On contrary - artillery often paves the way for entry, no doors will stay locked, the bigger - the better. However, not in the sense of it's affordability.
Apparently when the Japanese invaded Thailand in 41the teenagers from a local military cadet school ("'Yuwachon Thahan") at Chumphon wheeled one of these out to help the regular troops and provincial police fight off the Japanese. Mad lads.
Actually they are not cadet, but just regular high school students who served in the army reserve force. Edit: these students were also ordered to fix bayonet and fight hand to hand combat with the japanese before the prime minister ordered them to surrender. The last student participate in combat has passed away last year.
@@opie7afe I shoot (full auto 7,62 NATO, both reduced and full power) the damn thing a number of times in the 80s , could disassemble it blinded at the time . Love it for good reason, universal machineguns maybe an old concept but boys they mean business. A semiauto one is a great deal, or it would exact its price in ammos every fifteen minutes if shoot as she wants to.
yes these rigs show seamlessly made steel rings, wich were a world innovation at its time by krupp.so they made it there company logo. still is it today.
The 50 mm Krupp gun later was designated as "Type 49 mountain gun" (49 is 2449 B.E.) and served as second line battalion gun for the infantry until the end of World war II
@@shawnr771 Yeah that's what I'm thinking too. Like, firing it once wouldn't be too hard. Aiming it, or controlling the elephant afterwards would be tricky though
Well of course he was one of us. The real trick was being one of the cool ones who, eventually, managed to put something back together in functioning order afterward. And at that moment the choir sang a loud chorus, the skies opened, and the light was revealed, amen. LMAO
It's actually an ancient occult symbol. There are a few variations but all of them are essentially 3 intersecting circles used to represent the triple goddess. Germans used to be good Christian folk who would not have tolerated that kind of thing so that's probably why they called it "three intersecting railroad wheel tyres."
It's important to remember that in 1906 pack & draft animals were the primary way a field army would move equipment both for logistical as well as combat purposes. So it makes sense that there would be a general emphasis on portability in artillery design.
I've been waiting for this video since I read an article about them in an old 1980s gun magizine as a kid. Thank you Ian, the work you do to document there's historically interesting arms is greatly appreciated.
Probably a bit of confusion between the Krupp logo and the Thai acceptance chakr. Both circular, just that one has 3 circles and one is just bladed. Honest mistake.
Yes they symbolize seemles railroad trackwheels which the old Krupp invented the maufactoring procedure for. Das sind drei überlappende nahtlose Eisenbahn-Radreifen, deren Walzprozess der alte Krupp sich hat patentieren lassen.
Always see some of these lying around in front of the ministry of defense building near the palace . Never knew their histories. Thank you for the reviews , It's been an honor. ขอบคุณมากครับ
Ah! This is more like it! One local gun shop in Alexandria, Virginia (Hunter's Haven, formerly located at 0 Prince Street, now closed) used to sell cannons back in the 50s and 60s. They still had a few as late as the 1990s. There was a German 75mm infantry gun (which worked), a German rocket launcher, a couple of Italian 47mm anti-tank guns and a few others, including one or two French 25mm anti-tank guns. I got there early one Saturday morning before they opened and examined them more than I usually did. The French guns had the date and place of manufacture inscribed on the gun in beautiful flowing script. I thought it would make a really good rubbing (as in brass rubbing) and I made a point to do that on my next visit. Next visit I came prepared to do that and discovered that they had all been sold, all to the same man. So he who hesitates is list! But look before you leap.
If the idea of a man portable cannon interests you I'd advise having a look at the old British naval tradition that is field gun running. I live very close to the Devonport naval dockyards and we used to go and watch them almost every year when I was young, I believe they've stopped doing them now though.
I remember when Interarms imported these in the 1960s, . .long article in Guns/Guns &Ammo, going into all the detail, including use of (then common) 40mm Bofors casings cut down. These days, a CNC turned solid bar brass case, with a 50BMG Primer pocket, would be a better case solution. ( and a "heeled" projectile) Great Vid, Ian...keep it up. Doc AV
Fact : ร.ศ came from รัตนโกสินทร์ศก(rat-ta-na-ko-sin-sok) which mean "years of Rattanakosin", Rattanakosin is actually a thailand older name before Siam. the dynasty name is Chakri.
I like the idea of slowly coming out with better updated videos of guns you’ve previously covered. The audio and video quality is much better now than when your channel started and you’re even more experienced and knowledgeable now. If you get the chance to update old videos I’d love to to watch them and maybe they would get more views than the older videos. Keep up the great content :)
Wooden wheel parts... spokes (obviously) and fellows (curved arches that form the wheel) hope this helps and thank you for the videos and more importantly, your service!!!
I was never much of a DD person until I had an opportunity to go to a private shoot in south Georgia back in the 1990s. Kent Lomont was there with one of these along with a Solothurn S1-1000 on a wheeled mount. Ever since then both of those guns have been on my dream list.
Mountain guns are flipping awesome 😁 If you ever come to Italy we have plenty of those from WWI and WWII still left of mountain ridges which are now basically used as trail markers and monuments. To think that they were carried up there with mules and manpower still amazes me. I got to see some of them personally and damn I was tired as balls by just getting up there with a backpack while using modern and comfy gear, I don't even want to think what kind of ordeal must have been to bring those heavy bastards up there while carrying all your military kit, in the snow, wearing clothes with poor weather insulation, eating crap food, to theb get shot at by the other side... A damn cool sight tho, if you ever want to do an alternative summertime holiday, I can recommend it, the mountaneering side of things is super easy, highschool teens can easily do it and they usually don't require any kind of tenting since there are plenty of mountain lodges in reasonable proximity 😁👍
I've always thought these light/pack/infantry guns were an interesting operational compromise between mortars and full-sized field guns. I wonder what the people who used them thought of them.
Thing is, this gun and guns like it were developed long before the Stokes mortar that was the basis for all modern mortars was actually a thing. The first Stokes mortar was built and deployed to France in 1915. And really, I would take a Stokes mortar over this thing every day.
@keith moore Considering the weight of the old style Mortars, sod carrying that about, Any artilllery pice with a base plate firing over 45 dgress of elevation is a mortar.
@keith moore Point taken,thoug I wonder as we are thinking aloud.WouldaMortar actually repllace a mountain gun? A gun being direct trajectory, would certainly make a more sense to me in mountain terrain, if forno other reason tha I wouldn't fancu firing a mortar under and overhang.
Hi Ian, No, the three interlocked rings are the Krupp Company Logo (around 7:54 min) It's still the Logo Today (elevators), they are called ThyssenKrupp today after they merged with Thyssen!
That polypropylene lanyard is a bit of an eyesore. Got to go for some 3-strand bright white cotton rope and some fancy splice work. Yes there are rope nerds.
Sisal rope was actually what we commonly used back in the day in Thailand. Most likely would be the type of rope people would use on this cannon as well.
Hi, Ian. The guys who made that little cannon were craftsmen. There are very few people today who can make wheels like that. Yeh, I know nobody wants wheels like that, but the point stands. Woodworking, casting, and iron mongering were necessary skills back in the day. The value of craftsmen today shows that we still respect them. If you want a gold crown for one of your teeth, you had better go to a dentist that knows what he is doing. Don't forget to wear your sound-blockers when you fire that one. I like it. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
Hi Ian, are you sure the Thai military uses the Krupp company logo as their property mark? Very fortunate coincidence if so, as they would not have to restamp after it came out of the factory! 7:49 (a bit after) for those interested, I could be wrong.
In 1984 I was lucky enough to go to the Royal Show, one of the displays were teams of soldiers - stripping down canons and taking them over a slue of obstacles, it was quite impressive, your post has just pulled that memory from my noodle, thanks👍
In case you were wondering, the A/R means "an der Ruhr", which translates to "at the Ruhr". The Ruhr is the local river, which the area got its name from "Ruhrgebiet" (Ruhr Area. So the full city name on that plaque would be "Essen an der Ruhr". the river suffix is used for clarification purposes, as multiple cities have the same names across Germany.
It's something like that, you expect to see in old film of troops going through the jungle with bits hanging off the side of an mule or donkey, such as in Burma.
I LOL for the "you can certainly pull this apart & put in a compact car", but then I remembered how many astronomer friends I have that would think nothing of loading a up to 16" diameter reflecting telescope into a compact for a weekend stargazing. I even had a friend who arrived at one star-party with a sub-compact (Vauxhall Corsa) carrying a 24" talescope, mirror cell & mount in the back & the 8 foot long tube trapped to the roof-rack.
If you were to make a video about a unusual very unknown gun, dating back in times of 1945-1950, the M2 Vigneron might need some more recognition. A very unknown SMG used by the Belgian military after WWII, and a really interesting one.
I wonder if this is the one Garry James posed with in Guns & Ammo a number of years ago? It was an article on home defense firearms. He posed behind a Krupp 50mm like this one while covered in ammo belts, a couple of handguns shoved in his belt, a shotgun and cutlass. All framed in an open doorway. It was certainly tongue in cheek for the associated article. I still have it somewhere.
Though long made obsolete by various forms of man portable "recoilless rifles", I must admit to having a soft spot for "mountain guns/howitzers" such as this one and those utilized in WWII. Mortars can be really, really nice....But when you need to put rounds on target, such as in the form of a fortified tunnel entrance on an island such as Tarawa, Iwo Jima, or Okinawa, a relatively smallish HE round in the 50mm to 76mm range could come in handy I think.
Thailand or Siam (Siam was the name of Thailand at that time before it was changed from Siam to Thai during Field Marshal Plaek Pibulsongkram period) ordered a Krupp 50mm twice. In October 23, 1902 8 of this gun was order and again in August 4, 1905, another 40 was order.
I think I watched that other one last night! Before knowing of this one. The breech & wheels I was like, yeah that's how you'd do it. The spade, that took some thought.
The Three Ring Logo isn't a property mark, it's the Logo of Krupp it pictures three railway wheel rings that's what Krupp is/was famos for they invented a method to made those rings out of a single forged bar in splitting them open it up and form a ring out of it w/o any seam it was way stronger and lasted longer instead of casting one or use a bar and forgewelded it together.
wow. ian still gets up at basically 5 in the morning to post daily videos like a grown-ass adult. i, on the other hand, have yet to go to sleep for the night. cheers!
It's possible that the early\simple sight was kept on the ones in frequently mobile service, while the better sights went on the ones weren't expected to be moved as often, otherwise I suspect most that were getting disassembled wouldn't ever be "zeroed" and some of the updated sights probably had parts breakage.
Imagine, you're in the bad part of town. A pickup truck pulls up next to you and a dude in the back aims this bigass cannon at you. What are you gonna do?
