Kyrios as a Christological Title - Hayward Lectures 2014 - Dr David B Capes

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1st Lecture. I am blessed to know David Capes. I came across these exceptional lectures produced by Acadia Divinity College in 2014. In our discussions of them David mentioned he wished the Power Point Slides had been included on the video. I told him I could re-edit the videos to include them. Mike Harris was an invaluable aid in resolving one difficulty. I needed the Power Point slides converted to jpg media files. He provided just what we needed.
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@FocusontheKingdom 2 года назад

Again, please note the serious language errors in this video; at 9:30 Dr Capes states that the word Adonai is used of patriarchs, kings, Joseph, etc. This is simply not accurate! Dr Capes also says that the 2nd lord of Psalm 110:1 is Adonai. This too is factually incorrect.

@fleetwd1 3 месяца назад

@@FocusontheKingdom I do not know what Hebrew text you are using. I have Green’s interlinear Hebrew text. The first LORD in most texts of Psalms 110:1 is YHWH the second Lord is a form of Adonai. Adonai can be used as a respectful word for a person who is not equated with YHWH as well as a substitute for YHWH which is David Capes point.

@FocusontheKingdom 3 месяца назад

@@fleetwd1 Try Brown, Driver and Briggs, Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament, under adon or Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. 3, p. 137 or Theological Dictionary of the NT, Vol. 3, p. 1060-1061, etc.

@fleetwd1 3 месяца назад

@@FocusontheKingdomi have Dictionary of NT Theology vol 3 p. 1060-1061 it is on Woman not Adon. perhaps your reference is to a different dictionary. i also have Dictionary of OT Theology and Exegesis do you have reference in either of those? here is a transliteration of the two words the first Lord in all caps is used for the Hebrew letters transcribed as YHWH. the second Lord not in all caps is used for the Hebrew letters transcribed as LADNY. The L is for "to my" ADNY is Adonai. Do you have a different Hebrew Text than I? Page 256 Dictionary of OT Theology & Exegesis has the same Hebrew letters in my Hebrew text for the 2nd Lord in Psalms 110:1. Pronunciation Adonay translation my Lord.

@FocusontheKingdom 3 месяца назад

@@fleetwd1 focusonthekingdom.org/adonai.htm

@FocusontheKingdom 3 года назад

At around the 9 minute mark Dr. Capes incorrectly defines the word Adonai as referring to “persons in authority.” But the word Adonai never refers to human beings. He also incorrectly says the word in Psalm 110:1 is Adonai. It is not. I note the following quotes from the WBC: "Underlying the two uses of kyrios are two different Hebrew words: the first is the tetragrammaton (the personal name 'Yahweh,' which was not spoken by the Jews, who substituted the word adonay, i.e. a word virtually identical to the second word); the second is adoni, 'my lord.' David calls his son not Yahweh but adoni, 'my lord': 'Yahweh [the Lord] said to my lord.'" (WBC, Matthew, p. 651) "The LXX approximates the Hebrew, which uses different words for 'lord': neum YHWH l'adoni, 'oracle of Yahweh to my lord.'" (WBC, Mark, p. 273)

@fleetwd1 3 года назад

while your argument appears to be well thought out, there is no support with Hebrew Scholars on the distinction you make. The New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology & Exegesis gives 3 places it addresses adonay. one in their first volume which shows it like other Semitic languages is used for both divine and human references. the other two references are located in Volume 4. Where It makes clear that during the writing of Hebrew Scriptures there was no practice of not speaking the Name YHWH. it only developed after the closing of written material we call the Old Testament. the practice was aided by the translation of Hebrew Scripture into Greek where it substituted the Name with Adonia. Adonia and Adonay are both forms of Adon and there is no room for a artificial distinction to be made between them according to Hebrew language specialist.. Thank you for your comment. it gave opportunity to study out this issue that some raise.

@FocusontheKingdom 3 года назад

@@fleetwd1 Adonai is YHWH, never a human person. “Lord. This term in the OT is used to translate ADONAI when applied to the Divine Being. The [Hebrew] word…is with suffix with [special pointing], presumably for the sake of distinction…between a divine or a human appellative.” ("Lord,” Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. 3, p. 137). “Hebrew Adonai exclusively denotes the God of Israel. It is attested about 450 times in the OT." ("Lord," Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible, p. 531-532).

@fleetwd1 3 года назад

@@FocusontheKingdom there is no support for an artificial distinction between Adonai and Adonay based upon the best of Hebrew Scholarship. there are a few that attempt to make a distinction but their arguments are not accepted by those who know best..

@FocusontheKingdom 3 года назад

@@fleetwd1 Maybe you missed the quotes posted before from the Word Biblical Commentary: “Underlying the two uses of kyrios are two different Hebrew words: the first is the tetragrammaton (the personal name 'Yahweh,' which was not spoken by the Jews, who substituted the word adonay, i.e. a word virtually identical to the second word); the second is adoni, 'my lord.' David calls his son not Yahweh but adoni, 'my lord': 'Yahweh [the Lord] said to my lord.'" (WBC, Matthew, p. 651) "The LXX approximates the Hebrew, which uses different words for 'lord': neum YHWH l'adoni, 'oracle of Yahweh to my lord.'" (WBC, Mark, p. 273)

@fleetwd1 3 года назад

@@FocusontheKingdom your words in quotes, "Adonai is YHWH, never a human person." and again "But the word Adonai never refers to human beings'" his words, "Underlying the two uses of kyrios are two different Hebrew words: the first is the tetragrammaton (the personal name 'Yahweh,' which was not spoken by the Jews, who substituted the word adonay"...."the second is adoni, 'my lord.' David calls his son not Yahweh but adoni, 'my lord'." Now there may be a case for Adonay being used exclusively for YHWH. But you use the other word Adoni saying it is exclusive to YHWH which even your experts quotation disagrees with as does Strong's :Hebrew Dictionary and The New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology & Exegesis. So I think you are not understanding the wording of your own source.

@WoundedEgo 5 лет назад

In the Q&A did I understand you to suggest that temple-centric Judaism continues to be a viable covenant relationship to God?

@fleetwd1 5 лет назад

he mentions the use of the divine Name is only acceptable to use it in the temple at around 58:00. I do not think he is suggesting temple-centric Judaism continues to be a viable covenant relationship to God. The earthly temple served it's purpose prior to the destruction in 70 AD. Further use for a temple is not necessary. the visitation by YHWH which had not happened during the 2nd temple period but was promised by prophets was fulfilled when Jesus who had the shekinah glory hidden within his earthly flesh visited the temple. He interpreted his body to be the reality to which the temple pointed. The Solomon temple had the shekinah glory fill it during the dedication ceremony. No such visitation happened at the dedication of the 2nd temple which had the Hebrews concerned. Prophets announced it would one day be visited with greater presence than the temple by Solomon, but it was veiled in human flesh so it took them unaware. if this does not answer your question give me the time stamp near the question or answer given.

@WoundedEgo 5 лет назад

@@fleetwd1 Thanks for the clarification.

@michaelfalsia6062 3 месяца назад

Yeshua or Iesous is Kyrios. That is supreme and equal with God in that Yeshua Iesous is God. All exousia (power) in heaven and earth has been given to Yeshua! To say Christos is to equally say Mashiac. There is only one Yeshua Iesous who was the seed of Abraham and who is the Kyrios over all His Elect people both Jew and all those Ethnic people for whom He has saved by the blood of His cross and by His perfect righteousness imputed to all of the ransomed members of His body throughout all the ages. Hallelujah what a Savior!

@Bully380 7 лет назад

Matthew10:30 "Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. Luke 12:8 "I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. Acts 2:24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. Acts 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. Acts 16:31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household." Romans4:24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in god. John 4:15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. Hebrews 2:9 But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. 1 Peter 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

@Bully380 7 лет назад

yes christ is not god, kyrios in its ablolute form is ho kyrios which means many gods and is a hebrew word but of arabic jewish origin. kyrios was taking in as a lessor lord but not god by true jews, but the problem is that ho kyrios in its ablolute form means gods and is not a word originated by true christ son believing hebrew jews. so that alone tell some one that ho kyrios should not be used for christ and not even god. it's not a word his people originated and means gods.

@fleetwd1 7 лет назад

while it is true kyrios can have the meanings you point out above, please continue to watch these lectures. they are very revealing especially the 2nd dealing with YHWH texts in Paul.

@Bully380 7 лет назад

fleetwd1 thank you very much and great video I have not seen many who acknowledges that true believers of those time never used it in its absolute form for christ.

@fleetwd1 7 лет назад

I was very impressed with these lectures by David given in 2014. I think he fairly represents all viewpoints and brings out some points that I have never heard. They are definitely worth consideration. I am blessed to be able to offer them on my channel David remarked to me that he was disappointed that the original videos did not have his PowerPoint slides. So he and I and those from Acadia Divinity College worked together so I could edit the original videos to include the PowerPoint.

@Bully380 7 лет назад

fleetwd1 yes I see he said he is a Baptist but says he can believe a trinity as long as Christ is son, I don't believe in the holy spirit but this man is genuine with what he does. he can believe the trinity as long as Christ is son not god, not every trinitarian believes that. I after all don't believe the trinity I just believe the father and his son only. breath of life had the meaning spirit added to it later on in time, so now it made gods breath into an entity when he is the entity not his breath, but that is my study and thanks again for reading my comment great video and I study many trinitarians on their creation studies they are great at it, I don't believe their god head view but any one who believes a supreme being usually means good.

@FocusontheKingdom 2 года назад

@michaelfalsia6062 3 месяца назад

Better read Psalm 110 again. Yahweh (YHWH) said to my Lord (laAdoni). A preposition attached to the masculine noun (Adonai) Yeshua himself confirmed this in the gospel. Referring to the Hebrew text, of course, and refuting the misunderstanding of the great scholars.

@FocusontheKingdom 3 месяца назад

@@michaelfalsia6062 You changed the noun from adoni to Adonai. “Adonai and adoni are variations of Massoretic pointing to distinguish divine reference from human.” (Brown, Driver and Briggs, Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament, under adon). “The form adoni (‘my lord’), a royal title (1 Sam. 29:8), is to be carefully distinguished from the divine title Adonai ('my Lord,' 'Lord,' or 'O Lord'), used over 130 times of Yahweh.” (“Lord,” International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, p. 157).