@@mq1847 It's not, they're probably talking about the bad traffic. The city itself is nice, but traffic is bad unless it's early on a weekend morning. Not much different from traffic in the Dallas area, or Los Angeles. If you're accustomed to living any of those cities you learn how to get around, it's not that big of a deal, you learn alternate routes when traffic is bad, or travel when traffic is lighter. I have a friend who lives in Los Angeles and he knows how to do it, I've ridden with him, he knows the best routes to get around more easily. Same with Dallas, I live here, and it's bad but you learn how to deal with it. So it's not "ghastly" as people say.