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Magnus Carlsen Titled Tuesday (8th November, 2023)
Magnus gets completely busted 2900 rated opponent
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@olavpettersen9465
@olavpettersen9465 27 дней назад
"Let's hope I'll get some easier opponents like Magnus maybe". That's too funny.
@vickmackey24
@vickmackey24 26 дней назад
😂
@LivePassingGames
@LivePassingGames 26 дней назад
It would be so funny if it wasn't so sad
@TechMaestro-rs9ti
@TechMaestro-rs9ti 24 дня назад
😂😂
@igbc176
@igbc176 22 дня назад
so sad and regreatable actually
@ThePaullam328
@ThePaullam328 21 день назад
Few days later after playing against Magnus: Okay let's do the procedure
@BlanBlan19901990
@BlanBlan19901990 26 дней назад
Lol you can say what you want about Kramnik but the Magnus line at the end was funny af, dude definitely has a sense of humor
@sackwhacker
@sackwhacker 27 дней назад
Okay, let's do the procedure.
@Tirtha_chess_odyssey6211
@Tirtha_chess_odyssey6211 27 дней назад
LOL
@TheSicknO
@TheSicknO 26 дней назад
No procedure? I am disappointed.
@ourinator692
@ourinator692 23 дня назад
He even said himself that he made a terrible blunder. Why is his opponent cheating for seeing it?
@achabotte
@achabotte 26 дней назад
Good ole Kramnik Click-Click
@e4jasperi
@e4jasperi 22 дня назад
He has obviously read the masterpiece: “How to cry like a GM”.
@mittarimato8994
@mittarimato8994 27 дней назад
I believe Kramnik is a lot better in chess, but in online chess he is actually bad. He is very slow, but strong. Slow and strong. Meanwhile his opponents are not as strong, I believe, but they are a LOT quicker. Like in this match, it says it is 3 minutes vs 3 minutes, but in reality, I think Kramnik lost like 30-45 sec because he was WAY too slow. All this time waste makes Kramnik lose against weaker opponents. Combine this with the actual cheaters, and now the 'crusade' from Kramnik. It results in a situation, where people with less ELO beat him, because he is too slow. And at the same time, he complains it is because of cheating, thanks to the actual cheaters. The reality is that Kramnik has two or actually three issues now: First, it was the occasional cheaters. Second it was the slow play, so he started to blame the faster players of cheating. And now the third one is that everyone wants to cheat against Kramnik for lulz. One of the things that says Kramnik is very slow is that he almost never gains any time even with +1 sec increment. It is because he almost never premoves, which is a very bad and slow habit.
@MrOpen2012
@MrOpen2012 26 дней назад
The thing is, even in his age with this slow play, he is still rated around 3000 in blitz. Just shows you, he is actually pretty strong, on the same level as these super gms.
@Wtahc
@Wtahc 25 дней назад
thanks for your expert opinion
@user-ly5oo2hd7p
@user-ly5oo2hd7p 25 дней назад
@@MrOpen2012 Alot of 2500 Fide players have around same 3k elo,so he is not rly strong online.
@user-pt6yn3ld3u
@user-pt6yn3ld3u 25 дней назад
Жоспем читер
@ixinor
@ixinor 25 дней назад
Nah man, looking at his placements he's not a good chess player.
@hugoses
@hugoses 26 дней назад
I like the sound his mouse makes when clicking. It's a slow, heavy sound, very solid, at least compared to other chess streamers whose mouses have a lighter sound, or maybe it sounds that way because of the speed at which they play, which is obviously faster than Kramnik's.
@user-yd1sx2yf8r
@user-yd1sx2yf8r 26 дней назад
His mouse sounds like the old good days 😅
@user-mp7bp2dn2d
@user-mp7bp2dn2d 26 дней назад
​@@user-yd1sx2yf8r maybe he even has ball in his mouse instead of light sensor
@ChessTube100
@ChessTube100 23 дня назад
He probably bought his mouse while in high school
@Xinder720
@Xinder720 22 дня назад
@@ChessTube100 His career really started in the early 90s. I don't think they even had mice back then, did they?
@God-vl5tk
@God-vl5tk 23 дня назад
Let's hope he learns about drag and drop someday.
@jyxxapeltonen1103
@jyxxapeltonen1103 21 день назад
there's one problem with a drag'n'drop way of moving pieces, when you accidentally release your piece not finishing the move, so I can understand Kramnik's way, he probably wants to be 100% sure his piece reaches the final square.
@awishisaheartyourdreammake9222
@awishisaheartyourdreammake9222 17 дней назад
@@jyxxapeltonen1103dragging is 2x faster than clicking especially when you get used to it. you cant just play blitz without knowing how to drag
@crazymudman123
@crazymudman123 27 дней назад
Turtle Tuesday
@lazyatthedisco
@lazyatthedisco 26 дней назад
Lmao
@simonvonschniep4981
@simonvonschniep4981 26 дней назад
Kramnik is a living meme.
@jefftaylor1186
@jefftaylor1186 27 дней назад
If the clock is under 1 hour, Kramnik has a bad time.
@pepperwestwood
@pepperwestwood 16 дней назад
He pizza’d when he should’ve french fry’d
@mannymnts
@mannymnts 24 дня назад
He should get fined for false accusations. He basically accuses of cheating to everybody who kicks his butt.
@stanlyaateja7778
@stanlyaateja7778 19 дней назад
Don't forget that he is involved in the toilet gate in 2006. Dude literally got caught cheating and still shows no sign of embarrassment, instead he accused others
@germank7924
@germank7924 26 дней назад
Not watching this, let's do the procedure
@jsj297
@jsj297 26 дней назад
Ok let’s invent a procedure for this.
@lyingcat9022
@lyingcat9022 27 дней назад
This guy drives me crazy! He’s so damn slow. It physically hurts to watch how bad his mouse and computer skills are. Dudes like a 80 year old trapped in a 50 year olds body. Why is he surprised that actual Professional Blitz players are better than him? On that point isn’t this dude higher rated than him Blitz online and OTB?
@smalltowngoose
@smalltowngoose 26 дней назад
yes, around 40 points higher otb and online
@mosh1935
@mosh1935 26 дней назад
When you bacome old learning become much harder his first time playing online in his +30 and he is not playing a lot so his physical skills will be bad even young players like gukesh are slow and need a lot of practice when it come to online chess and speed chess he already +3000 .kramnik is right about cheating online I do it and never get banned the only way to catch me when I play game with +95 with a lot of moves or playing alot of game with +90 accuracy which is too high to my level . So how can you catch someone when he already will play most of his game with +90 accuracy sometimes only looking to evaluation will make you win. kramnik mistake is assume someone with cheating when there is no way to know the truth he know that but he can't tell anymore if his opponents are clean this is psychological thing.
@Dan-ce3sd
@Dan-ce3sd 26 дней назад
you can tell the refresh rate of his mouse and/or screen is absolute dogshit. like a computer from early 2000 or something. comical
@smalltowngoose
@smalltowngoose 26 дней назад
@@mosh1935 i agree. these top players play 90+ games all the time even OTB, including kramnik himself... most definitely psychological
@georgesduroy410
@georgesduroy410 24 дня назад
loads of nonsense
@theowalcott102
@theowalcott102 24 дня назад
Honestly I thought it was just Kramnik talking gibberish all this time, but after yesterday's grudge match, you can see that Jospem plays like an elite player online, however OTB he is an average GM, still quite strong, but not at the same level as 2800 players
@ambidextrouslamia9635
@ambidextrouslamia9635 23 дня назад
Kramnik's mouse skills effectively give time odds to his opponents
@Kgwm83
@Kgwm83 23 дня назад
The game looked absolutely normal and actually Black played rather impressively until he lost the thread with Rf4 Rh4 and so on.
@movdqa
@movdqa 27 дней назад
Nice speed and plan by Jospem. The first 12 moves or so were amazing - blitzed out.
@Nicole-yy1kn
@Nicole-yy1kn 24 дня назад
Yes the guy is stronger than Magnus when no one can see them
@lazyatthedisco
@lazyatthedisco 26 дней назад
Kramnik clicked so many times in the wrong squares while trying to grab a piece, also no pre-move at all and taking so much time durin relatively not critical positions. Of course he's gonna lose lol
@HexxuSz
@HexxuSz 25 дней назад
good let this man know about drag and drop
@maciejzbogdanca2904
@maciejzbogdanca2904 27 дней назад
91% is what most 2k elo playes have in 3min games. Lol XD
@Goatz99
@Goatz99 27 дней назад
You can't really compare tho, scoring 91% against a 2000 is very different from 91% against a former world champ.
@bahram5685
@bahram5685 27 дней назад
​@@Goatz99 agree because accuracy also depends on who you are playing
@JoeJD10
@JoeJD10 27 дней назад
⁠@@Goatz99Doesn’t make a difference, both of the are at the same level in online blitz
@maciejzbogdanca2904
@maciejzbogdanca2904 27 дней назад
@@Goatz99 Engine score simply tells you how close to the perfect game were you. Secondly for short format like 3min its not how good move you can make, but can you find it in 5-10sec. Hence the GM strenght is not everything here as he developed his skills decades ago. Google the guy who beats low level Stockfish in 30sec bullet games. Surely he would stomped Kramnik in hyper bullet but he would loose in 90min format. See my point?
@Goatz99
@Goatz99 27 дней назад
@@JoeJD10 In a match between 2000 elo players, the accuracy will be more forgiving due to the high number of mistakes, blunders etc, whereas a match between 3000s the performance distribution is much tighter. For the 2000 elo player, 91% implies relatively fewer optimal moves but enough to achieve this score due to the high number of mistakes. For the 3000 elo player, 91% implies exceptionally precise play. The higher the elo of your opponent, the more challenging it will be to maintain high accuracy.
@EndoftheTownProductions
@EndoftheTownProductions 27 дней назад
Why would all these top chess players only cheat against Kramnik?
@oliverfletcher9052
@oliverfletcher9052 27 дней назад
I think (if they do cheat) they cheat against most non-streaming or less popular GMs to avoid suspicion, so we don’t see Hikaru losing against them but we may see somebody like Hansen losing.
@jaxen231
@jaxen231 27 дней назад
They do not cheat lol stop getting influenced by this mental ill guy
@user-ru9fn6yj5z
@user-ru9fn6yj5z 27 дней назад
Coz hes crying baby none cheat there
@hellfire_97
@hellfire_97 27 дней назад
@@user-ru9fn6yj5zand who are you to chess?
@tyrellwilliams317
@tyrellwilliams317 26 дней назад
Kramnik sucks!!! He had a run now it’s over !
@thetunapeckerblues
@thetunapeckerblues 18 дней назад
I was really liking black's dark square bishop there
@michaelrevell1501
@michaelrevell1501 22 дня назад
Kramnick isn’t as strong when he can’t go to the bathroom 20 times per game. Interesting…
@anthonypham7563
@anthonypham7563 26 дней назад
Kramnik was just worse when he lost the a pawn
@zaczakariclips
@zaczakariclips 27 дней назад
Jospem has 2700 in blitz, Kramnik only 2600. Of course Kramnik lost.
@MrBillThunder
@MrBillThunder 27 дней назад
Kramnik is 2664 in blitz, at his lowest rating in his career. He was 2700+ in February. He was 2840 in his peak. Jospem peak rating is 2700. Kramnik plays almost always against super famous gms. Jose's most fide games are against unknown chess players. Even if Kramnik is far of his prime years, he's still a former world champion, the one that dethroned Kasparov. Speaking about Kramnik just as he's a random gm is insane.
@zaczakariclips
@zaczakariclips 26 дней назад
@@MrBillThunder Was. Not Recent. Kramnik is old so don't compare when he was in his prime and now. In recent years he plays like 2600 not 2800 anymore.
@zaczakariclips
@zaczakariclips 26 дней назад
@@MrBillThunder Plus Kramnik never reach top three in TT. But Jospem had many times.
@MrBillThunder
@MrBillThunder 26 дней назад
@@zaczakariclips You are obviously Kramnik hater cause you didn't ever bother to search Kramnik tt history. Kramnik has won tt in 2023 even with his terrible mouse skills. Also, just a fact that will annoy you. Do you know how many times José Martinez Alcantara has won over the board against a 2700+ fide blitz player? 0 times. Prove me wrong. Find me 1 game that he won against 2700 rated opponent. Are we really comparing otb Kramnik with him? Kramnik online chess suffers because his mouse skills are pretty much the worst ever. He's like playing with time odds every game.
@zaczakariclips
@zaczakariclips 26 дней назад
@@MrBillThunder you obviously Kramnik's worshiper.
@cristianmicu
@cristianmicu 15 дней назад
if he would play standard time the issue would dissapear but online he would never trust the opponent for not using stockfish for playing him, even with standard chess time games, and you cant play blitz or faster time games without premove AND HE NEVER PREMOVES.. then no wonder you get on time deficit
@Max1988_
@Max1988_ 22 дня назад
TIME FOR GRADPA KRAMNIK TO LOW DOWN A LITTLE THAT EGO 🤣🤣🤣
@michaelrevell1501
@michaelrevell1501 22 дня назад
Blunders with 9 seconds on the clock. Opponent with a minute on the clock finds continuation. Wow, shocking. Kramnick spends multiple seconds per move on moves that he could have pre-moved or had the piece dragged and ready to drop when he knows he’s playing the move most of the time. So confused why he plays bullet when he barely knows how to use a mouse. I’m also surprised he doesn’t get accused of cheating, if you play bullet against an opponent who takes a minimum of two seconds on even obvious moves in bullet, that’s pretty sus. Personally I just chalk it up to him not knowing how to use a computer, but, you shouldn’t throw stones if you live in a glass house as the kids say
@vincentcorleone4951
@vincentcorleone4951 26 дней назад
he moves so slow. he cannot compete with young people online
@val724
@val724 27 дней назад
Крамник зевает тактику на уровне 3 разряда, имея 16 секунд. Похоже, что античитинговые расследования имеют обратную корреляцию с уровнем игры.
@hellfire_97
@hellfire_97 27 дней назад
Похоже, что 4-разрядник завёл профиль на ютубе, чтоб поливать чемпиона говном
@val724
@val724 27 дней назад
@@hellfire_97 не гроссмейстер конечно, но 2300 на Личесе имею. Ты наверняка посильнее будешь
@hellfire_97
@hellfire_97 26 дней назад
@@val724 наверняка, потому что 2600 на личессе имею
@val724
@val724 26 дней назад
@@hellfire_97 я сегодня 2400 набрал, можешь поздравлять
@hellfire_97
@hellfire_97 26 дней назад
@@val724 поздравляю). На этом уровне много мастеров тусуется
@summonersummoner9536
@summonersummoner9536 24 дня назад
They looked down upon him because he is south American but they forgot that he came from the great Peru greatest genetic pool in the world. Perú actually means Pure.
@dantolino1093
@dantolino1093 22 дня назад
Pure crap, all best from Lima!
@bchain6416
@bchain6416 27 дней назад
It would indeed be interesting if there was a supervised online match between Jospen and Kramnik. Maybe this would at last bring to light, that Kramnik is simply worse at online chess than he is over the board.
@Fairy-Chess
@Fairy-Chess 26 дней назад
It will happen on june 8th. Live from Madrid, Jospem vs Kramnik.
@igbc176
@igbc176 22 дня назад
It just happened and jospen destroyed him playing online in the same room as kramnik and it didn't stop kramnik from crying all the time eventhough kramnik make them play 3+2 instead of 3+1 like tittle Tuesdays.
@user-sm7ik8vn4x
@user-sm7ik8vn4x 27 дней назад
Why did he not take the pawn on g4 all those times
@user-sm7ik8vn4x
@user-sm7ik8vn4x 27 дней назад
When it was hanging I mean
@MrMty65
@MrMty65 27 дней назад
@@user-sm7ik8vn4x White goes Ng5:+ and then picks up the bishop on g4, a bishop that black badly needs to cover all the weak white squares. Blacks position would be strategically lost after this trade I suppose. Kramnik understands these things very well.
@user-sm7ik8vn4x
@user-sm7ik8vn4x 27 дней назад
@@MrMty65 fair enough, thanks
@luatala8008
@luatala8008 26 дней назад
Yep take the pawn. Free pawn to me.
@Nicole-yy1kn
@Nicole-yy1kn 24 дня назад
Don’t forget he is 3000(the Kramnik is). He is not nobody
@jorgebesadita-hv9rs
@jorgebesadita-hv9rs 22 дня назад
He should play 10 minutes match, 3 minutes blitz is too fast for him.
@onailimex
@onailimex 21 день назад
Cayó como un pichón 😂
@stanlyaateja7778
@stanlyaateja7778 19 дней назад
Coming from a guy that is involve at toiletgate 2006, this doesn't sound convincing. Ngl kramnik should stop accusing
@insomnia20422
@insomnia20422 26 дней назад
Jospem was 100 elo higher rated. Ergo he should crush Kramnik. Oh he did? Why am I not surprised...
@germanvaldivia6916
@germanvaldivia6916 22 дня назад
Eres bu rro no????
@billyscorner2232
@billyscorner2232 26 дней назад
this guy needs to install league of legends. he would be epic in bronze 5 on team chat
@hH-jf6ss
@hH-jf6ss 27 дней назад
Jospem delay at critical point
@leerobbo92
@leerobbo92 25 дней назад
Well, yeah. You tend to pause in critical positions. If you don't, you're just shit at chess. Jospem is number 23 in the world for OTB blitz. He's at the same level as Wei Yi, Mamedyarov, Andreiikin, Vishy Anand, Nihal Sarin: about 60 points, or a couple of good tournaments, from the top 10. He's rated higher than guys like Anish Giri, Pragg, Nordirbek, Ivanchuk, Naroditsky. It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that he's very, very good in that time control. His current rating is about the same as Kramnik's was *before* he retired in 2019. He's also grown up with online chess, so not only will he be better prepared, but he'll have much faster mouse speed and pattern recognition. Some of his moves were difficult to find, but the speed of his play definitely isn't controversial, and he's got the credentials to back it up.
@Draftic84
@Draftic84 14 дней назад
Oh man, this is actually hard to watch. He's just not keeping up with Time & technology. is he degenerating like B.F.??!
@antomichael5489
@antomichael5489 18 дней назад
I sees only normal moves sure guy is outplayed with passing powns... Cramnick need to study modern chess tactics... rather called cheat...level he is playing between 1500-2000 elo...this is my opinion and observation...
@robinsinpost
@robinsinpost 27 дней назад
Didn't the winner play too fast in the beginning to cheat?
@itamarkornfeld6117
@itamarkornfeld6117 27 дней назад
All these players don't cheat
@Stefan0v1
@Stefan0v1 27 дней назад
Bro, Kramnik is not saying they are cheating every move..Just in complicated positions they take a few moves from the engine to gain advantage.. Here and there cheating is still cheating..Most that play are already strong players, it's just that with some top moves in critical positions, they can gain 200 elo easily.. Pushing them from 2900 to 3100 or more... When you are that good, you know how to cheat, to not make it obvious..
@hellfire_97
@hellfire_97 27 дней назад
@@itamarkornfeld6117they do cheat. He played complete nonsense at the beginning
@MrOpen2012
@MrOpen2012 26 дней назад
For a strong player 1 engine move in critical position is enough to win the game. Obviously, Jospem not some random 800 elo dude who need engine for every move.
@kahvaimuri2824
@kahvaimuri2824 25 дней назад
@@hellfire_97 It's a blitz game and especially against Kramink, speed wins strength.
@JS_Precision
@JS_Precision 27 дней назад
There is no controversy here. Only a sad old man. Jospem plays TT all the time when other GMs are out playing tournaments. Of course he does well.
@Fairy-Chess
@Fairy-Chess 27 дней назад
There are lots of controversy. Now jospem and kramnik is going to play an OTB tournament. If Jospem loses then Kramnik's accusation will become true. Match date 7-9th june,Madrid,Spain.
@cristobalbustamante4549
@cristobalbustamante4549 27 дней назад
Agree. But not only Jospem should win, he should win in a similar proportion as he is winning opponents of Kramnik's elo in titled tuesday.
@manurshankar1465
@manurshankar1465 26 дней назад
I feel Jospem is going to lose if such an OTB match happens. See the number of engine 1st line moves in the end game. Is it even normal?
@AleksandrKis
@AleksandrKis 26 дней назад
Absolutely no controversy. All of the top GMs know that Jospem is very talanted in using some chess bot assistance here and there. But the monopoly sets the rules. The rule is that cheating brings profits for now. So shut up and play. And if you can't, get you ban and be mobbed.
@theworldofwoo8320
@theworldofwoo8320 26 дней назад
Oh christ just get over it. Stop paying attention and it'll wither away. The only sad person is you complaining about an old man
@vladimirmonomah315
@vladimirmonomah315 26 дней назад
ну Владимир Борисович дал фору слона чернопольного , а без фигуры сложновато играть ...
@dublintvcontent2023
@dublintvcontent2023 9 дней назад
I don't get t? White played a very nice game ad it was a sort of bad Kings Indian all the way through. All pretty standard high level chess. White won nicely enough. ZERO ODD here.
@marsell7857
@marsell7857 17 дней назад
I think he played not a good game. If he analyze the game he see it.
@krantzcapricorn3462
@krantzcapricorn3462 26 дней назад
i root for Kramnik no cap
@GeorgiBozhikov
@GeorgiBozhikov 24 дня назад
Yes, yes, my dear kramnik, it is not easy to play and not useing WC on every move. Do you remeber the match with Topalov, you cheater?
@hH-jf6ss
@hH-jf6ss 27 дней назад
Online is very chirer to play game
@Daniel220309
@Daniel220309 15 дней назад
Cryminik
@vladerret670
@vladerret670 26 дней назад
Крамник заслуживает уважение хотя бы за то, что он практически в одиночку, начал бороться с читерством! Все остальные - невнятные терпилы! )
@gabriel-uc1uz
@gabriel-uc1uz 24 дня назад
Shouldn't he also lose respect when he makes false accusations or baseless accusations
@igbc176
@igbc176 22 дня назад
Kramnik is a shame for Russians. Russians should not defend him. he makes russians look bad. Russia is the land of the real braves and honest, not sore losers like Kramnik
@giovannirojas3952
@giovannirojas3952 26 дней назад
Josepm is a cheater. Kramnik will own him. 😎
@iqselect2193
@iqselect2193 26 дней назад
Re3 by jospem is super sus tbh
@gunz300
@gunz300 26 дней назад
Defending the knight to free up the queen. No that's definitely something a GM could find. The configuration looks kind of funny, but the idea is a pretty straightforward one.
@chessloverontwitch
@chessloverontwitch 26 дней назад
Kramnik is 100%. Much respect!
@johnbiteme9118
@johnbiteme9118 26 дней назад
Two times during the video Kramnik admits he blundered, (and lost a rook). Then he loses on time. Kramnik is not the best online chess player in the world. I'll be surprised if he is even in the top 50. That means there are at least 30 or 40 top level online players who can regularly beat Kramnik. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in the June 7 - 9 match between Kramnik and Jospem where a good portion of the games will be played online under conditions where cheating is impossible.