Kosen Judo techniques not found in Jiu Jitsu (Joichi Hirao) 

I agree

Thank you

You have to learn someone else language and respect the culture. We can overcome the language barrier because of that.

@@-oanMinhNhat English is the lingua Franka. It's neither of these guys' native language

That was years ago, the landscape of the martial arts world changed a lot. Many great Jiu Jitsu figures giving homage to Judo nowadays, people now are more aware.

They will say the gracies “invented” it for weak people.

yeah most high level BJJ guys cross train in Judo now and vice versa.

I'm tired of it too. Kosen judo is as good or better than BJJ in a gi but gets no credit.

Exactly what they did with Judo proper.

You got it

Going for the armbar from back control is risky against high level grapplers because you're abandoning dominant position; something that has always been heavily emphaszied in BJJ. The front triangle just isn't easy to land against BJJ guys. There's too much situational awareness. In Judo, both attacks are often used because there's so little time given for ground-work , and opponents will turtle to stall the match. A lot of submissions are rushed in Judo because of this. You have to get it as fast as you can, and to be honest, ne-waza defense is not that great in Judo. It's more about defending until it gets restarted than a systematic defending, and then progressing with your own attack.

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Thank you

@star35mm I'm glad to hear because judo is complete we should be good at top and ground game

I don´t understand why to this day many judokas (mostly japanese) neglect ne waza.

@star35mm Tsunetane Oda was right, randori should be 50 % nage waza and 50 % ne waza. Many japanese practitioners of Judô (Kododan or Olimpic) train a lot of ne waza but are still the minority, i hope in the future they will follow Tsunetane Oda´s thinking. I think Kodokan Judô should be 50 % randori (ne waza and nage waza) and 50 % self defense (kata form with grappling and atemi movements).

@@trashbasementproductions223 What you are saying is completely not true. Japanese female athletes have far more wins in Newaza than in Tachiwaza. They have 77 wins in Newaza but 41 wins in Tachiwaza at the Olympics and World Championships from 2015 to 2021. Conversely, male athletes have 27 wins in Newaza but 81 wins in Tachiwaza. Men just don't have to rely on Newaza as heavily as female athletes do because their chances of winning in Tachiwaza are far greater than those of women.

I think Yuki Nakai brought Asano-gaeshi to BJJ after UFC1. Asano-gaeshi is a Kosen Judo sweep.

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Unfortunately no filming was allowed during practice

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Nj-nH05diIY.html

I wanna know the technique as well

I need to train it more, perhaps in the near future

I’ll check

Agreed.

There’s potential

​ @Chadi Seeing a kosen judo specialist in a grappling no gi tournament would be a big step for worldwide recognition and authenticity of this discipline. It would be really wonderful to revive the technicality of Masahiko Kimura demonstrated during his fight against Helio. The kosen could add leg locks which would make the fighters much more dangerous. Kosen judo seeks more to control its opponent by putting pressure through Osaekomi-Waza techniques. and to combine or make transitions with Shime-Waza and Kansetsu-Waza techniques. Example (Yoko-Shiho-Gatame with udegarami) I think that's the great strength of this art. It doesn't just seek arm or leg locks like Brazilian jujitsu does. The fight between khabib and rafael dos sanjos was a very good example. For me, the biggest achievement would be to have kosen judo specialists teaching grappling to UFC fighters.

@@yopyop8175 for now the problem remains the same, they want to keep it in the seven universities only

@@yopyop8175 Kikuda Kanae fought in ADCC he won 88kg no gi tournament.

I know Brazilian BJJ coach taught this technique in the late 20th century.

someone asked him that question with this link, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Nj-nH05diIY.html&ab_channel=BernardoFariaBJJFanatics and he said thats not it, i think thats the same technique

No, this is classical, the one I saw in practice was different, it just obliterates the turtle not filter through. No filming was allowed unfortunately.

And ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5Reizn_7FkM.html

@@Chadi thx for the reply. Yeah the way the guy was talking in the linked video it sounded like that technique was known among kosen judo. It's unfortunate they don't allow recordings but understandable if it's for competition. Maybe you could do your best to recreate it with a partner while recording or is this a situation where that would be frowned upon? Don't want you to get into any trouble. Love your channel by the way, keep up the great work!

@@Dang3rMouSe sure! I’ll try my best, thank you

@@Chadi im way curious to see you try to recreate it also

He didnt use iit,he only learmed kodokan judo which were the same thing at the time in the early 1920s.

The guy that trained the gracies was technically standard Judo BUT mostly trained with the ground guys that later formed Kosen judo- Judo from 1890s-1924 was going more towards newaza til Kano stepped with more rules against it.

@@teovu5557 kodokan was newaza heavy at the time maeda was in Japan so thats what he learned.What he taught inbrazil was a very narrow subset of that along with self defence.

@@scarred10 He trained with Yukio Tani(student of Mataemon Tanabe who was the guy wrecking Kodokan in Newaza) and newaza experts Taro Miyake and Sadakazu Uyenishi.

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