I often find it strange how much people focus on Kyokushin not having head punches. Well, sure, that's an obvious limitation when it comes to a street fight, an mma match, etc., but just about any martial art will have such limitations. Boxing doesn't teach kicks, but that doesn't make it bad martial art. BJJ doesn't teach striking, but nobody's saying that BJJ is ineffective because of that. The question shouldn't be what a particular martial art doesn't teach you, but how well the stuff works that it does teach. A competitive Kyokushin fighter will have good and powerful kicks. He knows how to deal damage with unprotected fists. He'll be used to the pressure and pain of a full contact fight. He'll have good stamina and general athleticism. Is that enough to win an MMA match? Of course not, but he'll have a good head start on somebody without such training. And to be honest: extremely few people have the time and physical capability to become good fighters in all areas anyways. To become truly good at boxing, kicking, takedowns, grappling, and at the same time being a strong athlete with great stamina would require training on a professional level unless you're some kind of super prodigy.
I know this is a bit late, but your comment here is one of the most underrated ones I've seen on this video. You're absolutely right about what makes a fighting style useful - a system may be limited in some regards but may offer real combative value in other areas. Great breakdown of what utility can be found in Kyokushin. 👊
That no punch on the head, since when is that? I trained Kyokushinkai in Holland in the 80tis and 90tis and we did uppercuts, hooks and straight punches on the head like boxers do.
@@jpsholland after sosai's death,kyokkushin changed. Nowadays most tournament based modern dojos don't teach it. But the old style dojos still teach it.
For info in Kyokushin your not allowed to punch in the face only in kumite or competition but you definitely learn how to protect your face or throw punchs in the face in the dojo !!!!
@@tomassusko1390 it's a ax kick u dingleberry..in taekwondo is called naeryo chagi.. that's wrong as well? How about u get ax kick to ur collar bone.. maybe that would straighten you out
I teach Kudo in Japan and I would have to agree with pretty much everything you said. The equipment and rules of Kudo make it a very different dynamic to mma. The headgear certainly has various advantages and disadvantages. Its great for practicing elbows. But some people do tend to get sloppy in their defence and over reckless in their attacks. You have to force yourself to be aware of this and train with more precision. But the headgear is also one of the reasons that I chose Kudo over mma. with the headgear I can wear contact lenses when I fight. It sure helps being able to see your opponent.😄Also I can compete in a tournament and go to work the next day without looking like I was in a car accident! Kudo grappling is very different to mma. Not so wrestling intensive. So to transition from kudo to mma would require a lot of no gi grappling.
I do Kyokushin and if their kudo dojo in the USA this would be my religion/way of life. Also there whole dynamic MMA practice with wearing glove and wrist wrap, As to Kudo/Kyokushin punching bare-knuckle strengthing the wrist and knuckles. I see a lot MMA/Muay Thai guys get into a street fight Their hands and wrist end up breaking because of lack of condition spar bare-knuckle and wrist strengthening. In Kyokushin, we do a lot knuckle push up.
there are 4 kudo schools in the USA. New York-which is Kudo and Judo based. L.A. California Which is 100% kudo taught by a Japanese Instructor who learned from the founder. Colorado- which is a Kyokushin and Kudo Blend Michigan-Metro Detroit Kudo- we are a BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai, Kudo facility
Hi Ramsey, I want to make some clarifications on Kudo and MMA. I am a former boxer, judoka, karateka, practicing bjj and a fan of Kudo. Kudo is primarily a martial art and a combat sport, MMA is a sporting context where combat takes place, this is the first distinction. Kudo, as a martial art, wants to give to the athlete a complete technical background, in a sporting context, that tries to reproduce the realistic and effective dynamics of a street confrontation. For this reason, the hand is without glove or mini-glove, the clinch must last a few seconds, and on the ground you have a few seconds to finish and for a few attempts. The consequences of this regulation create unique dynamics, both in the strikes and in the throws, both in the timings and in the ways. If it is true that the helmet does not make the athlete feel the risk (which is not true because with the kudo helmet you still go KO), it is also true that the martial artist has the opportunity to express all his technical and emotional ability without that it is excessively tainted by fear, indeed the athlete has the opportunity to experience the dynamics of a confrontation in full contact and with the chaos of a realistic fight, putting his safety at a minimum risk. MMA, as mentioned, are a sports context, where the athlete can draw, to win the opponent, the technical baggage that he deems most appropriate, based on his own characteristics and it follows that a striker remains mainly a striker and a grappler a grappler, trying to force the fight into his area of competence. But this differentiation, "striking" and "grappling", is an artifice, nature does not make this distinction, and neither does reality, the human being strikes and grapple without differences or distincions. One last thing about kudo is that it has a etiquette, a philosophy, an approach to combat and life. I still compete in MMA today, but kudo is another planet. I hope I have been of help to someone. Thanks for listening to me. Hi Ramsey!
Sure, but you know, getting too used to this type of over aggressiveness could get you hurt in the street, good defense is very important too. In that regard maybe zendokai karate is a bit better:to my understanding is kudo but with less restrictive rules and a standard headgear, so you can use your jab and cross more effectively.
@@dojimanoryu4969 you mean High concentration on grappling would be more safer than hitting arts as kickboxing and taekwondo? Ofcourse in a Street situations am pointing to now... 🙏🌹
@@dojimanoryu4969 actually,its the opposite,there is no defense on the street,just all out attack in most cases.In sport,its much different and have rume and space to defend and counter.
So many people consider that kyokushin not having head hand strikes is a fatal flaw but, in my own humble opinion, thats exactly what makes it such a GREAT martial art to practice and more specifically COMPETE in
@@albertoandrade9807 the thing that racks up brain damage the quickest is head punches (specially with gloves). Also, look at the rythim difference! Kyokushin combats have no breaks, unlike other kickboxing arts that need to worry about a "punchers chance" that can knock them out in one punch. The better fighter wins in kyokushin, which isnt always the case when you can instantly knock somebody out.
How did I miss this LOL GSP one of the best ever to step in to the octagon. Third degree Black Belt in Kyokushin .... Most people don't stick with Kyokushin it's a pretty hard on the body.. Keep on keeping coach thanks
I trained in Kyokushin Karate for 5 years with a friend of mine who was a black belt in Kyokushin. I was training in kickboxing when I first started learning martial arts and my friend thought I should learn Kyokushin as it compliments and ads more to my style of fighting. Since then Kyokushin has always been my base style and I am now doing more Kyokushin training by myself as I just work out and train with a bag and spar with who ever wants to go 1v1.
@Abdi Omxr Whatever a man does not understand he hates & whatever he hates he throws under the bus. Pay no attention to their negativity. You're most welcome and enjoy your training!
I started to train Kudo because my previous kyokushin master advised me to. He said it's a natural transition from something more traditional to mma. It's just a step, but an important one. With the helmet, you can get used to get hit in the face and you can get a very strong base for competing in mma. He advised me also to take at the same time bjj classes, so that I can improve also my ground techniques faster than the normal kudo pace.
how good is kudos ground game and takedowns? does they spend alot of time learning grappling and how often they do it? also how good do you think they would do in a pure grappling?
@@zero-z3354I’m currently training Kudo and we do just as much ground work as standup. The takedowns are mostly judo based, Striking is very much like Kickboxing or Muay Thai sinc head strikes are allowed. Also there’s multiple mma fighters at my gym including myself so we do train without the Kudo headgear as well. We learn submissions, sweeps, sub defense, takedowns, etc. Striking is mostly staying light on the feet and quick but teaches Punches Kick Knees Elbows and Headbutts
You can always tell a legit kyokushin fighter by an amateur by their body. They litteralky feel like punching a tractor tire. Part of what makes them so insanely effective is they have pushed their body's to the utmost peak of one simple concept to deliver the hardest hit possible while being able to take the hardest hit possible.
I like Kyokushinkai because it has all the good qualities of the toughest stand up fighting with a lot less head impact and damage. I think that is one reason why it is popular with professionals such as lawyers, doctors and so on who want to enjoy hard fight training without getting the brain banged up. Yes, of course you can find arguments about how it is lacking head punches but that is its strength as much as its weakness. Kudo is a nice extension to Kyokushinkai and is why a lot of Kyokushinkai fighters are also going to Kudo. The only downfall I see with Kudo is that like Mr Dewey said the head gear does NOT stop the brain from bouncing around and getting damaged. It stops the face from getting cut up though. But like American football and all the brain damage they have been dealing with I think in the long run it is still important to be really careful of the accumulated head contact. But the Kudo way of teching the wide range of techniques is really nice, like a more disciplined Kyokushinai approach to MMA which usually has no real formal etiquette. So for me Kudo is like MMA with all the good mental disciplines of Kyokushinkai (which is a lot of the time not present in mma schools) and a really nice range of techniques.
"Yes, of course you can find arguments about how it is lacking head punches but that is its strength as much as its weakness" yes =D exaclty from the few violent encounters I had in my life I stopped them all with good old giakutsuki to the ribcage or solarus plexus =D No faces got harmed =D only some prides.
Personally, I think the lack of head punches is a huge advantage for the exact reason you've mentioned. Most people doing martial arts are or start out as kids. They train for a few months or years, and then most move on to other things. But, head injuries are no joke and can mess up your life you're a little unlucky. It's especially dangerous for kids whose brains are still developing. So, if you're serious about doing martial arts and are old enough to take responsibility for the risks, cool. But, until you've experienced enough fighting/martial arts to decide whether you want to expand your knowledge or not, it's best to avoid injuries.
@innerfire81 punches to the head were outlawed from Kyokushin competition because of the increased risk of hand injuries, typically the eponymous Boxer's Fracture. Head kicks are allowed because you're never going to break your shin against an opponents skull.
The founder of kudo insists it is a martial art, a budo, not cage prize fighting. Headbutts and groin kick are allowed, limited time on the ground because he wanted to emulate the chaos of reality 1 on 1 confrontation that goes rather quick and unorganized ...hence the special protection gear that allows all that. There is no amateur or pro debate, just a fight based martial art, that you can practice and have a normal working day to day life without looking like a low profile morron with a bruised face. No ego, not for fame, not for money not for glory, not for Instagram.
@@sardalamit they exceptionally make this rule in open weight when a small man is facing a very big opponent.. They'll let it slip. I have never seen it though
i really want to learn Kudo, and now I have a few things to think about with your intelligent insight. You really know your stuff Ramsey, thanks so much for sharing.
Kudo focuses very heavily on wrestling techniques. In fact match in Kudo might end up with a wrestling hold performed on the elbow, neck or ankle. As I remember correctly at least back in 2004 in ultra heavy weight category it was legal to kick in the groin area, if prior to the fight both fighters would ok that. Also if you dont use kappa you might loose your teeth in a fight, the helmet doesnt protect you from that.
Hey there Ramsey, just gotta preface with love your videos, always great insight. So I've been studying martial arts since the age of 5 ish. Black belt in shudokan and Kyokushin karate and Just this last year I started picking up dutch kickboxing at a local MMA gym to supplement my training and it's been a very interesting and enlightening ride adapting one style to the other and learning how to blend them into a cohesive method which I am still working on leveling out. A few points I've taken away from the whole experience is that I've been able to examine both the weaknesses and strengths of Kyokushin through my recent training and what I've found is that Kyokushin's specific brand of training and conditioning favors powerful short combos or singular strikes, short bursts and overall toughness. I've found that most of the people I train kickoboxing with even when throwing a little harder just aren't prepared for the amount of force I seem to generate (when I can actually connect) or how much I can just tank through most shots. However therein lies the weakness I've been trying to correct. Kyokushin does not particularly excel at flow or volume of techniques and I've had a slow adjustment phase to keeping my guard up at a constant and overall heightened level of movement as well as adjusting to the constant barrage of distracting blows to the head and face which is disorienting. Kyokushin fighters tend to be very rooted, very strong but somewhat immobile and focused on forward momentum. Anyway sorry for the giant book of a comment. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on my observations.
majaimay Where do you live? You might be interested to attend a camp with Judd Reid in Thailand, to practice Kyokushin at all ranges, and learn far longer flowing sequences of footwork and techniques. This might be redundant if you picked up Dutch kickboxing, but Kyokushin Budokai might interest you, too. Finally, random question: do you still use your Shudokan training? My Kyokushin dojo moved to another town, and I did another type of karate before that, which has similar roots to Shudokan. There is a Shudokan branch in town, but I'm concerned that it will be too oriented on WKA competition for its training and many kata, without heavy contact sparring, live bunkai, and goshin waza to balance it out. Any opinion? Would you ever go back if you couldn't train knockdown or kickboxing?
@It's my way or the Highway 1968 if you are primarily interested in one on one combat you are probably best off with a grappling based style, with a working knowledge of striking. So, BJJ or Judo with some boxing. There is no easy way, you will need to practice at least a couple of times a week. Stick to a few basic take downs an submissions and lots of practice against a resisting opponent, learn how to anticipate punches and close the distance. And, very important, do strength training. Getting stronger and more athletic is the first thing you should be thinking of. So, couple of times a week on the mats, couple in the gym and you will make pretty fast progress. Sorry if you were looking for a quicker fix - there isn't one. My background, incidentally, is in Kyukusin Karate. I love it, but it's probably not the think to get into at 50 (I'm 54) if you are primarily interested in gaining hand to hand skills ASAP
Ever head of Shidokan Karate... the founder is Yoshiji Soeno. It’s called the triathlon of the martial arts. One round Kyukashin, one round K-1 kickboxing, and the last round is no-gi grappling. George St.Pierre has a black belt in this.
Coming from a traditional Kyokushinkai background, I really started taking modern Kyokushin seriously when I started watching a lot of bas rutten and seeing his style and explanations of his style. He’s my favorite fighter and he took his style from Roman Dekkers, Mike Tyson, and Kyokushin along with shoot-wrestling, tkd, and Muay Thai/kickboxing.
Do you like kyokushin? You teach alot of things I hear in kyokushin dojo and you're humble like a kyokushin fighter. Very similar and that's why I like your videos
It's interesting because I had an argument with my partners about this issue a few years ago. I used to train in Kudo and I noticed that people tend to be more Reckless, ignoring some offenses to the head. As a consequences their guard and stances were more open. The vision is also different with the gear: the angle being narrower. In Mma or in street fight, even a small jab can cut your eye or knock you out, that's why I recommend to train with and without headgear. It's the same with Kyokushin, because when you don't have to worry about punches you're in some kind of confort zone and you're vulnerable to certain techniques or angles. Thats why certain techniques are forbidden in Mma because they are too dangerous and too easy to pull off ( attack to the joint, eye jab etc...) Every style has its rules and limitation.
For most, it's not the helmet, but the agression based rules. Kudo tries very hard to promote constant offense, so fighters tend to sacrifice their defense to get a few more shots in. Then they watch a video of some Russian competitors, and it cements the idea, lol. Kudo is, after all, designed to simulate a street fight, so it's not suprising that it tends to favor sloppy but intense explosive offense.
I train in both kyokushin and judo and from what I’ve learned from researching Kudo was that they do a lot of clinch work. Several people mentionned using headbutts to effectively distract or create distance, they do a lot of striking and kicking while grabbing which is facilitated by the gi, etc. For amateur fighters, I think it’s a good alternative for people who want a good training while not risk getting overly injured.
kyokushin without face punches is what made their karatekas incredibly tough to begin with. Add face punches then its just going to be bareknuckle dutch kickboxing (which also came from kyokushin)
Thank you much Mr. Ramsey on Kyokushin and Kudo karate.. From my understandig on Kyokushin karate : it is an excellent way to harden and toughen your body , getting used on taking punches with no gloves and no protection on on your body and excellent leg striking techniques . So they say its a valid base style gor mma with adding some boxing and judo , judo ne eaza or bjj . Kudo is based mainly on Kyokushin and Judo but the founder of Kudo added also boxing and maybe bjj as will. In their competition its pretty much mma with gi and also head buts allowed. May be thats why the gear is a must . I think it can fit very will in mma may be they need a little upgrade ..... Again I appreciate your feedback .Take care
Nothing wrong with taking bits and pieces of other styles and adapting it to your own. A pretty normal human thing to do. Though I do not know about Daido Juku (Kudo) using BJJ techniques... You mean Jujitsu right...? Because if you have not noticed BJJ isn't anything great in Japan as they in the past beat the Gracies everytime.
@@zefsagala1391 Waaaaaait most martial arts have a clench fist and when you push it, it is called a punch? Most Martial Arts have similar attacks. Great Minds just think alike.
Hello Ramsey, First time I've watched any of your videos and I must say I will subscribe immediately. It is very good. I am a Kudo Black belt from the time it was called Daido Juku. I teach in Liverpool England. I like your description of Kudo and yes to a great degree what you've said about the helmet is accurate. I also appreciate that you recognise the difference between soft tissue damage and trauma...a point not many know. The only thing I have to point out is that whilst that false sense of protection does exist and you get the Gung go attitude, the scoring system in Kudo reflects a real world scenario. KUDO SCORES the lowest score (Koka) to 2-3 unanswered solid hits to the helmet. Direct trauma hits create a distinct pop in the helmet which is a sign of direct hits. The next stage of the scoring is Yuko which is given if there are more than 3 unanswered strikes to the helmet which causes whiplash movements or knee on the mat and so on so forth (next points are wazari and ippon) So Kudo recognises but only awards points to damaging shots so to speak. So the less experienced and sloppy fighters get caught out eventually. This is true of any sport, ie the top ranked in any sport are the ones with the best technique. Kudo is well and truly an art and sport in one. It is a sport in the sense that anyone can compete in it, and it is an art in the sense it teaches self defence in a very realistic scenario..
I can see why you would think that about the headgear, but I disagree. I think what a lot of people arent aware of is that Kudo combat is only one 3 minute round, with an additional round granted if the fighters are judged as a draw. It is this aspect of the sport that encourages the aggression and perhaps "recklessness" that you see, its because youve only got 3 minutes to either knock your opponent out or convice the judges that you deserve to win. Some may view this as a positive aspect for spectators - kudo fights are rarely boring or stalling. On the other hand, some may rightly criticize that this reduces tactical aspects, perhaps. But its worth considering the context within which kudo was formed. Kudo is very, very serious about street fighting. This is why you wear a gi (whens the last time someone got into a real fight, naked bar their bicycle shorts and vaseline? Most of us wear clothing and you should learn how to use clothing in grappling and throwing), this is why headbutts are allowed, its why the clock is so short to encourage aggression.
A gi is just clothing that stands up to abuse. You're welcome to train in shirt and pants if you like, you'll be buying a new set after every randori or sparring, I guarantee you.
@@davidprivate949 No one really wears a Karate Gi in public everyday. Or gets into street fights in a Karate Gi today. Do you mean that the reason you wear Karate Gi is because it is more durable and sturdy for training?
yes, a Gi is just clothing that stands up to the rigours of training. One could certainly train in real street clothes, but then one would also be buying new clothes every week.
@@davidprivate949 Depends on the material used for clothing. If you use a cotton shirt then no shit it would rip. If you use a specialized clothing wear that utilizes the right materials for the rigorous training for martial arts you should be fine.
From the outside, kudo looks like a way to pratice high intensity often, with relative safety, in a sporting enviroment and with a large dose of realism thrown in. Id love to try it!!
GSP gave a lot of credit for his fundamentals to his Kyoshin background, for example the way he steps into is lead jab with the wide stance and then readjusts his stance or uses the wide stance off the power jab to drop into a takedown
One thing people never keep in mind when talking about the "practicality" FoR Da StReEt of these forms of competition is that Kyokushin is a lot closer to the *pace* of actual violence. That is something in its favor if people are looking for reasons to put a square peg in a round hole with the martial art and self defense question, as they always are.
Hi coach Ramsey Dewey great perspective on Kudo and Kyokushin Karate. Kudo Karate was developed by the late master Azuma Takashi whom in turn he himself was a Judo third dan black belt, also a Kyokushin Karate black belt who later on added elements of boxing, Boxing, Muay Thai, wrestling and Jujutsu and thus ultimately becoming 'Kudo'! As for the legendary Kickboxing champion, 'The Blue Eyed Samurai' Sensei Andy Hug was indeed a Kyokushinkaikan Karate fourth dan black belt, also since you mentioned K-1 Kickboxing rules here in your video, Sensei Andy Hug was the 1996 K-1 World Grand Prix champion, as well as the 1998 K-1 World Grand Prix finalist against the phenomenal Peter Aerts who won that year, of the Netherlands 🇳🇱. Nowadays coach Ramsey Dewey, Kyokushin Karate organisations such as the KWF (Kyokushin World Federation), whose inaugural parent organisation is the EKF (European Kyokushin Federation) has gone back to our Kyokushin Karate founder Sosai Oyama Masutatsu's original vision of having fighting with face punches. As such the Kyokushin World Federation (KWF) has launched its own Kickboxing circuit with boxing gloves to allow full contact punches to the head, including back fists, spinning back fists, knees, kicks, no elbows, minimal, limited time clinching, essentially K-1 Kickboxing rules, which itself emanates from Seidokikan Karate, an offshoot Karate style from Kyokushin Karate. The KWF's (Kyokushin World Federation) Kickboxing circuit is called '戦士' (せんし) Senshi which is the Japanese word for warrior literally. So nowadays many Kyokushin Karate dojos including that of my Shihan (師範) master we incorporate Muay Thai/Kickboxing punches, elbowing to face,knees to the face, legs, body, clinching and throwing to the floor. This was all along Sosai Oyama Masutatsu's ultimate desire for the evolution of Kyokushin Karate eventually, prior to his death. Our dojo although being predominantly and primarily a Kyokushin Karate school, we also offer Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, in addition to Muay Thai/Kickboxing classes as we cannot afford to necessity of such skills, plus the popularity and demand for mixed martial arts training. Awesome videos as always Coach Ramsey Dewey, with all due respect you remind me of the legendary Gordon Liu, from The 36th Chamber of Shaolin and his other Shaw Brothers Kung Fu films classics, Osu🇲🇽🇦🇺🙏🥋!
Nice video, I myself have Brown belt in Kyokushin and think that it has some good perks and also flaws, but it take the flaws with a big smile because the perks makes it worth it. By the way, in my kyokushin dojo we can train kumite/sparring with punches to the heads sometimes, to get that practice as well, so i believe that it depends a lot on which dojo that you chose. Kyokushin also gives you excellent striking technique, since we are often forced to sparr/train without gloves, we have to naturally learn to really punch correct with precision etc, which i think is essential in a street fight situation where you don't have gloves, it will be more natural for a kyokushin fighter to not break his hand/wrist etc due to bad angle or precision. I love mma, muay thai and boxing but I have also witnessed that a lot of those fighters don't have as accurate or solid punches once they take their gloves off, because they are so used to only sparr and punch with big gloves. It's actually a complete different thing once you take them of which is surprising. The timing, the weight, the feel, the precision, everything. However we should respect all martial arts, and especially the traditional older ones since they are the roots for today's modern mma.
Hey Brother I just found your channel and love the content. To make the original question more specific, what do you think of Kyokushin in regards to self defense?
Hey Ramsey, I love your work! I was wondering how do you feel about Panantukan/Filipino Boxing? I have been practicing it for a few months now and I just wanted your opinion on the martial art.
I do Kyokushin mainly tournament training but also kickboxing rules are done in our dojo. Benefits for no head punches are obviously the lack of brain trauma but something I don't see brought up is the lack of use of gloves for blocking. In kickboxing rounds I see people use their gloves in a way that wouldn't work as soon as gloves are out of the picture.
stumbled on this video and you are both very accurate and articulate with what you said. Ramsey if you or your viewers have any questions please feel free to ask. i am one of the very few Kudo Black Belts in the United States.
I know the video is quite old .But i would like to share my thoughts on the differences between MMA and Kudo. I practiced and still practice these two sports and I think both of them are awesome. I discover kudo through mma .I liked mma but i was missing the gi to use more my judo and jiujitsu background.At the same time i didn't want to practice judo again because of the way the rules change over the last few year (lack of groundork and no more legs attack). So my mma teacher taught me about kudo that was also taught in my club.So i gave it a try thinnking it will be easy due to my background both in mma and grapling with gi. And yeah indeed i didn't felt lost on the mat but the feelings were completely different.Actualy you can use the gi in so many way during the clinch situation ,this change a lot from mma.also the fact that in competition kudo fight are lot shorter force you to fight at an higher rytm while the helmet is actually making breathing harder. Now i practice both and think both are awesome ,i love to fight with a gi in kudo ,but on the other hand i love the longer fight in mma. So if you practice any of this two sports it could be really useful to try the other one.I also realised that people practicing kudo are more often from japanese martial art background witch mean that you have to fight people with a stance and a way to move that you don't always face in mma.
So you do alot of videos of what one would do to transition to MMA from another fighting sport. Have you done any vids on what one would have to do to transition from MMA instead of to it. I really like vids where you talk about different transitions an athlete must go through
I don't agree Kudo is like amateur MMA fighting, rather it's more like an approximation of skilled street fighting. coming from kyokushin, that makes sense too.
Kudo foundation is Kyokushin...the only difference is headgear and no Kata. Only basics and sparring... Also depends on who the hell is teaching you. Like everyone knows there are shitty instructors and great instructors in every martial art.
@@vincentlee7359 Not the only difference. Old school Kudo was based on kyokushin, but it was also judo. So not the same. Also, now it's a pretty open evolving system, people use use tons of different techniques. Kudo is pretty much anything that works within the Kudo ruleset. A lot of people say that Kudo is pretty much just kyokushin, but it's really not. Full clinching, throws, take downs, pins, joint locks, chokes, knees, elbows, headbutts, gi grabbing, sweeps, trips, and ground striking, make it a pretty different experience.
Gess Hugh Old school Kyokushinkai was 1/3 Kodokan judo. It also allowed face punches (and head strikes in general) as well as unrestricted grappling. Soooooooo modern Kyokushin is different, but old school Kyokushinkai being re-popularized would trivialize kudo, unless you really wanted that head-gear
@@GokuInfintysaiyan Sure, If you say so. It did not allow unrestricted grappling. It was less than 1/3 Judo, but it certainly had a higher Judo influence. And even kodokan at the time didn't allow unrestricted grappling. Also, if you wanna be like that and talking about trivializing, than I'll be straight: Old school Kyokushin wouldn't compare to modern Kudo. Technique has evolved. and as much as some people don't like to admit it, better styles have formed from older ones. And if you think that judo and head punches are the only difference between kudo and kyokushin, I am afraid you are sorely mistaken. I respect old school fighters, but martial arts are about refining fighting skills and making them better. If you don't think newer arts can become better than older ones, than you shouldn't think that the old ones work in the first place because that's what they were built on. You can take the head gear off of a kudoka, but that doesn't make them a kyokushin fighter, old school or otherwise. It's a modern fighting style. We've learned stuff over time, like mma. Just because it has gis doesn't mean it's outdated.
Gess Hugh Sorry man but kudo is way less realistic than Kyokushinkai, and yes it allowed for newaza but allowed for more time than the 25 seconds allowed for judo. In my dojo that’s how we did it and my sensei said that was the way he was taught kumite. Maybe it wasn’t common? I meant unrestricted in the sense of you could use heel hooks and other techniques you can’t use today. I tried kudo and hated it. The gloves and helmet take a lot of risk away, and most of them are so focused on trying to kick-box they lose a lot of the subtleties that make karate great. I prefer even the old 60’s and 70’s full contact shotokan tournaments, because they really utilized the tools karate gives you and the unique fashion the art was performed. Kudo feels like in a real fight against a person from MT they would lose hard because even though they have the grappling down, the striking isn’t realistic enough and creates a false sense of security. So let me rephrase. I’m a Kyokushinkai karateka and due to the abundance of techniques and the “steal moves” mentality, despite the fact that I cross-spar all the time I never feel out of place. It really helped when I was in high school and started wrestling XD, I thought I was gonna get slaughtered but I did way better than I expected
Question for you, do you feel it can be harmful to the body to take that many body shot like they do in Kyokushin fights? The number of body shots they take is really crazy
Kyokushin-Kan Karate still practices "Shinken Shobu". This type of kumite practice the use of head punches. Though the elbows to the head are still not allowed.
Kyokushin is the reason for "Dutch kickboxing". The first kickboxing teachers in the Netherlands were Kyokushin teachers and the style has been and still is very popular in my country. They pretty much added western boxing to the kicks/knees/liver shots of Kyokushin. Kyokushin has great leg kicks/spinning kicks and it's a very hard style. I've been practicing it since i was a kid but it's very hard on the body so i switched to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Osu!
I feel like with Kyokushin it is much easier to transition into MMA since it combines both the boxing style punches in my dojo we practice punching to the head using palm strikes like pancrase. An example of a really good kyokushin practitioner in MMA rn is Tenshin Nasukawa he's fighting for Rizin right now and he has a really good stand up game.
EZE "The Game Hunter" greatest fighter in ufc history is also a kyokushin fighter 4th dan black belt. He has been training in kyokushin since he was a child. George st Pierre. Yes he uses jujitsu but his stand up is kyokushin, that’s what makes him a complete fighter.
With all due respect that is a false notion to say Kyokushin transition to MMA is by far the easiest. It certainly isn't. Your dojo is somewhat unique if you allow palm strikes in your dojo, my guess is your a offshoot dojo and not one linked to the main arteries of Kyokushin such as Matsui, Midori, Matsushima, etc. Exceptions cannot be the rule, so congratulations on breaking the mould. Kyokushin practitioners majority of the time have very very poor head movement and with clinching and throwing involved not to mention grappling means kyokushin have a lot to catch up on. in reply to the other comment, yes GSP and Tenshin are prodigies, and they have cross trained nearly as long or longer than they have in Kyokushin in other arts. It just so happens that they have either started or consider Kyokushin to be their first major art. Please do not confuse the two scenarios.. .. Osu
Depends on which branch of Kyokushin you do. The style splintered after the death of the founder. Personally 2 out of the 4 branches (that were originally one) are shit compared to the other 2. In addition depends on your instructor/Head Sensei's belief. If they believe you should incorporate certain movements of another style and blend it in then good for you.
How can you say kilkishen is easier to transition to MMA when they don't do any grappling techniques and most of them don't even do basic strikes to the head unless it's kicks?
@@Srbandara clinching and head movement are HELL to learn if you're kyokushin without any prior training. Luckly I pick up fast, so 3 months in thai and my instructor was already full speed/force sparring me. But jesus christ, if noses could get harder to break boards mine would cut a wood in half.
What Kyokushinkai mostly brings to the game, is physical toughness and endurance ... where you can take bare knuckle bodyshots. So it is an excellent basis to move onward from ... where I trained back in the day they also mixed in boxing training and during sparring we wore mouth guards and gloves and allowed punching to the head ...but I also know that many schools train only traditional forms ... and even though I like Kyokushinkai, those fights are boring as it is basically 2 guys walking forward while punching most of the time.
Give kyokushin a try. It has a unique thing to teach and it isn't something i can describe to you, they train their hearts and bodies and the result is very particular. I'm sure other styles have a similar result but there is something special about kyokushin Ramsey I think you will resonate with it truly. Please try it man it's great stuff and you won't know what I mean entirely until you train it and try it out. Osu.
Hello Ramsey my question is I’m a big fan of yours my question is, is American Kempo Karate affective as a self defence art for the street? This is is Omar. As a practitioner of this art I was wondering if you could answer my question I know it has good concepts principles and theories but I would like you to take a look at this art as a whole and would love to hear your feedback
Kyokushin i practised for 3 years almost and i plan to start over again there. From my point of vieuw they dont punsh the head since they always go all out there hands would be completely destroyed after to much fights in wich they activly atempted to punch the face since they often dont use gloves when training and arent alowd to in most official competitions this would be an isue. In my opinion then making it so there arent eny shots at all to the head so that its not like a way for a weaker oponent to try to clutch a fight by endangering his hands in return for a posible win they made it a rule. My question for you is. Do you think kyokushin karate is as tough as it sais it is? Or do you feel like there are some tricks played in the mind of the practisilners that make them blind to there flaws?
A very rough description but one that works very well for those that don't know much about martial artists. In reality the influences in Kudo are varied, Kyokushin and Judo for sure but also SAMBO, boxing, wrestling, Muay Thai etc
Kudo is one of the most efficient martial arts.it has strikes, grappling and ground fighting techniques rolled into one.its very similar to mma in many ways.
The problem is, that when people say "MMA" what they really mean is "current UFC ruleset". Technically KUDO IS Mixed Martial Arts. as is Pankration, old school Karate or catch wrestling. So when hobbyist hears about hybrid martial art, he really asks: But is it like UFC with cages and ring girls? Thats the truth.
I think transitioning from one sport to another will always be challenging. If the sports have similar characteristics and qualities than the transition may not be as hard. In regards to Kyokushinkai, many Dutch Muay Thai fighters have a Kyokushinkai background. UFC veteran Gerard Gordeauo was a Kyokushinkai fighter who competed in Kyokushinkai tournaments. I do know some Japanese Shoot-fighters and even some MMA fighters, past and present, have Kyokushinkai backgrounds. But, just because some Kyokushinkai fighters have made a transition from their sport to MMA or Muay Thai doesn't necessarily the transition will be easy for everyone.
Kyokushinkai was the best to me, it’s what I train. It does all 3 types of karate kumite along with a unique one which is basically mma with no protective gear (stopped in open tournaments due to rumors of permanent injuries and death) but still allowed in-dojo. Basically it allowed punches, elbows, and any other strike to the head allowed as well as free grappling. However it does put more emphasis kata than modern Kyokushin by far. Too bad many dojo’s don’t still practice the traditional Kyokushinkai style. Still kinda sucks that they even got rid of a lot of the grappling (stems from kodokan judo and Okinawan wrestling from Goju-ryu with some jujutsu and aikijutsu joint manipulations from shotokan, in the original art )
I wonder how Kudo would translate to self defence because often if you are attacked while out you would be wearing a jacket which might be more related to fighting with a gi than fighting shirtless.
Good you mentioned Andy Hug. You can look at the modern UFC, and the champions, the middleweight champion also comes from Kyokushin :D Check this guy MMA/UFC champion trained Kyokushin - Georges St-Pierre Now, Andy Hug and all of the other people from Kyokushin had one BIG problem - they weren't used to head movement and hitting the head with punches, that took a bit of training. What is about Kyokushin that's different is that it's REAL. FULL CONTACT, stuff that works. Yo ulive the facnu butterfly kicks out. My instructor can't do this kind of shit, some of them can't really do a kick where you turn around and kick the head with you hill - that's a bit fancy ish, I mean, good if you can do it... but they fight simple. Their body is trained to take A LOT OF PUNISHMENT. Look at GSP from the UFC - he said that, you hit him and he doesn't feel anything because of the training. Now, I'm not saying Kyokushing is GOD, I trained it... but like anything... it's how you train. So Kyokushin training is VERY effective. A boxer or Kyokushin might have same resistance to a punch... but a Wing Chung... he will break if you throw a beginners punch - that has been proven anyway. Kung Fu guys are just average guys that are just more flexible and can do acrobatics. That's it, they aren't really trained fighters. I trained Kyokushing for like 3-4years... and then I was just curious what about other martial arts. So I went to some randome Karate class, and there was this guy, much bigger and heavier I'm 6ft skinny, and that guy had a black belt. Somehow, even tho I'm not a black belt, I kicked his ass. Hmmmm. It was pretty strange. I mean, yeah.... and I'm far from a real black belt in Kyokushin, but in the other karate I would have been a black belt lol Handle black belts like candy to kids, just make sure you pay for it - meh, you can get a black belt for 2dollars off amazon lol Like anything else, you need to adapt. However, if you get Kyokushin, Boxing and grappling stuff, you can go into MMA. If you know what I mean.
Thank you for the video. I practice Kyokushin my self almost 10 years, after a lot of martial Arts styles then I found Kyokushin and i fall in love with it, and Lechi Karbanov is my favorite legend. Kudo sems interesting though, but I have question to ask what is the difference between kudo and combat Sambo except the GI can you pls advice ? Thank you
I have wxperience of Kyokushin and I’m curious that what if we fight under the rule of Kudo without the helmet called “SuperSafe(SU-PA-SEIFU in Japan)” and with open-finger glove instead of Kudo style fist protection.
A lot of great scientific points raised with logic and reason on the technicalities of gear or without gear. However, most Kyokushin fighters do go onto professional fighting and a lot of the techniques hold strong during these fights. Kudo and Shinken Shobu included. Check out almost all the Kyokushin fighters that enter K1 or bareknuckle (with takedown and submissions). Lots of pro fighters from these styles of karate.
I gotta say Kudo is my favorite contact sports competition and martial art competition. I think it is very entertaining, very realistic and at the same time very safe. For me its closer to reality than MMA...although people will disagree because you dont have the pain and knockout level of MMA. But hands are better conditioned in Kudo for real punching, the same Ramsay says about headgear, taking it off gives you a different performance, same happens with boxing gloves and MMA gloves too..for example most people couldnt throw an over head circular punch without gloves without hurting their hands. I like the limited time in the ground too, it makes it very dynamic and you dont have to smash your opponents head if you are in the mount, just show dominance and that your strikes are landing, that will score, so it is very safe in that regard. The main problem for me is grappling i the ground...head gear then is just baaaad...I once passed out under my partner, he pinned me in the ground, headgear turned and didnt let me breathe properly...like achoke, ha ha. Kudo is fantastic. I think people like more MMA because of the more violent componenet and lack of knowledge, as when someone who knows about MMAA will enjoy techniques, as watching a grappling match if you are not familiar with grappling...people who dont train will need to see the actual effect of the hits to enjoy I guess.Also Kudo fighters tend to be very good at throws, so the gi apsect of it is helpfull in that regard, making it ver balanced into all the aspects of an entertaining fight, it has good striking and superb kicking, great throws and good grappling, clinching and Ne Waza....fun, fun , fun to watch
Kudo and Kyokushin Karate, along with Lethwei (both traditional and modern ruleset), might be a good combo, because you get good striking skills, and good break falls (ukemi), through practice, and through training.
Here is a specific question. How does wearing a gi effect striking? I would imagine that there would be all different kinds of gi grips that might make striking in the clinch different. I don't know if there is another combat sport that uses the gi and allows strikes. Thanks for your thoughts Ramsey. As always.
German Jiu-Jitsu. They wear a gi and they strike and grapple at the same time in competition. The sambo kurtka is similar to a gi jacket. Watch some combat sambo, and it will answer most of your questions. A friend of mine from Ukraine and I made a video doing MMA sparring in the gi a few years ago. You might be interested in our observations. The hi grips had a much bigger effect on the striking stand up game than anything else, shockingly. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Vfbfbl19ZfY.html
Just imagine how effective it would be if you cross trained Judo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, kyokushin Kai and kudo! I think you would be prepare for mostly anything!
there is no KUDO-Karate, because it´s a hybrid from Karate + Judo. The reason for the head-gear ist mainly because head-butts are allowed. The Gi changes the game, because grabbing the Gi gives much more possibilites to grab, throw, submit, a.s.o. R. I. P., Andy (Hug)
IT would seem that Kudo is similar to Shidokan which is Kyokushin + Jutsu. I started in Kyokushin. I loved how even weekly kumite in dojo was a FIGHT. The punches and kicks were hard and heavy. The sensei was hard, but fair, and did not allow people below his standards to earn kyus untill they reached the standards. It after all is a full contact. It spared my head (namely the brain). As somebody with early childhood brain damage (imflamation) I suffer glass chin syndrome =C. So for developing teen back in 2000's Kyokushin training had lots of psychological and physical benefits, without making the computer even worse, than it was. Also If nothing else it shows you your own limits and so you can push them.
I know nothing beyond boxing&wrestling but I remember the hassle of headgear getting spun halfway around in both sports, requiring a second to readjust it, which can interrupt a guy's momentum.
two things would come into my mind if i would face a kyokushin opponent: endurance and heavy strong kicks 6 inch above my knee that will remain in my memory up until the last day of my life.
Hi Ramsey. I enjoy your videos. I train jj and kyokushin. I wonder if you had any experience with Capoeira? Can it be used in full contact fighting? Regards from Sweden
Kyokushin is a mix of Shotokan at the beginning and Goju as you go higher. So it starts out linear and becomes progressively more circular. It's a combat art at it's base, but the tournaments aren't realistic and promote the lack of head movement, close range body shots, flashy high kicks that would be inadvisable on the street since it's a sport... like the difference between Muay Boran and Muay Thai, or Street Savate and ring Savate. If you're training for self defense not learning how to deal with elbows and punches to the face is suicide, kata can only take you that far...also, the grappling element present in Goju is almost always neglected. I love Kyokushin, and have trained it, but if you're focussing on self defense you need to train other stuff in addition to it. (Well to be honest no art is complete...).
Kudo was around from as far back as the early to mid 80s so it's actually older than MMA as a sport, of course not as old as Pankration which is an ancient art though only resuscitated in the past 2 decades or so.
