he think about Catholicism. If you're interested in Calvin, then the man himself is the best source! I believe there are free pdf versions online. God bless!
Such a great personal story and explanation. Thank you! I’m precisely what you described as Non denominational Protestant ☺️ My story briefly🥹in Dec of 2015 out of nowhere Jesus came into my heart and life. I turned 40 that month. I was baptized the following year in 2016 in Aug. I’ve been a born again believer on fire for the Lord ever since ❤️I’m 47 now. Prior to 2015 I’d been a 15 year practicing Buddhist new age yoga teacher into all the goddess woo woo you can imagine.🙄 I’d studied Hebrew in college and attempted to convert to Orthodox Judaism “because I loved the rituals” prior to being a Buddhist. All along the years, I’ve moved and traveled extensively - happily living across the US and now abroad for 8 years. I’ve lived mostly in the Middle East these years abroad and I can’t tell you how many believers I’ve met who were born into islamic traditions but met Jesus in their dreams! That’s how Jesus meets them in their dreams. Like Afghanistan Iran Iraq Kurdistan you name it, wherever it’s forbidden to believe in Jesus is where Jesus the Holy Spirit is on fire❤️ So, I have to say from my life in the Middle East~ being born again does and is the most logical to me and in millions of peoples lives. We in the west (I’m from Santa Monica California) take it all for granted to the point of being ridiculous! “We get are grande Starbucks at the drive through in our suv and head to church using our Bible app as we rock out to Christian pop music”. We have no idea or can fathom what a believer in the Middle East, China, N Korea etc. experience is like, where they could be persecuted, or is going through, since they can’t even have a Bible because they are forbidden. How could Eastern Orthodox be the one true - to the girl in Afghanistan? How could the Roman Catholic be the one true - to the boy and his parents in Iran? How could humans claim “their denomination” is anything more than their opinion- to the sisters in Iraq ? I ask you … Would God really set up the world so His children would know the Holy Spirit but be denied heaven because- they didn’t go to Orthodox Church? 🙄🫥😬😑 The Holy Spirit dwells in me and I want less of me each day and more of Him Yeshua Hamashiach Jesus Christ my Jewish Messiah ✝️🕎✝️ I share Shabbat dinner with my husband and any believer or non believer who wants to come on Fridays to break bread with us (he’s a born into Islam met Jesus in his dreams born again Protestant from Turkey). We break bread observing the weekly feast of Shabbat and rest as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ did with his disciples and I read the prayer in Hebrew and in English. We are not citizens of this place but our citizenship is in heaven with God. Perhaps one day we will be led by the Lord to “join a church denomination” but until then I will rejoice with Joy and worship my Savior. God bless you and I look forward to more videos. God bless from 2 born again believers with no denomination in the Middle East 🙏✝️✡️🕎☦️🙏
Yeah thats something that our trads believe, im catholic and am more than sure that God has his ways to save people even outside the church because he wants the best for us, but what the trads say is that is you can be catholic but you dont want to then you are condemn to hell which I find hard to agree since there is a lot of good people who directly or indirectly follow the teachings of Christ. But well we are not the ones who decide who goes to hell and who doesnt thats only for God to say
I'm in a nondenominational, and I'm going to see if I can get them to add more traditional stuff like songs and imagery (they are more traditional than other nondenominational churches, but still). Especially when they pay off the loan for the last building expansion and look into what's next. Maybe we'll get a proper sanctuary.
@@tmorganriley*shrugs*. Up until I moved to where I am now I was almost exclusively Presbyterian (apart from that period where we were inbetween churches due to PCUSA shenanigans). Experiences with other churches has been fairly limited.
First of all, I think this channel is amazing. As a recently converted zoomer, we had to fight against the same difficulties. Sometimes, feeling lonely and a bit crazy is easy because every cultural message says believing in Christ is an anachronism, an extremist ideology that made the worst crimes, etc. As a catholic, there are many things I would discuss but I think the most interesting one is the idea that only protestants can accept God's work in other Christian confessions. Saint Augustine said about that passage (Mark 37-41): " For what they ought to have forbidden was what was outside their fellowship, so that they might bring him over to the unity of the Church, and not a thing like this, in which he was at one with them, that is to say, so far as he commended the name of their Master and Lord in the casting out of devils." Saint Augustine of Hippo, De consensu evangelistarum book 4, chapter 5. If you have time to read, the whole chapter is very instructive. Also, it is notorious that Saint Augustine believed in the unity of the Church, and not the idea that there are many equally valid congregations. This doctrine was made official by the Catholic Church in 1713. The papal bull "Unigenitus" condemned the following preposition (among others): "29. Outside of the Church, no grace is granted". So, we can see this idea has deep roots and it isn't some recent theological innovation.
Concerning your first point with the church falling to sin: I mean Jesus literally said: "I will build my chuch and the gates of the hades will not prevail over it"
I think that point would kind of make more sense on a spiritual church level. Because the spiritual church would only be those who actually follow God. If someone doesn’t follow God, then they wouldn’t be a member. But an institutional church can have members on paper that might not follow God in their hearts. So it’s literally impossible for the gates of hades to prevail in the spiritual church, but it’s technically possible in a true institutional church. So if there's any hypocrisy among any popes in history, whether it’s a lot or a little doesn’t matter, it demonstrates that the gates of hades prevailed even a little bit. (Now if Jesus is talking about prevailing in the long term, then it’s safe to say we don’t know until we see the the time of the long term).
@@devinharvell7150 First the pope isn't the church. The church kept it's teachings regardless of the pope. Second this sounds like an atheist argument. Wouldn't it be possible for God to preserve an institutional church? Also in Acts the church always seems like an institution. There is a good video by vaticancatholic (eventhough he is a heretic) where he shows how Peter has the highest authority among the church and therefore the papacy is correct. Some points would be that the church parallels Israel, that Peter parallels David and/or his housekeeper, that there is a hierarchy, that the church talks about teachings on councils etc.
Thanks for respecting us Catholics. May I ask a question? Why do some branches of Christianity try to say Catholics are not Christian. This makes no sense to me.
Because Catholics believe that salvation is by works, not by faith; they worship Mary; and they hold various other heretical beliefs that go against everything the Bible teaches. Or, to put it another way, because a lot of Catholic beliefs are easily misinterpreted as something blatantly heretical and unchristian, and some Catholics and a lot of Protestants (including many ex-Catholics) do misinterpret them.
I'm just binging your videos because I'm bored and have COVID right now so my brain hurts. I've been watching (er- listening) for probably an hour and a half. I'd love to see a video on sabbatarianism, unitarianism, and even maybe on the Latter-Day Saints, because those can bring some very interesting conversations out. Love the videos!
The Greek word for the church is "ekklesia." The Septuagint also uses this term for the "assembly" of Israel. It's important for us to understand today that that is how first century Christians understood the church. This is what Catholics and a lot of high church Protestants miss about what the church is. They pay lip service to this idea but it doesn't really translate to anything meaningful. They want the church to be the Temple, the Levites, and the priests, rather than the assembly. They want the church to have the hierarchy of priests and clergy, rather than a congregation with Jesus as the high priest. Many Protestant groups have inherited this from their Catholic roots, because the fact is, the Reformation didn't address ecclesiology as much as doctrine.
As a Catholic i just want to clarify the topic of faith alone. We do believe that we are saved through faith and that God's grace is the only thing even giving us the chance of Heaven. But we find the use of the term "faith alone" can be misleading. The saving faith that we have in God also calls us to action, to bring others to Jesus and the Church The reason we say in the Nicene Creed that we are the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic church is that the word catholic means universal. We are the universal church, a church for all I also understand the idolatry part and the papacy (structure of the church under the pope) does have authority, I don't specifically know how much it does have, but I know Scripture is one of, if not our highest authority, it is what we base our decisions off of. The main issue Catholics have with protestantism is in the Eucharist/Communion, we believe in the real, physical presence of Jesus in the Eucharist and I know you touched on the miracles related to it. Communion is supposed to be more than just a symbol or remembrance of Jesus it is receiving him within us. We gather this from Scripture, (John 6 and the Last supper)
I love your content very informative! I was raised non denominational Protestant and switch to Catholicism as a young adult. You mentioned that since you are not bound by a one true church you can have a wider appreciation for Gods kingdom, I never looked at it that way, it is a very interesting perspective. However do you find any pros or the need in having a one true church especially in correlation to a religion surviving through the ages and standing the test of time?
I’m confused about all these types of Christianity. My English teacher last year made us take some stupid quiz to see how Protestant we were because we we’re learning about the witch burnings that barely even happened. I scored higher because I’m Christian and everyone else scored lower. 🤷🏾♀️
I'd be skeptical of the Orthodox Christians who say theres not salvation outside the Orthodox Church. I asked my Orthodox priest about this before and he said it's not our place to say whether non Orthodox Christians will be saved
I think you are mistaken to equate economic productivity with religious devotion. Sure, you could argue that Protestantism is more individualistic, so Protestant societies were more naturally predisposed to capitalism, but it is also capitalist countries that tend to most openly flaunt their immorality. So it’s a trade-off. Materially they are quite successful, but spiritually, they are dead. Conversely, in many countries that are poorer, the populations are typically very religious. All that to say, it’s a slippery slope to attribute economic success to social piety. You say yourself that the church is beset by progressive reformers who have no care for church teaching, but it is the liberal capitalist system which allows these people to thrive unopposed in the first place.
The thesis I suspect he alluded to, called the "Protestant work ethic" and introduced by sociologist Max Weber in 1905, has been extensively studied, with varying conclusions, in the century since. The wikipedia article on that subject would is a useful primer.
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I really like this channel. It’s fun and provides a lot of perspective on different denominations and your story on why you’re Presbyterian. A lot of people aren’t willing to put their religious views on display to many people, so good on ya for informing us on your views.
What it comes down to me is an issue of authority. Can anyone who happens to have a bible has the authority to decide what is true and what isn't? That is my greatest concern with sola scriptura. By who's understanding of the scriptures are we to go with, and where do we find the absolute, apostolic and doctrinal truth? I think the early Church herself, tells us where to find the absolute truth: "It is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church-those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the infallible charism of truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. But [it is also incumbent] to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismatics puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the truth". - Ireneaus of Lyons, Against Heresies, 4:26:2, 180 AD
You seem to be speaking as if the meaning of the scriptures were subjective, or determined by the reader. Like any text, the meaning of any scriptural passage comes from the intent of the author (in this case, both the human author and sovereign author God). And given the remarkable clarity and unity of the Bible, the intended meaning of most passages is not the nebulous, unknowable thing many claim it is, but rather something that can be gleaned quite easily by any honest and intelligent reading of the text. Most divisions on the "interpretation" of scripture either relate to the passages that are genuinely ambiguous or simply arise out of willful suppression of the truth. We will never fully know the scriptures, but God did not write them in a way that we need some higher authority to receive truth from them.
@@BenjaminAnderson21 This is the problem with the bible alone tradition. Even the reformers couldn't agree on scripture when the y used the very same bible. This tradition has lead to thousands of different churches claiming sola scriptura but teach differing doctrine. Inherently, by the very nature of "bible alone", the meaning of scripture is subjective and lacking in objective truth.
@@GR65330 We may not all agree on every minute detail of the scriptures, but God wrote them in a manner clear enough that the most important truths they contain, like the nature of the Trinity, the Lordship of Christ, the reality of his resurrection, and salvation by faith in Him alone, cannot be missed. The only "disagreements" or "differing interpretations" that arise surrounding the core doctrines taught by the Bible are those that arise out of willful suppression of its abundantly clear and obvious truth. Misunderstanding of the scriptures does not change their true meaning, and their true meaning is, in the majority of cases, plain and obvious enough that there is hardly any room for "interpretation" outside of exegetical gymnastics.
@@BenjaminAnderson21 I would challenge that as not all bible alone churches teach the Trinity. Nor do they agree on how we are saved; if we can lose our salvation; gay marriage; gay clergy; divorce and remarriage; etc. These are important points that our salvation depends. As I have said before that the Lutherans and Calvinists couldn't agree on how we are saved and they were at each other's throats for decades. So much for scripture alone as our final authority.
@@GR65330 The Bible makes it clear that nothing in all of creation can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus. It also plainly states that God has, in love, "predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will." We can not lose our salvation because, as the scriptures unambiguously declare, it is an eternal and unbreakable gift from God in Christ, not something we ourselves earn. This doctrine is one of the most explicit in all of scripture, and to deny it requires the suppression of the truth of its teaching and the active twisting of its clear meaning. Nearly all of the other issues you mentioned are easily resolved by the clear counsel of the Bible. Both Lutherans and Calvinists, for example, believe that salvation is in the work of Christ Jesus alone through faith in him, just as the scriptures plainly declare. The two groups may not agree on the exact mechanism that baptism serves in the process of justification and/or sanctification, but they do both agree on what is made impossible to miss in the text: that it is something that goes hand in hand with belief in Christ, and that baptizing those who are saved is something that was directly commanded by him. The trinity is, as well, a very clear doctrine taught by the Bible, and would require very willful ignorance to miss. Anyone who denies the trinity, and with it, the deity of Christ, cannot be saved, because salvation requires the confession that Jesus is Lord, not as a subordinate creature to God but as God the Son himself, equal to and one with the Father.
I want to say God bless you and thank you so much for your videos. Currently I’m a seminarian and I find your RU-vid videos very informative and helpful, especially since I have a personal concentration in Christian apologetics. I would like to request a RU-vid video. “Objective Beauty” I have to be honest, I’ve never heard of the concept until your video on why are you a protestant. I personally like the traditional look of churches with, stainglass windows and arches, etc, but I’ve been leaning towards the “community center” look for a church, but yet I almost feel like I’m not being true to how I was raised and to my personal preference of tradition, and yet I wonder if there is a possibly that there can be a middle ground for both traditional and contemporary, almost like how synagogues are set up. Nonetheless, if you can, please do a RU-vid video on objective beauty- maybe a dash of liturgy too 😬 this would be wonderful as I’m going to start my research on that concept.
My protestant church sanctuary community center/auditorium makes me feel starved. Staim glass windows make me think about the pictures on them in a church,, Jesus, Pentecost. It helps my adhd brain at least wander on holy things. My auditorium style church doesn't help me in this regard. It hurts there are no windows. Humans crave sacred ground and beauty, like the Temple in the Old Testament. We were created to crave beauty.
Even the old style Presbyterians churchs, like the one I was baptized, are beautiful, high cielings, tall clear windows, white walls. With that austere beauty of a cistercian monastery. Tall windows do make me feel like a small child, a sort of awe , like being a little person in a big world, before a big God. There's something to it being a sanctuary. When a disturbed teen needs somewhere to ro like "the horns of the altar" to cling to like Joab... Somewhere holy to pray and cry to God. There aren't any chapels in my utilitarian looking church.
As a fellow Protestant, I really enjoy your videos. 👍 Even though I'm not a Calvinist, I love your zeal for God's Word and theology, which is something I really appreciate, as I consider myself a Theology nerd (who loves studying the Bible, doctrines and church history) like you and many other Presbyterians are and that's something that should be found in more Christians nowadays. 14:03 - That's 1 Corinthians 12:3 actually.
15:21 I am an Ortodox myself and yes we do belive that our faith is the most traditional out of all of other Christian denomination since we conserve the old Christian traditions before the Great Schism unlike the Catholics that gave special powers to the pope and the filioque stuff and basically changed some aspects of old Christianity and also the protestants(correct me if I am wrong about this) changed verses in the bible But because we belive we are saved by faith that actually means that even protestants and catholics are saved because they belive in God as the Trinity(Father,Son and The Holy Spirit) Also the protestant world developed more than the Eastern Ortodox world because the ortodox countries were subjugated(except Russia but it was destroyed by comunism like any other Eastern Ortodox countries) by(Habsburg Empire, Russian Empire, Ottoman Empire and a little bit the Polish-Lituanian Commenwealth) P. S. Also we do belive that you don't need just faith, it isn't enough to just have faith, you also need to be a good person and try to avoid as much as posibile sins such as(blasphemy, lying, all LGBT stuff etc.) My opinion on protestants, to be honnest, it's just a failed attempt to overthrow the Catholics using the ideas of ortodox people in their advantage(also let's not forget that at first protestants were willing to Unite with The Ortodox Church because they both seeked one thing:PRESERVING THE OLD CHRISTIAN VALUES) IT's just my opinion, I didn't intend to change your mind about some aspects of protestantism, I just shared my thoughts on what you said Also sory for bad english
Thanks, I just have one question I'd like to ask, it's just that why are some people who are orthodox so adamant that their Denomination is right? I'm a Christian of one the off shoots of Protestantism but quite honestly I just wanna follow Christ, he's my reason for living, he's my savior and I'd truly would be lost without him. No hate btw, I'm just curious as I've never got to understand Orthodoxy that much really and the ones that I've seen are bit too firm that their Denomination is the correct one.
@@8kuji We do belive that our denomination is the right one(as I said) because we hadn't changed anything from old Christianity and The Bible But that doesn't mean that other denomination are wrong as long as they Have God as The Trinity(The Father, Holy Spirit and The Son) and didn't change anything from The Bible So my idea is that Christianity should Unite without division by denominations but the Ortodox views to remain since they remained the same. I don't think I actually answered your concernes and correct me if I am wrong!
@@unnume9691 oh yeah I know this is late, I read your reply when you first sent it and for some reason I'm able to come across it again. But, I forgot to mention, I appreciate the reply to my question. GOD Bless you.
@@friedchickenlover7291 Are you joking? Salvation by faith alone is, and never was, a Lutheran concept or a doctrine invented by him. It is straight out of the scriptures themselves, which clearly state that salvation requires only repentance and belief in Jesus Christ, which will lead to good works in his name.
The time where we set ourselves; the time for re-unification is now. We need to return to our roots. We can not tell ourselves based on trivial understanding.
You cant idolize the Bible, it even says to meditate on the word day and night. This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it; for then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have success. Joshua 1:8
I completely agree on beauty, we should have beautiful and impressive statements of our God to worship in. Graven images are different, I'm not for statues and pictures unless they include Jesus or are central to the gospel.
Bro, the pope doesn’t say all the time that they are infallible, only in special cases and for important but already accepted facts (for example the fact that Mary was born without original sin). We Belice e that salvation is by faith and deeds, a really cool concept because been if you’re an atheist but you’re a really good person (i’m of coirai not the judge but) he could go to Heaven. Also we know that we have problems, i just think that we can talk inside of the church not outside. About sin, we have the sacrament of confession, so we can “repair”our sins and try not to do them any more. Anyways happy holy Easter! If you want to talk more i would be delighted
I partially agree at around 4:20 about free will in salvation. Without God the Holy Spirit working in our life we wouldn’t even think about salvation. But with our free will we can consider to reject the Holy Spirit and blaspheme against Him which is what some pharisees did and some of the mixed congregation on the exodus
Am bahai, but I enjoy hearing different perspectives about various religions. Can I ask if you studied the bible? You seem to know a lot about Christian theology
Glad I found your channel. You give me new ideas to think about. I have a foot in Eastern Orthodoxy & a Bible believing non-denominational church with an incredible expositor pastor. I've "come thru" the Anglican, Catholic & Baptist churches. I need the history, tradition & worship of Orthodoxy but cling to the exposition of the Bible at the other church. A bit of a dilemma....
Orthodox Church has prima scriptura. The holy scriptures are very important and hold high precedent. The church administration is not allowed to create new traditions or edit the bible. I recommend to get in touch with your local Orthodox christian priest discuss to him about your questions about the church
You brought up free will, and I just wanted to clarify something that people such as myself believe about free will (not even saying that you’re saying this but this is something I’ve heard other people say). As a traditional Southern Baptist, we’ve had a non-Calvinist soteriology. And while we believe that we believe that we must make the free will decision to repent and believe in Christ, we don’t believe that inherently saves us, nor that either repentance or faith in and of themselves save us. They are the means through which we receive grace, but of course they do not save. We believe that God makes the first move by bringing us the Gospel and having sent Christ. So much as hearing God’s word and what He did is prevenient grace. Not only that, but God’s gracious promise to save those who repent and believe in Christ is what saves us, not faith or repentance themselves.
I really like reformed zoomer’s content; very good at presenting the formal logical elements of christology and specific churches. But this take is literally: Protestants defending their choice *20 minute video* Catholics defending their choice: It’s the church of my father.
Hello, I was looking at the comments and almost everyone seems to be either protestant or from another denomination of Christianity. I wanted to say that I watched it even though I'm a convinced atheist and I appreciated it :) (I wanted to hear to opinions that are distant from my own because I like being challenged by other points of view). It's interesting to see how others can follow the reverse path that you did! My family is calvinist while I live in a (formerly) mostly catholic nation of Europe, while I personally don't believe in God (for what I consider to be "logical reasoning", I'm sure you guys would disagree ofc 😄). There's a lot I was surprised to hear and I didn't agree with everything for obvious reasons, however I agree with the point about "Islam and their view on prisoners of war" as well as about "Protestant nations being the most successful". In fact, if I believed God's existence to be true, I'd probably be a protestant "again" (I never believed in god), regardless of my upbringing. I think protestantism is one of the branches/religions that treat people with other beliefs, including atheists, in the best way, and I would want a belief system to not think of others as necessarily wrong or to only view them as heretics. :)
Do you know what assemblies of God fits into. I go to a Lutheran school, and my mother is Catholic, and I'm kind of really confused about denominations right now ❤praying for understanding❤
I'm coming back, and listening to your videos, I started to agree with what I understood as a calvinist notion, that "we don't have free will", because the flesh fights the Spirit to have control over our actions, and we're always fulfilling the desires of one of the two no matter what we think. So if we walk in the Spirit, we don't fulfill the flesh's wishes.
Genesis 6:5 ESV - "The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.", Romans 3:10-12, 18 ESV - "as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one." ... "There is no fear of God before their eyes."", John 3:19-20 ESV - "And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.", etc.
depravity is biblical, inability (Not being able to respond positively to God) however, well... I haven't seen anyone able to support it biblically. (R. C. Sproul has said it is better described as total inability also, so I'm not pulling that out of no where.)
@@ninjakn3628 I did, but I don't see total depravity is not reflected in those verses. Depravity is, but not Total Depravity. Perhaps there are other verses though.
Any identification with any particular Christianity does more harm than good. It may be better to focus on building an intimate relationship with Christ to receive guidance of the Holy Spirit. Choosing which religion is right or wrong is literally idolatry of self- YOU know what's best, what's right, and what's wrong.
So I’m Protestant but I’m certainly not the most theologically sound… Protestant saints? I didn’t think us Protestants had saints, outside the historical ones that the Catholics, and orthodox observe
From your video it sounds like you want to be part of something solid. A tradition with a lot of history. History that holds up to scrutiny. It sounded like you made an association with protestant countries becoming more successful than other countries with different religious histories. I feel there is an association you make where Christian countries are more adaptable to societal changes because they are not as focused (or stuck) on the authority of church or concepts beyond God (to the extent of idolizing). Some questions I would ask, if that is ok, is first where and when you originally came to that conclusion? Were there numbers showing how protestant countries developed compared to non protestant countries? I would also be interested in how you defined success. With that I wonder how that association may change based on the country's official religious position (For example a country may have a rich religious history/culture but its government is secular). In other words how much has the separation of church and state impacted the development of countries? You sound like a thoughtful intelligent person who has reflected on this subject. I appreciate you sharing your perspective on this platform.
Look i am an Eastern orthodox Christian and i want to tell you why we are the one true church 1.When god gave the 10 orders to Moisis he told him to make 2 pictures of angels which catholics, protestants and other heresies think that its idolatry since they have statues but god told him to do that so that thought is wrong because we don't worship them as god we have huge respect for our saints since they lived according to god's will .2.God told Noe to build a "building" to be saved from the huge rain which was going to destroy people because of the huge sin of them and only the people and animals who entered there were saved and the other people were not that's actually a symbol of the church that only the people who are there are saved.3.We shouldn't forget that the Eastern Orthodox church is older than catholism, protestantism and oriental orthodox church which was convicted by the councils that saint fathers made and a lot later catholism and protestantism was created which were also convicted by the councils.4.Even if you take it geographically the Eastern Orthodox Church is closer to israel than catholism and protestantism.These are just a few reasons why there is only one true church and why Eastern Orthodox Church is the one true church there are more reasons why.These are just a few reasons from a common Eastern Orthodox Church Christian if you don't believe me ask god to show you the truth be careful however not to get tricked by satan but if you pray to god to show you the truth just ask it god loves his creatures and we have multiple examples of people who in the beginning were not with him but they changed their mind and follow him like apostle Paul so have faith in god ask it nicely and with love and god will help you.
Love the content my guy, but please, clean up your inventory lol. But seriously, I love to see someone getting the word out in a very real and convicting fashion.
I have a sincere question (in fact, I have two). I arrived by now at your channel and I saw in your RU-vid profile that you are "very ecumenical". Also, I saw the entire video (I wish we had more protestant theology channels that explain theology while playing Minecraft like yours. Cool!) and I got your thoughts about people from different denominations and sects that could considered be part of the spiritual body of Christ. Maybe would be useful to know that I am a Brazilian protestant baptist weakly convicted of Calvinism and not ecumenical. If I am correct, your main argument on this, taking by the video, is that there are miracles (that could not be done by the demons) that are done in those denominations and sects and this should be proof that the Holy Spirit is on those people. Am I correct? If yes, for my first question, let's consider Mathew 7.21-23 ESV: Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ People that are not sons of God can do some miraculous works by the devil's power. We see this in Exodus, in Acts and some interpretations about the Antichrist say that he will do some of this type of work. And, by what the Bible already says, you are correct: those works try to imitate God's, but can only reach a microscopic scale of it. But, what if people can be used by God for "prophesying in His name, casting out demons in His name, and doing many mighty works in His name" without being true sons of God? We see through the Scriptures some examples of people that were used by God without being sons of God, e. g. the people that preached Jesus because they envied Paul, Judas that was used for the salvation plan. Are miracles a good framework for saying that those people know God and are known by Him? I cannot ignore that maybe there is another main argument by you: these people would present the fruits of the Holy Spirit. I would like to understand more about this point of yours: why it seems that those people present it? By their works? I ask this because I have some doubts about this issue. If there are sons of God in Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church, for example (and I believe this can happen), and considering that those institutions have heresies in their core (I don't mean to be offensive to people from those religions. I know that we, protestants, in general, understand that there are heresies on their doctrines and vice-versa and I see it as something that makes sense), wouldn't those people be guided out by the Holy Spirit from those institutions? Could someone that is a son of God remain always in an institution that goes against God's will at its core?
Good points on beauty and tradition. Sola scriptura - under whose authority do we figure out which books are scripture and which are not? How did we get the Bible? Idolatry - so because maybe some members have poor catechesis that invalidates the whole… got it. Protestant countries are definitely objectively more successful; turns out that when the culture claims everything (including God) can be formed in your own image, individuals tend to go out and take instead of try to support the whole. The church is truly universal (small c “Catholic”) and yes the Holy Spirit can and does move even within pagan societies (that is definitely biblical) but that is hardly an argument against the possibility of a “one true church”. Sinners are everywhere and Saints are everywhere too, but there remains a possibility that Jesus founded only one movement of people and despite their being broken human beings His intent was that we keep together even if He knew we’d mess it up.
"Anything that's not God is possible to idolize" Jordan Peterson even manages to idolize God. The belief that He is a human construct, a distillation of human ideals with no independent existence who would blink into nothing if the last believer died, is making Him into an idol.
I really like this channel. What I don’t like is the author’s take on Orthodox Christianity. It’s true that it’s quite traditional and conservative but it isn’t like the church fathers would go out of their way to banish you or anathema you. They would get mad if you try to change the scripture and try to pull off the things that you guys protestants have been doing lately (not all of you). Most people I know are pretty open to new ideas. (Not too much). There are things about other denominations that I like and things I don’t. I don’t believe I sin because I don’t agree with everything the church says. There should be a room for critical thinking. I really believe that the Zoomer holds a grudge against Orthodox Christianity for some reason. Probably because it’s mostly Russia and Eastern Europe which is sceptical towards the west
I find it amusing that you say you want to feel part of an old tradition, yet you were born from catholic and jewish background, so 2000 and 3000 years old religions, and yet you chose a religion that is barely 500 years old. As for your praise of protestant societies, they were economically more performing for the last 200 years, and that came out of the fight between France and England, basically between the Seven Years War when France lost all her colonies to the victory of the Brits against Napoleon, thats where the world changed of dominant order and went from a catholic dominated world to a protestant one. But those protestant societies with their hunger for novelty and defying established norms (which is kinda core to the protestant faiths in the end) are also the ones that have spread all the post modernists monstruosities that are nowadays poisoning the whole West, thanks to the American cultural imperialism. Catholic societies are always more conservative than protestant ones.
You are completely wrong, Orthodox church believes there is salvation outside the church, you really need to look into Orthodoxy instead of misinterpreting the theology
Do you think Jesus would support the split from original church? Would he be happy to have so many competing communities from which maybe just the one is exactly right? (or all are wrong in some regards). It will never happen that all people agree on everything, but to not tolerate some minor things and do your own things instead smells like a bit of pride to me. I can't help myself to think that Jesus is more sad by the fact of his divided followers than by the fact that any church got something wrong. At least I'd be sad if my children would split like that.
Zoomer made a video about the History of the Church where he strongly criticized the amount of splits in the Church. But keep in mind that this was never the porpose of Luther but the Catholic Church kicked him out and It refused to review their mistakes, which they still do 500 years later lol. For everything there is a limit.
@@pedroguimaraes6094 Are you familiar with the Council of Trent? Not only did the Church review and correct the abuses Mr. Luther rightly opposed, but it also reaffirmed the unchanging teachings that have been handed through the centuries, teachings which are unfortunately rejected by so many who have severed themselves from the Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth.
@@videomediaarchive This is a never ending discussion and it will not be solver here o RU-vid. Howerver, i should say that i don't agree at all with the supposed "unchanging teachings that were reaffirmed". The Catholic Church does not hold the same views that were advocate by a lot of the Church Fathers as for example the authority of the Scriptures over the autority of the Chruch (by Cyril of Jerusalem) and specially the doctrine of grace (by Augustine of Hippo). If "unchanging teachings" you are talking about what SOME of the Church Fathers said (i.e Ignatius of Antioch) and a lot of things that became part of the tradition with medieval scholasticism, so you are right lol. What reformers as Luther and Calvin did was to resume aspects of the Augustinian theology that were left aside by the Catholic Church and to systematize a theology based on the scriptures.
God bless you. I like some of the information you share, think it's very helpful to a lot of people. and it's nice for you to enjoy your Minecraft game but I have to say that I don't share that enjoyment. God made things with organic shapes and curves and real leaves. Everything is not a block 😂
One of the reasons I cannot be Protestant is the philosophical inconsistency of sola scriptura. You said in the video that both scripture and Church have authority, but that scripture is superior. The problem with this is that if the tradition or church has an interpretation of scripture that happens to disagree with yours, then you could just easily write off the church as not “conforming to scripture”. Without a living authority to interpret scripture and create a clear distinction between Christian and non-Christian, how are we to distinguish between true biblical teaching and what I simply interpret that teaching to be?
I do think that the people in the Catholic Church were unwilling to fix the problems, not the Catholic Church itself. There is a difference. As a Catholic, I believe that the Church and the Pope (on theological and moral teachings) is infallible, but the people within the Church are flawed.
I was on Orthodoxy’s door this week, breaking down crying out of fear if I DIDNT convert, that I would be damned. I found myself twisting things I have long believed to force myself to fit the Orthodox theology. I screamed out to God to show me the truth, if it’s the Orthodox, show me, if it isn’t, Show me… I even got to the point where I told myself I would throw out everything the Bible has ever said, for what Jesus Christ himself said. After doing that, a massive wave of relief rushed over me, and I came to the conclusion that I simply could not convert to the Orthodox Church. At least not right now. The ideas of Theosis, rejecting the idea of penal substitution, the idea that there can be no salvation outside of an institution. None of these things wind up with the words of Christ himself. I haven’t closed my heart off to the Orthodoxy, but I don’t know if I’ll be able to overcome those hurdles without some serious convincing
As an Orthodox Christian, I’ll say this, followed and research the Early Church Fathers, talk to your priest what’s your situation, I recommend you to follow a channel called: Kyle Orthodox, Jay Dyer, David Erhan, Orthodox Christian Theology. They have a lot of topics that your searching the answers. I don’t recommend to follow Protestantism (tradition of men) and avoid the Sola Gracie, Sola Fide, Sola Agustine and Sola Scriptura. Those aren’t the Early Church teachings and not taught by the Church Fathers. Keep attending the Divine Liturgy, read some Patristics books, read The Bible (Orthodox Study Bible), talk to your priest and watch the channel I recommend. God bless you ☦️🙏🏻 from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
On idolization, we Catholics idolize the divinely instituted part of the Church, and abide by the just authority instituted by God, both in the Church hierarchy and in state power, just in the sense St. Thomas Aquinas defined. To idolize divinity, is good because all things divine belong to God, its good to idolize the Bible because the Bible is the literal word of God, it is good to idolize the Church as the divinely instituted authority of God. You would be idolizing God and His divinity. On reforming, it's impossible for protestants to accurately reform "the church" using scripture for two reasons; they don't have a Church with any sort of authority, and they don't have a dogmatic understanding of the Bible. The latter of which is most important, and is the reason protestants have snowballed into over 20,000 sects. On your cultural points and beliefs on nations, this aspect is completely subjective and not really worth arguing, since it's just an opinion.
I think it's important I mention, that jews also tend to be misguided no matter where they go, and misinterpret things based apon their spiritual disease, their curse from killing Christ.
The Old and New Testaments of the Bible were written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and thus are God's word. We know this is true of the Old Testament because, in addition to Jesus explicitly saying so for the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the prophets, the old testament prophets performed signs and miracles as a testament that they were speaking God's word. Ester and maybe Ecclesiastes are probably the only books that might be contested, but that's not really plausible given the history and acceptance they have in Jewish, now Christian, scripture. The New Testament is composed of books written by the apostles who were taught by Jesus during His earthly ministry, commanded to go out into all nations spreading the gospel, and were filled with the Holy Spirit at Pentecost for this very purpose. Not every book was written by an apostle. Mark, Luke, and James the brother of Jesus were either compiling witness accounts or had been with Jesus and approved by the apostles in their writing as part of their ministry. Paul was called by Jesus on the road to Damascus and sent out as an apostle to the gentiles. Inspiration is generally associated with this authority of being sent by Jesus. The big thing here is having the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and authority of being sent by Jesus or, to a lesser degree, the witness accounts and direction of the apostles. This is a big topic and there's a lot more reasoning behind it, but the early church had to put together the canon of scripture because false teachers and works of fiction started popping up. I guess to your point, it's not that the church today ought to be able to not err. It's that because Jesus was the final revelation of God's word there will never be any new revelation. The church does make mistakes, but it is subordinate to the word of God and can be corrected when it does.