Kurt Cobain's ex details relationship amid his rise to fame 

I actually knew her a little bit when I lived in Boston- I would see her playing on the subway platforms (most often on the Red Line, at Park Street) and in Harvard Square on Friday and Saturday nights. My friend Kevin had a crush on her. We were not close friends, but we were friendly, and would chat here and there. If anyone is questioning whether Mary Lou is putting on an act here, she isn't. She is an authentically nice person.

Her story about Kurt was one of the best I've ever heard about him.

"We sat in the wall, in front of the hotel until the sun came up just talking " Such a blissful moment

You are 100 times cooler than Courtney Love.

"Nirvana... who? No, sorry mate you are not in the list". WOW... seems crazy now.

That would have been such a good relationship for Kurt

I wish, he would have stayed with her... She seems really sweet

she threw the "oh you're a fan? name their top 5 albums" on him ahaha. cute

Hello anyone reading. There was MUCH more to this interview than just this short piece. I hope that someday they release the whole thing because it was the only time I actually ever told this story with anyone. (ON camera, anyway)..... I talked about the loss of my dear friend Elliott Smith (who was a little brother to me, and how I looked out for him, and how we shared time on the road, and our friendsip.....), Elliott also passed away....And I talked about the fact that, if Kurt had the chance to have met Elliott (the window of time between them meeting each other was tiny) -Maybe 5 months. Kurt would have adored Elliott. If they had gotten the chance to meet, I honestly think they would have made music together, and quite possibly, saved each other's lives through the love of music, and what they could have balanced out, and given each other. But alas, it never happened. But my God, I SO wish Kurt had hung on long enough to have met, befriended, and ultimately made music with Elliott. In the "extended" interview (that you do NOT see here), I told that story as well. Elliott was in Portland after finishing College at Hampshire, and Kurt died just a couple months before. Man, if they had ONLY gotten the chance to meet. It should have happened, and it would have been amazing for both of them. For Kurt to find Elliott. It quite possibly could have saved him. Just saying. Someday I hope this entire interview (not just THIS clip) will be shown. There was SOOO much more to it, and so much more I said about those first few months of Nirvana's breaking, etc.......anyway, It meant a lot to me, and I THOUGHT they were going to run the whole story about everything I said. But, they cut is short. ANyway.....In my mind, Kurt and Elliott are together and finally met. I miss them both SO very much.

To give you an idea of the sort of person she is. After I saw her play a show I really liked her and wanted to buy her cassette she had for sale but I didn’t have enough money. She gave it to me and said mail me the money when you have it. Of course I did

Kurt was a really nice guy. may his soul Rest in Peace

You can feel her heartbreak and anxiety oh my god.

So glad Mary Lou FINALLY decided to tell her story. She only told me bits and pieces and I kept saying "tell your story" whether in a book or this way, I am happy for her.

I’m happy for her that it happened. Some nice things are just not meant to be. That’s the sad part. Life is the biggest prankster of the universe. Thanks for sharing this.

It's too bad Kurt didn't stay with her.... He would probably have been alive to today if he had.

omg the melvins were mentioned on regular tv. never thought id see the day.

God I love the armchair psychologists under every nirvana video lmao

One time about 7 years ago Mary ended up at my house with her party after a show in Philly randomly and she was the most genuine, captivating person I think I ever saw or listened to. She played her songs and everyone loved them. I know we are intrigued by her relation to Kurt, but having met her without knowing about that I can say she is herself an incredible, amazing person.

Kurt didn’t like nice girls. If he did he would have stayed with Tracy Marander. He got with Courtney because she stalked him and he was attracted to the drugs and the excitement she brought to the relationship. He chose her because she was loud and trashy. He didn’t want stability. End of story. He made a choice.

That’s pretty cool that she was one of the first to hear Nevermind!

I have her EP. Such an overlooked singer.

Kurt had a very severe depression problem. But I think this woman would of help him to get through his demons. I find her very humble, sincere and good hearted. 3 great medicines for depression.✌🏼

If someone like her had stayed with someone like cobain they would have split after one year. Because good girls like her couldn't deal with the substance abuse of their loved ones.

Wow,it’s really amazing when someone knows you before your famous,,,and says such nice things!! It’s just really touching!! She seems like a sweetheart!

Crazy that Kurt has been dead for 27 years, and his ex is still not even old. Just shows how tragically young he really was.

Nirvana were caught off guard by their sudden surge in popularity. They had inked to Geffen because Sonic Youth told them they would be allowed to grow organically. They grew overnight , Huge ! The rest is 🎸 History.

The guy had issues,but I feel that if he had stayed with her or someone as kind as her, that maybe he could have worked through his demons.

The best singer ever legit facts

I remember the day Kurt died and I’ve remained a Nirvana fan for all this time. Kurt was highly intelligent and otherworldly - the music lives on!

Why act like Kurt was a child who couldn't make his own decisions? He loved Courtney. He married Courtney. He had a child with Courtney. You should read Kurt's love letters to Courtney. He chose to do Mary Lou dirty by not telling her about Courtney and her having to find out on TV.

It's said because in the sound of her voice... She is still in love with him

Where's the rest of the interview

These stories are so important to rock history. Thank you

When men and women are in their young 20s, we usually are attracted to the wrong type. As you get older who you find attractive changes, because you as a person changes too.

90's rock was the best. I don't care for the rock of today most of it's just angry noise.

R.i.P my brother Kurt Cobain, the greatest of all time

I forgot Mary Lou dated Kurt. I always associate her with Elliott Smith

Is this the same Mary Lou Lord that played with Elliott Smith?

It's a shame he didn't end up with Mary Lou, instead of Courtney Love. Maybe he'd have never become a heroin addict and maybe he'd still be alive as well.

Where's part 2 fo this? And 3, and 4, and 5, and 6, and 7, ...

Cool memory. 🙂 Sometimes... I think how different his life could have been. With the right woman beside him. He has such a sweet inner spirit. RIP Kurt.

Wow! What an amazing story. I recall reading somewhere that Kurt said about being on the brink of explosion onto the music scene is the most exciting part of being in a band and you were with the guys and Kurt whilst this was happening! That is priceless. Now he is remembered worldwide as one of the best songwriters and they were one of the best bands of the 90s. Nirvana inspired millions and millions of kids to start playing and will always be remembered.

That was a nice story/interview. Thank you.

This is such a fascinating story! We’re is the rest of it?

I wish I could like this more than once. People from our gen on utube don’t happen very often it is lovely seeing this, thank you for posting.♥️♥️♥️💯

My freshman year in college was the first year The Ratt was closed. My dorm was a few blocks away. I remember seeing the front of the place closed up and the whole city was in mourning.

She seems really nice! Cool of her to come out and share these stories.

It makes me sad to think there were so many good reasons for him to live. Frances Bean, family, friends, a career doing what he loved to do... make music. Just makes me want to cry knowing that he was putting ona brave face but deep down he was so utterly depressed. RIP Kurt. Ur legacy will live on!

It's almost like Kurt was at a fork in the road with two women; one path will be thrilling and tumultuous and lead you into hell, and the other path will lead you to peace and light. We all know which road he chose, unfortunately.

After Tobi Vail she dated briefly with Kurt.

Wow. That actually made me cry.

Imagine being friends with both Kurt Cobain and Elliott Smith. Jesus, she was so lucky.

I cry happy tears for this woman's life experiences that she wasn't even aware at the time would impact her as a human being in such a profoundly beautiful way. Nothing can take those moments from her heart...nothing.

Mary Lou Lord also dated Elliott Smith, and long story short, Mary Lou Lord is fantastic! such a good songwriter

What is the name of the song playing from 0:47 to 0:58 and what is the name of the song playing from 2:29 to 2:41

She reminds me of Tara Reid.

The universe sent him the perfect partner, part of the tragedy is he failed to recognize and receive

What an amazing story. I wanted to hear so much more. I was so envious of her getting to know KURT COBAIN (who was only one year older than me) so early in his career and when NIRVANA were right on the edge of forever. It was just the 27th anniversary of his death. He has now been dead as long as he was alive. Such a sad and preventable demise. Still miss and LOVE YOU KURT!!! Wish you were here. RIP

Whose to say them not working out was a blessing for her. Kurt woulda/coulda dragged this beautiful woman down his road of drugs and depression, destroying her life as well as his own.

wow listening to this kills me... its like anyone's dream to talk to kurt til sunrise and man oh man if he had ended up with someone else... love you kurt

RIP Kurt Cobain. Can't believe it's been 27 years and you're still gone.

Where can we see the rest of this interview?

Awe man where’s the rest of it

where can i find the full interview isnt on youtube

OOOMMMGGGG i was searching for it! She's the girl cited on Heavier Than Heaven! Oh Mary, you are awensome 💙💙💙💙💙

Based on her story on how she met Kurt, it seemed that he was a very respectful guy. He didn't try to get into her pants by being a sleazeball... he was humble and knew how to say thank you. It was clear how she respected Kurt as a human being on this clip.

Nice upload thanks.

This is such a great story!! I grew up in a suburb just outside of Boston. Awesome to know Kurt had such a positive experience in my neck of the woods!! Wish he had stayed with her!!

But how did kris and Dave get home??

Thank you Mary Lou!

Thank you. I love to hear these table talks of the gems of life!!!

This shows Kurt’s humility. What a cool story.

Seems like a nice lady, lucky one too to have met Kurt Cobain!

This is a shame, you could have saved him hitting his emotional side, with that pure and sweet sincere love you have to give ✨

Anyone know the song that comes on 2:25 into the video? Thanks

So cool to hear her memories. I used to go to The Rat all the time when I lived in Boston, so many great bands! I also used to ride the red line constantly, I may have even seen her there and just don’t remember. My fondest memory of that time is seeing Throwing Muses live.

2:06 kurt leaves a bit of love in her hearth

man, if he was with her for the next few albums, they would be WAY different! we would probably still have him and multiple other records.

Did she write His Indie World about him? I know That Kind of Girl was about Courtney.

Love it or hate it, Kurt clearly chose Courtney. NO ONE knows if his fate would’ve been different with Mary Lou. Heroin + Depression, took him under. Just appreciate his legacy and support people with addiction and or mental illness.

Personally I think Kurt would have been much better off with her

I love you Mary Lou Lord

Wow this is great I luv learning new things about Kurt or the band an the plp around them but same time it hurts my heart that he's gone.

Absolutely beautiful memories for you. Did it feel surreal? When I met Jimmy Miller he was sat with primal scream and the drummer from queen, I didn’t recognise them because they looked way older than in magazines

Mary has a lovely singing voice.

Toooo bad a certain someone came into Kurts life shortly after this. Mary seems so very genuine and cool. All about the art vs. all about the fame and money.

Why doesn't she have any pictures from a disposable camera or video from VHS to go along with this?

Rearviewmirror didn't come out until VS.?? And why is she referencing Pj?

I remember the day I first saw them on MTV. I had just gotten home from school. I used to have a small tv propped up next to my bed. I was laying on my stomach and saw their video. I was at the mall buying "Nevermind" that week....possibly the next day after school. I vaguely remember riding my bike to the mall which was less than a mile from the school. Not too long after that I was with my church group w the Unitarian Church out in the mountains at some place you can rent a whole camp area. There was a band that played.....the kids from other Unitarian CHrich's from other cities were really into the flannel shirt attire and just dressing freaky. That was the first time I'd seen "moshing" and also the first time I'd heard Eddie Vedder's voice. The song "Black" was playing between sets and I remember being really transfixed by this song. That was quite a weekend. Never seen anything like it my whole life.

They “talked” for an hour

where is the rest of the video?

Wow! I remember seeing Mary Lou playing during my commute. Big fan! 🤘✌️

That was a great story! Thanks for sharing!

She would have kept Kurt level headed. It's ashamed that it couldn't become something.

Where is the rest?

Wait. So was the video filmed at Fairfax High or at Culver City Studios?

Fame makes a man take things over. Fame lets him loose, hard to swallow. Fame puts you there where things are hollow (fame) Fame ...

Mary Lou Lord is a living legend. Been listening to her stuff since 1993. If anything I hope all the people who came here to read about Kurt go and check her music out. Start with Got No Shadow album or Martian Saints EP. Great stuff!!!

What song title is playing this minute? 02:26

song at 2:30?