Lag is RUINING your Swing by DESTROYING your Shaft Lean 😱 

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You two are in the process of undoing about 40 years of swing rabbit holes and I can't thank you enough. Combining your general downswing proper shift concepts with a proper amount of shaft lean for my 59 year old swing speed has allowed me to hit the ball way more solidly with the driver and irons. Thanks again++++

For me the most important Golf instruction video in the Internet. Thank you so much! The lowering of the arms combined with letting go of the "lag" gives me max speed and consistency. I was very inconsistent with my driver and thin with my irons because I was sometimes too fast turning in the DS and because of this I either dragged my driver wide open thru the ball or pulled it right away or with my irons my chest was too open at impact and I wasn't able to reach for the ball. When I understood the (timing/speed) of the turn of the shoulders/chest in relation of the lowering of the arms, straightening of the right arm and getting rid of the LAG as shown in the video, I only had to find the right tempo between the lowering of my arms (as fast as I can) and my upper body rotation. Now my DS is in SYNC and I can swing as fast as I can and I really bomb the driver without holding anything back. And I am 59! Almost everybody, here on the range, suffers from going over the top because of trying to hit the ball with the turn of the body while leaving the arms on top. And I see so many amateurs trying to hold onto all the angles (bend of the right arm and the LAG in the wrist in the DS) which leads to all kind of miss hits and head scratching. There is one famous Ben Hogan video out there where he shows how he starts the DS with hips while holding the angles in wrist and right arm and all I can say to the one's who try this is: GOOD LUCK. You will need it.

That three finger drill is brilliant guys. I just practiced it a bunch and filmed it in slo-mo, and sure enough..perfect lag and shaft lean without trying to create or manufacture anything. I expanded the drill a bit by doing it with three fingers, then adding a fourth finger from each hand and trying to recreate the same feel, then fifth finger etc. Then I filmed that and analyzed it, seeing if I reach the same positions with each added finger. What a great drill! It's a shame so many golf pros lead students down a bad rabbit-hole of hold this and pre-set that. Good lag and shaft lean is the natural consequence of a good fundamental swing.

This video is the best I've ever seen regarding lag. Not really surprised anymore because you're the only instructors that seem to capture my attention from beginning to end. I think the key is how you key off one another when clarifying a particular point in the video.

I love how the two of you take "apart" what the eye's appear to " see" vs the cause. Great job.

Very informative and to my knowledge generally unknown and/or misinterpreted. Also by well known well established websites which either favor the one wrist action or the other; hardly any of them show that both directions of the wrist are fundamental to the very phase of the swing they are in. Well done and thank you and keep up the good work. Looking forward! Piet Leguit, the Netherlands

Outstanding video and very clear explanation of a concept that is very misunderstood. I have been struggling to get shaft lean for years and some of it is due to trying to hold lag angle. Thank you!

Can't overstate how great this video is. Now that I have a better understanding how the trail wrist works, I'm confidently releasing the lag and generating better contact and more power. I think I'll finally be able to break 110mph club head speed with my driver now. Thanks!

Good work guys. Love debunking those myths. Well done. Nice format too.

This may be the best video on the subject. You’ve done some before but this is more distilled and highlights the key evidence without requiring the attention span of a lesson. I like watching those longer videos bc they’re such great experience builders but this watches like a succinct master’s thesis. Would love to learn more how this combines with loading and unloading the shaft because the way you presented this is so much clearer and a lot of shaft loading talk is clouded in special terms and elusive feelings.

Gentlemen, I have really been watching and studying your videos intently over the past few months. I have worked on re centering with great success. I also have been working on my ability to get into the right position going into the delivery position, that holy grail of positions you guys talk about with getting the hands in front of that right thigh in the delivery position. That has been more difficult for me to achieve. I know a lot of things go into getting into that position. I, like many amateurs, often have the look of coming into impact and my hands are about the center of my body. It’s better then I have been in the past when I would have my hands even with my right thigh at impact. I would love to see you guys make a video talking about that holy grail and what we need to achieve in order to get there. Anyways, I am having a blast re learning the correct golf swing by watching your videos and I am also on the AMG Academy site. I am hoping for Christmas to maybe treat myself to AMG+ so I can show you my swing and after you have a laugh you can point me in the right direction. 😂 Keep up the good work! Peace.

You guys are sooo incredibly talented at instruction it blows me away. Really, you are amazing. I love your videos. I just wish this video wasn't 10+ minutes of how much amateurs do it wrong and 30 brief seconds of how to do it right with one swing of a great drill.

Excellent video and very informative. It was very clear and detailed. A+++ Thank you!

I am totally sold on letting lag out in that "point 08" seconds. In fact, I used to experiment a lot, and noticed I had a bunch of success when I "let myself cast". But in fact, I wasn't casting, I was releasing properly... I just felt guilty (said tongue in cheek) because I had it SO DRILLED into me that "casting" was bad. ANYWAY.... I struggle w pulled wedges, and pulled irons in general. In your video on pulled irons, Sean stresses getting rear (r for me) shoulder low. I don't disagree. But at the range, I have MORE SUCCESS fixing pulls by focusing on releasing lag in that "point 08 seconds" part of swing. I have LESS CONSISTENT SUCCESS fixing pulls with consciously trying to get r shoulder tucked and turned and low. HMMMM.... I'm thinking that by releasing lag correctly, my body, specifically left shoulder, reacts in the fraction of a second and pulls up .. leading to r shoulder going down. My left shoulder pulls up (not conciously), because if it didn't, with my correct lag release, my club would smack ground 8 or so inches behind ball. If any of this meshes with golf brains a lot bigger than mine (like AMG golf), is there something in here that might inform another comment or video from you guys on iron pulls? Thx for taking time to read. You guys are terrific, and have helped my game so much. R

Great content as always - gotta try that drill! I have a request for a video: please explain what a "flat left wrist" is. When I grip a club, the back of my left hand becomes convex. When my pinkie bone is aligned with my wrist bones (from a down-the-line view), this looks to me like a "flat left wrist." If I freeze that position and look at it from face on, there is a signifiant angle ("cupping") between my index finger bone and wrist bones - the same exact position looks completely different depending on the angle! If my index finger bone is aligned with my wrist from face on, it looks like I'm pretty "bowed" from a down-the-line view. Everybody throws this term around but you guys are all about accuracy and a 3D look at this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Gentlemen, my mind is again blown. I had a light bulb moment when you mentioned that trying to hold lag can actually cause the club to tip out. As my swing improves I was still noticing on video that my club was tipping out, but not coming classically “over the top”. I could not figure out what was going on. However, with my desire to get lag and doing it by trying to hold the angle I think that was what was causing the club to tip out. I will definitely work this drill and continue to lament the fact that I used to read golf magazines relentlessly and all different kinds of instructional books about golf. More then half the stuff I read only served to lock my swing up and helped cause the problems that I am currently trying to get out of my swing. Again, thanks for clearing up swing misconceptions that are floating around out there.

Great stuff as always. Can you break down the hand path from the hair pin turn (transition )then holding lag, then to impact. When does lag start to get released? Thanks guys nobody does a better job.

Eureka!!! I am normal able to create both lag and shaft lean, but by control, control and control creating tension, taking off a lot of power and speed. This explanation of the release of the wrist angles and the three finger drill gives such a clear picture of how to have the lag and lean with no effort at all. This video is saved in the folder "Gold nuggets"

Loved this video! Exactly what I've been trying to work on. And the way you guys explained it really turned on some light bulbs for me! Thanks!

Awesome video! Is this the same for the driver? Do you just move the ball forward in your stance but create the same type of lag?

Great video. Too many people these days preach out holding the lag which requires an excessive lateral bend that will generically lead to injuries.

Thank you. Very Helpful

Thanks for the new video. You guys make the best content out there!

I like the new format with the graphics / writing. Appreciate the video as always, made huge improvements in six months because of yourselves.

Very well presented.

Excellent video. Lag is produced correctly by just letting the golf club swing! Please make a video about how the upper left arm returns or approaches with power the left rib cage region, similar to the right upper arm.

This FINALLY clicked for me in my practice today. I felt like I was losing trail arm bend and lag angle IMMEDIATELY in the downswing. Almost throwing or "casting". I've never felt such an easy, high launching iron shot. Definitely an "ah-ha" moment.

I might be off but I started getting better with this by loosening my grip on the way back, feeling the club head and allowing it to take my wrists with it. In transition after the club naturally sets give a slight split second squeeze and feel the shot loose with pressure really coming out of my trail hand trigger finger. It’s a swing thought of mine I call it loose squeeze loose. Kind of got my rhythm down wit it also

Mike...." shaft lean comes from this ( left hand extensionl) vs that (left hand radial flexion). I have noticed the swing you teach promotes a flat left wrist at the top. Since I have been practicing this, a guy told me in a tournament what great lag I was producing. Also, I used to try to really set the club wide on the backswing only to collapse in at the top. No more! I am also trying to "throw" the club head from the top to dump the angle on down swing as my recenter and hip turn are faster... no more weak fades! Thanks coaches!

Excellent explanation and important concept to understand! P.S. like the presentation style with Colour’s and voice over!

Nice graphics! Been missing you guys from long video instruction. This video was just what I needed. I’ve been chasing positions lately, and chasing positions is a death Knell in the swing. I’ve been holding angles in an attempt to maintain club face stability through the hitting zone. However, by holding angles, I’ve had this terrible feeling of getting stuck. My wrists have felt handcuffed on the downswing, like they were in a vice. I needed to be reminded not to hold angles, but to release them, and not to chase positions, because good positions are the result of a dynamic golf swing. Thanks, guys. Glad you’re back! 👊👊

What an amazing video. Thank you for sharing guys

... not to mention lowering and extending the R elbow earlier with the shift and turn to actually get the ball on target with square contact. Thank you again

Another Brilliant video from Shaun and Mike. Can I ask, when an Amateur comes to you, how much difference can you make to them in just an hour, because I've seen some of your videos in particular the 'Clearing the Hips - Pro's vs Ams' and the difference was remarkable. Thanks Guys.

OR just try and cast the club (it’s impossible) from the top of the backswing. It really helps you to feel connected with tons of leverage through proper extension.

Hi Guys, as always a great and informative video. Could you just clarify an issue on wrist angle and the meaning of ‘flat’. If I hold out my lead arm, my wrist becomes naturally slightly cupped/extended. It only becomes flat if I bow/flex it so that the knuckles are in line with my forearm. My question is when you refer to a ‘flat’ wrist do you mean it’s natural position as when the arm is extended I.e. slightly cupped or is it when the wrist is physically bowed so that the knuckles are in line with the forearm. Thanks

Great! Great! I’ve been muscling the down swing for years, and years in an attempt to get speed and distance. So many wasted hours! I just wish changing to a more relaxed feeling drop of the club was easier to pick up.

Everytime I rewatch your videos I learn something new. This is top quality content 👍

This is a superb explanation. Would you say the club head gets there from having not had any forces on it our hands, or is there a little bit of hand action to help get it the lag out?

Great video again. Thank you. My issue when I try to release the lag is I often hit behind the ball - is that possibly a re-centering issue? How do I do this and hit ball first? Thanks.

Great video as always. This explains why you can see a guy like Stricker who doesn’t appear to have much lag, but great shaft lean and impact alignments.

This was gold! Thank you. New sub.

You guys are SO solid. Thank you keep going for us

Great video and illustrations 👍👍

“Let me show you”, but with a clear explanation. Best way to teach, or at least for me to learn. Well done, gentlemen.

Been waiting for this one. Helps to reinforce how current golf instruction is wrongly too focussed on holding onto lag. I’m glad to see it debunked so clearly. Definitely one of the best videos you’ve done. I really don’t understand why you aren’t the most subscribed golf instruction channel out there.

Incredible work guys!

Outstanding content ⛳️

I'd like a video on club face control. Do you recommend bowing the left wrist and not rotating the forearms for consistent face control? or said another way, do you recommend working toward keeping the clubface outside the hands from DOL view, i.e. pointing clubface more toward the sky for longer through impact? at least for a over hooker of the ball.

What an awesome video. Does a great of explaining concepts and busting myths. Can’t watch this channel enough if you want to really improve.

I normally don't comment on videos. But this was really well done. Great explanation. Thanks

Thank you. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😊

This is superb content. Would this concept of "letting the angle out" apply to pitch shots, and even short chip shots? I'm guilty of the old cliche of pulling the handle on those shots, leading to "inconsistency" (that's putting it mildly)!!

There was one experiment showed that, physically and biometically, wrist joint (mostly ulnar bone) is the one which controls the range of lag angle, without any musle force (free fall), only arm ratation, the joint does timing and square the club face properly every single time. So in the other words, passive wrist motion with proper grip is the most easy way to control lag and square the club face. Then the club lean angle is controlled by leading shoulder position which acts like anchor point (body rotation and vertical movment), and the grip of cause (stronger grip, less release motion required). Nowadays, most pros keep passive wrist motion, at least during the downswing.

Is doing the pump drill bad to do? Seems it releases and extends the arm/elbow, but does it also purposely hold the lag, or is this still a useful drill?

So thats why I hit the ball a little low, too much shaft lean at impact for my swing speed (which isnt more than 83-85 these days with 7i). You guys are the best! Ive watched my swing on video tons of time, and swing plane looks descent and the ball tends to go straight (low hcp). So should I just try to release the club a little earlier from the top then??

Ur channel is the best!! Just would like to see long drivers on grats like Jamie S or Kyle Brikshire to see their movements compared to the Pros. Is this possible??

In the spirit of the season...I've written a poem... well sorta kinda. My thank you to AMG. New words to a great song. I hope it gives a chuckle or two. RJ ======= Sung to "You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch" ======= You are keen ones, AMG Your videos have so helped me I'm so happy I found you at last I'm no longer guilty when I cast Cause I DOOOONTTTTT. I just release lag. Mike's so savvy, with his Gears Busting myths, I've believed, for years Then there's Shaun, of the two more slender Speaks with passion about recenter Then I swiiiing And my pull hook is all gone Lag is not lean, so you say Change your concepts, or you will pay The downswing only takes Oh Eight Vids of Rory are hard to imitate They won't Heeeeelp much Til you see the 3d Thanks guys!!! Simply THE BEST GOLF INSTRUCTION anywhere online. Happy Holidays. RJ

What fingers on what hands do you use to do the drill? You glossed over that so fast and despite numerous reminds it was very unclear. Thanks

Amazing video guys! I've struggled with holding lag thinking it will naturally create shaft lean for years. Recent realized what you just taught, they have nothing to do with one another. Once again, another media myth you've disproven. Thank you so much!

The flat left wrist angle makes so much sense. Should the wrist be flat or slightly "cupped" at address? I have a slight cup/extension and curious if you should lose that slight wrist extension between P1 and P2 as you start to add lag?

Gentlemen, as someone who struggles with casting, I have been looking at training aids. do you guys have any opinion on two training aids, the Precision Impact Trainer and the Snap impact trainer? For what it’s worth I see good reviews on both these products, but I am always skeptical of training aids. Before I drop over a C note on something I would like to see if it has any value. Thanks in advance.

Great video. Thanks

Great video! How many instructors out there are advocating releasing past the ball - so not good.

To unload the degrees of the club, instead of flicking wrists and get a castong feeling, trying to hold the angle, but feeling as if i tuck the LEFT elbow into my body through impact, and making the weight of my body go into the heel of the left foot gives me very good results, does this sound right to you guys?

I'd be interested in your alls thoughts on the Precision Impact training aid because it certainly feels like your holding lag and not releasing the club. However using when Im using it, it's probably the best I have ever struck a golf ball.

Video idea, right side through vs left side ground push down and away. Is it one or the other and can right side through produce equal left leg ground pressure numbers?

Am I right in saying that releasing lag therefore shallows the club? Gives the appearance of the shaft travelling through the right forearm as you let go of the angle

Good video. so is it a bad idea to practice the swoosh drill. Hearing the woosh after impact. As this is trying to release the angle.aftet impact

Fixed my slice, shot a 41 on a 35 9 hole, first year playing, cleaning golf balls, and watching this. Sometimes life can be beautiful.

Das ist so gut,gut bravissimo

Hey Amg, thanks for the clarification on shaft lean and lag! I've been using the tourstriker planemate and they use those interchangeably. This has helped me big time. As an aside, what are your thoughts on using the tourstriker planemate? I've been enjoying it, and would love to hear your quick opinion on it since I respect y'alls opinion. Keep up the great videos. I recommend them to everyone who enjoys detailed golf instruction.

As you discussed there are teachers who encourage a hold the lag and release the lag out beyond the ball

Great video and explanation! Proving once again that AMG produces EVIDENCE-BASED instruction and is the best in the business. So proud to call you both my coaches.

This looks like the head bottoms out at or just pass the ball, great contact. How does this apply to the driver when you are suppose to swing up on the ball?

Would you say the higher end 8* of shaft lean as opposed to the 6* is possibly the club being a shade more open, and an optical illusion in itself like the flattened lag angle? (Not so much as more bowing?) ... And perhaps the faster speed is also closing at a slightly faster rpm as well right?

How does the shaft lean angle translate to dynamic loft on the club face at impact?

Is creating shaft lean predicated in part by the arms position at the top? In other words, if the angle of right arm bend is greater than 90 degrees, won't the rebound affect from the top make forward shaft lean at impact difficult or not possible?

Is that flute drill also a connection to grip pressure not manipulating the club by holding angles?

Very Sergio-like lag and inside the line downswing on that yellow pro...

This is an excellent video and coming at a poignant time for me: just spent 4 hours practicing holding lag! Question: how come when I don’t hold lag, as in allow it to be let out naturally, I still don’t get a tour looking swing? Holding lag and not holding it both look the same. The difference is that not holding it feels better and produces better results. Thanks

Ok I like this video. What does a person with a strong grip/ cupped at the top do on the downswing? Everything on RU-vid says bow on the downswing. Is that what you’re supposed to do?

I don’t try and hold lag but I must do it because as soo as I thought of casting the club more I hit far better shots.

Brilliant as usual

I didn’t see any long drive swings review videos you have done. Are there any videos you have done?

making contact when hands are at the front thigh is key to golf in my mind. spent many years making contact with hands between legs with no shaft lean and played ok.

This may seem far fetched but I also believe some Day in the near future technology will create a teaching aid with a gizmo similar to the Segway I think it uses gimbals or gyros to keep it upright (similar to a flight instrument called attitude indicator) once the gimbal or gyro spins up its rotational forces keep it upright and stable, if they could put one of those in a golf shaft and tune it to stay on a “incline plane” it could be revolutionary for golf teaching …. Am I completely insane? 🤯

This is Gold.

educating the masses as usual ⛳

is it possible to hold the angle in the trail wrist while downcocking with lead wrist?

That shaft lag at impact comes naturally from maximum arms extension way AFTER impact

how about holding the trail wrist back?

Off topic but …I would love to see your take on Tom saguto method

So any attempt to physically force lag to get shaft lean is a fruitless endeavor and lag and shaft lean is a result of a dynamic swing?

How come pros have some angle while the wrists are by their right leg on the downswing while most amateurs have released the angle and have their hands farther from their right leg. Is there a drill to get your hands in a better delivery position while not casting?

At the intro on shaft angle, where the proper angle is stated as 135 degrees, the angle with the club straight out so it makes a straight line was nominated as zero degrees - not so, this is 180 degrees.

You guys unlocked part of my brain that I didn't know was there lol

Great

“most lag in the game” sounds like Sergio 🤔