KRIEG | Warhammer 40k Book Review and Discussion 

Value of life? No, rather it's simple logistics, the Krieg can survive the fallout and hold the line against the Orks, so there's no benefit to sacrificing the Cadians in such a situation.

@@KageRyuu6 that same Colonel decided that Krieger will absorb most of the casualties when planning to attack the Hive

@@KageRyuu6 Exactly why they value their lives.

And thats a very low estimate given that hive worlds can get to the hundreds of billions, and terra alone is said to house a quadrillion

And all things considering that's a very low estimate, we know that the population of even a single hive city has a population of 10 to 100 billion, with 85% of Imperial worlds having a hive city on them.

Soldiers don’t win wars, beans win wars. Logistics is your limiting factor in this equation. You’d need billions of battleships and transports to move the men, the equipment, and food required to win campaigns. The Imperium’s military might is governed entirely by the speed of the Mechanicus to build stuff.

@@SigRho1429 who needs supply when you are just a canon fodder. Like most of this guardsman are ended up dead so the supply provided are gonna have low expectation of surviving soldier

@@caretakercat7176 Yes, but even your cannon fodder need to be able to sustain itself to be good cannon fodder.

Steve Lyons basically writes the majority the Krieg lore as far as I can tell.

Only problem in that book is needless love story between a mine manager and a governors daughter. It just felt out of place.

@@tomseppanen2316 They spend like 80 percent of the book separated so it didn't really bother me. It did make the ending hurt even more though.

@@cousinzeke4888 my man's got shafted after he spent so much time growing from being wimpy to being strong and capable

@@treaosserrare9826 and suicidal

the 15 years old blonde kid you see in German war photo, yeah that's a Krieger

the inquisitor says that a krieg grenadier is 19 and thinks thats a bit too young.

@@matthiuskoenig3378 each of them had at least 5 years of service so yeah

Loved that part, but was a bit confused. The inquisitor made it out to be a whole thing that the technology was obtained through heretical deals, but then it turned out to just be a couple of nukes. I was expecting a bit more tbh.

@@npags2911 Even the people of the imperium understand how terrible nukes can be.

Prince Charming joke reference?

Finn from adventure time

Trench kindred am I rite?

@@majormajorasic fortification

That book got me into genestealer cults!

Should have waited for the Genestealer Combat Patrol bro, no idea when it’s coming out but it’s a bunch of minis for $200

Hell yeah, it is such a great read and not too long.

Oh it is getting me there as well help

Dude, yes! I was considering dropping my GSC, but goddamn if that book didn't reinvigorate my faith in the Four-Armed Emperor.

... sound horrible. Considering the shit they have WMDs are just a Tuesdays for the imperium it appears to be an idiot on a soup box. Thanks for saving me the time.

i mean the bone fragments and emotions thing has always been in krieg lore. vraks describes them as quick to anger.

Even then her death did affect him in a big way. Even in the book jurten says greel told him she was just one soldier, and thats what he needed to hear.

Too bad we never found out… 🤦🏻‍♂️

Yeah AdMech gave Krieg Vitae-Womb tech and maintains it after they found out how mechanically obedient Krieg regiments were.

and also yes, the launch codes were given on the last imperiun transmition on the same day that the antena was shot down.

the orginal siege of vraks says the vitae-womb birthing techniques was only given to krieg by the admech after they returned to the imperial fold. so that is not a retcon.

It would! Especially Lorgar

I always road the memes about how is all his fault but after listing to the first heretic his story is fantastic probably one of the best written traitor primarchs.

@@shell5900 yea I really wanted to hate Him in the first heretic but you just can’t by the end especially after his conversation with magnus. You see how broken his spirit really is. Also it’s just hard t hate Gman in general. Ik all the blueberry memes are great as somewhat justified but Bobby Gman is a breath of fresh air in current lore.

I see you are a true fan of chaos. It's a well known rule that any time a request is made the faction/character gets moved to the back of the list of things to be covered. Nothing quite as chaotic than betraying a legion to move it to the back of the line. Edit: I'm just curious who you REALLY want them to cover that you're pushing word bearers to the back of the list. You clever dog.

The first heretic is my favourite 40k book

well, they have nothing to live for but everything to die for

@@PodreyJenkin138 ahh reading the book I must have misinterpreted that My bad.

@@xuanquang9815 sad but true.

They aren't clones as that is complete Heresy to the Imperium, how a Kriegsman is made is they combine DNA from a random male and female from the gene-records and then put them in an Vita-Womb. They are Vat Grown humans so are given numbers instead of names to keep them without identity they don't have names and the only reason most of the time they don't take off their masks is that a sizable portion of Kriegsmen are teenagers.

I think this is it, tbh. They feel bad because they are indeed clones of Jurten, and they repent his actions as though they are "shared". Sort of like the Blood Angels, and the memories of Sanguinius but not due to geneseed.

vita wombs arent cloning tanks, theyre basically giant ivf vats that gestate and indoctrinate them till they are ready to train. cloning has been tried in the imperium and they are cursed with horrible luck. no matter how good clones are they all get the lamenter treatment because they have no souls.

its probably more a reference to krieg lore, where they recieve names of people considered innocient during the civil war, after they have proven themselves. the guy probably just got 'lucky' and received the name jurten. they can't be clones because clones are unlucky in 40k lore, the warp doesn't like clones. and kriegers are not unlucky.

​@@matthiuskoenig3378 i think every colonel of krieg is jurten, that way he is their eternal leader. he was confused when asked what his name was, so they most likely treat it as a title.

all the more proof that Big E is a god of Order or a Chaos god of Tyranny.

i disagree on that last part. all imperials are brainwashed, especially space marines, which lorewise are supposed to be more emotionless than kriegers and there are plenty of compelling stories written from marines perspective.

With how the tech priest was acting during the book, I kept expecting it to reveal that he would be like "lmao I'm doing this for chaos" and then them actually feeling shame for the actions they took or something. I mean the tech priest straight up lies that Jurten okayed using the wombs and stuff.

No I think it was more supposed to be symbolic as that Krieger was the colonel/planetary governor of the planet thus he was in effect Jurten

Sodaz Yeah, they know 5 guardsmen to take out 1 chaos marine is a amazing trade in favor of the guardsmen

There's not really anything about being a clone that means you don't have a personality or a character. People are formed by their experiences, and it doesn't really make sense for them to act this way other than the author saying "well that's just how it is". I don't think that's good writing.

@@hellayeproductions6739 So, a culture literally revolving around " You live and die for the Emperor. Everything else you do that's not furthering your goal is wasting time and might earn you his ire, rather than his forgiveness. " - isn't reason for the majority of them to be so emotionally repressed that they'd not make compelling characters. Goooot it. That's like saying " Ultramarines are so good because they're adaptable. " - when it's because Matt Ward LOVES Ultramarines and can't stand for his blue babies to be hurt too long. Meanwhile, if an author is like " Yes, they die in droves and many of them are clones that while they're shaped by experience, they HATE small talk, they hate anything that's not about war and earning their penance to the Emperor and they go so far as to hate any other guard regiments because they see them as cowards with all of their " Oh but what if this happens, what if that happens? " - adapt. ... So yes, they're gonna obviously be a bit uninteresting considering the only ones with personality are generals and commanding officers and even then, they're not eccentrics like some officers. They see the rank as " I've gone from joining charges to leading them, now I'm ordering them. " and that's it. They're military minds. Not sociable minds. That's another thing... if you take someone and clone them, then put them all in the same general situation, most of them will get similar experience and all be similarly shaped. In fact that's likely why they use the clone templates they have. Detached, unfeeling guardsmen that fight despite MASSIVE casualty rates that would drive Cadians to fall to their knees and pray. We all like to think " Oh, individualism is required in this and that- " - but they literally strip you of that if you go into the modern military too, so why the heck do people think it'd be any different in a MUCH more brutal version of warfare..? Why? It wouldn't. It'd be worse in fact because all soldiers are put through intense indoctrination from birth and know nothing other than war and serving the Emperor so that one day the planet of Krieg and her people might be forgiven their transgressions. There's no Ciaphas Cain from Krieg. Kriegers won't run unless ordered to because " The Emperor needs your life sold elsewhere. Not here. " And even the generals wish to fight and die on the field, but they know that they've developed experience enough that they're required in the war room, rather than the field. That's why the book comes across more cold. It's a book about Krieg, so makes sense it would try to put you in their mindset of " Straight to the point, here's your information, learn this. " - rather than treating you like a baby that needs " The radiance of the salvo's detonation and the clap of it all was deafening. It could be felt in every man's bones from miles off as we observed the bombardment from behind our masks. " - that's about all the descriptors you're gonna get from them, honestly. Considering this guy has written books that aren't from a Krieger's strict point of view, but has Kriegers in it in a more " amusing " and detailed way, there's other books for that sort of thing, certainly. It's not " THIS ARTIST IS SO BAD AND USING THAT AS AN EXCUSE. " - it's more of " He's trying to make it sound similar to how a guardsman from Krieg writes. "

I mean i understand that but there comes in a factor of their training vs krieg training standards. Krieg die in the hundreds through practice seminars. On top of that, the city is not a literal hellscape of nuclear waste. Plus these are troops they are giving to go fuck off to do whatever. Im sure if you sound the alarm all the krieg "reservists" would dwarf those numbers

Krieg vs necrons Point of view is from a commissar serving with krieg and civilians stuck between krieg and necrons

cool theory, but clearly Dkok chooses their officers by picking the one who serves the longest and promote them

@@xuanquang9815 my theory can still work though if the have certain one picked to be sent to officer school.

@@alphariusomegon3965 no your theories directly contradict the lore; 1) the siege of vraks and Orpheus war says they use eugenics and breeding to keep away mutation and breed the best soldiers possible. you wouldn't need this if you just reused DNA from jurten and his orginal men. (which is reinforced in down amongst the deadmen) 2) the lore specifically says they pick officers based on ability not bloodlines, and all kriegers have to start as privates and work their way upthe ranks as veterans. 3) krieg is described as being full of underground hive cities in both novels and the imperial armour books, and deadmen walking (by the same author as this novel) goes on to say these hive cities are full of pregnant women. krieg confirms vitae wombs are artificial wombs, but its not their only method of produceing soldiers

Good point. Very good point.

orginal krieg lore says that kriegers are so important, effective and devout that minor heresies (like the vitae wombs) are ignored and the high lords of terra themselves ordered this and that nothing should get in the way of creating more krieg regiments and an ever increaseing amount of resources is devoted to increaseing their number. its not a new thing with krieg.

it would mention if they were clones considering some of them are forced to remove their masks and they are not shown to be identical. the colonels name is jurten because colonel jurten will always be their leader. even now, a colonel is in charge of krieg, even though they were forced to take militarum rankings.

What's more fucked up is it's turning him into a god but if he tries to stop it he will die a mortal death and Terra will be consumed by the warp and then humanity will be thrown back into the dark ages and every planet will be cut off from the other. So the Emperor kinda just has to let it happen

@@jeambeam3173 personally O think it’s been the plan the entire time. What if he is the FIFTH chaos god. The god of order. Destined to arrive and bring order back to the warp t belive it was.

Sus

krieg is sus?!

@@JoseKobeC.Sanchez Not as sussy at those cultists lemme tell ya

@@selectionn Krieg are amogus