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Kirst Konverter .22 conversion cylinder in a Pietta 1851 

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Trying out the Kirst Konverters .22 cylinder kit in a brass frame Pietta 1851 Navy revolver.
This is a well - made kit that is a lot of fun to use that adds a little flexibility to your percussion revolver.
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@seanp407
@seanp407 Год назад
this was a great show and tell! My first ever gun purchased was a Brass framed 51’ Colt Navy with a 4.8 inch barrel made by Pietta. Starting out my shooting hobby with black powder Colt reproductions was one of my better decisions Ive made when starting out in a new hobby. It gave me a great appreciation for what guns are and how far they have come. Seeing how some of these early revolvers operate and learning the history behind them gave me the kind of perception I think all beginner shooters should cultivate when starting out. Something else I believe I may be somewhat unique in, regarding black powder hobby is from a survivalist point of view. I can make my own ammo, powder, and primer ignition source. In an apocalyptic scenario; soon enough; ammo will be scarce and eventually such a rarity an individual man trying to keep his family and himself safe from danger and fed will not be able to rely on modern weapons unless hand loading was your thing prior, but even then, its not as simple as being self reliant and self sufficient than you would be entrusting your livelihood on the good old tried and true muzzle loading black powder guns. These fine weapons give me a sense of safety far past simple shootouts with potential post apocalyptic bandit theives.. They can and will supply meat from a hunt day after day if you take the hobby seriously and learned all you can, while you can. Something this fun that can hold such a serious and important role in a man’s arsenal to protect those who rely on him is a blessing I will never take for granted. I love and respect these old guns. God Bless and stay safe 👍🏻
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
Thank you, and thank you for your insight. These firearms often get overlooked in the search for the next plastic frame 9mm wonder pistol. Yes, these may be slow to load and only have six shots on board, but they can get the job done. Everyone should have at least one in their collection, for many of the reasons you stated, and also - they are just so fun to shoot! I get more enjoyment firing a handful of rounds out of these than I do shooting a few hundred out of some generic 9mm pistol. Some people just don't know what they are missing out on.
@willyjilly9684
@willyjilly9684 Год назад
I was very interested in this and almost bought one. The only downside is the price. Thank you for posting this it's incredibly helpful 👍
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
My pleasure!
@bandccoresohio
@bandccoresohio Год назад
Yes any of those conversionz are ridiculously priced in my opinion...
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
@@bandccoresohio They are expensive. But, they are made by small, American manufacturers, and I certainly don't think that they are getting rich off of these things - I doubt they make very much profit from selling them. Anyway, there is barely a handful of manufacturers that make conversion cylinders, so if you want one, you'll have to pay the price.
@AldoSchmedack
@AldoSchmedack Год назад
It's well worth it. Very good machining!
@AldoSchmedack
@AldoSchmedack Год назад
​@@bandccoresohio Hard to do good timing and making of cylinders, hence the cost.
@bmrlgs
@bmrlgs 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for sharing this video! Since it's a two hour roundtrip to the closest range that allows BP shooting and I am a member of my local indoor range, I had decided to buy a Kirst 22 conversion cylinder for my Uberti 1851 Navy Colt knowing that the cylinder might need some sanding to properly fit. The sanding, if needed, was no big deal but the need to cut a loading port for the 22 cartridges was another matter so I was pleasantly surprised that 22 short cartridges could be loaded through the original cap access for the Pietta 1851 shown in the video. After checking with Mr. Walt Kirst of Kirst Konverter to make sure that I was installing his cylinder correctly, I was able to attach the cylinder to my 1851 Navy without any sanding or other adjustments. It couldn't have been simpler. I'm sure that if I had a problem, Mr. Kirst would have helped me through. He is a class act, returning my call the next day and being very patient with my questions. I took my revolver with the Kirst cylinder to my indoor range today. Before I could even load it, a Range Safety Officer, rushes over and asks me if I have a cap and ball handgun. I say that it is but today I'm shooting 22 shorts with a conversion cylinder. So his alarm changes to interest and I and my converted Navy become the center of attention. Fortunately the revolver handled flawlessly. There was virtually no recoil, the action was smooth, and the trigger pull was light and crisp. Also my accuracy was comparable to what I achieve when shooting my Ruger Mark IV 22lr Target Pistol.
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r 10 месяцев назад
Great story! That is one of the really nice things about these conversion cylinders - they just add so much versatility to your revolver! I only wish that .22 Short was a little more available and less expensive. It's a great little cartridge, but it doesn't seem to be as common as it once was.
@bmrlgs
@bmrlgs 10 месяцев назад
Yes, I was able to purchase CCI hollow point .22 shorts at Bass Pro but I had to special order at $13 per 100.
@blackpowderfirearmenthusia3194
I really like this conversion cylinder kit. Thank you for sharing.
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
Thanks for watching! It's a very well made device - unfortunately with a price tag to match!
@Ryan_Wiseman
@Ryan_Wiseman Год назад
I was just about to sell my brass frame 1851 44 to my friend (and then do the full conversion on a steel frame) and now, I feel no longer the need to do that. Krist is doing something different with rimfire compared to their other converters, and I like it
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
Kirst does a really good job with these - they are very well made and, as you noted, quite unique. There may be another video in the pipeline featuring a similar Kirst conversion cylinder, so stay tuned!
@JamesBritemusic
@JamesBritemusic Год назад
I definitely like this idea, I have a .22 rifle and I bought .44 1851 navy revolver from pietta. I however found that it was impossible to find caps for my revolver. I am definitely concerning this route and I can still put my regular blackpowder cylinder back on my revolver if I do find caps. I can also save money on ammo by buying only .22. Thanks for this video I appreciate the quality review.
@codyosborn8302
@codyosborn8302 2 месяца назад
The company anticipates you to cut a loading grove in the frame for 22lr. But I guess 22 short is a good save for not having/wanting to do that step. Just like when sighting my 1851 in. I made the sighting groove on the hammer wider with a triangle file. And you can use it to get closer to point of aim to a limited result. Not something a lot of people would do themselves but if your into black powder your kinda your own gunsmith to a point on them to keep them affordable.
@RCXBuildsIt
@RCXBuildsIt Год назад
I picked one of these kits up a few months ago. I appreciate 03:32 going over the loading procedure. *Thanks!*
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
You're welcome, and thanks for watching!
@robertrobert7924
@robertrobert7924 Год назад
The barrel is too short, too inaccurate, and too expensive. But thank you for showing us this video. It is always good to see how new ideas work, or not work. I bought a Ruger Bearcat 50+ years ago because it reminded me of a Colt .31 percussion revolver. I have not taken it to the range for decades. This video has prompted me to take it out of moth balls and shoot it at the range when the weather permits, along with my High Standard semi-auto pistol which is a tack driver.
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
I'd like to get a Bearcat one of these days, but they don't come up for sale very often in my neck of the woods! I've got a couple of the Wranglers, which are OK, but they are no Bearcat! I might be able to get better accuracy out of this thing if I play around with different types of ammo, but no - it will never be a target gun. I think the best I will get out of it is it being a tin can plinker. And yes, it is expensive. But it is a very well made system manufactured by a very small business, so that has to certainly factor into the price. All in all, I still like it, and I am very happy with it and I hope to get a lot of use out of it.
@Codevil.
@Codevil. Месяц назад
I respectfully beg to differ sir
@lolk4530
@lolk4530 Год назад
If they weren't so expensive I'd probably buy one in a heartbeat.
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
Yeah, they are expensive. Kirst has been having sales on them here and there, but even with the sale price they are not cheap! They're very well made, though, and should last a lifetime.
@ognaysayer
@ognaysayer Год назад
This is awesome. I don’t need another .22 but if I was looking for one I think this is the route I would take. I would have to cut the frame to accept Long Rifle though.
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
On some revolvers there may be enough room for a .22 lr to fit. I tried to see if it would work on a couple of newer Piettas and an Uberti and I couldn't get it to work with any of them.
@ommsterlitz1805
@ommsterlitz1805 Год назад
He said he is shooting CCI 22long rifle at the beginning you don't need to cut the frame
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
@@ommsterlitz1805 I guess I should have made that a little clearer in the video. I was using .22 long rifle in the beginning, but to load them I had to remove the cylinder from the frame, load it, and then reinstall it. With the revolver I was using here I could not load .22 lr with the cylinder installed. Maybe on a different revolver it would work, but on this one it would not.
@ommsterlitz1805
@ommsterlitz1805 Год назад
@@johnzx6r Oh ok thanks for the reply, anyway it's a very nice conversion kit I wish it was shippable to Europe but it probably isn't if i'm not some kind of an armorer as the EU wants to disarm us all...
@davidkellogg2582
@davidkellogg2582 Год назад
I am not surprised at the accuracy. Shooting a 22 down a 44 barrel.
@nayar-renard
@nayar-renard Год назад
no theres a tiny 22 barrel you insert inside the 44 barrel comes whith the forcing cone and all that
@dorisjohnson8857
@dorisjohnson8857 Год назад
That looks like fun I agree with trying the 7 1/2" barrel The longer sight radius might improve accuracy and repositioned front sight might better center the groups.🤞 Thanks for sharing Doris J
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
In hindsight, I should have brought the 7 1/2" barrel with me to the range and put a few rounds through it. Oh well - maybe the next video!
@dorisjohnson8857
@dorisjohnson8857 Год назад
@@johnzx6r That would be great info
@SoLoCruizer
@SoLoCruizer Год назад
Cheap clean shooting in class my dude💯✨✨✨✨✨✨
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
😀
@DBCoop-bz4sl
@DBCoop-bz4sl Год назад
I ended up buying one for the same exact gun. I've noticed you actually can safely load 6 rounds by having the loading port at 12oclock and resting the hammer on it.
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
Hadn't thought about that, but it certainly would work.
@B.Moore-Ready
@B.Moore-Ready Год назад
Long range it's hard to get good groups but still fun to shoot! 😚👌
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
I think with different ammo I might be able to close the group up a bit, but as long as I can get tin can sized groups with this I'll be happy.
@Matzah1982
@Matzah1982 Год назад
Not a bad little pea shooter plinker especially with the shorts. Probably with the shorts it’s about 40 or 50 foot pounds of energy you’re getting at the muzzle which is similar to what a baby colt 1849 .31 caliber revolver is putting out with a 50 grain round ball and a 15 grain load of 3f black powder but this method is much cleaner and without cap jams and cap swallowing
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
Yeah, I think I'm going to like this thing. I'm going to try out a bunch of different brands and styles of .22's - see what it likes best. I like shooting the shorts, I just wish they weren't so much more expensive than the long rifle.
@robfahnestock6930
@robfahnestock6930 Год назад
Thank you for posting this conversion cylinder. Enjoyed your style of review. Where were you able to purchase it from?
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
I got it directly from Kirst Konverters. They had a few in stock, last time I checked.
@billberry3699
@billberry3699 Год назад
Great video, i got one for a 1860 snub nose
@eagleviewhd
@eagleviewhd Год назад
If I wanted a .22 rimfire revolver, I would buy a Heritage Arms Rough Rider. I do not see any reason to convert a black powder revolver to .22! The Heritage Rough Rider is much less than the conversion kit!
@Codevil.
@Codevil. 7 месяцев назад
Thanks bud
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r 7 месяцев назад
😁
@aurteekay6339
@aurteekay6339 5 месяцев назад
Was it hard to get the cylinder in? Did you have to do any additional fitting or filing on the cylinder or gun? Or did it just drop in? Very interested in this. I’ve got some of these revolvers and been looking for something a bit more quiet to shoot. If it’s not too much work to get in the cylinder this would be awesome
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r 4 месяца назад
The cylinder dropped into this revolver perfectly, with no fitting necessary, and the timing seems to be perfect as well. Not sure how well it will work in other revolvers, but if mine is any indication, I think if you have a recently made Pietta this cylinder should work just fine in it.
@aurteekay6339
@aurteekay6339 3 месяца назад
@@johnzx6rawesome thanks that’s how I saw it advertised on the website as a drop in easy to set up conversion but they never specifically said it wasn’t previously fitted or worked on and u gotta be careful. Can’t believe how exspensive these are… almost 400$ to shoot smaller bullets. I got my .45 colt conversion for 250!! I guess it is more metal and parts though than just cylinder and cap
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r 3 месяца назад
@@aurteekay6339 Yeah, it is kind of expensive, but it is a very well made system and made out of quality materials, so I think you are getting what you pay for.
@marcoaurelio296
@marcoaurelio296 Год назад
I don't know if you are a wonderful shooter but, if you want to test the accuracy of this conversion you should shoot from sandbags, not with a bare one hand. I missed some view of the function of the conversion. How to install for example... But, good video anyway. At least we now know that this conversion exists.
@kirkstinson7316
@kirkstinson7316 11 месяцев назад
Gor the price of the converter you van just buy a used .22 revolver. I question what using this longer term will fo to the barrel. The converter barrel is not full length so youll get a muzzle blast (small one from .22) ring in your barrel. Will this, over time, cause an area of wear in my barrel? I know it would take a lot of use but right now caps are a pain to find so.........
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r 11 месяцев назад
The cylinders aren't cheap, but very well made and I like the uniqueness of them. I really don't think using these will damage a barrel over time. We'll see if any problems show up, though.
@samwilliams1142
@samwilliams1142 Год назад
Lighter bullets tend to impact low on a target. Even 44 magnum 180s impact lower than 240s.
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
I'm going to try a bunch of different ammo through it when I can get more time and see if I can get it to shoot to where I'm happy with it.
@samwilliams1142
@samwilliams1142 Год назад
22LR is always going to be lighter than 36 or 44 projectiles.
@RickySlatton
@RickySlatton Год назад
Thanks for the video. Does anyone else make these conversion cylinder kits for 1851 brass frames?
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
In .22? no one else at this time that I am aware of.
@bandccoresohio
@bandccoresohio Год назад
I unfortunately have brass frame on both my cap and ball classics lol I may order a new frame tho just so I can convert to .45 Long Colt
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
@@bandccoresohio Yeah, brass won't hold up too well with .45 Colt!
@JamesEast-iy3ov
@JamesEast-iy3ov 7 месяцев назад
​@johnzx6r I already commented earlier. What is the problem loading one with 45LC using 30 grains of BP with a round ball?
@malcolmrivera3366
@malcolmrivera3366 8 месяцев назад
I have the 1851 yank snub nose case hardened all black, the avenging angel, but where did you find it in brass frame?? Can you please send me link to store or tell me where to look for brass frame of the 1851 yank snub cant find it anywhere
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r 8 месяцев назад
I didn't buy it like that - I had to make it. I had a full-length brass frame revolver and just bought the snub barrel for it. All the parts on recent production Piettas are mostly interchangeable. The barrel can be bought from Taylors Firearms, but it looks like they are out of stock on them right now.
@robfahnestock6930
@robfahnestock6930 Год назад
Will you update on the accuracy using the 7"barrel?
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
I will!
@louislarose6613
@louislarose6613 Год назад
Interesting gadget ! I wonder if the conversion barrel is spinning as the bullet passes through it? It seems to me ,that if the barrel is not secured, the the torque of the bullet engaging the rifling will cause the barrel to spin , hence no spin on the bullet.
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
I didn't point it out on the video, but the flange on the barrel has a little semi-circular cut out in it that rests against the cylinder arbor, preventing the barrel from turning.
@louislarose6613
@louislarose6613 Год назад
@@johnzx6r Ah -i wondered about that . good to know . Thanks .
@jimh6763
@jimh6763 Год назад
That's interesting. I wondered how the barrel was secured and if it could has been rotated to different positions,to move the bullet point of impact. It doesn't sound like you can change that, the way it installs. Would have been interesting to see how it goes together.
@whiskerfishermantv
@whiskerfishermantv 9 месяцев назад
I made that same gun.
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r 9 месяцев назад
Great minds think alike!
@samwilliams1142
@samwilliams1142 Год назад
Rotating the barrel insert might move groups to the center depending on the insert.
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
Unfortunately, the barrel insert can only be oriented one way - there is a cutout on the insert flange that indexes on the arbor on the frame of the revolver to prevent the insert from rotating.
@samwilliams1142
@samwilliams1142 Год назад
@@johnzx6r check the front of insert for square, out of the gun. If it isn't square it can throw off point of aim.
@jreda2000
@jreda2000 Год назад
Thank you for showing this, it's pretty neat. Has anevery told you that you look like Dwight Schrute from the Office?
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
No one has ever told me that before!
@jreda2000
@jreda2000 Год назад
@@johnzx6r I think it was the serious face with the paused look you gave.
@JamesEast-iy3ov
@JamesEast-iy3ov 7 месяцев назад
If you're loading your brass frame 44 with 45LC and 30 grains of BP and a round ball what can really happen? It's the same load the original shot.
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r 7 месяцев назад
Sort of. 30 grains is doable, but it is a pretty stout load for a brass revolver. I usually keep the brass revolvers to about 25 grains or so. Also, .45LC uses a bullet that is nearly twice as heavy as a .44 round ball. The original black powder .45LC load packs a pretty good wallop. If you were going to use a cartridge conversion in a brass frame revolver, I would use a load using black powder, but keep in mind the .45LC with BP was (and still is) a pretty substantial load.
@JamesEast-iy3ov
@JamesEast-iy3ov 7 месяцев назад
@johnzx6r no doubt that it's a powerful load. I load my 45LC brass with round balls. 30 grains of BP and I load it that way when shooting a regular load without the conversion. So far so good. It's not really brass, it's number 6 gun metal. It's a bit harder that brass like most replicas.
@nickcanova1003
@nickcanova1003 Год назад
Curious if this can be modified to use 22wmr in place of .22lr so it would be more than just a plinker if need be ?
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
I really don't know. I guess just about anything is possible, if you throw enough money at it!
@BobBobbert-x1y
@BobBobbert-x1y Год назад
Will it fit 22 nailgun cartediges? Theyre cheaprr and i get 2000-2400fps with a 40grain 22 slug as the projectile so its like 22magnum more than 22lr and for alot cheaper
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
I haven't tried it, but I suppose it would work.
@zapp2009
@zapp2009 5 месяцев назад
If you would of left the long barrel on it would hit alot closer
@allisadavis87
@allisadavis87 4 месяца назад
Line that barrel and make it a 5.7 or 22wmr
@christiandunbar532
@christiandunbar532 2 месяца назад
Is it possible to add double action
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Месяц назад
Just about anything is possible if you are willing to throw enough time, effort and money into it, but converting one of these to double action would not be an easy task!
@dougfries7759
@dougfries7759 Год назад
I have a 1851 navy colt made in the 80,s will the kit work on one that old.
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
Best answer I can give you is "maybe". Kirst states that these should work in Pietta, Uberti or Armi San Marco revolvers, but may need some slight modification. If yours is something other than those it may still work, but it is probably best to get in contact with Kirst and let them know what you have and see if they can give you any guidance.
@dougfries7759
@dougfries7759 Год назад
Thanks
@sltorres101
@sltorres101 11 месяцев назад
where did you get the short barrel?
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r 11 месяцев назад
I bought it from Taylor's and Co.
@hanke2456
@hanke2456 11 месяцев назад
Can use 22magnum rounds out this conversion cylinder?
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r 11 месяцев назад
No - unfortunately the .22 Magnum isn't compatible with the .22 Long Rifle camber. I don't think this cylinder could be reamed out to take a .22 Magnum either. I think this cylinder might be too short for that to work.
@hanke2456
@hanke2456 11 месяцев назад
@johnzx6r Thanks for the video. God Bless You And Family
@fordfan3179
@fordfan3179 Год назад
.22 is more of a "fun" sub caliber
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
Yeah, I wouldn't rely on it for serious social purposes, but it comes in handy for killing tin cans.
@Letyourcolorsblendwithmine
@Letyourcolorsblendwithmine Год назад
It's really hard to justify a conversion that costs more than 3x what a new Heritage will run you, and they come with an ejector rod.
@johntenga6087
@johntenga6087 7 месяцев назад
That shit is Kirst
@josesantos-kd3vk
@josesantos-kd3vk 8 месяцев назад
Do they make that in 22 magnum
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r 8 месяцев назад
Unfortunately, they do not.
@mikemike8087
@mikemike8087 7 месяцев назад
It would be nice if you leave a price
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r 7 месяцев назад
Well, that video was made more than a year ago, and prices fluctuate. I don't remember what I paid for it then, but right now they are about $400
@matthewmorris2342
@matthewmorris2342 Год назад
Where do you buy this at and how much
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
I bought mine directly from kirstkonverter. They are not cheap. It looks like they are going for over $400 right now.
@egomaniac8510
@egomaniac8510 Год назад
Run subsonic ammo.
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
I may pick some up and try it through this.
@MisterMemeDude
@MisterMemeDude Год назад
77th comment
@troppzi3783
@troppzi3783 Год назад
very nice
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
Thank you!
@drmachinewerke1
@drmachinewerke1 Год назад
Needs to be 22 mag
@johnzx6r
@johnzx6r Год назад
Now that would be pretty interesting!
@drmachinewerke1
@drmachinewerke1 5 месяцев назад
@@johnzx6rI just gotten a 32 S&W cylinder for my 49. So while checking it out I grabbed a 32 Long Colt. Along with a 44 cylinder and thinking why not.
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