It ain’t really a competition ktm’s professionally built and tuned so yeah.but if the Apollo was tuned better and properly and got a new carb maybe it would be stronger.
Don’t get me wrong though KTM‘s a way better company than that chinese Apollo brand obviously, but still like a TTR 125 or the honda 125 4t would still lose because they’re built for different purposes
no IT WOULD BE FASTER DUMBY for 1 bc the ktm IS A 65cc and the apollo is a 125cc the onky reason the ktm won is bc 2 strokes have more acceleration than 4 strokes do but 4 strokes have a higher top speed if the apollo had a built and tuned up mikuni on it IT WOULD LEAVE THT KTM IN THE DUST.
@@damoncatlin734 🤔🤔 hummm, I bought it from a person that had it rebuilt at a shop and when unloaded it at my house I pulled the spark plug took a flashlight and looked at the top of the piston and it was shiny and new indicating that the top end was in fact brand new so perhaps they did something wrong during the rebuild. I was thinking if anything the lower crank bearing was going which would cause slap in the piston rod. But I've never tore down an engine that had that kind of noise so I'm not really sure what it could be. Any body else have any suggestions?
QUADNATION 929 they probably didn’t replace the bearing that the rod and the piston are connected with Edit:I got a rm125 and the guy who fixed it didn’t put the bearing in
I like how you swapped bikes cause most of the time, speed is based on the rider. Sure those 2 are no where near comparable... but thanks you guys for testing it or we'd never know for sure
Yeah that KTM was a beast and whooped the Apollo no matter which rider was on it. My brother has some really good drag racing skills so when we swapped there wasn't any difference in the outcome.
17 tooth front sprocket and a new carb runs like a freaking beast. Fittings for jettings are hard to find though, don’t get to big of a carb it’ll just bog and cause a hassle
Ktm is 20kg lighter and it has about 6hp more. It cost about 5 times more lol. Not 5 times better though... I would take 5 apollos over 1 ktm any day of the year. And the best thing is most of the parts are propably made in china anyways.
Stumbled onto your first impressions of the Apllo and really just loved the energy you out into your videos. I'm not a dirt bike rider just a regular street bike rider but I think you've just won me over to try out dirt bikes. Any recommendations for an entry level bike for a young 50 year old?? Active 50 year old that is!!
I’m 44 learning on pit bike and bought 09 crf250r. Fk me the crf is an animal but high maintenance and TOO big for my short arse legs lol. 250 good if you fit on it
Is this a joke? You can't compare a 65cc twostroke actualy engine made for racing, to a 4strok 125 fourstroke made out of pinecones and used diapers from china. That 65 will kick the shit out of those crappy china mopeds, aways.
Have you changed the carburator on the apollo because that gets them way faster. The stock ones are not set properly for maximum performance. Probably for durability. That could change a lot
DJ Theys watercooled bikes are more powerful and run cooler ,air cooled bikes get hotter thus reducing power output the hotter they get ,also why race cars are all water cooled and not air cooled, either way if the 125 was a race bike too it would most likely have a 125cc watercooled high compression engine(12-1compression or higher)with stiff valve springs ,a high lift long duration camshaft rev to 10k or higher running a higher octane and have bigger ports and bigger carb and 4 valves allowing it to suck more air in and rev higher ,that in my opinion would either smoke the 2 stroke or be on par with it , i love 2 strokes btw i have a 1996 cr500 bored to 515cc
Build quality in KTM vs Apollo is like uncomparable tho. Makes sense tho, my electric dirt bike was smoking 4 stroke 125 but only barley beat a 65 2 stroke.
People, you realize that the only way to compare a 65 two-stroke is to pair it up with a pit bike 160cc or bigger. Obviously, a 125 4-stroke of any size does not stand a chance against a 65 2-stroke!
Yes that's one thing I forgot to mention in the video. The Apollo has a wide ratio 4-speed and the KTM has a close ratio 6-speed. So if the KTM was only a five-speed the top speed would be very close to the Apollo.
For the difference in price between the two bikes, I would say the Apollo is pretty damn good. Isn’t there like a good 3000 dollar difference between the two? Great video as always as well👍🏻👍🏻
Yes, no doubt for the price the Apollo is the better bang for your buck! The Apollo is $850 shipped to your doorstep and the KTM 65SX is just over $5K so about $4K difference 🙄 I'm glad you liked the video! I appreciate all your support buddy!! ✊
@@mikeyeyey8678 to be honest I don't think the KTM is worth an extra $4,000. Now I'm definitely probably going to upset a lot of folks who are die-hard KTM fans but in my opinion KTM is overpriced. I will say they are probably number one in the race sector but to be used as a pit bike or a learning bike for my son the Apollo is definitely the way to go.
But if you think about it that Apollo is why $800 and the ktm new is a couple thousand hahaha and if that ktm breaks it’s going to be a lot more to fix it than that Apollo hahahaha
if u have the small tire version of the apollo then ofc its a loss but witht the 17 and 14 inch tires i think on the apollo it would be more even . the apollo might even win
😂😂😂 that was actually pretty funny you just made me laugh! But in all fairness please tell me how you would shift more effectively because I'm always open to learn in this sport. There's really not much room for improvement because I was shifting at optimum RPMs and power shifting at that but if you are able to teach me something that I do not know I will completely take it as constructive criticism and will not be upset So please do let me know how you would have shifted more effectively?
It may not be u, it might be the bike but when u shift it sounds like ur holding in the clutch just a bit too long. You hear how it revs up a bit before you shift? It may be u or the bike I really have no idea. But thanks for the reply that really made my day a lot better
@@brodyriekofsky844 That's actually great observation and I'm glad you brought that up just in case anybody else heard or noticed the same thing and is wondering why I was doing that. So what you observed was something called power shifting. Power shifting is where you do not let go of the throttle while shifting. During power shifting you'll quickly shift as fast as you can by pulling in the clutch and shifting the gear while at the same time never releasing the throttle. What it does is it, for a split second, allows the engine to free rev in between the gears so that when it does shift to the next gear it hits the next gear hard and gives it a slight boost as its engaging the next gear. Yes it will cause extra wear and tear on the clutch but If you're racing to the extreme level then it will give you an advantage compared to not power shifting.
QUADNATION 929 omg I never even thought of that your right. I feel so stupid. Thanks tho. Great conversation keep up the great work I absolutely love ur vids. Thanks for everything
Haha bro comments like this just make my day! 😆😆✊ I feel your pain as I haven't been on the Raptor much at all either only a ride here or there on the pit bikes just to for the filming of this race and another ride video but other than that the big tires with the Raptor have been cancelled due to this virus. Hopefully all this will pass sooner than later... Anyways I'm glad you loved the video bro!!! 🤘
QUADNATION 929 Yea it’s been crazy with that virus....hopefully I can jump back on the raptor soon just been working alot here lately back i put the gbc masters on the raptor finally lol I had them for months and finally put them on 🤦🏾♂️🤣 but keep up the good work bro 🤘🏾🤘🏾🤘🏾
The KTM is in fact a race ready bike and when riding it you can definitely tell the engineering put into the engine and chassis is beyond its years but the Apollo is still awesome for the price.
It's a small pit bike and with me being 5'7 and 180 lb it's only something to ride when you're wanting to have some fun but as far as a daily means of transportation the bike is a bit small.
It all comes down to cash in the wallet 90% of us bought Chinese cause the others are too over priced. Crf300l was the biggest pos off road & I couldn’t have sold it quick enough. Chinese bikes I’ve had for years still riding them today
I have an x pro 125 and ride with my buddy who's got a 65cc KTM. Literally the most evenly matched shit I've ever seen. Every race we run neck and neck the whole time.
That's completely doable. Go to Walmart or another business and grab one of those Visa cards and at the cash register put the cash on it and then purchase the Apollo online 👍
@@Torresito-qf5gm It was recently rebuilt prior to me purchasing it. As far as I'm aware it's been rebuilt at least twice because I seen two old pistons in the box of stuff that I got. It may have been rebuilt more than that but either way I'm not exactly sure of the total history on this bike. I do know that the engine is a bit noisy and it's an abnormal noise Not sure what's going on inside. I'm going to be pulling the head off this week.
Actually underdressed my man. I recently flipped one of them back and hit my knees pretty hard on the lime rock. My pants and jerseys did well and didn't tear whereas if I had regular clothes on they would have torn and I would have ruined a nice pair of jeans. Also the reason I say I'm under dressed is I'm going to be getting knee pads and elbow pads because my knee took a pretty good impact and never really thought about the pads until now. You can never have enough gear 👍
So you even up the riders weights . What’s the bikes weight on each that may be a determining factor . I’m sure that Harbor freight bike isn’t at the ktm’s weight . Plus if that 125 has been rung out like this all the time do a valve adjustment to give the 125 it’s full potential of power .
You have some valid points. As far as the weight of the bikes I'm not sure the difference there but this was more so of an example if someone were to line these two bikes up what to expect with different rider weights. Also the Apollo's valves are within spec as I do all my maintenance. Now it could have certainly benefited from a carb upgrade and exhaust.
My brother has an Apollo, I drove it and if you really revv out those gears, you would've probs been a lot closer behind, I stood up to a Honda CRF150R with the 125 and won all rounds.
In this case against the KTM I just could not keep up possibly because I weighed a bit more than my brother but I was definitely winding her out lol...
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Hey Quadnation I have the apollo 125 cc dirt bike and sometimes it has a hard time starting. Sometimes it starts on first or second kick but sometimes it wont start at all.
Mine does that from time to time too and What I do is I will switch the choke lever from choke, half choke, or no choke and usually moving it around it'll fire up.
I would have to disagree in this case in particular because we swapped bikes and the results remained the same. This is the very reason we swap bikes to ensure that one rider is not significantly more or less experienced than the other thus ensuring that the end results are as fair as possible.
You can put all the power you want in that Apollo motor it won’t beat that 2 stroke ktm it doesn’t have the transmission to change the gearing to beat it
I'm trying to hang in there my man. It's been difficult trying to keep my family safe. So many folks are sick and have been losing their jobs left and right and it's such a heartbreak to see this happening in our country right now. How are you and your family?
Idk how you even thought about racing these 2 against each other. Hands down ktm and it would really show with better riding skills. No disrespect. Sad but true.
The Ramon's I thought he did well, he was launching well, power shifting and shifting at perfect times. He maxed it out. If there was a poor rider on the KTM give the APOLLO an advantage, both riders switched and the race basically had the same results. What would you have done differently to ride better?
I did say no disrespect but maybe some Gary Semics videos could help. Starts are something we work on alot down here. Plus shifting a bike is nothing like shitting a car or truck. Still with all that ktms rule the mini class. There is some exceptions in the mod classes. With that said not many riders is going to have a Lorettas ready bike. Y'all have a goodnight and wish you the best with your channel.
