Unlike the old days, people these days simply refuse to engage until they have absolute advantages in their positions and the positions they grab their opponents. They use blunt force making the soft way the hard way.
Yes, it looks fake. No, it's not. Want proof? Find your nearest Judo instructor, learn to fall, and start playing. You can't believe it until you've felt it.
Great advice letting people know to "LEARN TO FALL" Bless You Sir, because people think Judo/Jujitsu is bullshit until they get thrown or put in a joint lock by a real player
I'm not sure what you mean by "its not wrestling with jackets." Wrestling is a martial art and it takes an enormous amount of skill, there are wrestlers who are skilled like Mifune. I never make it a habit to look down on any other martial art. I believe there are many things Judoka can learn from other grappling arts. Master Kano rebelled against jujutsu tradition, he wouldn't disapprove of modern Judo. Maybe the removal of leg locks in practice just because they're not in competition.
For those who don't quite understand what's happening: At the beginning of each throw attempt, Mifune Judan is misaligning himself just enough that the judoka that are trying to throw him can't get proper leverage. It's not that they aren't trying, they legitimately can't throw him because he's either too far away or at the wrong angle.The clearest example of this at 0:33. In boxing terms, he's slipping, not blocking (i.e. resisting the throw like most modern fighters).
I can't really talk on Mifune, but its ironic that so many people should preach tradition and adherence/non-alteration in Judo, when Master Kano himself altered the long-standing art of Ju-Jutsu. I agree we should still practice the original forms, but every move should have variations and alternate applications. There are many brilliant minds in Judo and other martial arts that shouldn't be constrained, in my opinion.
Sorry, I believe you are wrong - it is uke-otoshi in my opinion. The main difference is, that in sumi-otoshi tori would stand and not knee down. On the other side - tori moves forward, which is more like sumi-otoshi.... So I may be wrong.... I am verry surprised that no one knew this throw, i had to learn it (uke-otoshi) for my blue belt a long time ago ...
@bunkafashioncollege I Think it would be more of an insult & disrespect to the skill of Master Mifune if the students did NOT try to throw him as this realism is the goal in Judo when practicing Randori. Of course, i wasn't there but it seems to me that they are really trying to toss him but he is skillfully countering....My experience...17 years in Kodokan Judo.
Bonjour, C'est fluide et agréable mais il me semble évident que Uke se laisse un peu trop facilement chuter... Ca n'enlève rien à la qualité de la prestation dans l'esprit randori le plus noble
i sent a training video to the UFC of me punching rocks into pebbles.. got a reply saying "im too dangerous" for the sport.. oh well their loss! back to wrestling grizzly bears for a while i guess.
Phantastic video. Mifune is truly a Judo legend. That is what Judo is supposed to be, and not the Olympic jacket wrestling that they call "judo" today.
@124aac I agree. How many students are really going to try to throw the top master of a martial art. that would be too disrespectful and get you thrown out of the organization in Japan. No loyal student is gonna do that and no disloyal students would be invited to such a filming.
@GJJFan true. whether it was on purpose or not, his contributions to judo are more valuable than most would ever hope to accomplish. i just thought it was rather funny seeing a possible mistake... and i too share your dream. wish i trained under him.... even if it was just one waza.
@theguyi26 I think you've misunderstood something. This is a demonstration, not a competition. There's no benefit to resisting and risking a sloppy and potentially dangerous fall. I will concede that their ashi waza isn't very aggressive, but at a point it becomes a kick (against old bones). Concerning speed, this is about normal for judo. Speed isn't exactly paramount. If you want a modern example look at Yasuhiro Yamashita. He wasn't fast, but he was still very successful.
Bollards. Thats all Ive got to say to that. Only when they put you 6 feet in the ground are you too late to start training. He's probably worried you will come down to his dojo and find out all the stories he's been telling you are bs
@AvatarRoku Considering he was a 10th Dan, original student of Judo, and considered the best technically, I would say he did it more on purpose, to see how the student would react. Who knows? But even his mistakes, were better than most people's "on purpose" EVER was! LOL :-) If only to have had the chance to have met him, let alone trained under his guidance! WOW!
@theguyi26 Also, my original comment was to emphasize the difference in technique, nothing more. The fact remains that, regardless of speed or effort on the uke's part, his technique is fundamentally different from most judoka and more in line with the philosophy of judo. I'm not sure where you got this "legendary technique" idea from.
Same instance in Tae Kwon Do, which I also do. ATA is a McDojo style, but because of that, more parents sign their kids up, so some schools in our family cut out the more difficult forms and requirements in the non-black belts to compete. That was especially sad, because they almost had to compromise to survive.
@CuriousPredicament Yep, i agree, had a similar lesson taught to me where swingin yourself onto the side of the hips will prevent the thrower from getting leverage. It's basically what he's doing here...a quick shift from the back to the side of the hip, and the throw is out of whack.
I don't know enough about judo to know who is "Better" but just because some one invented something doesn't make them necessarily the best at it. If you are a great teacher it is possible to teach someone with more physical skill than you to be "Better" than you.
I've never heard that, I have heard only that Mifune was second to Kano. He was "like fighting an empty jacket." Who claims Mifune to be better at Judo than it's founder? You have a source for me to see this somewhere? I'd be interested to read an informed argument.
Awesome! I recently had the pleasure of training with a high ranking aikidoka at least in his 70's. I'm in my early 30's, yet he could throw and pin me with ease. I did think it was perhaps because of how I attacked him, but with every way I tried, he pinned me with ease... Real Budo is like in the above video. nowadays it is "wresting with jackets" or punching each other until one guy (gay?) passes out :)
I Have a question. I want to start learning the art of Judo. i'm 18 years old. But some guy who i'm working with trained Judo since he was 9 years old, and he told me that is to late for me to start. I'm worried about it. Thnaks!
I don´t see the problem in that. Why should somebody not become better than the founder? Same applies for other martial arts, or any arts for that matter. That does not imply and disrespect for the founder at all.
If only I could start out like this, I might consider training in Judo ... but I have the feeling that you only get that good by paying your dues, and at my age I don't have joints that will tolerate that :-(
