Holy crap it's kip dynamite.. also spyderco's patent on the compression lock expired on Feb 22 2021 so it's just a matter of time before we start seeing other brands use it
Also Seth, there is the 'bolster lock' found on modern day Italian switchblades, the 'pick lock' on older Italian switchblades and the 'plunge lock' which, of course, can be found on old and modern switchblades/automatics. We should take into consideration also, the small slide lock on classic and modern switchblades/automatics which when deployed prevents even the opening of the knife 🔪. Great show Seth, it was very interesting learning about some locking systems I've never even heard of. I appreciate the education ! ☺️🤗🔪👋
Probably because the marksman is discontinued unfortunately. I don't know of any other knives that used that lock. Always wanted a marksman, never got the chance to get it before they were gone.
Im a lefty, and all kind of knife lock i can engage it with my left hand without any issue at all, i feel no need for an ambi knife.. even on my ar15 rifle that is non-ambidextrous, i still can engage and disengage the safety using left thumb.. why someone feel that specific lock will be an issue for left handed ?
@@harisyoung4110 they want to feel as if knives aren't accessible to us lefties. They feel the need to demean us because we can use them just fine, and get all heated up because something they define as "unusable for lefties" or "right hand carry" is actually not a real thing. Especially the whole pocket clip theory.
Re: last Fred Perrin knife I have heard them called Jacob's ladder knives (Cold Steel made some for a little bit). A variation includes the funny folders (see A. G. Russell Funny folder for example) 1. R.A.M. lock and the 2. External Toggle by G&G Hawk. 3. Recoil lock by Artisan Cultery/CJRB (although basically a crossbar lock). There were some odd locks like 4. Spyderco's Phantom lock (Meerkat? Others?) and some odd CRKT locks like the 5. Van Hoy Snap Lock and a 6. Bolster type lock among others. 7. Spyderco's Power Lock (only used on a discontinued large folder Tatanka). Also 8. Paul Axial lock (similar activation to the CRKT deadbolt) that can be seen on Benchmades, Gerbers and Lone Wolf. 9. Blackie Collins had a few designs right? Bolt action Lock for one. 10. Ram Stop lock on Cold Steel Folding Bushman. very strong and easy to service if necessarily two-handed... Pretty cool to see Seth getting out there more.
I have an odd BenchMark pocketknife with a swappable blade and a toggle lock - from the early '80s. Unfortunately all except the blade is made of somewhat low-grade black plastic. It had an integral clip like the early Spydercos that broke right off, so I sanded the area smooth. Sits in my weird knife collection box! (I may be wrong, but I THINK it was a Blackie Collins design)
Lionsteel Tactical Operation Lock Sandrin Recoil Lock Victorinox Piano Lock Antonini Safety Ring Lock (A sleeker take on the collar lock used by Opinel) Hmmm... I have less than 30 knives (not counting multitools) and I have 5 locks (including the Roto-Lock) that were not discussed. CRKT has some more of course (those funky leaf-shaped knives come to mind)
Detent "slip joints" sometimes come with a hole and peg which could be considered a lock. like the Opinel though, it is not automatic. Also not on the table, the ColdSteel Pocket Bushman ram safe lock.
I just get more and more hooked on the action of the little 20.5 - can't wait until more versions are released, in other blade shapes, steels, and handle materials! The weight of the Sharkfoot blade design is so perfectly suited to flipping it, I'll want to try out the others if I get a chance.
I second Cliff's comment, I keep scouring eBay for an old lone wolf pre-benchmade buyout Paul axial lock I can afford. And I'd love to see a WE double helix lock explained. I still don't get it.
Super fun and educational video. Really enjoyed the explanation of the compression lock, as well as the super neat lock at the end. Not sure why companies don't use more unique locks like this.
@@joshuasteele5108 bruh be real, you cant tell the difference of strength between a frame lock and a triad unless you actually try to break it. Its just nice to know that the triad is the strongest but in real use nobody would really break it lmao.
This one I can only wish for now or near future due to multiple surgeries coming up. This is really grabbing my attention and I own close to four hundred knives in my collection. I've been collecting knives since I was 8 years old, and lm 60 now. Love your detailed episode's. Great job guys
Truly a wealth of knowledge. Between Seth and David, they pretty much know the entire production market, and quite a bit of the custom/midtech world. It's very impressive.
Well done Seth. I’m a fan of how you present the knives. Nice and calm telling truth given good opinions that stuff matters bro. I hope all is well. I like how David presents the knives as well. And I also like that you two are friends. It shows in the videos and makes them really good for me. Nothing like a good friendship. Don’t let him bully you, lol. I’m just kidding. The first button like I remember is on a Milwaukee utility knife 190 one about 12 or 15 years ago all this carpenters went nuts over them. We still use them to this day. Lately I’ve been using regular knives and liking it
Hey good video Thanks! Yes the timberline knife did make it to market. They made several sizes and had plain edge and partially serrated. Carried one for a short period. An old lock type from Gerber was the Paul knife with the axial lock.
I had one of those timberline knives also. If you did a pull cut on a sticky or hard objects it could disengage the lock. It happened to me 3 times so I sold it and told the new owner about it. He said he was adding it to his collection.
Showing off that beautiful Manix 2 XL yet I still have a Manix 2 on backorder since May. I wish Spyderco would get the Manix 2 manufactured and shipped to Knife Center so I can get my knife.
When an extremely intelligent video like this comes around which is rare, why the perceived need to have mind numbing computer looped “music”? In the background? Lots of older folk hear that as extraneous noise when trying to focus on the subject matter
Great video Seth, only critics are no Fox Radius which I know you've got some laying around the warehouse, and none of G&G Hawk's crazy locks. But glad to see you in front of the camera brotha. 👍👍Keep up the great work👍👍
You missed the locking Spanish folders, the Navajas Espaniolas. For me personally the Radjahs II (2) and Radjahs III (3) are the coolest. No meaner coute-coutes than the Radjahs!
@@jamesR1990 Hi James, I didn't want to blame the shop, but it should be sort of a reminder, that there are quite a lot of folders, namely those Navajas, out there.
Great job Seth!! Being newer to collecting knives I learned a lot from this video! Hopefully we see more of you in future videos. I especially enjoy when you and DCA do them together!
I have both a Timberline and the Kershaw Speed Bump.The Kershaw was my EDC for a couple of years and I liked it,I never carried the Timberline very long,it was just too hard too close and just a little bit small for my taste.I generally carry a Benchmade Freek now.I really enjoy the videos.
the neely lock on the timberline demonstration knife looks similar to the Cold steel pocket bushman folding knife's locking mechanism. also designed by andrew demko
I gotta say that Timberline always felt like it was going to give way in use - that's why mine was put away shortly after buying it! A version made from stronger materials could be very interesting...
About this funny small knife at the end (Le Petitri) - Cold Steel use to do something like that in the past. The project was called Triple Action and existed in two variants: tanto and spear point. From some reason it has been discontinued but I love to see it in production again. The knife, when it is closed looks like shiny rectangle with a pocket clip so it not brings any attention. Good gentlemen knife candidate.
Hello K.C., Ya'll also saw the vid a week back of the "lock type" vid done by a guy so th as t ya showed him a couple extra, huh?!? Shut "and lock" the window. Be safe and take care, "God Bless", sincerely, Randy. 👍👍🙏😇👊
The Fred Perrin knife is the same concept as the Cold Steel triple action. The guy in the CS promo video made it look as impressive as a balisong. Benchmade's axis lock is the fastest to close, which means a lot when you are using and pocketing a work knife constantly. In a pinch, you can reinforce the lock by jamming a stick behind the locking bar with the blade in the open position. The triad has to be the strongest lock I've ever thrashed. The integrated overstrike guard on most Cold steel models equipped with the triad also greatly enhances durability. The pull-the-pin lock on the douk douk/pocket bushman is also pretty cool and likely as strong.
Top 10 video of KnifeCenter here ! I wish there are more videos with you in solo. You were a bit hesitant in the beginning of your first solo vid, but it disapeered quickly and now you're very smooth ^^ (If you still think you are not doing great just look at the old videos of DCA.... Everybody had to start somewhere ! ) I really like when you show some things that DCA don't have : you are more dynamic, you are more agile with opening and closing a knife rapidly or elegantly, and focusing of figeting-ability of knives is not dumb because that's most of us do with them anyway ^^ If I can give you some viewer advice, I say find your own style, don't copy his catchphrases or ASMR-voice, keep talking about what you personnaly like in a knife, make some useful comparisons on grip with your it-seems-average-sized-hands, and if applicable maybe you can give your knowledgable-customer POV VS DCA knowledgable-knifemaker POV ? Maybe it's not that simple. Have fun Seth, and thank you for the vid !
Being old school, I like the Black Cat K55K and the lock up used with it. A system used since 1867. Can't go wrong with this low cost and time tested knife.
One lock you missed that is obscure is the Toggle lock. The Quartermaster General has it, but the first company I saw the lock on was a Kershaw. Also CRKT had a knife called the Rollock2 (model number 5202KN), the Rollock2 is an interesting lock. The tip of the tips up and slides forward, then clicks inplace when pressed out all the way. The lock bar is basically reverse of the Buck style back lock, it's on the underside back of the handle. I have two knives from Russia that the Scale is how you actuate the lock. Frost Cutlery had a Copperhead that the primary blade I'd unlocked by pressing the closed secondary blade further in teords the back of the knife. Frost also had a bolster lock that released the blade when tilted back. Pro-tech has also used that same lock. Just a few I could think of right off hand. I like knives with obscure locks.
The Rollock was based on a much fancier BenchMark Rollox design - I never use any of my CRKT oddball lock knives because they all feel as if they would break under any harder use than as letter openers!
CJRB Recoil lock, cold steel ram lock, balisong (would that be a lock?), detent bar (a few civivi models incorporate this), Quartermaster QTR-2lt General Lee 2 external toggle v3.0, Kershaw Kapsule, Boker KTK kubasek magnet lock? Will comment again if I think of more. There really are a ton of locking mechanisms.
Kershaw sub frame lock, just think it could use some explaining for anyone that is new to knives or just hasn’t heard of it before. Definitely think you all should do a part 2.
Great Vidja…. Here’s some others. I had at least one knife in the Locks you mentioned, plus these 4 which I bought from your website! Sandrin Knives Torino Recoil Lock, Cold Steel 20KK Kudu Ring Lock, Cold Steel 95FB Pocket Bushman Folding Knife with their patent pending Ram Safe™ lock Kershaw 1190 Jens Anso Kapsule Sliding Button Lock OTF Knife (You mentioned button lock but not a sliding button lock.)
The Buck back lock has that solid click when engaged, it says reliable. The detent let's you know to be careful, and draws the attention everytime. The Buck slim series is excellent!!!!
That Speed-up just got my attention, from both the lockup style, to the AWESOME handle shape! I'm just imagining how natural and comfortable that'd feel in my hand!
You’re missing a bunch of locks like: The bolster lock The scale lock The bar lock The double detent ball lock The rattle lock (one of the oldest locking methods) The screw lock The slide lock (like most box cutters have) That weird lock coldsteel once used where you have to pull on a lanyard attached to the bottom of the knife The lock the crkt provoke uses And a bunch of others I can’t think of
I love these videos, I would love to see a video that demonstrates the type of cuts that knives can make. “Pull cuts” for example is thrown around all over the place and I’d like to see them done and which knives are best suited for certain types of cuts . Thanks
A couple locks that aren't included that i can think of off the top of my head would be the OTF locks, and the weird lever locks that unfold from the handle, swing around, then pop back into place
Several years EDCing a Skeletool convinced me that either tension when closed or locking closed was essential. The Skeletool blade routinely worked its way open while in my pocket. I finally gave up on the Skeletool and switched to the Rebar for pocket carry, because the knife blades are captured when the Rebar is closed.
My skeletool is nearly always on a belt loop. It does occasionally find its way into a pocket. I have never had it come open on me regardless of the location.
Loved this video. I think you forgot to mention the lock that locks the frame lock. SRM did this with the SRM 9008 and called it Beta lock. Very interesting one. Awesome class bro!
In terms of strength we're generally looking at lock back >> crossbar lock >> ball bearing >> compression lock > frame lock > liner lock. A liner lock can support roughly 45lbs. Cross bar locks can go to 350lbs which makes them best imo, easiest and most fun one handed open and close. Lock back knives are strongest, they are hard to measure however because the blade breaks before the lock.
@@TerminalM193 I haven't seen that one tested but Demko himself says it's in the triad ballpark. So lock back range. In terms of design I would say it is excellent for combining strenth with fidget, probably more effectively so than the crossbar lock.
@@deadvikingtrolls Yea, I've wanted one for awhile now but they honestly don't have that many options unless you're willing to pay 300+ it seems. I'd personally like to see more options for the 200 and less range.
The Frank Beltrame stilettos have an interesting lock too. That’s one you have to explain to people every time they hit the button. “How do you close it.” 🤔😁
The only lock that I have seen taking abuse is the “Tri-Ad Lock” in the Cold Steel knives. In the case of the AK-47 one of my favorite knives it can hold up to 500 lbs (227 Kg) in weight and still not bend. Do the other locks in this presentation can match that up? If so, which ones? Great video and great presentation Mr. Ned Flanders look alike (from The Simpsons) Cold Steel D. E. L. I. V. E. R. S. !!!
Otf's are actually fairly simple in their lockup design,once you've taken one apart...basically it's two tiny lite springs and one or two long springs and a few flat pieces of steel.
Man, Seth - you made a VERY entertaining video here - and I HAVE that Timberline! Mine is clear also, and the plastic bit from the thumbstuds is all that has broken off - still has the metal insert portion, though - so it still works. I ALSO have a version of that Perrin made by Case - it's called the Tri-Fold and has black plastic handles - I can even (barely) open it one-handed! Other lock types I own worth mentioning are the classic German Mercator modified back-lock made in Solingen (mine is the K55), the Kershaw Rotary Lock, and a 3-fer from CRKT: the Rollock, the Van Hoy Snap Lock, and the Gallagher Glide Lock. I had a habit in my younger years of buying every new lock type I laid eyes on. I also have several non-locking folders with odd actuation methods. I slowed down in my older years because it was getting expensive trying to keep up - but I managed to snap up a Demko AD20.5 that I'm fidgeting so much that I developed a new medical condition - "Demko forefinger" (a callous on the tip, took a couple weeks to develop!). Keep up the great work with these videos, guys - I am saving this one to show my friends to help explain my addiction... 🤣🤣🤣
Have you seen the Russian knives that have a scale release type lock? They seem to be strong. Easy to operate and keeps fingers out of the path of the blade.
Locks fail. Get a fixed blade like me and you won’t have to worry about that. WINKLER belt knife in BLACK !! I EDC it other strong side scout everyday! Made in AMERICA baby!!!
I once owned a Nealy Lock Knife which I purchased On Vancouver Island, Qualicum, British Columbia. I want to say in 1996ish? It worked well for about 18 months but somehow got all gummed up inside. When I brought it back to the shop the sales associate more or less indicated that the knife seemed to have this problem ( Apparently the shop sold 5 dozen of them and somehow took in over six dozen on warranty claims. So not exactly a good system). In fairness, the shop, marketed mostly to local sport and commercial fishermen. It could be that salt water was not the mechanism's friend. The last model you demonstrated reminded me of Cold Steel, Discontinued Triple action models. I suppose its like an encasement lock. You are missing a few including the Bolt Lock which was common on some Gerber folders in the 80s. Pick Locks/ Swivel Bolster Locks in some Italian-style knives. Lever Lock&Ratchet Lock. A few other obscure ones exist as well such as those in the old german gravity Knives ( not surprised you do not have a sample as laws around those tend to be harsh). Peace
I really appreciate your explanation's of the locking mechanism's... ( I'm interested in the CRKT, 'I think this is the brand' It has lock that uses the pocket CLIP....
