See, this is why my Tabaxi Bard is always smoking "something" out of his pipe. When I play him in character he's just a mellow guy who's easily distracted by shiny things or wandering off if he sees something fun. Rogue: "Ok, Bard, you listen at the north door, I'll listen at the south one. We'll meet back here and report what we can hear." Bard: "You got it." Rogue: [moments later] I turn to Bard and ask- DM: He's gone. Rogue: Come again? DM: He's gone and the door to the north is open. Rogue: What? DM: You see the Bard in the room to the north. He is sitting at a table with three bandits. He is playing dice with them. Rogue: He's playing dice with the guys we're here to kill?! Bard: The DM told me my character heard them playing dice. DM: He rolled very high on his Charisma checks.
My Dragonborn is addicted to gambling and we beat the bbeg in phandelver from the starter set because made a bet with him on which of two goblins I kidnapped would be able to better damage the beholder
I love hearing about bard impossibilities. "You did what?" "I seduced the dragon." "Did the dm-" "Nat 20 perception, it was definitely a she." "What did your character say?!" "DM said I promised a lifetime of free scale polishings." "So it was a silver dragon?" "Red."
As an actor player my party was very surprised when in of the sessions I wanted to try something new, so I didn't pick a bard, but instead I made a Lizardfolk warlock named Larry, they all thought it was gonna be a very generic warlock of demon or something like that, turns out he was Warlock of the Celestial pact, that has a patron that guides him to do good things, but as a Lizardfolk he doesn't know what good things are, so when he sees somebody in struggle he really doesn't know wherever heal them or eat them, so basically because of my DM that is an actor everybody laughs a lot with my character and my patron interactions Best quote from my patron: "You are a Lizard Larry" I love dnd
@@appa609 on a skill check involving only you, yes. Against another player, it depends on the DM, but usually unless the opponent makes a way higher roll than you, you should succeed automatically. (It's still up to the DM) I would do it like this: if you roll a nat20, and the other one rolls like a 17 that adds up to 22, I would rule that the nat20 wins, but a nat20 against like a 31 loses. Also if they have similar modifiers, nat20 should win almost every time anyway
@@OsvaldoChannel1 Rules as written, only attack rolls automatically succeed/fail with Nat 20/1. Ability checks can still fail with a Nat20 or succeed with a Nat1.
I am an “actor” I try to NEVER break character. One of our other players is an actual actress... We have a third actor who takes it even more serious then me. Then we have the dude that gets frustrated with us. And then we have the dm... He is an actor too xD
Dm : "describes somthing" Normal player : oh so it's like a "thing that dosnt exist in dnd world" ACTOR WITHOUT FAIL EVERYTIME : What's a "thing that dosnt exist in dnd world"
It's only annoying if they're annoying at a million other different small things. If they are that person then you want to kill them with a steam roller.
I personally love that the two of you have separate channels now! I get to support you two individually instead of one person getting all of the credit. I love both of you guys and completely agree with the decisions you have made. The collabs make the videos unique but the solo content makes the channel what it is. I with the best of luck to the both of you!
As far as I can tell, you used the correct who's. Because, if I remember correctly, it'd be read as "who is". By the way, this was sincere and I didn't mean to come across as rude or a prick if I did.
My party has a lot of issues with player killing. I've been *trying* to correct it. But for god's sake one of them just keeps freaking doing it because they're siblings. It's rather infuriating.
I have never had that problem, because at session zero I just disallow it. If they want to PVP, let it be a non-lethal brawl. I homebrewed it to make brawls a mini-game of sorts, so it's quite fun when it happens.
have you tried in-game consequences? are there laws in your world, is homicide legal or illegal? send some detectives and investigators after them . . . . you are the DM, you could crush them if you wanted
@@Dijas you disallow a player killing a player? that is lame, in the right context and if it isn't a regular occurrence it can be fun . . . . . . what happens when 2 players decide to use lethal force on each other? do you just kick them out of the game?
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 Yes, I do disallow it, and it works. If someone considers that lame, that's ok. Everybody is free to not join the table. That's the reason I say it during session zero. This was also in reply to 3.14 Dragon, who mentioned "issues with player killing", and it is a perfectly viable alternative, just like the one you presented. TBH I must say, In my experience as a player and GM/DM, I am yet to find anyone who would have fun in getting a PC killed by another. Even when we were teenage newbs, testing the possibilities of an RPG, and PVP'ing whenever we had the slightest chance, killing each other would result in frustration and in-and-out of character drama. Thing is, if you kill a PC in a session, don't be surprised if someone accuses you of being a d1ck.
You could make all of their characters plot essential, and then every time one of them dies it sets the party back to the point that either: A; they stop needlessly killing each other Or B; the rest of the party bands together to stop them, either by force or guile.
There is one actor in my game, he likes doing voices but he is quite respectful for the other people in the group and doesn't hog the spotlight. It's another two players that seem to do that with their arguing and one of them keeps on trying to screw over the party. With his most recent character he keeps trying to lead us into big fights that will TPK is. I've already warned him that if he tries anything stupid in the next couple of sessions I'm going to throw him off the mountain lol.
@@LupineShadowOmega Oh fuck me. Anyone who feels like they have the say that, 9 times out of 10, is just using it as an excuse to be a dickweasel and/or screw over the party.
"DM, since I broke my mask in the vision, did I break it in real life?" "Do you want to be dramatic?" "I'm Ari, the spinner of songs, dammit, of course I want to be dramatic!"
My favorite time handling a character who was doing something was I had a player who for whatever reason couldn't buy a map form A regular shop keeper he already met and had to look around this small back wood town for a map making npc To mess with him I made a map salesmen who completely hated his job and was very short answered. My player kept rolling insight and could never figure out what was up with him. When really all it was was he hated his job, and his boss who made the maps who made him stand around dressed up as a map selling maps to adventures. Literally everytime he came through that town he reinvestigate the sales guy thinking he was hiding something huge lol
Ah players thinking there is something huge to something tiny is freaking hillarious. I had one player who found out a few people had disapeared from different houses. He found a teleportation cirklet and could tell that whoever was in there had suddenly disappeared. It was one of the lords. He later found all of the lord's men, waitresses and guards dead behind a fake wall in the basement. Now it is kinda obvious what happened right? He was kidnapped and everyone else were killed..the thing was..for some reason he was never able to put two and two together and guess that being able to teleport from one location to another would also make you able to teleport back the other way around.. So he started believing the whole city was actually infiltrated by these people and that it was a huge plot that involved all the guards and even the other Lords since they hadn't seen anything. He investigated it for days before he finally saw someone teleport in then grab something and teleport out again before he just went "O..ohh..right..." It was fucking hillarious.
I’m definitely a light actor but it comes across strongly in my party cus everyone else is so quiet and I’ve had to take the role of the leader constantly asking for advice, despite my own thoughts, on what we should do which has done well to spark conversations between characters so far.
duck boi What about a good dnd player who’s also a bit of a rules lawyer? I try not to but sometimes my dark side gets the better of me and I just want to know why my lvl 1 spell doesn’t make me god... I mean... why not?
I'm totally an actor. I'm the kind of guy who plays a character in order to allow other players and especially the DM more playable options. I don't care about power, minmaxing, or even of the lifespan of my character, so long as it's fun and offers new options for the rest of the people on the table. Heck, my current character is a half orc fighter who used to be a poetry teacher because he was a failed poet.
I play at a Westmarch table with a Kenku player. We all have a blast with the strange friendship that developed between us, despite his lack of communication skills and my painfully dweeby gnome archeologist.
As a real life improv actor I take offense to this .lol all joking aside, I think im the type of "actor" that really gets into my role tho I don't actively trying and steal the spotlight, I just tend to get into situations where the center of attention comes to me. Due to playing odd and sometimes stupid fish out of water characters
@@countsnowyofgwainn3996 as an improv student, I'm in the same boat. I actively try not to overshadow anybody, but a few of my parties actively try to have me be the one to interact with NPCs, or push my characters' buttons. One of our most enjoyable sessions was when our rogue was disguised as a member of my Paladin's order, trying to get me to go into a forest with no weapons nor armor. He rolled amazingly high deception, so I yes anded it to the point where I got into an argument with another party member that was trying to convince my Pally that the situation was suspicious.
When you're the only actor, among a group of people, that don't actually care about the game... It hurts... Update: I am now stuck as forever DM, because after my halloween one shot, noone else wants to DM, because I'm "the only one that's doing it right!"
I feel you, some people in my party refuse to get the PHB saying “I don’t have to get EVERY SINGLE BOOK” when they don’t have anything except for their dice. They also said they didn’t have to make a personality, telling me their personality was “Lawful Good” Sometimes actors are just trying to spice up the game.
The problem with a lot of "actors" in this sense is that they're not actually actors and therefore play super one dimensional characters believing them to be filled with depth just because they made some elaborate backstory but they never actually stop to think of the small things like, what the character finds funny, their favourite foods, drink, pastimes etc. that give you more of an idea of who the character actually is and how you should play them than "My entire family was once killed by Orcs so now I hate Orcs." Just like with the Devout Paladin example. Devout Paladin is perfectly fine. What people fail to understand in playing them is that if your god or your order believes something, even if it's not true, then you may end up doing bad things but believe them to be good. This is where alignment fucks up everything in D&D and makes literally no sense. Your order might think all Tieflings are devil spawn and abominations against nature. Therefore you, an otherwise Lawful Good Paladin, might kill them without any qualms because you believe they are evil and think you are doing good even though they're completely innocent, normal people like everyone else deep down. That's how real life actually works. Very few people do evil things for the sake of being evil. The problem with the Actor type is as I said, they actually can't act well and really put themselves in that person's shoes. They just have one dimensional ideas of how the character should act and therefore their responses to situations in-game are usually super over the top caricatures of how someone would actually act. They won't just be disgusted by Necromancy, they'll be like "If you use necromancy I'll have to kill you, it's what my character would do," but in reality it's not because if they did it, they'd have 2 or 3 other party members to fight then. People aren't generally idiots when it comes to stuff like that. Being Good does not mean you can't do bad things. Believing in redemption doesn't mean you try to save literally every monster and npc you encounter. Same goes for Rogues. "My role is to steal stuff, I steal stuff." And that's were the acting ends. It's just a one dimensional, shallow representation of some base trait. So they'll make out like their character would always try to steal and always be stealing everything in every store or from every npc etc. That's not how a real master thief operates. They're generally a lot smarter and more subtle than that. Pick their targets carefully. Run long cons etc. So the actual problem with the Actor type is often that they're not good at acting and just play silly, over the top caricatures that take everything literally and don't allow for any sense of nuance or change in their character as they play. It's a "My character is like this or believes this and that's final" outlook believing that that is good roleplaying when it's in fact the exact opposite. People change over time. Their views change through experience and exposure to the people that surround them.
The conversation on alignment begins with a definition of what the axis mean within the context of D&D and your table. My definition is that evil is something which is harmful or undesirable. Good is something that is beneficial or desirable. Order is a generalist mindset. Chaos is a situational mindset. The paladin in your example committed an obviously evil act by deciding to kill as a method of problem resolution. This would be true regardless of who or what the paladin killed. Many people who fight for good causes irl kill for a greater good while still recognizing that by doing so they are committing an evil act. Killing Hitler does not get you good karma points, objectively speaking, as you are just purging evil, using evil methods, not doing good. You don't get to decide the morality of your actions based upon the results, it is decided by their inherent merit. If you are unwilling to sufficiently define alignment of course it won't make sense.
@@flinfake there's no such thing as good or evil in the universe. It doesn't care one way or the other. Things are only made so by how we humans perceive them to be. In the past, eating meat on a Friday was a full on sin and could send you to hell according to the church. Now nobody gives a shit. If a paladin is good aligned and his entire order sees tieflings as the spawn of devils sent to earth to do their bidding, spawned by unholy deeds then of course that lawful good paladin will murder tieflings without much thought whilst also still technically fitting to be lawful good because what they're doing is considered good by them and perhaps by the greater world. Hence why I say alignment is dumb and messes things up because in dnd it's a factual thing that exists, not up for debate but yet it still is up for debate depending on the DM and players in question. If someone does a bad thing for a good cause but that thing is still bad as you say then no character in dnd should ever be of a good alignment as they murder countless creatures. Whether it's justified is all down to individual perception but in dnd it's not, it's supposed to be cut and dry except it isn't and we keep going in circles.
I think I'm a little of an Actor, though Storyteller describes me much better. But my friend is a 100% actor. He's now a ranger, and he already said long ago that he may actually decide once to kill someone of us. He even caused a war between our characters over a dragon wyrmling, because his backstory says he hates dragons. But I think it's awesome! It makes our whole campaing so much more fun. So Actor is a dangerous, but awesome player, in my opinion
Guilty as charged. I try not to kill a character unless it's like... they attempted to kill me or another party member first but i play this game for the roleplay and couldn't break character if I tried without feeling guilty about it
I'm an Actor, I play d&d to play a character. I come up with a character concept, and I try and make a d&d sheet out of it. And I get pissed off by characters that don't take roleplaying seriously (I can't describe it, it's like you have 1 quirk but no personality and your choices are actually the player's decision, not the character's knowledge), though I won't say anything, it's more of a pet peeve. Edit: JESUS FOOP!!! 30 LIKES, THAT'S THE MOST LIKES I HAVE.
I know what your talking about. Cause when I play, my party always just jokes and screws with stuff in the campaign and honestly it's annoying to me and the DM. I mean I understand having fun but they cross the line, all the time!
I love actor role player they give me so much happiness in dnd, i see dnd as characters developing, epic moments of granger and story telling with each person having a unique backstory and unique choices so having a actor is the best thing. So as a dm i thank you guys for being actors because you make this game more fun.
Roleplaying is the better part of fun for me, but I'm not actually as much of an actor as I would like. I'm too cautious at the moment. That part about interacting with NPCs? That's me, but if the DM isn't into it then I don't press for it. The Star Wars parody looked like fun to do.
I try to always to keep my characters within motivation.But i make way to many ooc jokes. I worry i get a lil obnoxious with both sides. I've never tried to stop anyone from doing anything cause i hate when its done to me and my trouble makers only cause trouble for themselves. Most players seem to enjoy playing with me.
The best part about having an actor at your table is that they don’t mind terrible things happening to their character as long as it makes for a good role playing moment
I'm an actor but I've found ways around some of my flaws. For example, as an actor I often love to try to talking before fighting. Sometimes this doesn't work out because my party members hate it. So I always work my characters so that their personality can be shown in combat too. Like my paladin I played recently, even though he often tried to talk out conflicts beforehand sometimes the barbarian would NOT be into that. So we came up with a system, I would always say a prayer to my goddess before killing. Occasionally I wouldn't even fight at all, during the battle I would just kneel and pray for forgiveness to my goddess. And as the game progressed this happened less and less because my paladin grew to trust his party members as much as his god. Later in the game he murdered someone in cold blood, not something he was supposed to be doing. He actually REFUSED to apologize to his goddess and stood up for his friends and party members choices as well as his own. He told the goddess quote "take me or leave me." She respected this honesty and loyalty so much that she bestowed a blessing on the ENTIRE PARTY! What I'm trying to say to my fellow actors, combat is: 1) combat is important and it CAN be filled with amazing roleplaying 2) don't kill your party members, find some other type of outlet (unless the player and DM have okayed it) 3) let your character grow and change with circumstance. Seriously, dnd is about making a living breathing world so don't let your character become static. 👍
Not only was I a newbie but also an actor and my DM knew it. , I played a fighter and drunken soldier, DM threw a Lady of the evening at me, turned out to be a vampire, rest of the party is waiting for me to go into combat. my thoughts, he is a soldier and he did pay his gold. rest of the players said good by, nice knowing you. DM says you wake up with 2 puncture wounds in your neck, minus 10 hit points and half your gold isgone. I asked did he have a good time ? DM said role for it . I critted. Rest of the players thought I was crazy. DM had me tagged by the vampire hooker, she became a spy, I was her mark. instead of trying to kill her for following me, I seduced her to the good guys side. She helped us win the campaign. Acting !!! Thank You !!!
I killed a character once without discussing it. He was kind of annoying throughout the campaign, but slowly started doing things that were more and more evil. My character was LG and didn't particularly like violence (not a killjoy tho... I even allowed everyone else to become vampires as long as they didn't do evil stuff). Came to a head when I was trying to cure people, and he was dicking around and killed this poor innocent civilian, so I took my Radiant mace and bashed him right in the face with a crit. I didn't *mean* to kill him, but I wasn't sad about it. He was kinda getting tired of the character anyway. One of my favorite D&D moments.
When I played for the first time my friend was playing "neutral rogue" which means he basically stolen from every-FUCKING-npc we came across. When he killed some npc that cought him red-handed I killed this guy character and sold his body to guards for a reward. He didn't play murder hobo ever again with me, so I guess there are reasons to kill party members from time to time
Why does each one of these videos always boil down to a rant? It's like no matter what type of players you have in your group, 95% of them will be bad :(
I’m just thinking about the people who probably see you dorks and wonder, “What the hell are they doing?!” I mean… I would totally want to join in but I can’t help but giggle.
I had answers for all of those hypothetical questions asked by the 'actor' in the shopkeeper interaction IMMEDIATELY. Guess I should be DMing. My improv skills be on point.
We had a paladin that made our campaign into a quest to convert everyone to his cult of Bane god of tyranny. It was the weirdest campaign I’ve ever been in but It was hilarious
Personally, I hate, HATE the “Actor” type of D&D players. They never break character and are always incredibly obnoxious to be around. I have NEVER had a single positive experience with this kind of player (No Joke). They always take it way too far and base everything on “what their character would do.” Having some light roleplaying is fine, but These players treat the game as though they are method acting, and when I want to talk straight to them, it’s practically impossible. Even when I provide some advice and/or recommendations, they refuse to do anything unless they have an in-character reason to do so, even though it makes no difference at all. _D&D is a Tabletop Game, not a Hollywood/Broadway Production involving improvisation._ If you like to excessively roleplay in D&D: whatever, more power to you. But keep your distance from me
I was really sad to read this. I wish you could have had a better experience. I'm an actor type and my favorite thing about the game (other than combat) is staying in character but doing insane mental gymnastics to alingn my characters motivations with the party because that makes it a better game. The FUN of being the actor is finding out how to make "what your character would do" helpful to the group, or if it does cause a little conflict maybe make it a light thing that can be solved in under 2 minutes and you can all have a laugh. If people make characters that escalate things to the point they try to kill party mates, I just ask them to leave. I have *ghasp * evil character in the works. She's not a murder hobo, just callously selfish - but even power hungry people need a possie. "These people may be a bunch of goody-twp-shoes but they're MY friends, I might as well help them do things that make them happy - it serves me better in the long run" Or a lizardfolk that's supportive of the party because they give him snacks and help him against scary monsters - a pack is strong when they work together. It doesn't have to be bad. I'm really sad to see that it often is.
@@jaxx1258 I'm sorry, but you REALLY DO NOT make it sound fun/interesting to play. I find it just an incredible waste of time to create an entire archetype in a game that is MEANT TO BE A GAME. If you were writing a novel or a screenplay, it makes sense to create full-fledged personalities to the characters you create. But a game that is meant to be played among a small group of people and where adventuring is central, creating a long, 3-page backstory to some character sheet just absurd.
Bards and interrogation...nah you dont need charisma to successfully interrogate someone. You just need intelligence...and red hot pokers, or a bottle of infinite water for fire based creatures.
I'm an actor when the times right, if everyone is just chatting at the table I won't stay in character and be a weirdo. Also totally agree, on the consent to kill.
1:14 I wish that would happen with my group, they double tap people to quickly and efficiently and never leaves anyone alive. I wonder why we are hitting all the traps.
im guilty of this. when i played a paladin our rogue recommended sneaking i told her "the light does not sneak nor does it hide" and ran forward with a battle cry alerting the enemy. almost killed us all.
@@RocKaFella57 Ironically enough, I ended up playing a paladin about a year after this, and he has yet to take a subclass. I'm gonna keep this option in mind.
I am the D and D with a campaign that treats the main quest as a side quest since I want each character to strive for their own goals whatever that is aligned to the main quest or something completely different. This causes a lot of drama in character and makes the experience really interesting as people get emotional about things that effects the character also it's really fun for everybody in the groups since they love making a backup character so PVP conflicts are not an issue XD
