Kmart Shopper Sells Religion to Serial Killer Who Abducted Her | Margy Palm Case Analysis 

It's odd you say that, because I get the impression that Dr. Grande IS religious. For example, he has a cross on the wall of his bedroom (he filmed several videos in that locale a couple years ago), and he once said he's against the death penalty for "theological reasons.". Maybe he's just skeptical of certain types of religious beliefs or is able to separate his personal faith from his psychological analyses.

I agree, Kat-tr2ig. Margy’s deep faith saved not only her life but seemed to have made a profound change in Stephen’s as well.

What makes you think that Dr. Grande isn't "religious?" Has he discussed his personal beliefs online? I'm a believer but I don't consider myself to be religious if that makes any sense. To me churches are pathetic for so many reasons. Greed, lovers of money, false doctrines, hypocrisy, but in spite of my disdain for fraudsters, I'm still a believer. Dr. Grande pegged it right about Copeland asking for money and fleecing the flock. He's spot on with his assessment. lol 🧚‍♀

@@detectivefiction3701 Dr Grande being religious sounds quite oxymoronic.🤣

To have another person sincerely pray for your wellbeing with all their heart has a powerful effect that not many people experience. Such prayer is love and Stephen Morin got to experience it.

😂😂😂

That had me cracking up

She is amazing.. 1 in a billion lady

It’s pretty remarkable. Brave woman and compassionate.

Admirable? She lied to the police and kept him on the run longer. She didn't care about anyone else's well-being.

Lying to the police to help the killer get away is taking a chance of other people become his victims. Thank God her husband did the right responsible thing .

@@heyitsjustme.680 Right? I love how when you mention religion all the christians suddenly seem to forgive the wrongdoings. The arrogance it takes to believe that your couple of hours of "preaching" (kenneth copeland version of "christianity" too LOL) is somehow going to "magically save" a monster. Just because he let her go she thought she had "fixed" him. Then she goes on a "look-at-how-awesome-i-am" TV tour. I'm sure she was eating up that attention. What arrogance!

She did the opposite she lied to police to let him get away and possibly/ probably kill more people.

She didn't have a lot of options.

@@wokeness420 She has the option at the gas station.

As a man of indeterminate faith, it's always good to hear a story here someone possesses a deep faith and high intelligence. These days people seem to deduce the two concepts are mutually exclusive.

Religion Ruined The World

@@click_beatty exactly!

I wonder if it was a tactic or if she was religious and delusional

@@jukie16i used to be hardcore atheist. Jesus is the Truth and the laying of hands by those with the Holy Spirit does cast out demons. i don’t think she was delusional. she listened to God that day

@@jukie16 I feel like atheists are more likely to be delusional, but science is a really good logical system and if an atheist depends on science, they are a lot less likely to depend on their delusions. But the sad truth about an atheistic mind is if you go far enough you'll see the cracks in logic, kind of like they can tell the here and now really well but can't explain the why / rather believe the why doesn't really factor into the structure of the universe at all. You need a healthy mix of science and religion to defeat a few of the delusions both have naturally. And religion doesn't need a deity. A lot of religions just find the environment to be spiritual in itself, like Buddhism and native American religions. But one of the foundational reasons atheism is flawed is the belief that scientific methods are somehow superior to non-scientific methods, but they are just as human made and just as vulnerable to delusion.

​@@jukie16I think it was a combination of both. But moreso being extremely religious to the point where she was already delusional. I'm not a religious person, nor am I an atheist; but I think that for some people a healthy dose of religion is good, but in her case she seemed to be well over the healthy limit before she came into contact with him. That unhealthiness saved her life as well as others on his path though. Well, that and ultimately her *husband* having enough sense to call the police and have him taken into custody bc her stupid ass would have been ok with a kiss on the cheek, believed he was miraculously saved by her, and let him ride into the sunset free to continue murdering people. So I think her husband is the real MVP here and that she was %100 extremely delusional. I think the lives saved are what matter most. He was unwell himself so that caught him off guard and got his gears turning in another delusional direction that also ended up benefiting her. She got very very lucky. I think its good that his tactic of trying to use religion (being saved) didn't work to get him off death row. "Perhaps" what Dr. Grande envisioned the warden saying when he was trying to delay or stop the process was not only hilarious, but brilliant to move it along and saved so many other potential victims because he was a monster who would have continued to murder and then use religion to "repent" to try to weave his way out of it. Whatever maker he believed in, if its real, could only save his evil ass. Even if he's just ashes and not existing in an afterlife is better than him being here killing people.

​@cheesborgar6925, so you used to have common sense at some point in your life and lost the ability of using critical thinking, ok...😂.

Yes exactly ☮️

With the exception of getting busted with a shoe stashed with razor blades, cash, a drivers license, and names/addresses of those he wanted to enact revenge on...or how he refers to it: "A momentary lapse of faith". Yeah, sure.

​@@susanivy3619he didn't use any of it while he had opportunity.

Kenneth Copeland is quite frightening, however, serial killers are much scarier

@@lexingtonconcord8751 Yes, but Copeland has crucified Jesus all over again. Unless he miraculously repents I'm sure God has a special place in hell for him. That false prophet has led many astray, which is heartbreaking.

Kenneth Copeland was not always this crazy and scary. In the beginning of his ministry he was totally different. Money, the LOVE of money, got to him. Now he is serving a different god.

copeland needs an exorcism pronto

God moves in strange ways.❤

Totally agree.

To have another person sincerely pray for you with all their heart has a powerful effect that not many people experience. Such prayer is love and Stephen Morin got to experience it.

Your words, in this instance were FAR BETTER than dr. grande's analysis. I like him a lot, but he is grounded in a faithless, almost computer like analysis of humans....maybe this guy changed a little, maybe not at all, I don't know. But it could have been temporary on fell anywhere on a long spectrum from fraud to real belieft. And lives were saved. I'm a Christian. What Dr. Grande says would imply that I am either ALWAYS GOOD or not a Christian....the first is not what is happening!! :) The second is...even if I'm not the best one. ciao

She was guided by the wisdom of the Spirit, and gave herself to God’s protection. At the same time, giving him the Wisdom of God’s Word. It served everyone. Only The Lord knows if he was sincere.

Absolutely agree!

💯🎯🔥

Uh… didn’t she lie to the police?? 😅

I’ve seen God transform people just like Steven was or seemed to be. I won’t be surprised to see him in heaven someday..

I've seen Catholics do some sneaky things. But then they can twist the story around and act like they were heroes.

@@david-dj8or You've spotted a hypocrite! That proves Christianity doesn't work. /s

Nah it was God working through her that changed him. No one and I mean no one changes like that without the spirit of God. My faith your faith the planets faith does nothing. God used Margie to reach a man who was so lost Nothing could save him just like Paul. Those criticizing him for not being "perfect " after his salvation must think that Christians are perfect?? Topic for another time I guess but no Christians are not perfect. God intervened and transformed that man.

I think he's just skeptical of the type of Christianity that Margie seems to have subscribed to (the evangelical or "laying on of hands" type). He's probably also skeptical of the idea that an experienced criminal can sincerely and enduringly abandon criminality as the result of a single encounter with a Christian.

@@lisanelson302 Chill, you know what they meant. Lol

@@shameronstar7220 ok sure I'll chill. Are you chilled.?

Love not religion dissolves even evil ❤

@@Acts16v31My thought exactly. She did do what she was supposed to do! Faith is very powerful. All’s we have to do is believe, God does the rest. We are vessels for His works, and Faith WITHOUT works is dead so imagine what faith WITH works can do! Epic.🙌🏾

@@yvettemarshallTWN deranged individual right here.

you don't know that, as he had repented and did not try to hold off the police at Austin. God forgives narcissists and criminals too, when they repent .

She wasn't crazy. She had Stockholm Syndrome, and it is a good thing that she did, because it saved her life and many others. He was planning to die in a shootout with the cops, and she changed his mind about that, possibly saving the lives of numerous police officers and bystanders. She wasn't able to go from bonding intensely with her captor to turning him in the INSTANT she was free, but we shouldn't expect that of her. She DID tell her husband in time for the police to catch Steven, so really she did everything right despite the trauma she must have been in. Which is absolutely amazing.

@@cynthiaschell7246Really? A person can kill/destroy all of the people’s lives that he did and wreck their loved one’s lives too, and your God forgives?

@@valgardener7656 she did NOT have Stockholm syndrome. She had deep faith and was doing what the Bible (Jesus) tells us to do. To share the Good News that sinners can be redeemed. She wanted to give him the loving kindness he's never had.

@@ceilconstante640 She definitely had something like Stockholm Syndrome, as evidenced by the fact that she did not tell the cops where he was. This was NOT a part of her normal religious beliefs. We know this because she later, speaking as a woman of faith, said that he belonged in prison. So she was NOT acting on faith when she tried to keep him out of prison; she was acting out of the SS type bond with him, and it was temporary. She very quickly acted out of her actual beliefs and values, by telling her husband where he really was, so that the cops could find him.

Me as well friend ❤

Same here you’ll get through it guys this too shall pass

He killed 9 people.... What a great god. And how many getting killed every day?

I like his comment that Kenneth Copeland saw satan as competition

Copeland is a psychopathic grifter. It’s wild so many people are duped and send him their $$$$$s for his lavish lifestyle

You teach your kids that? I certainly would not allow anyone to restrain and abduct me I’d rather die fighting.

An FBI agent spoke to us at a librarians convention and his advice was to run or fight if in a parking lot etc, because "at least there would be people around to call an ambulance" and you had a chance of survival. He said, "Once you go away with him, you're never coming back."

Lol, I actually thought he was being sincere... They may have possessed Margie! 🤭🙀😱😜 Although, I agree, Dr Grande has a wonderful sense of humor, VERY dry delivery!! 💯💯💯🙏🏻🙌🏻😂🤣🤣

This! She got lucky, these guys are erratic and ultimately unpredictable. Behavioral science itself can’t yet make total sense of them; and that’s because they are not very rational, they’re more primitive instinct and moment driven, like animals, like the animal predators that they are. They operate at a very low and basic level of consciousness, and are closer to a wild animal than to a human. It’s like a lone, feral wolf, you never know what it’s going to do, and you are all too lucky if it doesn’t pounce.

I watch the show “I survived” a lot and some of the perpetrators on that show would’ve laughed in her face.

She was blessed. With common sense, a lack of panicked actions, and/or or grace from God. I think Margy was blessed with all three.

Very lucky she could appeal to his narcissistic side!

exactly

Agree . . . especially since he was reading a book of scriptures.

I agree he had an encounter with pure love. God is pure love ❤️.

@@christinahite74GOd is what now? He created this killer, knowing what was going to happen, watched it happen, and did NOTHING! And what about the love to the millions of children in Africa dying of AIDS and/or starvation??? Pure love.

Have you heard the phrase, _"They know the words but not the music"_ ?

@@justincredible.correct, absolutely.

I was about to ask if that movie was inspired by this case

@@malumuserano it is based on a different true story.

Especially during those Blue Light Specials!

Unlike the Walmart shoppers.

How many people did he kill and how many people get killed all over the world??????

That was my thought too. She might get away but only to leave the other person to be a victim.

Yeah, I can. He would have killed them. Contrary to popular belief, having a sad childhood and/or being bullied does not make psychopaths out of people.

@@catsinpajamas how wonderful for you to know everything

@@rodolfoerdogan4983🤣🤣🤣

@@catsinpajamas Disagree.

facts and spoiled assholes become serial killers too

Yes, devil eyes.

Mental illness and narcissism.

But how would anyone know what is in another’s heart, who is saved, or isn’t. God alone has this knowledge. “The information is not available to mortal man”. Simon & Garfunkel.

Of course we can't know for sure, but I have seen this pattern with others, swinging from evil to God. It can be spotted when the focus is still on THEM, rather than victims or others in general. Sometimes even in feigning to help others they have an underlying self focus. It's usually bizarre and just doesn't feel right to look at it.

@@BobbiGail In the parable of the sower Jesus talked about seed that yielded 30, 60 and 100% increase. Some people are the 30%. I believe God simply takes what He can get. He knows what we are each capable of. We cannot truly know what's happening in another's heart and mind. The guy accepted his punishment, did his time and even at the end was focused on "religion" so who are we to say? Maybe he did the best he could, salvation doesn't wipe away mental illness or an unsound mind and people can be truly saved in their hearts but display all the traits of the mentally unsound.

@@TheFakeyCakeMaker Matt 7:15-16. My only point was that I would have hoped he might have shed more light on the ppl he hurt (KILLED) in the past and maybe showed some remorse... to help those families. Ppl can hide under the guise of God. In the end it is between him & God anyway. The woman did an incredible thing witnessing to him and sharing a moment of love even in her own moment of terror.

cringe

​@@magical571no cringe. I read the story as she told it. I'm impressed by her.

I am hopeful rather that his poor victims and their ruined families can be restored in the afterlife.

Agreed

Truth!

Spoiler alert: he wasn't

Jesus saves, and the devil receives.

God knows nothing as he doesn’t exist. We all go to the same place Steven went to - oblivion. You have to lead your best life now. There is no redemption, no one is going to save you. This is all we have. Make the most of it every day and be kind.

laundry time☺☺

Please tell us how you chose your handle

I've been wondering WHY it's so calming to watch these videos about murderers... But it's true, it's super relaxing.

Oh yes, him not killing anyone during the whole 45 minutes he was free before the police arrested him was absolute proof that he had changed his ways 🙄 Him preparing to kill again and escape in prison is just a teeny backslide....

@@ihatespam2please provide those “studies”. You’ve made a lot of claims but have proved none, and in fact cannot prove them. In fact, I know lots of people helped by prayer. I can’t prove heavenly intervention, of course, but I know of people who believe they were helped by praying and being prayed for. You can’t disprove that with a precooked atheist “study”

@@wolfe6220he could have killed more; he could have killed Margie; he didn’t fight his sentences; he appeared to be less bitter and angry. You could fairly conclude he was changed by his interaction with Margie and that interaction was based on religious faith

@JJDSports2012 He knew his goose was cooked after he was apprehended. As for not killing her, it is unclear if he thought there could have been a promise of a romance or something in his own mind. Almost as if she implied she would run away with him on the bus up until it was time for him to board. I am inclined to think this would have not turned out so well had she been unattractive or male.

​@@wolfe6220he didn't appeal his convictions says a lot.

Naive or not it was an all or nothing situation so she did what she felt she had to do in that situation at the time.

She followed her gut and it worked. Her instincts were spot on, so I for one wouldn't be so smug about second guessing her after the fact. If she was afraid that attempting to escape would cause him to kill her and the shop clerk, then maybe attempting to escape would have resulted in him killing her and the store clerk. Half this comments section is full of people who clearly think they could have done better, so they should get out there and catch some serial killers instead of wasting their time on RU-vid

@@valgardener7656 I know right? People acting like getting kidnapped by a deranged killer serial is an everyday occurrence.😭 Like get real people lol

Naive? Or confident? Empowered? Faithful? "I can do all things through Christ."

Amen!!!

I’m not religious but I find it very impressive.

Yes. People underestimate the effect that extraordinary beauty opens doors. But also, I believe that the "warmth and grandmother feeling" can also have that effect.

I'm on the fence about his conversion. Although I think it could be possible, I also knew a person for many years, from our youth to senior years who was a malevolent narcissist who kept score and got even. Around 40, she converted to Buddhism and remained very vocally Buddhist and tried to convert me an everyone, ceaselessly. But because it would "bring her good fortune." Lol. Our possible improved lives didn't occur to her. She continued her actions of vengeance if she was "wounded" throughout this and didn't see the conflict. So, what Dr said may be true- or not. As you say, we don't know.

And then some!

Naive, more like.

Very lucky.

Which one?

Me too

Is he missing?

God is always there We do not have to "find" him Each of us is where we should be

Amen!

I hope I would have been as strong as Margy was . . . but can't say that for sure.

Margy knows her final destination!

I don't hear him mocking her beliefs at any point. He jokes in his telling at every turn about all scenarios. But to say he is mocking her religious beliefs seems like something you totally imagined. Many people do, but I don't see it happening in this situation.

I've always gotten the impression that Dr. Grande is a practicing Catholic. If that's the case, he's probably very skeptical of the type of evangelical or "laying on of hands" Christianity that Margie seems to have subscribed to.

Yeah 1 in a million lol

100% He did mock her beliefs - it seems to be a common thing now. Don't dare mock any other religion - but it's "okay" to slam Christians.

​​@@tangomcphearson74 Muslims are called ALL types of names in this country and Jewish people are mocked relentlessly. They are both stereotyped constantly, as well. You are not a victim because you're a Christian. Also, Dr. Grande didn't say anything offensive.

Is that right? Besides that being a baseless assertion and fallacious reasoning, it seems like that power could have been better applied to stop Steven from murdering dozens of people prior to this.

@tbuitendyk You need to demonstrate the existence of free will before your assertions could be taken as accurate. You do not know that free will actually exists or if the universe is predeterministic.

​@@tbuitendykare you saying that we have the same entitlements as God?

@tbuitendyk Actually, you do not "know that having been created in God's image we are free moral agents fully culpable for the choices we make". You may have that belief, but beliefs are not necessitated by knowledge. Please do not assert to know that which you can not demonstrate. Your assertions about determinism are not well thought out. For starters, have you really not heard of what is referred to as the illusion of free will? A deterministic universe does not have to "feel" as if it is such. Ergo, your hypotheticals about theft, justice, laws, etc. are nonsensical. I would urge you to attempt to have a better epistemology and not assert that which you are unable to actually know.

@tbuitendyk Hindus, Muslims, etc. believe that they have experiences that validate how they "know" that what they believe is accurate also. So, I get that you don't get it. Your beliefs are not better supported by evidence than theirs.