Nagano, JAPAN - 1998 Winter Games, Ice Dancing, Free Dance - Anjelika Krylova and Oleg Ovsiannikov of Russia placed 2nd in the Free Dance and ended up winning the Silver Medal.
Oui je regrette aussi Marina Anissa et Gwendal pezera c était plus spectaculaire maintenant c'est Gabriela et Guillaume plus fluide c est différent ils ont révolutionné le patinage
One of the few renditions of Carmen on ice where I recognise the story. "Carmen" is one of the most over-used pieces of music ever in ice skating, yet 99% of the time it's just "dressing in red and black and making sexy moves that look kind of Spanish"... Here at least, you recognise the essence of the story: drama, passion, tragedy... I see people complaining that the choreography is "ugly" or too aggressive... But this is exactly what Carmen is about. Carmen is a very dark, violent story. It's not supposed to be all smiles and prettiness.
Sophitia totally get what you mean. I appreciated the authenticity to the storyline. I know Carmen isn’t all beauty, but some of the choreography just didn’t work for me.
@@susanfield3680 The choreography was far too open in the handholds. Technically, I had this free dance ranked far behind not only Grishuk & Platov but also Anissina & Peizerat and Punsalan & Swallow. The latter team surprises me as I was never a fan of them but their 1998 free dance was excellent.
gk891 Well we all know that back in that day, with block judging, the outcome was predetermined. The second Russian pair was already a shoo-in. I think that K/O had the ability to be great, but their material was just a miss. Too bad- I really liked their Masquerade Waltz free the year before. I LOVED Punsalan/Swallow’s tango. Their dancing reminds me of what we are seeing today; not as dramatic, gimmicky, and traditional as some of the stuff we saw in 1998. They were underscored!!
@@susanfield3680 With this team, it helped that they were the second ranked Russian team and their coach (Linichuk) was very powerful as she trained a lot of teams around the world (which essentially 'bought' some of the judges). However, part of her downfall started when she tried to get rid of Grishuk & Platov after the 1996 Worlds and the ensuing drama that unfolded during the 1996-1997 season when Grishuk & Platov were almost not allowed to skate at Europeans that year and when they showed up with Tarasova as their coach instead of Linichuk.
Не знаю такого накала страстей, как на этой Олимпиаде. Два непревзойденных дуэта соревновались. Но им нет равных. Должно быть две золотые медали. Это тот случай, когда великие дуэты - лучшие и равные. Бесподобная красивая Анжелика и её прекрасный партнёр Олег. А Великолепные Наталья Линичук и Геннадий Карпоносов - мы вас помним. И спасибо за этот дуэт!!!
Шикарный танец!!! Заслуживает золотой олимпийской медали!!! Но к сожалению золотая медаль она одна!!! Желаю Анжелике добиться золотой олимпийской медали со своими учениками Василисой и Никитой!!! Удачи!!!
Столько страсти, столько эмоций. Супер!!! Мне очень понравилось. До сих пор в памяти та Олимпиада с триумфом Наших фигуристов. Молодцы!!!! Анжелика такая красавица.
Да! Сколько неутоленной страсти, сжигающих чувств и острой боли в этом танце! Настоящий спектакль на льду! А этот красный платок, пробирает до мурашек! Жаль, что золотая медаль одна! Но их серебро равнозначно золоту!
j'ai toujours adoré ce couple aux programmes exceptionnels tout est musique danse le sublime en patinage ce sont eux qui l'ont apportés à la danse russe pas comme maintenant où en russie la danse est en perdition complète, bravoooo pour ce sublime prog
Грищук и Платов (кадры в конце)... Говорят, они под конец друг друга уже еле терпели и разбежались сразу после Олимпиады. Но у кого ещё была такая энергетика на льду?
Не знаю, мне эта пара больше нравилась. Но я крайне предвзята.) Я обожала Крылову, а Грищук у меня никогда симпатии не вызывала) к мужикам к обоим хорошо относилась
Definitely prefer their Carmen to Navka/Kostomarov's in 2006. It's so much faster and has more energy despite the second half of this program mostly being them performing instead of skating. They really performed the hell out of it. Especially Anjelika damn she was going for it.
The first section was excellent, the speed, the moves, the choreography all worked, but when the music changed the quality of the programme fell. It's a pity, because there were more chances in the music and in the skaters, especially in Krylova, who looked really spanish.
А мне не очень понравилось Грубовато.чуть ли не половой акт показали.и такой у нее вульгарный грим.то ли дело Бестемьянова и Букин и их "Кармэн".Там просто произведение на льду.И читать не нужно.Они это вполне могут повторить на театральных подмостках.Даже без текста.Их поймут в любой точке земного шара Пересматриваю по сто раз.наслаждаюсь высоким искусством.
Анжелика - лучшая Кармен , которую я видел 👏👍 Просто великолепная , сногсшибательная , невероятное попадание в образ. Мне было не так много лет в 1998 году , но их выступление поразило , и сейчас поражает. Место должно было быть выше .
Что с российскими дуэтами в танцах сегодня???? Ни постановок ни страсти в прокатах ??? Куда все подевались ???? Позор какой то на корейских играх !!! Где такие как в этом ролике шикарные неповторимые по накалу постановки ? Где тренеры ! ?
ну именно этот танец я не ставила бы в пример, хотя вообще то согласна с вопросом "куда все подевалось". Но ответ может быть в том, что измененные требования привели за собой и другой типаж фигуристов. Я недавно читала интервью с Хагенауером, который раньше работл в Лионе в том числе с парой Анисина Пейзера а теперь почти весь пъедистал на международных соревнованиях его ученики, и он как раз говорил, что раньше были времена ледовых див (Грищук, Крылова, Анисина, Фузар-Поли и тд)скандалы на люду, скандалы вне льда, эмоции, страсти итд. Теперь же все девочки спокойны, собраны, и вообще почти часовые механизмы по исполнению твизлов. Да и для постановок в программе минимум времени - надо делать элементы((((
Тренеры уже в возрасте и им не надо воспитывать дуэты с детства. И спортсмены измельчали. Базарная баба Катя Боброва и младший сын Андрея Букина Иван это все что у нас есть?! Да самовлюбленный Никита Кацалапов!!! И Жулин тренер средней руки,но спортсмен был хороший. И танцы на положении бедной родственницы сегодня в России. Когда 4 года подряд еле ползающая по льду Пападакис со своим партнером коронуются в лидеры мировых танцев,то смотреть на них уже не хочется. Надоели эти нудли от Лозонов.
Но Самая лучшая Кармен это Наталья Бестемьянова. Это страсть и скорость и россыпь 6.0 за арстистизм ЧЕ 1985 г в Гетеборге. Затем Вирту Моир. Кармен 21 века. Но Крылова и Навка это пародия на Кармен. Кстати в кино Сара Монтьель и Морис Роне лучше всех играли эту историю. Фильм назывался "Кармен из Йомбры". Ну не тянут Олег с Ромой на Хозе. Пролетарское и рабочее происхождение на лице видно у обоих.
Вижу скорость высокая, техника, артистизм на высоте и вообщем сильно конечно... Просто не защемило сердце , не появился ком в горле как от катания Грищук и Платова.
Very dramatic and expressive. She lived that programme.Although not my cuppa tea preferred Grishuk and Platov Memorial.I did like the OD Jive programme better from this team.
This is all very typical of most of Linichuk & Karponosov's teams. Their basics tend to be ok but not great by any means. I also didn't care for their stiff posture and tense handholds. These issues were especially evident in their compulsories.
Canadian commentators were Paul Martini, Chris Cuthbert, and Sandra Bezic (yes, she commentated for CBC too, just like Wilson commentates for CBC and CTV)
I strongly disagreed with Wilson's comment that they should've won. This FD had some nice moments but Linichuk's choreography was almost always too 'open', especially in the handholds. The content wasn't quite there for them to challenge for first place.
Well what did you expect her to say. That Gritschuk & Platov should have won. Tracy hated Gritschuk & Platov with every fibre of her being. She would rather eat glass than ever admit they deserved to win an event, let alone their historic 2nd Olympic Gold.
Quite simply to me, this dance was not as difficult as G/P's. I feel that this program beat G/P in performance but G/P had more difficult moves and lifts.
Прекрасная Пара в Танцах на Льду. Танец Шедевр. Очень приятно Слушать музыку и видео Чудесное смотреть. Всего самого наилучшего вам в жизни Успехов во всем.
Намного интереснее был танец у Платова и Грищук! Так что нечего фигню пороть Крыловой во время интервью!!! Какая политика??? Вы из одной страны. Победителей не судят. Платов и Грищук выиграли заслуженно! А у вас некоторые поддержки просто омерзительны. Танец некрасивый, дух не захватывает. И эти ужасные гримасы Крыловой! Меня просто смех разбирал. Типа изображала страсть!
zgadzam się z komentatorką - nadzwyczajnie charyzmatyczna para, doskonała technicznie w przepięknym stylu tańca, od 2 min. tańca nowoczesnego lat 90-tych... wielkie brawa !!!!!! program utrzymany w takiej dynamice i mistrzowskim, wysokim poziomie trudności wymaga niezwykłej kondycji, niestety 2 potknięcia partnerki prawdopodobnie spowodowały obniżenie oceny technicznej i w efekcie miejsce 2
just to think what they could have achieved with a better coach than Linichuk and less bizarre choreo. And Anzhelika herself favors a totally different aesthetic, which is evident in her own pupils Weaver/Poje, who should have won gold in 2015 at worlds
I think they could've done a bit better if they had spent some time with a coach like Dubova. Because their edges were good but not great, their handholds were very tense relative to a team like Grishuk & Platov, and her stiff back could often make them look gangly, especially in the compulsories. Linichuk's students don't seem to have the same basics that Dubova's do (at least back in the 80s and early 90s as Dubova's work started to become very disappointing after the whole Klimova/Ponomarenko/Usova/Zhulin/Grishuk/Platov/Navka fiasco).
Haha almost a tumble at 0:14, too. The Canadian commentators and Wilson (well, she's Canadian too) share the view that this was too much acting and not enough content, but it's interesting that Tracy believes they should have won.
Какой танец роскошный, не оторваться, вот это страсть, сложность, переходы шикарные и сейчас в 2023 году танцы умирают, смотреть не на что, все субьективно оценивается, но ни одна лидирующая сегодня пара не повторит то, что с легкостью исполняла эта пара, супер!
It depends on how one feels about the program. Artistry is so subjective and many felt this program was overwrought and hammy. I would've liked it better if they expressed the music a little more through their skating and a little less with their faces.
I really don’t think Angelica got Carmen at all. Not exactly sure if she saw the actual opera, but Carmen is sensual, vulgar, aggressive and feminine at the same time, whereas Angelica was only tragic and weirdly aggressive. I actually thought their performance was behind Anissina / Peizerat. As for the gold, they didn’t even come close to it. In a way, they were unfortunate to compete while Grishuk / Platov were at their best. When these two retired, they carried on for another year and won the world and European titles, but Anissina / Peizerat were making so much progress and were being so much more innovative that K/O soon realised they couldn’t keep pace with them for another three years so, sadly, they had to give up.
I’ll say this: You won’t find two more committed performers. I don’t think this program works overall but it wasn’t because they weren’t into it and didn’t give it their all. They most certainly did. That first section is outstanding but once they get to the slow part, it becomes an interpretative dance more than an ice dance. The acting, characters and storyline is there but it comes at the expense of the skating. It just doesn’t work and it won’t sell a panel of conservative judges at the Olympics. You walk away wondering how to react to it, and you don’t want people feeling confused about the emotional impact. You can even hear it from the crowd-the crowd was with them during that first section and then it was very muted the rest of the way. I think they’re brilliant but the program just is not well conceived
They're very committed performers but I don't think they're brilliant skaters. They had stiff upper bodies, tense handholds, and they often skate far apart from one another. Their edges were also good but not great. You could really see these issues in the compulsories.
This free dance should've worked very well because Krylova was born to play the role of Carmen. But like so many programs done by Linichuk & Karponosov, it failed to rise above mediocrity. I had a somewhat similar problem with Grishuk & Platov's rock'n'roll free dance in 1994. It was a fantastic idea on paper and with a different choreographer, it could've been brilliant. But instead, much like this free dance, it ended being something that had good potential but didn't quite make it all the way there. IMO anyways.
@@gk891 Yes your opinion of course, but it's so wrong haha. This is art on ice and no other Carmen comes close even 20 years later. Well except maybe Navka/Kostomarov 's but that's with COP choreography and elements. No doubt they would've been more creative with it otherwise...
@@sixiscool4649 It's only your opinion that my opinion is wrong. This free dance badly lacked content. They practically stopped skating after the first section and instead started relying on facial expressions and mime-like body movements. The handholds were badly lacking too as is almost always the case with Linichuk's students. This program was not well choreographed whether one actually likes it or not.
Despite your personal feelings about linichuk, she was an excellent coach and made her students shine. Managed to get her teams medals at important competitions and made terrible ice dancers like Belbin/Agosto improve dramatically. Her choreography was awesome artistically speaking but technically lacking though not all the time as Anjelika and Oleg's african themed dance the following year proves. Even under this God awful scoring system, she's managed decently like with Faiellea/Scali's 2010 dances and Domnina/Shabalin's Olympics dances. Yes even their aboriginal "atrocity" was masterful. The packaging was just off. Don't @ me...
I love this free dance, but I have to disagree with Tracy. I don’t see a true comparison between them and Grishuk/Platov. G/P program was full of difficult, intricate moves, and sure it can be said that they won competitions unfairly (looking at you 1994 Olympics and 1997 Worlds) but this was a fair victory. The only thing K/O have is speed. I mean Oleg sprints down the whole length of the ice as fast and as hard as he can. It’s amazing! 😊
Well, Grishchuk and Platov did skate very fast too. And they did in while in closed dance holds, changing positions, doing complicated steps. Oleg could move fast while skating alone, and at that level it's not considered difficult at all.
@@nathanielharper8701 I also think G&P won the 1997 Worlds fairly. K&O made a major error in the Golden Waltz compulsory dance that should have placed them outside of the top 6 in that dance. I also had them outside of the top 3 in the Rhumba compulsory dance as I thought a number of other teams handled that dance better than them. In the OD, I did have K&O in second place. But in the FD, I only had K&O in third behind G&P (yes they did make errors but the level of content was so far above what K&O attempted) and A&P (their FD was also far more ambitious in terms of content than K&O's FD).
It was fast paced but the content was well below that of not only Grishuk & Platov but also Anissina & Peizerat and Punsulan & Swallow. The handholds just weren't there in this program. They also practically stopped skating after the first section of the program and started to rely on facial expressions and mime-like body movements.
talented skaters but the choreography was too frenetic and overly dramatic with some really ugly positions and poses; B&B's carmen of 1985 was far superior
She often has good ideas but she's not very good at making them come alive. Not only is the choreography very open in the handholds but her programs tend to be aggressively banal.
I think this team had better speed, unison, appropriate drama, more solid edges and complete moves and polish than Gritschuk and Platov. I would have had them first the FD. G and P were too ragged.
103327 LNK I`m also really surprised at how many thought that K&O should've won. This was a very well rehearsed program as it was sharp and very aggressive. But they practically stopped skating after the first section of the program and started relying on facial expression and mime-like body movements. They also skated further apart whereas Grishuk & Platov were much more tightly entwined within complex handholds and their free dance kept building towards the end. And it was amazing how they kept carving out huge patterns on the ice with their amazing running edges, extending their free legs in unison with one another, and all of their moves were done with little set-up time. This free dance on the other hand had way too much hand to hand and side by side skating. I actually would've placed K&O's free dance well behind not only G&P but also Anissina & Peizerat and Punsulan & Swallow (the latter surprised even me as up until 1998, I was never a fan of Punsulan & Swallow).
Better speed - no; better unison - maybe; Drama - oh yes (even though it was overkill); more solid edges - no; more complete moves - they were maybe better defined but not more complete; polish - maybe (and only because Oksana sometimes didn't look very attractive while doing some movements) (imho of course)
Анжелика красива была,но вот Олег этакий мешочек картошки,полноват и на Хозе не тянет. Вот Владимир Федоров её первый партнёр,с которым они стали в Праге в 1993 году бронзовыми призёрами на ЧМ,то это лучший вариант. А Линичук как тренер повторяла то,чему учила её Чайковская. Ужимки и прыжки из 70-х годов 20 века И где она теперь?! А Моисееву и Миненкова,кстати,а Ирина хорошая Кармен была,помнят. А Крылова ну хоть детей родила и замуж за буржуина Камерленго выскочила.
Ужас, а не комментарий. Противно читать. Линичук великолепна, Анжелика красавица. А вы кто? Чтобы так писать? Чего то добились? Или от злости? Будьте добрее.
Крылова чуть крупнее Овсянникова и движения у них какие то сильно размашистые что ли. Вроде все динамично, энергично, а чувствуется перебор... Спору нет талантливы, но не гениальны!
Как же задолбали уже эти оголтелые фанаты Грищук-Платов, пока двести раз не напишут какие те хорошие и какие эти плохие не успокоятся. Свалите уже и целуйтесь на своём Мемориале.
