@DanZito the demigod hell yeah it’s always the closest to you ....and the cycle has never stopped repeating...a Trustworthy Fan could take better care him than these fools
As far as everything goes, Jessica left early midday on 4-6-94. Where cali, stayed a day longer, and left on the 7th. After 13 calls bbtwn courtny love and the cobain house, more than any other day on record, on the 6th , cali sent Jessica away, puking all down the driveway, cali stayed to "clean" everything up, and left on the 7th, as to be nowhere around when courtny called the security guy on the 8th. She needed him found while she and cali n jess were nowhere to be found so as to instantly give them immunity. No doubt, cali shot him up carried him to greenhouse, then when he was out, he shot him, jessica hopper saw the after results, cali a mess, heard the noise, cali told her he just found him like that, and they had to get out and stay silent so they didnt go down for it. Cl pays everything for the pair, even until now, just like dylan Carlson. She drug him into the thing using him buying the shotgun as reason for his guilt so he never spoke either. Such a shame, we all know it, just cant get authorities to follow suit. Poor troubled trapped kurt. What it musta been like for his poor soul.
Yep I agree. Hey is that Rene naverrette next to Cali? I’ll never know who pulled the trigger but surely Cali is the main suspect and he clearly had an important role in it
Cali was most likely involved, yes... However I think it's amazing that all the people who were living their including a nanny couldn't hear a shotgun blast... I mean or one or two maybe but were there like an average of 7 people living in the house.
+Per-Christian Martinussen I think they heard it, but freaked out and left out of fear and possibly knowing they were somewhere they shouldn't be, like, what would people think if they knew they were there, all of the things that these commenters are thinking of these days prove to be true...in the end I think Kurt committed suicide because when he found out Courtney was cheating on him, he wanted a divorce, but he didn't want to put Frances through what he went through as a child, and didn't want to stop using drugs, he didn't want to play music anymore, and people were pushing him to tour, people were calling him a sell out after such a popular song, he hated to play that song, after a while, have all this shit swirling in your head, I'd probably do it too, but my luck I'd miss a major mass of brain or artery and survive with 1/2 a face and live having a visiting nurse change my colostomy bag, pushing food and fluids through a port, and living with the memory for the rest of my life. That would be hell on earth, I think I'd have someone do it for me just to make sure I completed the task...and the heroin thing when you have a habit it's insane the tolerance that can be built and the sheer amount people can do just so they're not sick, I've read of people doing 3 grams and being okay....it's when they get out of re-hab for a long period of time and go back to doing what they used to, they're body detoxed and doesn't have the same tolerance, so they think they can handle it, and they od....I don't think Kurt ever stopped using, in my mind he took some with him when he went in just so he wasn't sick, you'd be surprised what people would do. I'm sure they weren't checking his socks and belt loops for extra hiding places...I don't know, but what I do know is we lost an icon and 22 years ago seems like yesterday to me....
Respectfully that's wrong. Ex SPD Chief Of Police Norm Stamper: “It’s about right and wrong. It’s about honour. It’s about ethics,” he added. “If we didn’t get it right the first time, we damn well better get it right the second time, and I would tell you right now if I were the Chief of Police, I would reopen this investigation.”
Kurt and Courtney lived their and if course their child and a live in nanny also but when Kurt was killed Courtney and Frances was in California as well as another nanny but Cali and one of his girlfriends Jessica hopper was at Kurt’s house while Kurt came home for unknown reasons that’s why he left the rehab in California their were several calls from Courtney’s rehab outgoing to Kurt’s rehab and many outgoing calls from Courtney’s room to the Washington house where Cali was staying so that’s makes it obvious Courtney was plotting with Cali and also made up some bogus story to make Kurt to run home to Washington and then Kurt was set up and killed
Hey, smart people can put 2 and 2 together, we know Cali was seriously involved in Kirt dead, and i mean big time. This not a question here any more, you dummies. The point here is, how this person can live with him self, for all these years, just because the justice didn't came to him ,dousnt mean that, y6gota live your life like nothing happened! And, yet its exactly what he is being doing for all these years! ! This is extremely ignorant, mentally ill persona, fuelled by drugs all his life , you want find normal human regrets and morals in such individual. These types of people DO NOT HAVE SUCH REMORS, SND THEY NEVER WILL. SAME IS FOR COURTNEY LOVE. The same sick individual
faridjabba + After all the research I have done. I still think CL was the master mind behind it all. It seems all these people were scared of CL. That's why NONE of them have came forward, and spoken publicly about this matter. I was hoping Frances would put some heat on people since she is an adult now.
cali shot him and by the way its impossible to prove Courtney was in LA. she actually called Tom Grant after Kurt was already dead which if it wasn't obvious already made it look like she couldn't find him when he saw multiple people in Seattle prior to his death which is odd to say the least.
What? Frances was like 1 when this happened, the guy with pink hair is Cali Dewitt, he's holding Frances in this video, the guy sitting on the stairs is Mark Lanegan, from screaming trees. @@nathanlibertyreal
@EngineOfRuin I'm pretty confused. I also thought that's Cali but why Tom said that is definitly not Cali? I'm also not sure if Cali was present at the house on april 8th...I'll do some research.
I think it could be Rene Navarette. He was Cali's friend who was employed as an assistant, left something like March 28 but came back after Kurt died. Everett True interviewed him for his book on Nirvana. It can't be Cali because he was in LA.
“He’s running around saying all these crazy things about Kurt that aren’t true.. saying he was Kurt’s best friend.. liar!” -CL to Tom G about Rene running his mouth after the murder
Link to where he says this(?) I’ve heard his recordings: he knew (in April-June of 94) where Cali was staying because CL told him they moved to LA with jimmy wapo and gave the address and said on 8th of June that Cali, Rene and Jennifer had all moved in there at Jimmy’s.
In my opinion,if he was involved,he wouldn't expose all these recordings.but .we are finally in front of a huge conspiracy...there are red flags everywhere...these 8 people were in the house for months and all of a sudden they disappeared...pat smear said he didn't answer his phone calls,mark lanegan too,no fingerprints, extremely amount of heroin..and i have a question mark...what type of a heroin user kills himself with a gun and he is not have his back on the wall????????
@@kevenrowe2958 It's fine to question things because the police didn't do their job properly at the time and just assumed suicide open and shut, it's their fault you've got people that believe Courtney's word for it and the official story we know today and then loads of other people that feel there was misjustice and people got away with it. I've always wondered who was using Kurt's credit card those last few days he was dead then suddenly stopped on the 8th around the time he was discovered..
@@Cairo98_ You keep saying this but what makes you think they didn't do their job properly? The credit card usage stopped because the card stopped working. Although the cards that Kurt had also had separate cards linked to them. Cali had one of them for his role as housekeeper. I believe he had been trying to buy a ticket for Jessica but it was declined twice. It's more likely that Kurt ditched the card when he realised it wasn't working. Why would the 'killer' take the card but leave a wad of untraceable money in Kurt's pocket? Is the killer so stupid that he would steal the credit card of a murder victim he/she was hired to kill?
@@frankelder1158 The fact they concluded suicide early on never sat right with me 😂. No wonder Courtney made fans wait 8 years to hear You Know You're Right being about getting away from her lmao.
@@frankelder1158 One of the purchases at the time was like a couple grand lol wonder who was doing that. Last purchase was around the time before they found him that morning then it went dead. I'd be surprised if wasn't destroyed by whoever used it.
Jackie Farry is holding Frances. Yes, that's Mark Lanegan, who was one of the first 'on the scene' according to Everett True's book. The other person- Patty Schemel? You "Cobain Case" people need to do your homework. If you watched the whole documentery it would be clear to you that Jackie Farry is in this video.
TheLadyKatey but that is clearly Cali holding Frances. I agree that everybody else is who you say they are, but Cali is holding Frances. The first two to walk out is Jackie Farry and possibly Jessica Hopper. Then it’s Cali, Frances, Mark and Patty Schemel.
Mark Lanegan never gets the recognition he truly deserves. Everyone wants to put Eddie Vedder in a plastic bubble when they talk about “who’s left” after Kurt, Layne and Chris are gone but Mark has an amazing voice, much better than Eddie Vedder!!!
@dueliman it's from the cl behind the music that aired on vh1 last year but i always thought it was cali as well so i am not sure and yes that is frances and jackie the one larger lady lol
@@philpants44 Jesus Christ. he actually had an Arsenal of guns around that time before police confiscated them. Kurt liked to shoot guns krist and Dave both confirmed this
Cali was suppose to be out of town by the time Kurt was found. Tom Grant never could catch up with him. He wanted Cali to take a lie dect. test. CL told him Cali was out of town.. Unless... he came back real quick.
Sherry Saunders this isn’t the day Kurt was found and this isn’t even at Kurt’s house 😂 😂 this is why RU-vid sucks most of the time bc people puts fake titles up to get views
@negativecreep1993 well not sure if the one seating down is kurt cobain.. the female next to her dunno... the background house is hurt cobain home i think.. then again i dont understand what this hiden camera footage was actually about ?
The one sitting down is not Cobain because he was already discovered in the greenhouse that day. It's Mark Lanegan and I heard his death was quite hard on him as you would expect. His album The Winding Sheet was an inspiration for Where Did You Sleep Last Night on Unplugged.
@catinhas77 Ich habe Tom gefragt ob er weiß, welche Personen auf dem Foto sind. Ich denke auch das es Cali ist aber Tom sagte mir eben das die Person mit Frances defenitiv nicht Cali ist. Weiß nun auch nicht was ich glauben soll. Auf jeden Fall war Cali am 8. April auch dort gewesen, das ist richtig. Vielleicht täuscht sich Tom einfach nur.
It certainly looks like Cali. The red/black hair… but I thought he was in LA on the 8th maybe not. I know Rene and Jennifer moved in with jimmy wapo in La right around this time and I believe Cali does in the same week.
It's ridiculous. Cali, a 20 year old heroin addict managing to pull off a murder but making it look like suicide? The poor man did nothing wrong. Even went to Tom Grant's office to be interviewed and provide handwriting samples. I'm glad he's not hiding away and is living his life.
If the police had done their job and looked at all ends instead of cutting corners, we probably wouldn't be in this comment section discussing such things. There's just holes, pun intended, all over this case and some people would have everything to lose if these questions were possibly answered imo.
@@Cairo98_ Vernon J Geberth (retired commanding officer of the Bronx Homicide Task Force) reviewed the case with the SPD and states "I believe Kurt Cobain took his own life and backed up my opinion with the facts I had obtained from the Seattle Police Homicide Division coupled with my own experience with suicide cases" (I'm paraphrasing). There's a RU-vid video where Det. Ciesynski and Det Steiger discuss the case. It really does not seem that any corners were cut. Look up Kurt Cobain Conspiracy Theory: Interview with Det. Mike Ciesynski & Det. Cloyd Steiger.
@@frankelder1158 They assumed a suicide from the start and the media just went with it. Key figures in and around the house at the time Kurt was supposed to have shot himself were never really approached. Like how does a bullet end up on other side of Kurt where it should've landed when the trigger was pulled when there was no obstruction to have caused it to be where it was found? Real dumb mistake by whoever was in there with him, personally believe he wasn't alone shooting up, always seemed odd with people in and around the house that they didn't know he was there or heard the blast. 😂
@@Cairo98_ It was a shotgun. They are top heavy. He held it, shot it and as he fell it swiveled. Shell released while he was falling. Someone on RU-vid has created a video explaining it really well. Alternatively, the shell bounced off his hand/arm. We don't know the position he was in when he shot himself. He was in an enclosed space and shells bounce. How do you know the key figures were 'never approached'? Cali was interviewed as far as I'm aware.
All the conspiracy theories are hilarious. Kurt was a full blown junkie, he had junkies around him, he lived that lifestyle. He couldn’t stop and committed suicide under the influence of heroin. His judgment was clouded to say the least. I’m not ripping on the guy at all. I loved Nirvana and still listen to them all the time. Maybe people who have never been addicted to a substance have hard time believing how much it takes over your life and wants to ultimately destroy you in my opinion.
This image of Kurt being depressed at the end I don't buy it. He was giving interviews in 93, 94 of possibly trying a different sound in music with or after Nirvana, even wanted to join Hole according to Courtney before it got bad in their relationship, he had Frances Bean, stomach pain was finally gone. He was still going hard in those final shows as well as he always did. Then bam April 5th rolls around, he shoots up heroin and shoots himself which hasn't happened before or since in the way it did. And no one apparently had heard the shotgun blast. Yeah right. Imo there's more to it and it's a shame proper inquires weren't done back in 94. 😏
Rosemary carol, Courtney’s entertainment lawyer is the one who first thought it was a murder conspiracy.. she’s the one that told Tom grant To investigate CL as a possible murderer bec of the “get arrested” note and the handwriting practice sheet. “I think [the suicide note] was traced.. or forged”
@@TrumpsAssassinator no it wasn’t- that being said Cali, Rene and possibly Eric were the main one’s involved in Kurt’s death and cover up besides Courtney. The girls- Bonni Dillard, Jennifer adamson and Jessica hopper didn’t really do anything other than witness the cover up from what I know.
I don’t know who the short haired woman is at the beginning but that’s Cali holding Frances, Mark Lanegan in the brown jacket, and Jackie Ferry in the big sweater with the orange hair.
What is this supposed to be?? I get that may be Cali holding Kurt Cobain child little bean an that guy looks like Mark from screaming trees.. I want to know what is the reason of this video is it around the time Kurt was murder?? That would be awesome if someone came forward with a video of Cali killing Kurt.. never know kurt was a huge star an they had no gate or fence an no security an ect so I'm sure he had a lot of tmz type of people an stalkers always around his house an explaining why he wanted a gun
@@Heisenberg882 if kurt was clear in the head he would divorce that love earlier but prboably kurt would die either way. i remember some quiet famous dude saying courtney love is a dangerous person and was saying that to kurt. i bet he fell in love with her,got blinded by love and then it was too late to realise she was ruining his life. normal wife would help husband go to rehab etc especially while having daughter. meanwhile courntey was taking drugs and probably feeding them to kurt... its sad bcuz frances has been brainwashed by love and his own daughter talks so much shit about kurt its ridicilous
@Carl's Brother the same reason that people murder other people since the dawn of time .. greed, money, power, the threat of losing all of that, mixed with socio/psychopathy no loyalty seeing everyone and anyone as a stepping stone to their goal(s) ... look check this out .. Courtney Love knew the Mentors right? the Mentors had El Duce in it .. El Duce said CL offered him $50,000 to kill kurt the Mentors have lyrics to a song saying "it's a sandwich of love (Love?) one below and one above, she's the one with no soul, she's got a guy in every hole (Hole?) Hole and CL have a song with lyrics saying "i'm the one with no soul, one above and one below" hmmmmmm .... interesting .. sandwich of love (double penetration anal vaginal sex with CL in the middle ) one below and one above (penis in anus and vagina) she's the one with no soul (a psychopath) she's got a guy in every hole ( bj, anal, vag sex) she's a wh*re plain and simple .. she was cheating on Kurt , Kurt knew this, Kurt was going to divorce her, they both made calls for divorce lawyers, Kurt was writing her out of his will, she was at risk of losing everything she had.. she concocted a story of kurt being suicidal, being a raging heroin addict, she staged the intervention where she threatened to take Frances away (this was in retaliation of the pending divorce) Kurt trying to save himself from this retaliation went to the rehab where CL tried to contact him numerous times (kurt was going to get clean and then divorce her so his drug habit couldtn be used in the divorce proceedings) kurt felt threatened due to CL's harassment at the rehab and left Kurt went to get stuff and was going to go to a different rehab where CL coulnt find him , CL gets work through Cali Dewit where Kurt is .. murder plan enacted.. Kurt couldnt get out in time there is the basic "how it happened" that i can come up with .. i have evidence to back up each part and which points to major players like Cali and Dylan but thats too much for a youtube comment
wow what an idiot. kurt in 1993 and 1994 was healthy and quiet happy so idk wtf are you talking about. have you seen MTV unplugged, live and loud, 1994 paper interviews ( he was literally saying he is feeling better and stomach pain stopped) ? you troglodyte
courntey love and people involved in the crime are pushing "bad" and " depressed" intreviews to the mainstream and they are creating that junkie, unhealthy and suicidal image of kurt since the end of 1992
