As a retired aviation professional, I can give you a possible explanation of the aircraft shuddering. As the tow bar was unhooked from the tug, it’s possible that the tow bar was at an angle (not facing forward) and the nose landing gear actuator swiveled with the tow bar still hooked up hitting the the tug that was to the side of the nose landing gear. In other words, the tow bar moved 15-20 degrees contacting the tug which was now unhooked from the tow bar. No damage to the aircraft and the tugs are built to take a licking and keep on ticking.
That definitely seems the most likely. I’m guessing in this case there would be no need for the flight crew to inspect anything since any damage (if any) would have been to the tug. Thanks for that!
As a tug driver i'm almost certain it is something related to the tow bar and the tug coming into contact. Another option is that tug hit the towbar while it was still connected to the aircraft. This is possible as the tug is always disconnected from the towbar first. I've had towbars fail and in that case normally the aicraft will return to the bay and have a short inspection. Korean may have elected to do this inspection on the taxiway, thus the 25 min hold.
Thank you for your review! I wanted to note something about the lounges in the video (as I'm watching it). As you know, Korea is pretty... conglomerate-y anywhere you go. The 2 major airlines are currently owned by conglomerates, and the terminal you're in, Terminal 2, was built to satisfy the needs of one of the major airlines, Korean Air. Lounge spaces are set more inside the terminal itself, given the understanding of the architects that lounges are to serve, quite literally, as a relaxing space. Plus, Koreans have this tendency to love luxury things, and the view of luxury in Korea is defined as a department store: no windows, modern interiors, either grayscale colors or "luxury" colors (gold, royal blue, etc.). This is why you see so many Korean lounges that are located inside of the terminal without views of the apron or the runways, given the thought "Why pay to see out the window in a lounge when you can do that next to the gate?" I understand that Korean terminals also may look... empty. But for Koreans, our view of a "sleek, luxury, and modern" is what you're seeing right now. I think that what might have happened was the ULRs or the baggage underneath might have fallen, given that they're pretty heavy and could have not been secured properly (although that would be a major issue...). Also, in my view, the seat itself and the IFE are pretty outdated, and many people in Korea have said that the seat looks too old and tacky. All in all, thanks for a great review!
I'm not sure the design of ICN has much to do with Korean's view of luxury things. ICN was designed way back in the early 90s with focus a on functionality as a hub vs aesthetics. Design trends have since changed for airports.
@@johniii8147 Although that is true for the 1st terminal and the concourse, as a person who has flown out of both the 1st terminal, 2nd terminal, and the concourse, the 2nd terminal, which was built in the 2010s and finished at the start of 2018, was built with more white tones with contrasting dark blue tones compared to the 1st terminal. Design trends have changed, as you said, but the 2nd terminal itself is not that old compared to the 1st terminal. Design wise, the colors that they chose, white and near-black blue, clearly reflect on current fashion and luxury views of Korea :D
Kevin, we’ve watched you for sometime and my wife is sick of me turning to her and commenting about just how much I like your videos. You are by far the most professional RU-vidr we watch from an extensive list. Your presenting style in superb. Thanks for the informative and to the point viewing. Keep it up.
I think Incheon International Airport looks absolutely magnificent and deserves all the accolades that it gets. It looks spacious, airy, clean, glitzy and is certainly one of the top airports in the world.
Regarding the incident at 11:10, a similar situation happened to me in SFO with a 777, except we were still at the gate about to push back. The tugs' arm broke, causing that sound loud noise you heard. We waited 30 mins before another tug came and pushed us back. Nothing was wrong with the airplane itself. The captain came over the PA and told us that that's what happened.
Thank you for sharing you trip. First off, I agree with you about that noises there after your aircraft was pushed back. That was the truck that was tugging your aircraft back. And then the disconnect of the pole and the elevator platform letting the nose and front wheel down. I am glad no one hit the aircraft in an accident. Anyway, your Business Class seat looked nice. Ì am glad you did not have to climb over the seat partner when getting up. I am glad you touched the blanket to see how it felt. Yes, I think some airlines don't get some things right. Well, the meal service looked nice and yes, what was wrong with eating a traditional Korean airline meal. To me that was nice you selected because you wanted to have that. Finally, I agree with you about the Korean Lounge before the flight. I guess their design and location is a little bit different. Wow, I am glad you got out of there after you finished your shower. That crowd looked like way more people!!! My last point is did you go tovthe Korean airline lounge after your flight to see how that one would be fir just additional info for you?
Nice report. I was coming off a DL frlight from SEA and connecting to this same KE 645 flight to SIN back in May. However, I was in Economy and it was a decent flight and the meal was surprisingly good. We had air vents back in cattle class. I do agree with you that the gate areas at ICN have alot of space but nothing else.
You can literally recognize ICN Terminal 2 as a wider, quieter, cleaner and more modern space. Instead, the disadvantage is that there are not many entertainment facilities, duty-free shops, restaurants, and regularly conducted cultural experience spaces concentrated in Terminal 1. Anyway, if you're going to spend a lot of waiting time at the airport, moving to Terminal 1 and staying there is a better option in many ways.
… always interesting, informative and entertaining, Kevin .. I like the way you’re developing your production style… thanks for your hard work before, during, and post production.. 🙏.
Hey Kevin, another fantastic video. I didn't comment on your first Costa cruise video but I also really enjoyed that. We have only cruised with RCL, and we love them, going upwards in their loyalty program and they are amazing with the kids. I really like the apex seats too, its too bad more airlines don't use them, heard someone comment previously that they're quite a bit more expensive but that is high density business class done right!
I have RCL videos coming out later this year. Best thing about their loyalty is the status match with Celebrity (or perhaps, best thing about Celebrity haha). Was my first RCL but had Diamond from day one and got a ton of value out of the 4 Drink Coupons per day. Thanks for watching 🩴
Oh! Good to know. We'll get there with C&A one day I'm sure. We have loved RCL but found recently their cost cutting is effecting service, we did an 8 night back in March and it wasn't 100%. Would love to status match to Celebrity and try them out! I'm going to watch your Costa part 2 next haha
It happened to me twice, tug bar incident, both times , on US Air and NW, Captains explained the incidents, maintenance rep completed a visual inspections. KE pilots should have explained this incident, I was quite surprised that they didn’t. ICN -GRU airports quite similar indeed. Love the review HUD at the jetway was a great touch !! Happy Landing’s Amigo
Crazy to me that I know for sure I was the only pax in the business class cabin that even asked crew- before we took off at least… Perhaps they all already knew they’d be lied to hahaha. Thanks as always for the support!
I find ICN a very well thought out airport. Its just so easy. Perhaps that's why they're ranked so highly. Truly some of the best seats in the sky. Man that bang sounded very intense. That shook the entire wing and engine!
Easy, ok. But it's so boring lol. I don't need activities, but at least give me an assortment of lounges, some *unique* shops... or at least a comfortable place to sit! Thanks for watching 🩴
@@tfftIf you like complexity, try the airlines that use Terminal 1. Terminal 2 is used by only 8 airlines. All other airlines use Terminal 1. Everyone has different tastes, but I prefer Terminal 2, which is quiet and fast in immigration control.
Seoul is amazing but the hustle bustle of people around it really fascinates me! 😮Your vlogs are really good, glad I am an early subscriber, soon you will have in thousands. Like and support from Bangalore
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 *I experienced this pretty scary event sometime ago at San Francisco International Airport: We heard a loud bang and then we felt our B737 shudder pretty hard* *Minutes later we heard banging outside our plane. Uh, oh!* 😲 *It turned out a luggage cart hit the side of our B737 and the banging was an attempt by mechanics to repair whatever damage that was done to our plane* *Our flight to Los Angeles was eventually canceled because the mechanics could not fix the damage on time* *Luckily there was another flight to LAX that was leaving shortly and we were all quickly transferred to that flight using our original boarding passes* *I bet somebody was written up* 😬
Still don’t understand which comments many people thought were so harsh lol. It was a nice flight, I had almost only good things to say. Thanks for watching 🩴
The reason that ICN is ranked so HIGH. Is because it’s extremely fast and very functional.Not because it has lot of option. It’s really well organized.But I have to agree that it could be quite boring… there’s no attractions that will catch your eyes… As for the lounge Koreans usually like modern designs. Some Koreans consider UAE luxury airlines quite tacky LOL. Excuse my English. I’m a Korean
I absolutely love your videos! I wish my flight reports would be as great! 😂😂😂 I have good memories of flying Korean Air, my only flight with them was a LAX-GRU, in a 77W economy class in 2015. Sadly the airline doesn’t serve this part of the world anymore. I must say I find it amusing that you thought ICN reminded of GRU’s T3😂. Being from São Paulo, I guess this comparison is good for us!? Maybe… And your next flight report seems to bee from BKK to ?? on Thai Airways Business. I’ll guess PVG on the A350. We’ll see! Thanks for another great report Kevin, I’m a fan!!
Tbh I prefer GRU. I think the big boxy structure looks much better with GRU’s industrial vibe compared to ICN’s attempted “pretty” vibe lol. So far so good with your guess, not PVG though. Thanks for watching 🩴
Imho, Incheon is much more efficient than Changi. They don’t have the awful gate security and everything is very fast. It’s basic but efficient and clean
been looking forward to this one, thank you for yet another fantastic video. Also I'm not a cruise guy but you did a comprehensive and fantastic first cruise review!
Kevin, you are always at the right place at the right time. This is why your video is so interesting! 😆 Glad it was nothing serious and your flight can continue! I think Incheon airport is good for shopping but it definitely lacks other activities, unlike Changi.
You could have had a hot or a hung start. A hot start is when have to much fuel going into the engine on start and a hung is when you have the wind is blowing up the exhaust and the engine has a hard time starting Normally the tug will stay.attached to the plane until they're cleared to taxi to the runway so if the flight is cancelled they can push it right to the gate
Thanks for the video. I'm hoping that Korean Air will have a service to Melbourne soon. At the moment, there's only a service to Sydney. How far ahead do you book your flights and do you get very good prices?
That thud definitely sounds like something that shoul've been heard during landing, not pushback. For the fa to say that its normal, i would've felt uneasy myself
Look like Oman air pushed this kind of seat to the highest level: best finishes, color, design, longest bed, 2nd widest best/seat. Thank you for all infors.
It was the cargo. Sometimes the cargo ground latch didnt latch properly and they slide and hit the rear wall of the cargo hold. My 13 years with fedex tells me this. Or a huge, like piano sized cargo fell out of cargo palette.
I've still got amenity kits unused from about 1999, you never know when you might need an emergency pair of grey socks, eye shades or toothbrush with mini Toothpaste that's probably way past it's expiry date 😂
I mean, maybe…? But, in a situation like that, you’d think someone from the flight deck might just be curious to go look for themselves, no? Lol I sure would have liked to 😅
Just flown KoreanAir from Amsterdam to Brisbane one in first class and one in business class I can vouch for lots of things you have said the Lounge was very difficult to find lots of seats but not much to eat and Incheon airport was fairly underwhelming with insufficient english signage. The number one thing I loved was the air crew staff. They were phenomenal so polite and obliging I could not fault them.
I think the loud thump must've been from the sabre tiger rattling in its cage in the freight area of the plane. Sometimes you just can't keep a tiger down 🐅🐯 Maybe it was feeding time
Really excellent video. When it comes to the 2-3-2 Prestige Class sleeper seats/suites and helpful for a family of 4-6 since you can have the entire row to your family or in some cases split. When I did Prestige Class Korean Air B777-200/ER December 17th 2006 My ivy league Brother and Mother are across from me since I had the Aisle seat with two Korean bussinessmen sitting on the middle and 2nd Aisle. 2nd brother and father are on the window and aisle seat across from him.
Good review with very steady photography as you moved around the terminal. I might almost think you used a steady-cam. Food, again, looked good but I don't like to see ice-cream served in the manufacturer's packaging in a premium cabin. There, a high-end comment after our mushy peas spat yesterday. 😊
Thanks for your criticisms of Korean Air and ICN. If Korea wants to keep bragging that their airlines and airport are the best in the world, they need to step it up and look at what other truly world-class airlines are doing. In my opinion, ICN is not comparable to Singapore Changi or Doha Hamad in any way. A lounge at the airline's home without any windows is unacceptable. The only reason why Korean Air is staying afloat despite their very high prices is because of Koreans who tend to be very loyal and refuse to fly on any other airline.
Great review! Have you ever considered visiting China for a trip? I think you’ll like Sanya. To me it felt like the Chinese equivalent of Bali or Phuket.
Of course, late last year I was saying “give China some time to get back into the swing of things” and now I’m saying “give China’s prices some time to come back down to reality” 😂 The cost of flying from, in or to China at the moment is just absurdly expensive (relatively speaking). Will hopefully make it back there next year.
it could be that the tow bar could have broken. i have experienced this on american airlines from LGW to DFW. they had attached the wrong tow bar and it broke when they tried to tow the plane. there was the same noises and bang
i feel that asiana might do better with korean air’s shortcomings, i’m not sure also i look forward to you video on philipine airlines and your taipei videos! stay safe!
Yeah, but (I didn’t mention in the video) at no point while we were out there were the cargo doors reopened for an inspection. You’d think they’d want to tie everything down before flying 😅 Thanks for watching 🩴
I just flew this route (but on the old 2-3-2 777 without aisle access). I assume no amenity kit is provided intra-Asia? I didn't get one, you didn't mention one in your video either.
The only carriers I know of that give amenity kits on intra (east) asian routes are JL and NH but they are specific pouches just for regional flights. Thanks for watching 🩴
Never flown Prestige but it doesn't seem like much to write home about. Even the lie-flat seat does not come with a pad. Not worth 5X - 10X the price of economy on KA, which is very good.
Korean airlines dont seem to invest in lounges for some reasons.. it is shame compared to other airlines in East Asia. In terms of terminal2, you are not missing out anything. It is certainly a large facility without many shopping and dining options, not even small kiosks between gates heading to the each end.. as an aficionado of airport bars in US, I am insisting on installing few of them to many friends working in the airport management company(nationalized company by the way), burearcracy would not allow such thing to be opened, much like the reason why incheon does not have fast track lane.. haha I am surprised to hear that crashing noise from the aircraft(possibly). I am also surprised to hear that other passengers did not “protest” or even ask about it.
Yeah personally I wish the lounges were a bit more “grand” or had better views. But, I’m likely not their target demo, so 🤷🏼♂️ haha. Thanks for watching 🩴
It's an Asian thing, understated and conservative is our style. Even if you look at the lounges of Japanese and Taiwanese airlines, its the same story. They definitely add a lot more colour and design motives into their aircraft cabins.
Japanese lounges I’d agree, but at least they have windows. Taiwanese lounges though I’d have to disagree. China Airlines and Starlux are quite modern and EVA is borderline gaudy lol.
@@magnustan841 comparing Korean lounge with Japanese and Taiwanese is an insert to those lounges in Japan and Taiwan…. Especially considering what they are offering.. it is not a matter of being conservative and understating but what is offered in front of each of us..
I've seen a video showing several possible activities at Incheon Airport, but I haven't seen those in person either. Maybe they are in terminal 1, but why does the biggest Korean airline not use terminal 1 then?
Wonder why they are weak in Australia. That was scary! Don’t worry, it’s normal??? Glad you followed the plane to see if there were cutie issues. Your food selections looked appealing. I I really enjoyed your review.
At least, captain is supposed to inform to all passengers on board. Without Flight deck update, flight attendant just said what? "IT'S NORMAL." that was 100% unprofessional and insincere answer. I can simply imagine they tend to not sharing issues even if all passengers are supposed to know and they might give you alternative excuses most of time. Thank you for the video!
At some point, when you fly as much as I do, you just need to trust the systems they have. Not always comfortable but, I’m certainly not a pilot so my mouth will remain shut haha. Thanks for watching 🩴
Nope, this is an ER (HL7202)- the registration number is always in my opening graphic card. To my knowledge their non-ERs all have their old J cabin. Thanks for watching 🩴
Yes Kevin I do agree with you on ICN being a cold large place with furnishings to boast, very much like how PEK or PVG makes me feel. Not too sure why they are rated so highly, lack of quality airline and third party lounges, coupled with the lack of any particularly useful airport amenities means arriving early makes less sense. This is no SIN, HKG or even HND for that matter. Though I have say the ICN Airport express is a great feature though.
Delta flights from USA to Asia operated by Korean air 😢. Delta should offer discounts if operated by Korean air. Meals, their airplanes and services are downgraded. I miss delta's meals, airplanes and in-flight services.
No, I take great pleasure in staying as far away from Meta as possible 😅 I do post on my community tab here on RU-vid every other day though. Thanks for watching 🩴
I not flown KAL at all, let alone in business. But I can't get over the color of those seats. If I just saw the seat and didn't know it was in a modern business class setup, I would think it was a seat from the 1960's, and not in a good way. One of the ugliest business class cabins IMO.
Loved your honest report on Korean air and ICN T2! Seems like Korean Air's not keeping up with their competitors like ANA or SQ. There were some issues here in Korea several months ago when retired staffs and flight attendants made a whistleblowing that KE is making excessive cost cuts, sacrificing the service quality. I believe that caused setbacks everywhere, including in flight meals and lounge services.
Thanks for the review - all in all I find KE to be underwhelming when comparing it to other Asian carriers JL NH and SQ and that shudder/ drop would have made me so uncomfortable for the entire flight unless it was addressed by the Flight crew - no sleeping for me 😁
