I think Kurzweil is always the truer piano sound but I think I kind of like the sound of the Yamaha, it reminds me of the sound of some old David Benoit I listen too.
Thanks for comparison. Kurzweil gives us a powerful feature: keyboard aftertouch, which is amazing with FM! Sadly, many synthesizers, including MODX and Korg Opsix, don't have that.
Kurzweil jezeli chodzi o piano ma więcej środka bardziej ostre w brzmieniu yamaha bardziej grubsze ma brzmienie więcej basu..ogólnie rzecz biorąc yamaha gra bardziej grubo kurzweil bardziej liniowo każdy z nich jest fajny co do końcowego mixa brzmień każdy idzie pod swoje ucho i preferencjie ustawic
Kind of depends on depth if you are into programming. If not Yamaha is easier to get around. Kurzweil for incredible adjustments that are unique to Kurzweil's v.a.s.t.
Nice Video... But these machines are not only Electronic Pianos... They are awesome workstations... In my opinion, I cannot compare just with pianos sounds... even if sounds are greats for both of them... What about Organ ? Strings ? Pad ? Synth ? Sequencer use ? Arpeggios engine ?... :)
You are sadly misinformed,sir.The Yamaha MODX is NOT a workstation...but a mere synthesizer(with an exceptional FM engine)....butonly with a very basic midi recorder to lay down song ideas.Whereas the Kurzweil PC4,has a full-fledged song sequencer,capable of very advanced and detailed editing(pattern,copy and paste recording and assignable effects to each of the 16 tracks.)Speaking of synthesis,Kurzweil's V.A.S.T. synth engine can perfectly emulate every type of synthesis,which makes Kurzweil the most unmatched and versatile synthesizer ever conceived.Kurzweil's build quality is second to none and the very best part,is that the PC4's cost,is identical to that of the Yamaha MODX 88 key.
thank you for replying.. my jumber dream keyboard is Yamaha MODX i want to buy a new keyboard for my church because some of keys are dead ☹️ because that keyboard is old school the model is Yamaha PSR E343 thank you so much Kurzweil Godbless you.. 😊😇
I like feeling the realistic hammering sound and trembling of Kurzweil, Yamaha could'nt do. Kurzweil is only one, sounding replicating the feeling the trembling of wooden body of acoustic piano.
Christoff, tens of thousands of keyboard players with disagree with you based upon the reviews. Public forums. Comments. The medulla action is a welcome break from the generic action that most of them use. It is much more natural.
Felt the mids are slightly scooped on the modx compared to the kurzweil for piano..but I guess both of them have their unique strengths for various patches
@@BUJU2007 ohh...no..its not that bad.. a little boost on the mids in the master eq on it should fix tht...again...this my opinion...wen ur doing a solo performance..this may or may not be an issue... however wen playing with a band setup ..this mid dip could be an advantage...
Hi, are these preset sounds? I own both of these but I can't find any rewarding FM / DX piano presets on the Kurzweil. The Yamaha has everything but it's not as 'tweakable' as the PC4. Your video comparisons are the best on RU-vid by far.
Hi, I own a. PC 4 SE and( although it has more than 400 programs vs pc4) I don't find almost any good FM/DX piano. Have you found any of them online? Any pointers?
@@angelmirmartinez9096 Hi, the creator of this video has some great FM/DX sounds and I purchased directly from them. They’re probably the best you will get but as good as they are, Yamaha are where those sounds are at their best…….In the end I sold the PC4 and stayed with the MODX8. Sorry if it’s not the answer you were hoping for. If it were for natural pianos, you won’t find better than on the Kurzweil but I will look through my libraries to see exactly where I got the DX sounds from and update accordingly. Regards from the UK
@@angelmirmartinez9096 These are the sounds I purchased. You can get some amazing sounds by layering them 👍 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-l5THqEoh6Iw.html
Kurzweil has a SystemEx download which gives you the same 6 operator sounds as the original DX7 plus when loaded into the PC4 you have the use of your onboard chorus, reverb and delay. The PC4 is much like a stage piano with buttons and sliders for on the fly editing. Much easier than deep menu diving to do edits..on the MODX. It takes two hands just to transpose on the modx.
@@CraigScottFrost Yes, you can! All the DX7 libraries in the original exclusive system format can be easily loaded into the PC4 user memory with a thumb drive. From here you can begin to use them, add any efx from PC4 engine or combine with the V.A.S.T synthesis of the Kurtzweil... In few words: endless possibilities...
Yamaha is cool if you want that pot production sound “out of box” but I prefer a little more headroom to play with in the studio, and a more natural sound so I can feel at home 🏡 with my work, or pleasure.
The volumes were adjusted exactly the same. If you measure on a DB level, they are virtually the same. With the Yamaha actually sounding a slight bit louder on some of the electric and other sounds. What you are hearing, is the timbre and overtones and character of the sound. When you say the Kurzweil basic grand piano sound is louder, it's not actually louder, it's that your hearing a more complex sound at least on that patch.
Uninteresting, it is so similar . The real difference is in synthesis motor that all. The watch is the possibility and differences between synth sound. Now all keyboard (high price) sounds very good
No...montage is the yamaha high end keyboard model (more than 3500 € for the montage 8). The PC 4 is the kurzweil mid level keyboard (2000 € the pc4). The point is that...the PC4 really offers so much for 2000 €.
Opinions needed: Which of the two would be best to replicate classic 80's synth sounds (like those used in songs like She Blinded Me With Science, Jump, Sunglasses at Night, Sweet Dreams are Made of This, etc)?
The volumes were adjusted exactly the same. If you measure on a DB level, they are virtually the same. With the Yamaha actually sounding a slight bit louder on some of the electric and other sounds. What you are hearing, is the timbre and overtones and character of the sound. When you say the Kurzweil basic grand piano sound is louder, it's not actually louder, it's that your hearing a more complex sound at least on that patch.
Awesome video, bro! Can you be a lamb and tell me if there is a sound on the Yamaha Montage (I have the Yamaha Montage 7 and the Yamaha, Jr. (MOD7) that resembles the "shire" sound that is found on the PC4? Thanks so much!
dont be too surprised, remember, Yamaha also makes real pianos. To me they mostly just sounded different in this demo, Yamaha a fuller sound, Kurzweil was more about the mids. If i HAD to choose one of those types of piano sounds, Id go fuller, though i love them both
I want to purchase a keyboard, possible keyboard workstation. I have listened to many You Tube videos and think I’ve narrowed it down to the Kurzweil PC4 or PC3K8 (88 keys). I want to make the best choice for my needs/wants with a budget up to $2,500 SO I’M ASKING FOR ADVICE FROM INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE PLAYED ON MULTIPLE KEYBOARDS Which keyboard should I buy with a budget up to $2,500? My wish list- 88 keys, weighted or semi-weighted Quality sound & feel Authentic /best Hammond options Variety of creative sound options/effects Option for downloading sounds/patches Creative control Will use for pleasure & jamming w/a band User friendly There are probably more features I’m interested in, just can’t think of them at the moment. Thanks for your help!
I had to reply since our last names are similar (everyone thinks it's Richardson, I have to say...nonono! lol). Anyway. I have a Kurzweil PC3-x, which I've used for over 16 years. It has never failed or faltered. I love the action and everything else seems cheap to me. I used it as my sole keyboard in a Journey tribute band and got ALL the sounds spot on (except the piano sound on Don''t Stop Believin,' that is really hard to get). I only got a 2nd keyboard (a Korg Triton Extreme which I found really cheap) because my bandmates said Jonathan Cain uses multiple keyboards. (Oh, all right! lol). EVERY time I played it in new situations, other musicians always were stunned by the sound. The problem with the Japanese keyboards is that Asians tend to make the sounds too bright (note how Japanese music has a lot of high pitched intstruments) because they are more pleasing to their ears. This is not "racist" but truth...I nearly became a Yamaha rep and sold keyboards in the 80's. It is well-known. Anyway, I'm going to replace my Kurzweil because it's just wearing out. And before that, I had SEVERAL 88-key keyboards for a year or two and have owned many, many other keyboards. But you always have to ask yourself, "What do I want my keyboard to do for my musical satisfaction?" I've bought many musical toys on strictly emotion and later realized that many of the sounds, even though they were cool, had no real use. Hope that helps.
Hoy Día, la Mayoría de los Teclados, Suenan Igual, difiere la Equs,el Mismo Motor, hasta la Cuarta Octava, Bien, después, horrible a Cajita musical. sin Dinámica, con Cualquier sampler, me Baja calidad lo sacas casi igual,, solo puede Ser mejor en la teclas,nada mas.creo que se termino, lo de los Teclados, y me Apena, 20 años en Venta de Teclados,
The Kurzweil is the only one here that has the real synth FM engine built-in. Which is incredible for this class. Also, you can load all of those other Yamaha DX sounds into the Kurzweil!
No. PC4 has more presets, but Forte has the bigger/nicer samples for piano, Rhodes, Wurly, Clav, Celesta, Harpsi and Glock. For everything else, the sounds are interchangeable. Any PC4 sounds that are not pianos/EPs can load into Forte and vice versa. In fact, over at the Forte users Facebook group, I've already posted the PC4's new FM presets in Forte format. :)
@@Kurzweilmusicsystems Suposedly the PC4 is slightly better for digital artifacts with regards to synthesized and heavily effected sounds? THough if i remember, some over on gearslutz are saying its still dissapointing in that regard. While the factory preset sounds on the PC4 arent the long samples, am i remembering correctly, you can load any given memory-intensive multi-sample sound onto the PC4, it is just limiited in overall memory?
Those are different classes. You would want to test it against the Forte series. However, the fact that people are even thinking to put the PC 4 in the same class as higher class workstations, tells you how good it is.
This is Unfair comparison. PC4 is the flagship of Kurzweil. Of course Montage should be counter part. Although MODX partially use same sample of Montage.
Sten Modler Pondal I don’t agree that Forte is the flagship just for memory spec comparing. Below points are some reasons why it can not be flagship model. 1. PC4 uses LENA processor, and Forte uses MARA processor. LENA processor has processing ability, about 6 times, compare with Forte’s 2. Some functions need for using workstation are more powerful than Forte. Even It was worse before Forte launching 4.0 OS ver. Update 3. Forte (128 poly) vs PC4 (256 poly) So, unless new model revealed at Forte line, still PC 4 would be the flagship of Kurzweil.
@@matthewsohn5220 I have to correct myself: the PC4 has 2 GB's of sound, not 4. Surely the PC4 has certain pros over the Forte since it's a much newer board. But the Forte is still the flagship, in the sense that it's the pro-level keyboard with much bigger sample ROM, more user sample memory, better keybed, better build quality, internal power supply and polyphony-free organs - All this was cut down on the PC4 in order to reduce price and/or weight. But I would agree that the Forte needs an update with all the new stuff from PC4 I still however don't see why they should have used the Montage in this video (even though the MODX and the Montage apparently shares most of the same sounds anyway). But the PC4 is supposed to be a light weight midrange board, which is also reflected in the price, and the Montage is almost twice as expensive. The Forte would probably have fared better in this video's comparison, as it has the full size piano samples and not the destilled ones in the PC4, and both keyboards still share the same synth-engine and the same FX-engine.
Sten Modler Pondal Justifying “which Model is the excellent synth” is changing nowadays. Few years ago, bigger memory and many kinds for sample sounds is the most important thing. But “Virtual Instruments” change the paradigm of Hardware Synth. As Virtual Instrument more developed, Rom memory loaded with hardware synth, containing sound samples, would be substituted. Finally, we should consider “the convergence” with DAW. Or as workstation into foreseeable future. And PC4 reflect this needs accurately. Cut off the weight, so does it. Of course Kurzweil could cut-off their cost for produce. Anyways, as a workstation, PC4 has more powerful performance than MODX I think. And I also can not understand why they should compare two models just for piano sample sounds, not for other special functions. It looks a little bit dumb. It was really “meaningless” comparison.
What a pathetic comparison . The Modx has thousands of sounds and then you can modify the heck out of them. I'm sure the Kurzweill has similar possibilities and we get a few pianos played in this video . Not showing even 1% of possible sounds.
Nord is super easy to use, and they sound good enough, but they're a bit underpowered, especially considering the high price tag. Stage and Electro can barely do splits and layers. Boards like PC4 and MODX are for users that need more features for settings like wedding/cover bands, music theater, etc, that require a ton of flexibility and programmability.
because they have already bought their board. If they were all forced to make a new purchase today, Nord wouldnt be as well represented as they are now. And plenty of people do prefer the modern Yamaha piano sound to the Nord.
No way! I recently purchased a MODX-88. Also have 2 other Yamaha Pianos (P125 and P250) as well as Kurzweil Artis. Have an Electro 4 and Nord Electro 6. The MODX puts every sound on the Nord to shame except in the Organ category. Also, with Nord, it’s not possible to layer two sounds in a segment (Organ, Piano, Synth). With Yamaha and Kurzweil this is a non brained. So, yeah, since you paid twice as much for a Nord than a Yam or Kurz, you’re gonna have to say it’s the best.
