Agreed. Sick of chrome constantly changing and forcing things down our throats. Firefox is alright but it just doesn't function as well as Chrome. Hoping ladybird can be the one in the middle that has the best of both worlds
@@Ownage4lif31 firefox not functioning as well as chrome mostly comes down to web devs optimizing for the browser with the most market share: chrome and chrome-based how many websites i've came across that just didn't work at all on firefox, or sometimes even safari. ever since we moved away from IE, web devs have become lazy.
It has been a while since you've made any Serenity specific content , but I'd like to thank you for all the content you've produced up until now. The coding sessions were a nice way to spend my time amidst the lockdowns during the pandemic. I've definitely learned a lot! I wish you, and all the others that are helping, good luck on Ladybird, I'd be glad to use it daily in the future 😀
It’s amazing that you have managed to build Serinity from scratch, but if you are ever going to get Ladybird production ready then reusing existing high quality FLOSS components make a lot of sense.
Since you're opening up the gates to use 3rd party libraries I'm guessing LibJS and LibWeb won't be affected? That would defeat the whole purpose of a new browser engine, no?
I’ve been following ladybird since the beginning. I’m a little disappointed to hear you’re no longer leading serenityOS and that ladybird is no longer entirely home grown but You’ve done so much and achieved what many people would say is impossible. I look forward to one day daily driving ladybird! Best of luck!
They still have a rule about all implementations of web standards being home grown. Own html/css/js and browser api implementations. Just now they can use sqlite for db and use common implications for media codecs and such.
What is really wrong about using high quality FLOSS libraries if they suit your needs? A browser is a massive project and Andreas will save decades of work by “sacrificing” not rewriting all that code! I really looking forward to having another FLOSS browser engine available.
I second this question. I hope someone will be continuing the os updates! Each is an exciting project in its own right, and i'm glad they both have room to grow!
I think not with Serenity's policy of no 3rd party code. He also mentioned in his announcement on the website that Serenity is no longer a target of Laydybird, inline MacOS and Linux.
Well, this news is sad, not gonna lie. However, I'm not going to say it's a bad thing. It just makes the Ladybird project less 'cool' and more serious, I guess. It's definitely worth it for the benefits, and I hope native Windows builds are now closer to becoming a reality 😅
Great job, as usual! I should really check if my blog renders. I made my theme from scratch using all the weird new APIs, with a lot of trial and errors and probably without best practices :D
Possibly the most correct step there could be that will help the Ladybird project grow immensely into something mature and possibly mainstream. In my eyes, however, both of the projects basically are falling apart, as they were some really neat cohesive things to display that everything is possible to do manually, as well as being enjoyable to see what direction the contributors and Andreas in particular could bring the two. In particular, I thought of Ladybird as a non-major piece that completes SerenityOS as an impressive whole system, rather than a separate thing that tries to be the best competitive alternative to the numerous other browsers (including non-Chromium ones). Not to mention, now Serenity will be struggling to keep up if they are to keep the all-inhouse policy as well. I as a viewer will probably keep less attention to both projects now, even less than since Andreas has toned down the amount of videos. Thank you Andreas for the cool time I spent watching devlogs and participating in office hours chat.
While you've relaxed your stance on third-party code, do you think you could make a rule to stick to only permissively-licensed code, for those of us who like everything to be statically-linked? It would be very helpful in that regard.
What's the plan for SerenityOS's browser? Has the team decided to just maintain the old/original Ladybird, or is something else in the works? Awesome stuff btw
Now that external libraries are allowed I am wondering where you are going to draw the line. Is there a core that will always be from scratch? If so what will that contain? HTML, CSS, JS, WASM?
The line is a bit fuzzy, but the core web browser engine will always be ours. The point here is to lean on the OSS ecosystem for things that aren't core competencies of a browser engine :)
I just hope LadyBird doesn't have a Microsoft Edge or Opera moment where it gives up and decides to be a chrome fork. Hopefully the SerenityOS version of the browser maintains the no-third party library rule and someone can maintain a fork of that for Linux and Windows.
Using third-party libraries makes sense if your goal is to get people to use what you make. SerenityOS is a hobby project where one of the goals was specifically to make everything from scratch - LadyBird has turned into something that could become a proper browser at some point and as he explained about maintainability in the beginning, not using third-party libraries where it makes sense would be a nightmare.
I get it and support the decision although I thought sharing two big projects under one house was meant to be a net benefit for both, it certainly was improving the native libraries that both shared? Also the idea of no 3rd party libraries seemed like an area where Ladybird browser would smooth out those restrictions for Serenity in the whole. Ladybird browser could have been the backdoor to allow "some" 3rd party libraries into SerenityOS while still maintaining that overall mantra of no 3rd party libraries with the exception of helping the browser project. Again I support the decision and hope Ladybird browser gains new energy and maybe one day returns to Serenity support as a 3rd party downloaded browser installed on the OS like most browsers are.
SerenityOS lives! I haven't actually worked on it for over 2 years, but hundreds of other people have. My stepping down as BDFL just makes it official that I'm no longer working on it. :)
@@kreuner11 It's a huge symbolic change and general interest in Serenity unfortunately has dropped significantly. Ladybird has much more potential to be useful to a wider audience but as a nerd I still love SerenityOS more.
@@kreuner11projects like this without support from the creator die very quickly. "The community" is not gonna exist for long if the whole reason why this community came to be in the first place is no longer there. Right now it's hard to prove since it just happened but come back 2-3 months later and compare the numbers, I'm certain you will notice the fall of.
So waht? Serenity is now without a browser since it doesn't allow third party code? Kidna sad you basically killed killed it and instead decided to import a banch of 3rd part (including Google LOL) stuff.
Well there's a difference between being a company that focuses on many things than just one. Microsoft doesn't care about it as much and if ladybird does right then it'll easy be one of the better browsers to use. What you've said is kind of silly. Steve jobs created IOS and that was with just a few people. Just because you have money doesn't mean you have talent. It's all about the leader. Another great example of this would be Intel Vs amd.
why does the new website have an AI-generated laptop? when i think about the worst parts of the modern web, i think of AI. so... by you doing that, that's causing some serious trust issues for you to not fall for the same pitholes as google and mozilla.