Land Rover LR3 / Off-Road Capability Test / Poison Spider Mesa 4x4 Trail Moab / MILITARY MOBILITY 

Thank you for the compliment sir. We aim to inspire adventure, letting everyone know it’s within reach, and bring a sense of community. Couldn’t agree more, may well be one of the most underrated vehicles out there. So cool that you have the HD package! If we ever end up getting another one; it will have it for sure. Thanks again and see you on the trail!

Great info here! Thank you for sharing with us snd the greater audience. We’ve been eying the SYA kit and it’s always encouraging to receive positive endorsements like this. Also cool to see your taking the LR4 on the trail!

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@Ruben Camdyn flixportal :)

@Maxton Jake Thanks, I signed up and it seems to work :D I really appreciate it!!

@Ruben Camdyn Happy to help :)

Congratulations!! We think you’ll love it! Let us know when you’re out there; we’re there quite a bit, we love wheeling with new friends 👍🇺🇸

Nice, what a score with the rear locker! We’ve debated putting in the ARB aftermarket but we’ve been doing well without... for more. Sure we’re going to need it at some point and it would help negotiate some obstacles much easier. And you’re exactly right on the payload and space, it’s a beast!

Thank you Khan!🙌

Much appreciated! Look for our Disco 3: Air vs. Coil comparison 8-part series coming soon!

Exactly! We love the heated seats early in the morning. Who says you can’t have the best of both worlds?

Haha!! Thanks Chad, it means everything that the material resonates with folks. Time to step up the trail rating yet again, let’s find the limit!

You’re awesome Frank! 🙌🇺🇸 It means so much to us that you would take the time and write us, take care and hope to see you on the trail.

THANK YOU!!! 🙌🇺🇸

Thank you very much! If interested in an LR3 I think you’ll enjoy the fins and things video and the entire air vs coil series. We have 3x LR3’s and they’re all going strong. Two of them are almost at 200k miles. We love all brands of vehicles but I think the biggest thing you’ll enjoy with the LR3 over the 4Runner is how much room you’ll have and the commanding view. Give one a test drive and let us know what you think!

@@MilitaryMobility thanks for the info! I'll definitely check out the Fins video, I'm familiar with that trail, I ran it in a rented JK Rubicon when I was there mountain biking a few years back. I went to an off-roading event in Vermont a few months back, the organizer is a Rover guy and pretty much sold me on the LR3 as a 4R alternative. My least favorite thing about the 4R is the V6, I miss having an 8cyl. Plus I'd rather build a rig that's not as valuable as the 4R. Sale of the 4R will probably cover the LR AND a DD commuter vehicle, currently the 4R is my DD and adventure vehicle.

Sweet! That’s a nice rig right there. Let us know how it goes!

Agreed! These LR3’s are so much fun.

@@MilitaryMobility I love my TDV6. Own her for 10 years now and about to sell it. Moving stateside. Will change to V8 eventually. Mine has M/T tires with 2.5" lift and while watching I can feel what you did when recording. Great job again.

Thanks Dain! Let us know what year, model, and color you end up getting. Best of luck with the search!👍

Awesome and Happy Holidays!

We agree! 🙌

Agreed! 🙌

Agreed! We have been using the D1-D2’s for years and just picked up a D2 for use in our courses.

You picked a winner! Yes our Air vs Coil series is releasing soon and regardless of your preference it’ll be some fun footage to watch. Excited to hear your opinion on it🙌

I bet! That’s an iconic rig you have! We love knowing how to drive snd the challenge in overcoming obstacles vice just stomping over things with a high dollar trailer queen.

We've been looking for an LR3 with the coveted HD package and wow they hard to find! Congrats on finding yours. We were very impressed by the capability of our center diff locker though, would love to see the rear locker in action on some of these trails, (may make it look too easy for the video though, haha!).

​@@MilitaryMobilityall the center locking diff does is make it regular four-wheel drive like a Jeep. When you lock it your front and rear drive shafts are locked together just like a Jeep going from two-wheel drive to four-wheel drive it's literally just putting you into standard four-wheel drive it's not a special feature

@@ronaldrrootiii6040 ​​⁠We respectfully disagree. By the way the LR3 is a full time 4WD system, so not like a Jeep (although Jeep does now offer one full time 4WD system). We have 5 Jeeps too and I will say this system is nothing like them.

@@brianribera6236 lol there's nothing to agree upon. A center locking differential lock the front and rear drive shafts together to spin at the same rate just like a selectable four-wheel drive going into 4 wheel drive except it does it a different way because totally different type of transfer case but the end result is the same there's nothing to agree or disagree on. When a Jeep goes into four-wheel drive the front or rear drive shafts are locked together at the same rate when a Land Rover locks the center diff lock the front and rear drive shafts are locked together at the same rate. That's what I mean by it's nothing special when you lock CDL you are just putting it into standard four-wheel drive it's not debatable it's just a fact all CDL is is standard four-wheel drive from the already all wheel drive system. I know the system is not the same I have Land Rovers and jeeps they are completely different. Again all I'm saying is when you lock CDL you have created the end results that is the same as putting a Jeep in 4-wheel drive. Front and rear axles are locked at the same rate now whether or not you have individual diff locks is a whole other story but just saying front and rear power distribution becomes 50/50 when you lock CDL and same thing is when you put a Jeep into four low or four High

@@brianribera6236 I already own multiple Land Rovers I know exactly how it all works you're missing the point of what I'm saying and think that I'm trying to tell you that it's like a selectable four-wheel drive and it's not I'm saying the end result of locking the CDL is is identical to the end result of putting a selectable into four-wheel drive that's it and that's true

Agreed, they are such an innovative product. Johnson Rods is a great company and we are thankful they support Military Mobility.

Agreed👍

@@MilitaryMobility Looking forward to seeing the LR3 coiler in action. We are converting ours to coils this spring. :)

@@joelletendre1011 so fixed ride height.. I'm guessing +2" over normal?

@@pwatom22 We have one that is 2". The one I am working on now, we are experimenting with more common spring/strut options. Toyota struts, coil overs or maybe oris. The coil conversion kits are ok, however if one fails in the middle of nowhere, you can't just walk into a parts store or wrecker and get a replacement.

@@pwatom22 I’d say about +2” is an accurate estimate. We may put spacers in to gain about inch as we’d like just a bit more clearance with the break over angle. We have the Atlantic British kit. Coils compared to the air in supremely more reliable. Personally I wouldn’t worry extensively about sourcing Toyota or other parts that fit in anticipation of the strut/ coil breaking. You can always just replace the broken one with whatever is available at the time and limp yourself home accordingly.

Thank you Martin! Greatly appreciated 🙌

Thanks Constantin! We're excited to get more videos out soon. The wheels we have on both LR3's are Terrafirma 18" steel. The tires are Goodyear Duratrac 275/65/R18.

@@MilitaryMobility thanks for the reply! Looking forward to seeing more videos of the LR3. Cheers. Constantin

Thanks for reaching out Richie. We have had a Rhino hitch on our other LR3 for awhile now and love it (except for the cost and some limitations on length of hitch you can use though). We wanted to experiment and see how a budget hitch would perform with the type of wheeling we do. Not a fan of decreasing departure angle however the ability to raise the suspension with the GAP iiD tool has somewhat mitigated this, and it has offered some amount of protection along the center line so we don’t rip the plastic bumper off 😂

@@MilitaryMobility I had just found your channel so I didn't know what you had on the others. Solid video, good use of the terrain. I enjoyed it. I use the rhino, haven't had any issues yet. 2.5 Johnson's, Gap IID as well 2013 LR4 have both lockers.

@@ritch_j you are SET UP 👍. We’d love to get a LR4, score on the HD package. We were fortunate enough to be selected as 1 of 5 finalists for Land Rover’s Defender Service Awards. We’ll find out in Sep if we get donated a brand new Defender 110 for use in our programs 🙌

@@MilitaryMobility Best of Luck! I hope your Awarded it.

Plus with it's quiet cabin you can actually hear the music!

Thanks buddy. It’s a conservative 32.5” Goodyear Duratrec tire on 18” steel rims. It’s been a very successful combo for us for years. We run this on 3 of our LR3’s in our fleet 👍

Steven, we are saddened to hear of your father-in-law’s passing. As for the LR3, I think a few things are at play as for reliability; the disco ii’s troublesome reputation, that’s why LR changed the name from Discovery to LR3. The engines in both our LR3’s are the Jaguar/ Ford 4.4 which are in more cars than you think (do some research) and have been bombproof for us. Next is the air suspension which as you see in the videos can be finicky but with good maintenance and some mechanical know is an incredible system. As many owners don’t understand the air system and don’t work on the rigs themselves this is where high dealer costs set in (hint: it’s not that complicated). Last is the overall cost of parts and mechanical work. You can get away with many ford parts on this but overall parts will be a bit more than Toyota I’d say. In a combined 8 years of owning these 2x LR3’s besides routine fluid changes we’ve done very little repairs to them and put them through a lot. Final point is that I’m usually leary of the first year or two of a production vehicle so 05 being the first year maybe do some research and see if there were any issues. Best of luck!

Thank you sir! 🙌

A lot of great info here! Can’t wait to try out the HDC in neutral, awesome tip. It has been difficult to find specific tech data on the suspension, first time I’ve heard numbers for travel (thanks). We use a lot of Jeeps as well where we love to geek out on our suspension setups. We have one Jeep that has 11” up front and 12” rear and it articulates MUCH better than the LR3, although the LR3 is still one of our favs. Looking forward to diving into that more. Thanks for the encouragement, it’s greatly appreciated!

@@MilitaryMobility yeah, articulation and wheel travel are two different things, for sure and the numbers I cite above are for wheel travel. I have never found RTI numbers for the LR3, so that's the best I've got. The cross-linked valves do a respectable job of creating "twist" by forcing air into the opposite spring when one wheel gets stuffed, but I'm sure it has its limitations. I have a pretty cool pic on a cross-axle section of trail where one rear wheel is stuffed into the wheel well and the other is being forced pretty far down. You'd swear there is a solid axle back there, but of course there isn't. As others have stated in these comments, the HD vehicles are a lot different to drive and that lack of articulation doesn't seem to matter so much. I have an LR3 with the locker and one without. The one with the rear locker almost never engages the Traction Control.

@@MilitaryMobility Just to add, you can control the speed of HDC using the cruise control buttons. Brings the speed right down, particularly in reverse. Neutral is an option but better to be in a gear, even in an auto.

@@larry365 Score on the Pro Tip!

For the majority of the forest service roads we left the vehicle in 4-hi and in normal mode. We’ve also gone through a good portion of the trail like this as well, testing to see what we could get away with. When the obstacle called for it we went to 4-low and would use the appropriate setting; rock crawl, mud and ruts, sand, etc. i usually like controlling all these aspects myself with other vehicles however it’s fun to try to dissect what the traction control system is doing as well.

Thanks Paul, greatly appreciated! The tires are Goodyear Duratrac 275/65/R18 on steel Terrafirma rims. It’s been a great combo for us and we run them on both our LR3’s for compatibility.

@@MilitaryMobility Thank you so much!

So glad you asked! We have an entire series being edited that compares air vs coil in depth like you’ve never seen before!

@@MilitaryMobility Nice! Im excited to watch... Not sure anyone has done that yet. Your videos are great and I love what you guys are doing. Keep going... once your channel gains a little more exposure it will take off. Good luck to you all.

@@MilitaryMobility will be glad to watch the 2 but I m loving my air suspension more

Hi, you should check out our 8 episode series comparing the Air vs Coil suspension on the LR3. We love it, almost 200k miles and still adventuring!

They are a simple yet ingenious piece of kit that “tricks” the computer to think the suspension is lower that it should be; so it gives you a lift to clear bigger tires. This can also be done with the GAP iiD tool (which we also have). The GAP tool is essential for lots of reasons if you own a newer LR

But it also makes the ride rock hard because it is aired up all the way and doesn't really have any more travel

Hi Ron, this seems like a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. The LR3’s don’t have all wheel drive as you mentioned but a full time, dual range four wheel drive system.

Thanks for taking the time to let the world know this. Please keep in mind we are a 501c3 non-profit which provides resiliency training to veterans in need. As such we use every penny for the veterans, and that means using the free music made available to us.

@@MilitaryMobilityI have a 2015 Discovery 4 HSE luxury with 60 k miles on the clock. Love it. FWIW I also love your content, your work for the vets...and your very well thought out replies to the comments. Keep up the great work.

@@dipladonic Thanksgiving has come early! 🦃 Thank you for the kind words! We’re pumped so many people have been enjoying the content. We have lots more and have been working on ways of gaining support to continue putting this out. // You’ve got a great rig that will serve you well for a long time to come, have fun and Happy Holidays!