Kratos Tells To Mimir How Heimdall Is Weaker Than Other Gods He Killed - God Of War: Ragnarök 

I mean he killed Zeus. Who is vastly more powerful than Heimdall.

He also killed Boulder

And went after Hermes himself who was much faster and much more battle experience than Heimdall.

@@quentonwalton8175 huge rock vs kratos

@@quentonwalton8175 THE BOULDER TAKES OFFENSE AT THIS ACCUSATION.

I'm with Kratos on this; if anyone or anything threats my baby girl, I will not hesitate to go full medieval upon it.

_Kratos, to Heimdall_ : You want to get Poseidon’ed? Because threatening my family is how you get Poseidon’ed. _Heimdall_ : Who’s Poseidon? _Kratos_ : You’ll meet him soon enough.

@@Xenobears poseidondeeznutz

Exactly that it is the right thing

I mean it's the same reason Olympus fell in the first place. The gods were playing games with Kratos.

*"I hAvE tO StOp yOu fRoM DeSTrOyInG mY PaNtHeOn.... iN ThE FuTuUUurE!"*

he had awesome powers, he just didnt use them properly

Heimdall comes off as a bully who has the teachers on his payroll. Until someone puts takes away the thing that makes them think their untouchable is taken away.

Kratos: …But we already did that. Heimdall: I knew you’d do that! And now I have to kill you now!

"fuuuuutuuureeee. fuuuuuutureeeee" - Squidward probably

i saw that exact comment too and yeah thats how it seemed to me as well, all the other characters warned kratos of Heimdall's foresight and so Kratos being Kratos had to test it for himself and he learned that Heimdall wasnt shit

I looked up the fight again and yeah I see it, that's exactly what he did and I love that little attention to detail

seems like Heimdall can only see like one or two moves ahead and not really more larger picture things

Eric Williams (game director) also said in an interview/podcast with IGN that he clipped Heimdall with his ring, which caused the cut. One way or another, he got him with Draupnir, which is a really nice touch.

he traded foresight for brain cells apparently

But of the century uhh...

"I just want to talk to him, I just want to talk, I just want to shoot him"

He kinda debunked that on this game when he talks to Freya. "I will kill in the defense for my family and friends. But I won't be anyone's monster." He has a very pragmatic view on his morals.

he did let heimdall go but he refused to retreat. Heimdall was a fool sadly. Like nth is lost from running in battle to fight again another day

@@ArthurPrince03 yeah and when he pinched Heimdall down it doesn’t seem that Kratos was hesitating either he just wanted to give him a chance. To me that was a really good reminder that shows as much as Kratos doesn’t want to kill, it also wouldn’t hurt even if he decides to.

And Heimdall's moment fully solidify what was kratos was like

ugh

​@@heimdall_loyal Farbauti whooped your ass

Lazy writing to give a very forced shallow feeling of badassery

Odin himself was no slouch either, though for him "pushing himself" was trying to figure out the fabric of existence.

On the contrary, I don't think Heimdall was a wasted talent, it was shown much that he was a very competent hand of Odin. Keep in mind Ragnarok happened much much earlier than anticipated. Heimdall just got unlucky and stepped on the toes of an apex predator. I also disagree that he didn't push himself past his limits, He was very much capable of that and came out harder after his Hand got cut off. Again just got unlucky he faced Kratos in his young god years.

@@RaptorJesus Odin would've averted ragnarok easily had it not been for his own greed. But that's just how prophecies work

The way I see Heimdall is that he wasn't really wasted potential. So much as he was someone who didn't feel the need to get stronger than what he already was. Whether we like it or not, Heimdall did have some skill and credentials to his name along with his foresight. Odin himself wouldn't have trusted Gjallahorn to him if he felt he couldn't take care of himself, or have the power to protect it. That said, Heimdall was someone who was a rather skilled individual. The thing was, he was only truly skilled against those weaker/less experienced than him. Mainly thanks to his over-reliance on his foresight. But against more skilled/experience and most importantly, level-headed combatants. His advantage quickly begins to crumble because they would know how to handle it and deal with him. As its been stated, take away his foresight, and while he could possibly put up a fight for a while. It wouldn't take much to take him out.

It is 100 years too early and I suspect this Heimdall didnt develop to become a skilled noble warrior that was canonically known for. No training and no humbling event. Then again Baldur isnt a cute boy but a Connor McGreggor expy so I could be wrong.

Kratos killed Hermes for the Jordans.

We dead ass mugged Hermes for his Js 😂😂😂

@Clay Tablet Shogun them Jays was lit

Never insult Kratos or his family or you will die

@@dethbedsmolzwhent.t6498 exactly Kratos had the timbs and Hermes's Js were just out the box

He never should have got hit if he’s able to know exact what was coming.

​@locomojoboy2 Sometimes there is no way to avoid a hit. Then you have to try to tank it in a way that does the least damage. Heimdall had 0 experience doing that.

People really need to stop regurgitating that nonsensical quote.

"It matters not that you see the storm coming, you are still powerless to stop it" Dragon Age Inquisition Not the wisest source, but slaps nonetheless, and a nice lesson all the same ;7

Hahahahaha

Who said that they’re too strong for Kratos ?

Kratos could easily steal the quote from the Lich of Adventure Time. True, they are strong.. but after what he's done, what he survived, he is beyond strength. Kratos is no less than an inevitable consequence for whomever holds and abuses great power. Their end, embodied in a man from a far lane that doesn't exist anymore. I don't think anyone but the Hindu gods or the Abrahamic Almighty and their best servants could stand a chance in terms of power alone.

And kills them anyways

Nah i say hes more like ok cool TO YOU hes strong, to me hes nothing more than an ant to me.......

​@IronianKnight kratos literally was the god of war, then hope then vengeance and now has altered his fate and is now working with Freya. Becoming Kratos the God of Justice.

Because when Kratos makes up his mind, he makes up his mind. And it would take a lot to make him budge on it.

@@calamityknyte which he did in end of game, refusing to kill Thor

@Sons of Gaming And that's why he survived. Because he changed his mind.

I don’t know why but i feel it’s almost same to the draco line in the rocky movie if he dies he dies😂

@@calamityknytewhat kind of dogshit take is this 😂 no

But he had the foresight, so he beat Atreus. Kratos has the ability to act on pure instinct, and still maintain control.

Tbh Atreus probably could

how did kratos actually beat heimdall when his whole thing is about being able to see your moves ahead of time. why does kratos' spear give him an advantage in a supposedly unwinnable fight against heimdall?

@@testval My guess is because the spear can be detonated after initial attack and Heimdall would be too focused on oncoming attacks to watch his footing and be inside the range of the spearheads AoE. Plus once he takes damage he loses his cool and fights without self control

It goes back to when Atreus asks Kratos about growing muscles like his. You are born a god and have it within you, but it’s effort that achieves the results and physique of one.

Not just that, but to be able to use your foresight involves more than just the precognition, but also plenty of reflex and speed. Kratos was simply too fast for Heimdall to dodge forever. He's simply stronger and faster, and he can outlast him too.

@@matasa7463 since he was able to take out Hermes, a God who is all about speed, and has the strength to actually face down beings as strong as Titans, he was perfectly capable of handling Heimdall. Also, if I remember partially correctly, didn't he already face a God/being that had similar abilities to Heimdall?

So Kratos is unconsciously using ultra instinct?

@@gamegen88 technically yeah.

Ultra instinct 🤣

Yes, and how he mentions that it was fated for Atreus to go to Asgard while trying to prevent that but it happened anyway.

The original quote actually comes from Jean de La Fontaine.

@@overthemoon34 Yeah, I looked that up at one point, pretty interesting.

I thought about Oedipus. I wish I didnt

Self-Fulfilling Prophecies. A real pain in the ass.

plus its a motif in Greek tragedy (like Oedipus)

Ares wanted to create a might champion to usurp Olympus from Zeus. It went a little too well. Like Kratos said, he succeeded.

Chronos's prophecy too

@@korawitbuttramee618 actually the one pulling the strings was athena

Chains of Olympus, correct?

Exactly. They beat Ragnarok by acting out of their own will, not due to prophecy. Ragnaroks ends up being very different thanks to that

Cause they see just some tiny little insignificant parts of the future specifically the Outcome, doesn't allow them to avoid the true path of what their current lifestyle and is what helps to predict how someone will end, they are gods every god is meant to be killed by it's own stupidity just look at Christian god

Otherwise known as the two of those idiots creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

Self fulfilling prophecy; and when you see that everything you did to avoid the end just brought it on, it's a huge gut punch Heimdall would know

You just debunked yourself. Developers said Kratos didn't die in the end by Thor, because he decided to change. Now you wanna tell me had Kratos not killed Heimdall - Atreus would certainly die? You don't make sense.

Rorschach approves

Kratos did take the spear because Mimir asked him to, and since Kratos never brags/gloats, if he says that he can beat Heimdall, you know he can but maybe not as flawlessly as he did with the Draupnir

@@azriffazli4670 Taking Draupnir also increased his chances of success. Better to have something and not need it, then need it and be without it.

Kratos is a man that likes to be prepared than not most of the time. Which is why he went for the spear, got into the trouble of gettind a new shield and constant upgrades to his weaponry. Heimdall was slower than Kratos, weaker than Kratos and obviously didnt match his prowess. Spear turned out to be useful against every god other than Heimdall.

@@Kronosfobi He got the Spear to humor Mimir and because a second dwarven weapon doesnt hurt either.

Throw the spears at the ground and detonate them as heimdal walks over them and it immediately works

Wish that applied in netero and meruem fight

​@@hyakujuunokaido5878cunning and mislead will always beat anything

I mean when we first meet Heimdall we can actually see hints of him not being a very good fighter. See how he uses sloppy kicks and shoves when he bullies Atreus and Thrud.

At least Hermes entertained us with a little song he made up to mock Kratos. Too bad Kratos wasn’t amused😆

@@ziriebenton6659 true that in fact kratos was very annoyed lol

Thor had more than Heimdall

@@sureshraghul2715 in terms of their fight yes he did thor literally was a kratos in the Norse realm (in that sense he was exactly like kratos with being a slave to the gods while given the powers of one)

I still have no idea what Hermes was thinking. Heimdall is the guardian of Asgard and possesses powers of clarevoyance and foresight. Hermes was the damned Olympian mailman and his chief tactic was running away.

Zeus Hercules Poseidon Hades Ares

In their first fight Kratos tricked Zeus into lowering his guard. The second fight Zeus (now free of the influence of pandora box) allowed Kratos to kill him out of guilt for his actions. In a fair fight Kratos can not defeat Zeus. Which makes Zeus the most powerful being in the known God of War universe.

@@josephhicks6445um are you forgetting the part where zeus also tricked kratos into lowering his guard? kratos was defeating zeus in a “fair” fight, he only tricked zeus for petty vengeance since zeus did the same to him, kratos wanted to kill zeus the same exact way that zeus tried killing him, he did not “need” to trick zeus as he was beating him before hand

@@josephhicks6445if zeus really believed he could easily just end kratos, he wouldn’t have tricked him, zeus tricked him because he was scared, literally, not even shit talk, he was genuinely scared, the prophecy said that the current god of war kratos would kill zeus and destroy all things, so he was scared to just run to him and attack because he knew he would probably die, so he tricked kratos to make it easier and hopefully reverse the prophecy, but in the long run he made it worse

@@josephhicks6445 tf you talking about zeus letting kratos kill him

nah bro we should have carved out heimdalls eyes and replaced them with ours so we get foresight. in short, we gonna mug heimdall for his foresight just like how we mugged hermes for his jordan’s.

@@synergy8879 lmaoo true 🤣🤣🤣 Imagine Kratos would do that and would give the eyes to Mimir and tell Mimir " Head, his eyes he don't need them anymore, use them and see better".

holy shit bro your beard are you Kratos?

And both start with He-

@@TheShineSpark Trust me I get that reaction alot Lol.

and in abilities/hax he is mid in almost every category. Hermes >>> Heimdall

@@xHollow. hermes ran like a bitch he's weaker

Except hermes and hera

@@giotto12scarponi43 Running would've given him another day to fight back. Heimdall should've retreated when given the option and came back stronger. Hermes was a coward but a smart one at tht

@@xHollow. Hermes is 100% stronger in every aspect next to Heimi. Heimi can see the future but it means nothing if he doesnt have the speed or instinct to take Hermes out

The Destroyer of Worlds

It's always been my interpretation that the gods are fated to battle to the death, not because it is their nature to conflict and war against each other, but it is impossible for a god to die any other way but at the hands of another god. Could be five days from now, or five hundred million years from now. But when it happens, that is how it will happen. Kratos proved it. Even suicide isn't a possibility for the gods.

One correction: MOST of an entire pantheon. The Olympians smart enough to stay out of his way all survived

@@sev1120 true

The Norns are missing nothing. They told him about Heimdall because they want Kratos to be prepared for that fight. If they had chosen to withhold this information, then when Kratos eventually encounters Heimdall he would have no way of harming him. They told him exactly what they needed to to set him on the path they wanted him to go. Also they lied. Heimdall had no intention of disobeying Odin and killing Atreus. They said "Heimdall *_intends to_* kill your son in Asgard" as in "already plans on doing it". His loyalty to Odin was absolute. It wasn't until being defeated by Kratos that he considered disobeying Odin and killing Atreus.

I agree. It was stated that the Norns don't get involved and merely watch, but I don't think that's true. Odin acted against everyone, seemingly, and it's possible he made an enemy of the norns years ago when he tried to see his future. Plus I don't think the norn's would like the fact that Heimdall had a weaker version of their foresight. I can see both of these reasons being why they warned Kratos, thus by merely mentioning he needed to prepare for a fight they made the fight inevitable, and his preparation for the fight certain.

"Kratos will beaten if not have spear" Nah 🤣 idk why people underestimate Kratos battle IQ, he is General after all, not just a barbaric warrior with no brain

Makes sense to me, cause they are just basically telling them what they already know, if Heimdall is a threat to Atreus then naturally Kratos would do what he does best, kill Gods and it’s no coincidence they mention the one god who holds the horn that would begin Ragnarok and be the only way for them to get into Asgard in the first place, a fight was inevitable all it took was just one more aesir god to die, it just was Heimdall the biggest threat to the kid and the quickest way into Asgard

@@bangkhan5554 which is why he sought out tools to overcome heimdall's power instead of running head first into a situation despite knowing his enemy had a ability's he could not overcome

The only reason the Norns help him is because alternative is him destroying the Norse pantheon

Ironically, Voldemort also fulfilled the prophecy by attempting to kill Harry in the first place. Had he not been obsessed with the fate, he would not have created "the boy who lived" who would ultimately end up killing him.

This is the only comment of yours I have seen without 8,9 septupilion comments. Incredible!

​@@PabloRodriguez-ov9sx Same, usually most of them are full of people asking why they see him everywhere lol.​

@@FuntimeBacon Yeah… Pesonnaly, I don’t think the’re THAT good, but I see the charm in having a guy that spawns every time it’s dark

Headcanon.

@@UltimateBallaPOM What is?

>I absolutely hate the idea of having my path be predetermined or preplanned The game literally has markers for where you're supposed to go, climb, crawl through, etc lol. That screams 'pre-determined' for me.

@@mrp2301 Bit of a difference between paths in a GAME and his take on philosophy my dude, he's referring to the story.

I concur. Thor was no slouch, after all the man punched a giant snake so hard, it travelled back in time.

The point that changed kratos' fate was when he sat down and *spoke* with atreus. That was where he was changing his fate by changing his nature.

@@kairu_anameYes after thinking and replaying the game, yes this is exactly the point where Kratos decided to be less of his old self. To be open to the pain and suffering of others, to make better choices, to try to be better.

Thor killed Kratos without being serious... "Oh no, no, i say when we are done..."

@@corvus9829 feigning weakness is a strategy when you’re that much stronger or better than your opponent. If you played any the older GOW games you would know there’s no way Thor could kill Kratos, even more so when you learn that in this universe Gods actually get stronger with age

@@lmenzol Thor killed Kratos and then he revived him to continue the fight. Even the Game Over screen appears. 🤣🤣

@@corvus9829 the game wouldn’t be very interesting if Kratos destroyed everything with his full power right away. I don’t know why this needs to be explained to you dumbass. Things get sacrificed for gameplay sake, can explain why all over Kratos’s weapons need to leveled up again?

​@@corvus9829Kratos was holding back a lot in that fight because he was trying to reason with Thor. Doesn't mean that Thor's feat was impressive but Kratos could've 1 tap him easily.

Hades and Thanatos.

Thanatos comes close-er but not quite there Hades ain't there

And Poseidon too

@@Force-Multiplier Hades is stronger than Cronos who is slightly weaker than Atlas, and Hades has Atlas soul which made him stronger.

@@vodkaEditz Hades isn't stronger than Atlas we fought Hades with a weakened Kratos and he was no different from any regular boss

Kratos actually did change things up. Heimdall shouts 'How can you not be thinking of anytthing!' once you're able to hit him normally. He beat him by shutting his brain off, and fighting purely off instincts. No thoughts of what he was going to do next, left nothing for Heimdall to read. Which, is a pretty huge Oops for heimdall he didn't realize that, when you get to a master level at fighting. You no longer need to think or plan your next moves, and it actually becomes BETTER to rely purely on instinct and muscle memory, since muscle memory is faster than thought. I'm pretty sure Thor could do the same. Or just get purposefully drunk for the fight so he wasn't thinking clearly and heimdall couldn't read him anyways.

@@kharnthebetrayer8251 if not it could just be his intentions being so broad, it's muscle memory + keeping things simple. When he is in a fight he doesn't think "I'ma hit him on his left" he thinks "I'ma hit him" and goes for any opportunity that leads to that goal. It's probably why kratos remarks that his foresight will do no good if his intention is to kill him. kratos doesn't have a specific way of killing him, he just takes opportunities that appear for him to do so.

@@hugomventura also, when he spoke of murdering Heimdall before Brok and Sindri, Kratos mentioned "overwhelming" Heimdall with his own advantages. Kratos understood that it didn't matter if Heimdall could see what's coming next; he knew he was faster, stronger, and more disciplined than Heimdall and thus he had more openings to take advantage of. Meanwhile, Heimdall had to rely on what's coming next to know what he's going to do next.

Kratos has lost, he met a guy in battle and lost to him, then he called out to Ares and devoted himself to him, so he could then win that fight. Its the plot of one of the games.

@Mister Perfection no he didn't, he killed heimdall.

It WASN'T a spear, actually.. It was a HUUUGE pointy boulder... That feat alone made Ares so scary imo..

It was a pillar from the rubble of Athens.

@@obry6 right, that thing lol didn’t know what to call it

Lmao, Ares no scoped Kratos using a giant piller 🤣🤣

None of the Norse gods could ever imagine of doing such a thing…really shows that the Greek gods were really something else

Kratos would be Killer Bee then. Way more experienced fighter.

That and if you pay attention to the Heimdall fight, in the first two part out of the three when you disorient Heimdall with the Draupnir spear, Kratos is also testing to figure out where Heimdall is in terms of reaction speed, and once he figured it out, he was able to punch and then constantly hurt Heimdall.

In other words, Heimdall had all of the talent but none of the mentality. In the physical fight he had a chance, in the mental fight Heimdall was a babe in the woods.

That's true. But even if Heimdall worked on his talent the outcome would stoll be the same. Just as Kratos mentioned he killed Gods greater than Heimdall

@@romanzng2504 so true!! its why Kratos is so dangerous, his spartan hertiage is a great example of why he is the way he is Spartans adapt on the fly, now add their training to god powers and you have an almost unstopable force of nature

Not even TBH kratos got his powers drained and let his guard down. Zeus pulled a dirty one.

Iirc zeus throw blade of olympus and tell kratos to let the weapon suck his god power Zeus did dirty there

Kratos is still a formidable warrior without godly powers tho

​@@powercouch1845yes. Still has his Spartan training and all the experience with journeying to kill a God.

Yep. Right in the name God of WAR.

Keep in mind he actually lost all his god powers by the end of the third game and was just a demi god going into the nordic region

Exactly. Hit the nail on the head. The discipline of a spartan with the powers of a god 💯

kratos smoked his ass like a doobie, Heimdall pack hittin hard shit got young atreus wheezin

@@oceanman7336 W

I like how you mentioned the comments in a positive way. Most people would mention comments and possibly project their insecurity by accuse the commenters "didn't touch grass"

He stopped thinking, acted on instinct to beat Heimdall. His instinct his nature is to kill gods. Against Thor he made the conscious choice to not follow that nature.

Confidence? Or Knowledge?

The fact that both goku and kratos literally spare them twice but theirs shatter ego wouldn't let them forgives those mistake So easily causing their death at the hands of both goku and kratos

Yeah and after the game I miss him..

Hephaestus is not greater i guess, since he is a smith god, not much of a fighter.

Hephaestus? Really? Helios & Hermes are not stronger than Heimdall either. Rhea? That's the mother of Zeus/Hades/Poseidon... Kratos never meets her. You might mean Hera and that would be just as absurd.

Fr the whole greek world was canonicaly stronger than the norse.

@Ultimate Sora No, lol lmao, Heimdall isn't stronger than Ares, Thanatos, and Hades, Zeus, and Poseidon... Maybe Helios and Hermes Heimdall is far weaker than Kratos. Zeus, Poseidon, Hades and Thanatos are far far stronger than Heimdall lmao. The Olympians are superior than the Aesir

@Ultimate Sora lmao u have no clue about this game stop

Hermes would win cause he's faster

Heimdall claps low difficulty, Hermes can’t even fight. Just runs away

Yes, but as always, hubris. True in the hellenistic world, true in the norse world.

Technically both Thor and Odin did that. Thor ended up betrayed and Odin didn't really have a way out other than fighting.

That's what Thor and Odin did at the start of the game.

And didn’t he have the power of hope with him ?

No

I doubt Heimdall would be able to beat the likes of Ares especially since Ares would figure out his weakness and create a weapon specifically to end him, remember that he was the creator of the Blades of Chaos so creating something similar to Draupnir spear shouldn't be impossible. Heimdall was not the only time-manipulating opponent that Kratos ever fought, Castor & Pollux and Sisters of Fate had that power as well. Also the only reasons Baldur was able to keep up with Kratos were because of his invulnerability and the fact that Kratos refused to use his full power, Cory Barlog even stated back then that Kratos would incapacitate Baldur for the whole game if he used his full power in their first fight. Feats-wise the major Greek Gods outclassed them

@@darkemperortheobscureone694 Not to mention Ares is the God of War (before Kratos). If he couldn't attack Heimdall directly, he'd probably perform a psychic attack (like what he did to the Ghost of Sparta) which would break the Aesir's mind.

Heimdall killing Kratos without the spear?🤣 What are you smoking, bro?

@@darkemperortheobscureone694 I agree, but i was talking about his strength among the Aesir. Disagree though about the Ares part, its really impossible to know how that fight would go. Sisters of Fate are a league of their own, no sense in really putting them in the conversation, they are stronger than everybody except Kratos. Never actually heard that statement, but it kind of doesnt make sense, i think Kratos did use his full power, in the 1st fight he was just a bit rusty ( iirc Eric said that)

@@fabianocaruana8622 Thor clearly was stronger than him and he was afraid of Thor when Thor confronted him, he only dared to insult him when he was not around. It's easy to see how the fight between him and Ares would go: Ares has tons of arsenals up his sleeves including elemental manipulation (mostly fire) and psychic attacks, Heimdall's weakness is AOE attack so Ares could either summon rain of arrows and fire to overwhelm his sense or use his psychic attack, then Ares could go for the killing blow. For the Baldur fight it was a tweet from years ago and it actually makes sense because he didn't want to cause too much destruction which could put Atreus in danger and draw unwanted attentions from the Norse gods (he had no idea who Baldur was)