Kit-Siderations: Dump Pouches 

I literally just did the same thing‼️💯🤣🤣🤣

Even on the range if I'm dropping empty mags I tend to just leave them on the ground until drills are done. Then I just carry them back to the loading table (or my tailgate); if I want/ need to pick them up I stick them in my pockets. Range gear is either down by the target or back at the loading area, wherever it makes sense and is conveniently staged.

Backpacks. Carry a backpack, homie.

i should point our jumpsuits have no cargo pockets for some stupid reason. and the aforementioned uses are primarily for range/training convenience since my duty loadout is 1 rifle and 2 pistol mags. its a nightmare trying to keep up on the firing line with that.

FlatlineFiberco has a dump pouch that mounts behind your other pouches, so it takes no real estate on your belt and dangles under.

@mahbuddykeith1124 its hands down the best best dump on the market.

@@adamdyment9732 Yeah, used to run a Maxpedition before. It was solid, but bulky. This one is miles ahead.

I only use them at christmas time instead of stockings

I cover the feed lip type dump pouch, and though they do keep those items more secure they become less accessible and more difficult to place inside. Then you're still left with whatever items rattling around in the pouch. If someone only uses their dump pouch for empty magazines then the accessibility piece is almost moot however, some folks are trying to run half their fighting load in the dumper. In a gunfight, no you cannot guarantee nor reasonably expect to come back and pick up mags. This is why folks need to train smart, conducting their magazine exchanges or, "tactical reloads" so that they aren't running mags dry and reloading on the bad guy's time. With rare exception no one should be just yeeting mags to the ground on reloads, and all should be actively avoiding lock-back. Magazines should be indexed back to the pouches designed for them on your kit. I've covered these techniques over on Instagram, though suffice to say that if you cannot securely stow your PMAG upside down, you can place them in backwards. As far as folks being in condition black, that's a failure in training. That has absolutely nothing to do with dump pouches, and everything to do with leadership. Cargo pockets are quite effective at retaining empty mags. Whether you choose cargo or dump, both are temporary storage until you reach your consolidation point. At that time those mags get indexed back into your kit or assault load.

Utility pouches are great, especially ones like Crye or Spiritus with the loop paneling inside to be customized with inserts. And then you can swap them out to meet various mission tasks. Very cool.

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They're niche enough that if a person needs them, they can buy the right one for their needs.

That is a fallacious argument, to imply that those in the military aren’t retaining their equipment and simply being gifted new things over and over again. At no point is it encouraged to not retain magazines and equipment. What is encouraged is doing so properly, and thus negating the dump pouch. The very notion that a dump pouch somehow constitutes your logistical system is a dangerous level of cognitive dissonance.

This falls into having a legitimate tactical need. A leash I wouldn't mind in my cargo pocket, as I've had 30' of tubular nylon stowed there for climbing applications. I agree though, that a muzzle has no real good pouch option beyond a zippered GP pouch that will be just as big as the dump. Granted a GP pouch will provide greater utility in the long run, I can understand your want for the dump pouch.

If you're referring to some generic administrative tasks that you repurposed the dumper for, sure. The comments I've received about using it for vegetation were from folks who understand less than they realize. Like it says in the video, if you need to veg up, you do that close to the area you will be stalking through. You don't collect veg to save for later.

What I have recommended to medics is to have a dump pouch on their med bag, or belt if really necessary to stuff their own trash. You can also stuff trash in the patient's cargo pockets or inside their shirt (assuming no torso wounds). When it comes to searching EPW/ detainee/ PUC you should have dedicated bags for that. As simple as a gallon zip loc or sandbag with a 550 necklace to hang on them, this way items taken from an individual don't get mixed up with another. These things seem small and inconsequential, but they matter in the realm of gathering information that can be processed into actionable intelligence. and again: cargo pockets.

@@Blakewater0326 the ziplocks bag came later on for us(supply dropped the ball on that), in the beginning we just had to use dump pouches. I was just listing the only times I’ve ever used a dump pouch. Just those two times. It was a pretty unnecessary piece of kit for the most part. We used cargo pockets too but usually they were stuffed with different other things like energy snacks or rip its depending on what we are doing at the moment.

@@ShepherdOfTheSilkies I always keep my left cargo free and clear for those quick ditch items, like a beanie on rest or something of that nature. I definitely didn't ever carry rip its, I know they were very popular with guys and I would have some in trucks but never on my person. Just water or gatorade, and all in either a camelbak bladder and/ or various canteens that had designated pouches. I stopped a friend who was walking out with 3 1.5L water bottles in his dump pouch, like dude you have an empty bladder on your back.

@@Blakewater0326 I only had two in there most the time for when days got long or I got a caffeine headache. But yeah that’s kinda funny. Definitely a lance criminal moment😂

I use purpose built pouches, or repurposed other more suitable pouches for breaching. Demo I carried in my assault pack or ruck, depending on the mission and intent.

I really couldn't say. All thats going to do is crush into your abs when you go prone. Granted the reality of combat is far less prone than flat and open training ranges. I think its an attempt to make them more convenient. Funny thing is, mag pouches are already on the front. So index your mags back into your pouches.

The argument is not about magazine retention, it is about the dump pouch being unnecessary to do so as mags can be re-indexed into pouches and cargo pockets suffice for short term storage in a pinch. And the first part of your comment with the dump pouch being used for administrative purposes on a range highlights that it is not a tactical need. People labor under the impression that SOF just dumps mags and leaves them, this is a fallacy. Any professional fighter retains their equipment.

Mini14 or M1 Garand? Mini 14 to my understanding is an M14 chambered in 5.56 and magazine fed.

@@Blakewater0326 mini 14, it is magazine fed but has an accessory you can add for stripper clips. Don’t have a lot of mags for it currently because they’re expensive so if I don’t use the spoon or on my last mag I reload that way.

1. I am not basing this of one job or duty, I am basing this on being a gunfighter who understands manual of arms and how to manage their equipment. These are concepts that transcend billet or MOS. 2. At no point have I ever encouraged not retaining magazines. This is a straw man argument, and one of the most common attempts to contradict. What is stated in the video is that retention does not require the dump ouch. And if you had served any length of time, especially in combat, you would be familiar with the laughable fallible logistic system. I have been without water, without food; I have not been in positions to simply replace the magazines I deployed with. I in fact have at times not even had enough ammunition to support full combat operations, though ammo was the one thing the Corps seemed capable of burdening me with. And as for the "SHTF" claim: back pack. Have a pack, and fill that with your spoils. Same for site exploitation, which is another claim which belies a lack of knowledge and experience on the subject.

@Blakewater0326 Thanks for response. Well having served over 35 years (just retired) in Army with almost 2 dozen Combat Deployments in Iraq, Afghanistan and other locations as a CT advisor, with SMU's, and also dozens of gunfights under my belt, I found that: True the logistics is never always on point, but in GWOT there were usually extra Mags at the truck, COP, FOB, or Resupply Drop. (Unless on RECCE, LRRP, long patrols, etc) (If your only packing 3-4 mags that's a self Inflicted wound) During a firefight, or lull, picking up mags and inserting them in a different position in often collapsible pouches is slow and cumbersome and not usually a lot of Battledrill/Muscle memory exercise time spent on, especially usually needing two hands. (It can be a blindfolded drill like reloads, and in SHTF or on a LRRP/RECCE team may need to be) Sometimes you just need to gather your shit and get the hell off the X or objective ASAP. And a foldable collapsible Dump pouch is fast, easy to do justbthat. And it can also be used to throw extra mags, Frags, smoke, belts, charges into for an objective or redistribute to others low or need. Most folks don't carry a pack on objectives, and definitely not everyone. (I always had a small collapsible plate pack (charges, mags, breach tools, etc) Designated SSE bags are of course a thing, especially if that's a huge part of Op. Like u said the corps could always find more ammo, as did the Army and teams. A luxury in a true SHTF scenario that will unlikely stay true. I guess at the end of the day, it's all personal choice and mission dependent METT-T driven. Most of the Fighters in Ukraine fighting full on conventional war find them indispensable, and not just trying to copy "operators" they see in media or TV. Like some guys online think because ST6 or CAG carried 3-4 mags on quick in/out capture/kill ops where helo'd in/out, any long term patrol, MTC or a long Term National SHTF scenario, what you carry is what you have for long haul, and while heavy (You and I both know ammo and water are the bulk of weight) You never know when or if can be resupplied. So a dump pouch is a personal kit choice based on the shooters experience and mission. I hate Text/Comments because it removes tone and inflection. My comment was not meant to be smart ass in any way. Just let viewers/readers expand their factors to decide. We all have our opinions and preferences. Thanks for yours! Always open to new perspectives!

@@wolfpack2486 you mention a good point and common excuse: poor training. It takes so very little effort to train for retention, yet when we fall short we blame our training and refuse to see where we simply failed ourselves; it is easier to blame someone else, especially when its "them". Yes, some mag pouches are not as easy as others, and to that my response is: source better equipment; you have pockets and potentially (if not wearing armor) the front of your jacket/ field shirt/ combat shirt. I'm also not saying people should eject mags to the ground and THEN collect them, rather be proactive in their reloads by exchanging mags and immediately retaining without having them fall away. Should one run to lock-back while bounding it is still possible to exchange the mags without ejecting the empty to the ground (time, distance, and cover being considered). I am also not advocating for the small loadouts we see so commonly from troops conducting direct action or working with PF. The load out should be appropriate for the mission and with the consideration that one fight will often lead to more. Considering all aspects of support, fires, and troops available as well as the enemy situation. A dump pouch is not preparation. It is the lack therein, as rather than train, rather than objectively analyze the environment, and rather than build tribe and community, rather than becoming active in local politics to make our voices heard and take the power that we the people are supposed to have; people buy kit and blasters and bullets. People stockpile various things and say they're ready for the imaginary worst case scenario. We can do better.

Cargo pockets, ankle pockets, nut ruck, back pockets, packs...

If it never gets used, sounds like there is no need. Pockets work just fine.

I don't believe you absorbed the totality of the material. I am not saying NOT to retain mags, in fact I have never preached such folly. I am saying retain mags where they're meant to be retained: magazine pouches.

doesn't matter, its still a dump pouch. Folks keep trying to make dump pouches into utility pouches, when those already exist. Like I say in the video and always, if someone has a legitimate need then so be it. However, vast majority of folks do not have a legitimate need, they just want one more thing on their kit and to be lazy with their management of items and equipment.

@@Blakewater0326 I agree I only use mine for cookies and water not a joke

pockets, pack, canteen/ bladder pouches, cargo pockets, mag pouches. Perhaps watch the full video.

And that's the thing. Manufacturers are adding ways to "organize" items in the dump pouch. We already have that, and they're called utility pouches that can be secured much better. Putting lipstick on a pig is still a pig.

The argument that I'm saying just yeet your mags and never retain them is an intellectually dishonest one. I quite literally state that I'm NOT telling people they shouldn't retain mags, I am saying people should retain mags smartly. Backpacks make far better storage, and something that you can also have and should have for anyone in a tactical environment. They also sit nicely in vehicles.

@@Blakewater0326 Yeah I wasn't implying that you're saying that. Is that what viewers are accusing you of? That's not what I got. I think you make a great point that people just slap stuff on their belt because the MOLLE is there.

@@jonathanmays2600 the argument about not wanting to lose magazines is always made. An argument that implies I'm suggesting mag retention isn't necessary. You don't need a dump pouch for mag retention, and in fact a dump pouch isn't needed for a great many applications.