These are the Korg factory patches, they are freely available on the Internet, for example here www.pallium.com/bryan/dwpatches.php or here www.dw8000.com/downloads.html
The synth I will never sell, never get rid of. When I needed more space, I sold my JX-3P with the PG-200 programmer and kept this. Probably the most precious, unique, gorgeous hybrid poly. Special era of Korg, extremely undervalued.
This is one of the synths on my wishlist, as well as the DX7, PPG Wave 2.3, Synclavier, Juno-60, and Prophet-5. The sound at 10:25 sounds very much like a PPG Wave. For a couple hundred bucks, the Korg DW-8000 is totally worth the money!
One of the reasons it can sound somewhat similar to a PPG is the auto bend selectable for both or just one of the oscillators. This detuned bend that the PPG achieved via the third AD envelope, is a trademark for that synth. Korg were clever to implement that feature.
I love my DW8000. Got my first one from "Yello" but it was broken... now i love my second one to death. Im using it massively on every project im working on. I also made some very nice sounds...
I bought one of these keyboards at a yard sale for $15. I knew the keyboard did not work, but I thought maybe theres a way to fix this thing. Thats when I found out about the battery and downloading the data. I look for to this classic synthesizer making music again! Thank you for sharing the keyboard sounds!
I got mine for about 75 euro. Did not work but I had an idea it might just be the battery. I took a gamble and replaced the battery and the damn thing works absolutely perfectly. I love it. Even more than my JX3P and JX10.
My very first synth back in 1986 and I've been a Korg loyalist ever since. I had it for about ten years, until I sold it to build a studio based on a Trinity, a Z1, a couple of Wavestation modules, a couple of TR Racks and eventually a couple of Tritons. Love my Korgs!!
@@summerlaverdure Still here 😄 Hybrid synths have been making a come back, just sold one because the filters are a bit bland, but I’m keeping the DSI Prophet X.
@@RikMaxSpeed DSI makes wonderful synths. Have to say I might have jumped the gun cheerleading for the modwave. I'm hoping it will capture some of the beauty of the DW8000 but with the trailer video being poorly mixed and the livestream being absolutely awful, I'm holding out until I see a RU-vidr demo it
I still have mine from 30 years back. Still works, but it always seemed to have problems playing nice with other MIDI instruments. It was notorious for MIDI lock up during performance. That being said, it was a really nice thick sounding synth.
This is an 80's classic. It's real strength is the resonant Analog filter. The later M1 had all of the same oscillator waveforms, an even better effects section, and was multi-timberal. But the M1 only had non-resonant digital filters, so some of the analog sounds of the DW-8000 are hard to reproduce. The iPad and VST versions of the M1 have resonant filters, so they can come much closer to this sound.
After that, it was the KingKorg that offered all the DW waveforms, but this time using Virtual Analog models of a few famous filters (Moog, Prophet5, Oberheim, SH-101, MS-20, and it own original filters). Although not as nice as real analog filters and overall circuits in general, it comes darn close to it, even including a parameter for the level of analog chaos you want to add. So it's a great successor. But nowadays, the new ModWave follows this path and goes much further. Digital DW waveforms (and more new ones) going through digital VA filters, except that these are even more realistic that in the KK, since the algorithms have improved since then, following a big push by Korg to enhance their offering in that domain. The ModWave also has much improved overall functions and possibilities.
Awsome instrument! Listening to these sounds brings tears to my eyes, as it reminds me of my old KORG Poly-800. I wish I never sold it many years ago...
SoldierOfSunrise I’ve owned both and other than a similar interface they sound nothing alike. So not sure why that would be the case. 8000 blows the Poly out of the water.
In many ways, it could be argued that the Korg DW8000 was actually the first rompler with built in digital effects thanks to those 16 DWGS waveforms and the built in digital delay that also allows for chorusing, flanging and stereo doubling.
I bought an Emulator 2 in 85 and had just enough money in the budget for a companion keyboard to the EMU. I think I rented this synth for 2 years lol. I loved it, the EMU handled the sampled sounds and this baby did all he rest! In 85 this was a killer combo! Haha
Better than the DX7, D50, and M1 taken altogether! Probably not a fair comparison since the DW8000 is a hybrid analog-digital but fair enough to express my awe of this incredible instrument. Looking for an item in pristine or excellent condition.
we helped my High school music teacher pic out a new synth then end of senior year we choose a DW-8000 unfortunately we did not get to play it much but the next years class had a blast with it
Fred Payette I had a blast assigning the filter cutoff to aftertouch - I could play one note and just push harder and softer on the key for hours, especially through a huge delay and reverb...
Beautiful sounds. This is part of my collection of hybrids, which includes the ESQ, K3, and DSS-1. All great overlooked synths. With the BCR-2000 you can do all the programming via dedicated knobs. I need to replace all the felt on my DW....the keys are really noisy right now.
I had one of these briefly. I think I traded it for a Yamaha DX-21. The thing that stuck with me most about it was that it had the least noisy outputs of any keyboard I'd tried at that point...most other keyboards had at least a very slight hum or other noise. Maybe I'm just thinking about headphone outputs...or thinking what a noisy PoS the Roland MT-32 was! ;-)
i heard they used the dw 8000 oscillator as the foundation for the microkorg.yep same osc. if that is the case id still say that the dw 8000 has alot more appeal, well to me
chemosis The MicroKorg comes with the same set of 16 DWGS (Digital Waveform Generator Synthesis) waveforms next to the more traditional subtractive synth waves but it's completely digital and sounds quite different from the DW. The same sound can be found in the Korg DSS-1 though, which is a 12 bit sampler and basically a beefed up version of the DW-8000.
To me, cutting out a resonant filters on their M and forward 90s models was, if not a commercial suicide since they sold widely, a pity. It would have given an added power to them....
My thoughts exactly regarding Korg's crazy decision to omit resonance from the digital filters of the M, T, O, X and N series AI and AI2 instruments right up to them implementing the fantastic multi band resonant filters in the Trinity in 1995.
monsterjazzlicks I haven't done really extensive research, but there's a couple of things to mention. The DW-8000 started using a combination of digitally sampled waveforms in addition to the usual analgo wave synthesis. That provides waveforms (and sounds) that are difficult or perhaps impossible to create with the analog synthesis capabilities of a synth priced at this point. The DW-8000 also adds built-in digital delay effects which makes it sound fuller and adds more possibilities for use in sound design.
Ivan Torres Thank you. Yes, onboard DELAY will have certain added a LOT for that era of synth! Do you know if you could COMBINE the ANALOG and DIGITAL WAVEFORMS to create a HYBRID?
monsterjazzlicks It has two oscillators that can be set to different waveforms, octave and detune bewteen them. The same amplitude and filter envelopes apply to both at once. The digital samples corespond more or less to instrument families, strings, ac piano, e piano, brass, e bass, ac bass, etc. If you want the manual pm an email address. :-)
Yes, it has analog filters for each of voices. The added really handy and utilitarian Arp and digital delay make this a must over the dw600. If you get the Kiwi Techniques Patch Editor, it makes this an even more open and fun instrument to dive deeper within for sound design madness! The filters are simply stunning!
got a mint one for 300$ cad ...put it through a polara digitech reverb , jx8p through a specular reverb v2 =so good-buy one if you can....it is awesome
These are the Korg factory patches, they are freely available on the Internet, for example here www.pallium.com/bryan/dwpatches.php or here www.dw8000.com/downloads.html
+Joshua Day Hi, Joshua, to add to your explanation, I think Chris wanted to know what the second poly button is for. Using the first Poly button, the eight voices of polyphony are always deployed cyclically (1,2, 3, 4, etc); the second Poly mode is by key stroke usage and the first polyphony voice is always used first - if you strike two keys, then voices 1 and 2 will be played; if three notes, 1,2,3 will play and so on. This is on the manual, by the way, under the "Key Assign" section.
i like that sound from the minute 11: 55 to 12:15...i really love that voice......makes me remind the end of the movie "heat"...when robert de niro get shoot and he die.....
+speedtribejp I put this squarely in analog territory. A lot of great synths in the mid 80s were digital/analog "hybrids" like this and the beastly Roland JX8P, but since they didn't have knobs people classed them as digital. To me it's the filters that determine the tonal quality, and this has analog VCF all the way. If you think of synths the way you think of guitars, the oscillators are like "strings" and the filters are like the "body". They both contribute to the overall sound, but it's the body & craftsmanship of a guitar that gives it its characteristic tone, not the kind of strings you use. Loosely, I think this can be applied to synth architecture. You hear people talk a lot about filters, and rightly so. That's the synth's personality.
rickyzig, the JX8P is actually fully analogue, using DCO's. The waveforms can be modified just as any other analogue oscillator can be. The DW6000/ 8000 uses digital (non modifiable) waveforms, kind of like samples, and then run through analogue VCA/ VCF's. For sure, the filter can have a big impact on the sound, which is one reason the DW series sounds so good because Korg gave it a wild filter that can very easily go into self oscillation. Meanwhile, Roland used a lot of (slow) software generated EG's in the 8P and its filter was somewhat tame, which gave it a rather muddy and sluggish feel. Ironic that the 8P is fully (DCO) analogue yet the DW sounds more analogue at times despite its initial sound generation being purely digital.. Roland did go the digital waveform/ analogue filter route with the Alpha Juno 1 and 2, but then ditched analogue to concentrate on fully digital synths (D50 etc.) Few other manufacturers tried the digital waveform/ analogue filter route sadly, mainly because of the success of the DX7 and that the market was demanding fully digital synthesis. Casio did venture into similar territory with their HT series (700/ 3000/ 6000), and their FZ series samplers used digital sampling (and some basic synth waveforms) and ran them through a fully analogue filter. I believe the Ensoniq ESQ1/ SQ80 models also used a similar sound architecture to the Korg DW's too. Definitely the filter can really make a sound, but the initial sound generation source can have a big impact also, which is why many classic analogues sound so rich (when fully working) in comparison with later digital synths. It is a combination of all aspects of the signal path that make the sound good or bad, and I agree that the filter can make or break the sound, but without a good sound source to begin with the best filter in the world will not be able to make it sparkle.
+Chas D I stand corrected! I forgot, yes, the Korg DW uses digitally sampled waveforms whereas the Roland JX uses DCO analog sawtooth, pulse & square waves. I used to have a DW 6000 but loaned it to a friend 10 years ago and never got it back :/ You are also correct about the murky JX filters which sound incredible for pads and dark sounds but lack the crisp punch of the DW. But worth checking out is a JX-8P video by geerefamilyusa. He somehow programmed the JX to sound as punchy as a Jupiter (check out the leads and Rhodes pianos toward the end of his video). Anyway, both the Korg DW and the Roland JX are great synths from the end of the 80s analog era. They're often overlooked, but so many great 80s songs used them both. One day the world will remember.
Yes, but few people know that the DW-8000 waveforms are constantly cycling even when you don't press a note. That's why you have this constant movement to the sound. Every press of a key will start each wave from a different point. Same thing that a real analog oscillator would do. It's also true that there's a small phase difference between the voices, that makes them sound different to each other. That's another reason it sounds so much analog, better than many full analogs out there. It's not only the analog filter and the envelopes, but also the oscillators that have their own charm. What a wonderful synth this one!!! Happy owner here :)
Love my Dw-8000 and my Juno-106 ....Roland keyboard is better quality but both are great to use when controlling my Dark Star , MS2000 , Waldorf and other desktop synths.....
A wonderful underated synth that can be bought for very little money nowadays, only problem with it, the arpeggiator, delay, and LFO cannot be sync'ed.........at least not without mods.
Amazing how alive its sound is. Does it have some sort of FM? (in comparison with Poly 8OO that has no) Also the fact that the keys are velocity-ed makes the patches way more spirited! (Enjoyed your themes by the way again)
These are the Korg factory patches, they are freely available on the Internet, for example here www.pallium.com/bryan/dwpatches.php or here www.dw8000.com/downloads.html
No - just similar chords. Rising Sun was done on Vox Continental, you can check here -> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PvLy1NqscJE.html
Larry Wilson The Korg has analogue filters and amplifier, but the 'oscillators' are entirely DIGITAL WAVEFORMS (the "DW" in DW8000! ;-) ) - effectively they are samples. The JX-3P is one of the last DCO true analogue synths (it uses digitally CONTROLLED analogue oscillators). With the DW, you can't change much in terms of the oscillator waveforms shapes, whereas with the JX you can change all aspects of the waveforms via the envelope generators. That saying, the DW can still produce very powerful analogue type sounds as well as digital, but don't dismiss the JX-3P because once you get programming (most of the pre-sets are weak) it too can be a bit of a beast. As to who wins? Neither. Each has their strengths. The Korg has numerous digital and analogue sounding 'waveforms', built in delay, arpeggiator, poly and unison modes and a wild (analogue) filter. The JX-3P has dual oscillators (detunable), Osc Sync mode, a built in (poly) sequencer and full control over the oscillator envelopes. There are also upgrades for the JX-3P (KIWI 3P, ORGANIX) that can completely change it into a very powerful analogue beast with full CC and MIDI control over all parameters and extra features (poly and unison modes, arpeggiators, extra patch storage, extra LFO's, greater control of some parameters etc.) Add a MIDI box controller to the upgrade and you can instantly tweak every parameter instantly (though it's not too hard to program using the parameter at a time system that's virtually the same as the DW, or with the optional Roland PG 200 patch controller box). Currently the JX-3P prices are slightly higher than the DW8000 (and creeping ever higher as all prices of analogue gear goes silly), making the DW more of a bargain at present. One last thing I would add is that I have both synths, and as good as the DW is, it's the JX-3P that gets more use because it has that extra special something inside. I guess some would call it analogue soul, but for me it's a more satisfying synth to delve into and play.
Chas D ...thanks for the info --- but maybe? you can "change" more in the DW as both envelopes are 6 stage as opposed to the more standard ADSR ones in the JX --- s --- both are classic for sure
