L41: Arado's WW2 Experimental MP40 Silencer 

Standard issue gear along with a red dot and drum mags

I remember the mp40 suppressor in world at war....thought it was just a video game thing and not a real thing till I watched Ian years later

Doesn't really matter if the game doesn't try to sell itself as authentic.

Oversaturated. Probably won't happen.

@@almightyyoketherein lies the problem. WWII games almost always claim to be authentic, and very rarely explain when they stray away from that. Meanwhile players tend to assume everything is legit.

Было бы интересно.😉

Or not, as the case might be......

Schneider-Opel & Arado suppressed MP 40s side-by-side at a two-gun competition is the only logical way to test them.

Makes complete sense to me. They where probably far too busy over-engineering something even less important.

@@justinsemple7454 What could possibly be less important than if the sight base was perfectly square to the bore of the rifle? /s

I mean, if it was a redundant project that never went anywhere then any engineering is overengineering

@@bengrogan9710 the sarcasm is obviously to all

@@Panzermech Sarcasm always brings out the brightest ones

May be a false interpretation from the picture of Kommandoverband Jaguar. German FAK troops in russian uniform, in russian tanks. They had an armored and motorized company doing Pz.Brigade 150-style sabotage missions in Hungary around Stuhlweißenburg in late 1944. There they had a handful of suppressed MP40s (long suppressor). The Marine-Einsatz-Kommando also had suppressed MP40s, as did Brandenburgers seemingly "often enough". This last bit though i don't have a source right at hand but is from a confirmed zbv800 veteran that posted on a forum in the beginning of the 2000s. He didnt put much note of them, apart that they were "made in austria" (Steyr-Mannlicher), though this only relates to the SMG and not the suppressor itself. They had them in inventory even during a time as mundane as frontline fillers in some ukrainian swamp. Would provide the interview source if i found it for myself

@@k3psu48 yep think that first one matches up with what i heard. Thats cool that its real!

I wouldn't put much belief in soviet/russian reports 😄

@@zXPeterz14 Before WW2 they executed something like 100 000 of own citizens for working for Polish, Japanese or American inteligence... so if you want to find a Soviet report about something crazy there is no doubt that you will be able to find it.

@@k3psu48 Thanks for this information my man!

Sounds like you suck at your job😂

…you’re WHERE? 😳

🤣@@borismuller86

@@borismuller86turns out it’s a municipality. Not just a Hitler mansion.

Prost!

IIRC there's a suppressor for the mosin nagant that does the same thing. The bramit, which is mentioned in the video.

Probably had something to do with the guy(s) right at the top being addicted to shiny special-use equipment. Look at the variety of variants of individual aircraft types that got mandated, even at a time when producing *one* version in moderate numbers was absolutely essential - and jusr barely possible. But, no! We need the Me 262 in a fighter version. And a night fighter version. And a fast bomber version. And - OF COURSE - a "Zerstörer" version for use against tanks, with a 50mm cannon in the nose. Or the Do 217 bomber, which had a requirement to be a dive bomber appended, because Der Führer insisted on it, which added extra weight to reinforce the airframe and more weight for folding dive brakes in the tail...only to find that steep diving attacks with large aircraft were largely ineffective (not to mention extremely hazardous even without AA fire to worry about), and the dive brakes actually made the aircraft unstable and overstressed the airframe. Most Do 217s had the airbrakes removed and plated over, but there wasn't anything anyone could do about the additional structural weight, so the plane was not a particularly good performer, and the bombers it was intended to replace kept flying until the end of the war.

​ @christopherreed4723 fyi the 50mm Me262 was for hunting bombers. The idea was to engage from out of range of the .50s and even the escort fighters. Same reason as the Me410 with the 50mm, and also why they experimented with mounting an 88mm on a Ju-88. The "Cannon Vogel" Ju87 and Hs129 with anti-tank guns were a very similar mechanical concept used for a very different purpose.

To be fair, Arado found a lot of their industrial capacity sidelined after bombing raids wrecked production pipelines; their machine shops certainly would have had capacity to turn out a few dozen suppressors.

Un-muffled aircraft . I would suggest that they probably knew very little about making anything "quiet". That seaplane was a good one though.

And ? Ford built heavy bombers for the USAAC while at the same time they built trucks for the Wehrmacht and the British Army. Sweet, sweet money, no matter the source ... Besides, how big was the "market" for an MP40 silencer ? This is not for widespread frontline use, especially if it involves precious (and I mean PRECIOUS !!!) rubber. That's the X-mas party for the management but not a major contract. Edit: Since Arado had no major production run of their own aircraft, they mostly produced Fw-190s. It's a question of production capacity. How and why an aircraft manufacturer comes to design an MP silencer is beyond my understanding as well, but this might be a rare case where no "big money" was involved.

@@ottovonbismarck2443 Fairchild set up ArmaLite and national socialist Germany was a totalitarian socialist state where high ranking NSDAP members controlled the factories and businesses. Ultimately competing against each other in order to win Hitler’s favor and also because if some government bureaucrat wanted something they really weren’t in a position to just say no since said bureaucrat most likely controlled them. There’s also that during WWII every factory and corporation did and produced as much as they could whatever it may be for the war effort.

Reichsmarks did have anything to do with it, it was a totalitarian government and they had no autonomy as a corporation they were completely controlled by the government.

COD already has it.

I'll fire up the time machine.

You'd need an absurdly robust mounting system for that, otherwise you'd just spring back out of center once the alignment pin is removed.

he did... didn't ya hear it?

@@the_lost_navigator I didn't, no.

Sweet summer child

​@@narrowpath9491😅 maybe they'll just bring it back

Ummm actually chud, showing the swatzika is scientifically and peer reviewed proven that it leads to more bigotry and hate to our trans BIPOC3S(@)+ community. So you just have to deal with it 😌

I was always wonder how many of our history is lost because of censorship like this. I guess the victors write the history

If a gun fires in the woods, and no one is left alive, does it make a sound?

@@moosemaimer the trees will judge you

​@@moosemaimerSuperior "The universe exists because we witness it " theory gang

@@moosemaimerthere are plenty of bodies in the woods that would say it did make a sound. But in a court of law we call such unsubstantiated claims “lies”

Like an atomic weapon? You would need two tax stamps if you wanted to suppress it because nuclear bombs are destructive devices.

google "Kommandoverband Jaguar"

iirc theres even some mg42 experiments

Anyone who played Wolfenstein.

You can't really lay them off for the duration. You might as well get some use from them. Monkeys with typewriters etc. 😁

Yes.

I had the same thought

The gas tends to also have a bit of twist to it

Ur daddy

im tryna clap some android cheeks buddy quit scaring them away

not necessarily, the asymmetric steel support on the rubber would still affect the way the rubber would form and give more resistance to the other side

hence they were interested in steel baffles too. they also tried synthetic rubber with the kar suppressors, probably these too@GordonDoesntNeedtoHearAllThis

The Kar 98 one also begs this question.

I’m sure there was an explanation, such as bombing or lack of certain resources.

metalworkers are metalworkers

It is all about hot gases. A 'large" expansion chamber allows the muzzle gases to expand, thus losing heat. As anyone who has used any muffler will tell you, a LOT of the heat enters the metal of the outer "jacket". The whole "theory of operation" is to slow down the rate of release of "hot gases" to the atmosphere, thus reducing the "muzzle blast".. Metal baffles add "turbulence" / mixing which further sheds heat and has some effect on gas temperature. This is why a lot of modern (post about 1980) mufflers are of "co-axial" designthre inner "tube carries the baffle stacks ant the outer tube, via internal venting, is the expansion chamber. I have seen quite compact units of this styleom 5.56 and 7,62 rifles. Muzzle blast is significantly reduced. With standard "Ball" ammo, the most noticeably sound id the weird "swooshing" sound from down-range, as the multiplier reflections of the supersonic "crack" reflecting off the trees down-range. Have a look at "wet" silencers; literally "liquid-cooled". These use fine-mesh metal washer stacks instead of "solid" baffles. Just having the relatively large surface area of the mesh stacks is a a good start, but if these are then "loaded" with water, they briefly become much more effective because of the water's added added absorption of the heat from the combustion gases. These "cans" are NOT designed for sustained fire. They are as a rule, MUCH more valuable for single shots You do not need full auto to "neutralize" sentries and guard-dogs. With a "manually-locked" breech, the loudest sound around will be the "pop" of bullet impact.

The Germans were going over to hand cranked turrets becasue they didnt have enough copper wire to make auxiliary motors and steel road wheels because they couldnt get enough rubber for tank treads. Steel wire in the phone cables, steel casings for the bullets, about the only thing the Germans had left in abundance was steel and coal. There was a standing joke that you could put in an order for a new truck from the government, if and when you got it you kept the tires and threw away the truck. Truck chassis sitting up on bricks were everywhere, tires were rare. Even in 1941/42 the Germans were so short of decent rubber the only way they could keep the Wehrmacht moving during Barbarossa was stocks of looted French and British tires tanken in 1940. Free rubber that wasnt dedicated to some priority militar project was about as rare as yeti cavalry.

At the time it was considered a better option than solid baffles.

@@christopherreed4723 but from my limited understanding at how rubber baffles work you have to be trained to fire that gun in "semi auto" as possible to not just wear out the rubber after a quick burst, or am i underestimating the longevity of those baffles?

@@Axonteer Not sure. The MP40 had a pretty slow rate of fire, but no actual semi-auto setting afaik. I'd guess that baffle life was severely reduced if one fired anything more than short bursts through it. The choice to go with an standard, unmodified MP40 limits the effectiveness significantly. While labeled a "suppressor", I'd personally be inclined to suspect that the actual decibel reduction, even with intact wipes, fell far below what we'd consider one today. More of a blast attenuator.

I'm deeply deeply disturbed by how simple it is

It's in a private collection.

I consider the two terms interchangeable.

No point. The Stens had holes drilled in the barrels rendering them subsonic even with regular ammo.

Unconventional warfare, sabotage, anti-sabotage and anti-partisan are some examples of where silenced SMGs would be userful

Suppressors also hide flash and sound signatures. Letting you not have to move as much or keep you hidden longer

You wouldn't see a "large scale" adoption like what we're seeing with the USMC today, but there were definitely applications for suppressors in special operations even in the 1940s. If suppressors had become prolific during WW2, I think you could have seen them being used by paratroopers for many of the same reasons you would see them being used by commandos.

Grow up

yes. Frontaufklärungskommando and Marine-Einsatz-Kommando