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Lando Norris could have gone to Red Bull. Why didn't he? 

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It's confirmed that Lando Norris had talks with Red Bull, ahead of signing his contract extension with McLaren. So, what do we think. A mistake to pass up a potential Red Bull opportunity, or not?
Lets talk about it.
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@PH-jv4ik
@PH-jv4ik Год назад
If McLaren don't fix up he will go the Hamilton route
@baulbvb
@baulbvb Год назад
He won't join Audi
@wywiertarkowywator7516
@wywiertarkowywator7516 Год назад
@@baulbvb ?
@baulbvb
@baulbvb Год назад
@@wywiertarkowywator7516 what
@baulbvb
@baulbvb Год назад
@@bbuttons7941 the Hamilton route is joining a new works team in my eyes
@pogbacr3748
@pogbacr3748 Год назад
@@baulbvb he probably meant replacing Hamilton in Mercedes replicating the move Hamilton did in the past (mclaren-Mercedes)
@ThunderSn1per
@ThunderSn1per Год назад
Absolutely spot on in my opinion. Lando is a fantastic driver and given the right package I think the title fight is the long term goal, as you said, easily switch to RB for some wins but that's not what he wants.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
He's the real deal for sure
@utkarshverma7
@utkarshverma7 Год назад
I think he will wait like max , max waited and believed in RB to fix themselves
@StorminOGorman
@StorminOGorman Год назад
McLaren have gone from competing with Ferrari for 3rd last year to competing with Alpine for 4th this year. As good as it has been for Lando to come straight into one of the big name teams and establish himself as team leader there, unless McLaren make that leap to genuinely competing for race wins next year then I've no doubt he will be looking elsewhere for a seat in a car that can.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
And they couldn't begrudge him for doing so. He'd love to make that progression with McLaren, but he can't allow that loyalty to inhibit his potential
@utkarshverma7
@utkarshverma7 Год назад
Mclaren are doing everything but making their car better , i have seen more advertising on their car then the upgrades this year
@PiousMoltar
@PiousMoltar Год назад
Well yeah but Ferrari are much better this year, that's the main reason why. Although I will admit that McLaren just aren't as strong this year as last year.
@KayJblue
@KayJblue Год назад
@@utkarshverma7 I Think the original Mclaren package was quite flawed, with narrow sidepods and a high front wing. Hence why they haven’t had much major development. I’d assume they have been pouring resources into heavy 2023 changes.
@StorminOGorman
@StorminOGorman Год назад
@@KayJblue I should hope so for Lando's sake. Going by the performance this year of Ricciardo, it genuinely looks like Norris is driving out of his skin and making this year's McLaren look better than it is.
@jamiehabjan6915
@jamiehabjan6915 Год назад
I think you’re pretty spot on to be honest. I’d honestly love to see current DR pace in the current RB and how he’d compare to Max. But hey we all know how unlikely that is to happening
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Give Danny Ric a car that suits his style, and he'll fly. I wonder how that RB car development has moved since he left though.
@theracingban
@theracingban Год назад
@@TommoOnRU-vid he would be better than checo , max and danny would be like leclerc and sainz
@Mark-ef8oc
@Mark-ef8oc Год назад
@@theracingban leclerc and sainz? Bruh wayyyy better. Max >>> leclerc and Daniel >> sainz
@meganod279
@meganod279 Год назад
@@theracingban To be honest I don't think checo or Danny would be able to ever beat max. The mindset of max is extremely difficult to break and thats what makes champions. Checo is a hard worker but so is max.
@theracingban
@theracingban Год назад
@@Mark-ef8oc Charles is better than Daniel what you on bruh
@kushagranayyar3960
@kushagranayyar3960 Год назад
The only 3-4 drivers at the moment who are even close to MAX on the grid are probably Lec/lewis/alonso/and some times russel, and i still think think max would would win with all 5 in same car.
@Roguescienceguy
@Roguescienceguy Год назад
Maybe HAM on an epic day could sometimes still beat him every once and a while. But yeah, most of the time it would be Max.
@lewisburt3750
@lewisburt3750 Год назад
Video idea: Deep dive in to F1 helmets. How the drivers choose the livery and colors and what rules there are about them and why certain drivers have Bell helemets and some have still helmets.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
I approve of this. Might have something planned... 👀
@gamertanmaay4328
@gamertanmaay4328 Год назад
Man, I can't wait for Lando and McLaren racking up the wins.... I want him to win championship
@berkayakdag733
@berkayakdag733 Год назад
Lando is not a championship material sadly
@jagoda8471
@jagoda8471 Год назад
@@berkayakdag733 we still don't know that
@berkayakdag733
@berkayakdag733 Год назад
@@jagoda8471 no we know that its been 4 years since he joined if he was that good a championship contender team would have signed him dont be delusional
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Please
@nicktrains2234
@nicktrains2234 Год назад
@@berkayakdag733 mate, McLaren will be a championship team... eventually
@AverageMax13
@AverageMax13 Год назад
Lando is currently the big fish in a smaller pond. And I think he likes it that way. If the pond gets bigger nice one, he's their number one guy so he's on top. If mclaren never improve then he can always blame the machinery and go down as a 'could have been great' driver
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Ironic because there's that huge pond right outside the MTC 😅
@oyugilinus1503
@oyugilinus1503 Год назад
@@TommoOnRU-vid 😅😅😅😅😅😅
@JGirl199
@JGirl199 Год назад
I think that true, if the pond doesn't start to shrink. Then I think he is too big and he has to change the team or he will get really frustrated and unhappy. When Mclaren stays in the Top 4-5 teams and he can get Podiums from time to time, I think he stays
@bison-yetistudio2296
@bison-yetistudio2296 Год назад
The pond is indeed quite big
@Artois2011
@Artois2011 8 месяцев назад
@@TommoOnRU-vid😂😂😂😂
@Railbird_
@Railbird_ Год назад
I think it's entirely up to McLaren to try and keep Lando happy there. He's consistently the best driver in the midfield and so far this season the only driver not racing for Red Bull, Ferrari or Mercedes to snag a podium. But I don't think he'll settle for another 2-3 seasons of just being the best of the rest. Right now I'm sure he's content with being the number 1 driver at McLaren and picking up an occasional podium, but there will come a point where he wants more than that and I'm sure he's well aware that teams know what he's capable of. If McLaren doesn't improve much I can easily see him replace Lewis when he eventually retires.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Yeah for sure, pressure on McLaren to deliver the goods, because Lando is definitely capable
@MrRono19
@MrRono19 Год назад
Max and Lando on the same team would be flipping hilarious 😂😂
@AndyKazama2
@AndyKazama2 Год назад
I just want to see Lando at a winning team, whether this is McLaren or Red Bull or Mercedes. Lando is such as likeable driver I want him to do well.
@Micfri300
@Micfri300 Год назад
If mclaren don't know how to handle piastri and norris both wanting to be the best i can honestly see this happening.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
It's a good point y'know
@raisaga9273
@raisaga9273 Год назад
Nah he'd want to push for wins, which redbull won't want him to take from verstappen
@Micfri300
@Micfri300 Год назад
@@raisaga9273 honestly the bigger why move is mclaren dropping ricciardo for piastri. Ok i get ricciardo isn't what he used to be(though i believe its more the car which has declined in performance more so) but regardless norris strives from experienced drivers guiding him has a father figure so to speak and so i would have kept ricciardo on and not gotten piastri despite the potential he may have.
@aaronaaronsen3360
@aaronaaronsen3360 Год назад
I know we have no idea of the level of Oscar Piastri in F1, but I'm afraid Landon could fall in a bit of a RedBull Ricciardo situation where Oscar gets better and better and ends up being driver n°1. This awesome piece of opinion was brought to you by the guy that said "beware, Williams and Aston Martin will have a wonderful season with the new concepts and the cost cap"
@joepowles6762
@joepowles6762 Год назад
Great video mate! Really enjoyed this one. I’d love to see Lando at a top team soon. Idk if he could beat max but I reckon he edges George. Difficult to judge tho as they have driven such different cars throughout their career.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Cheers Joe! Lando vs George would be unreal to see as teammates. Regardless, hopefully we see them compete at the sharp end.
@soyedgar1831
@soyedgar1831 Год назад
I think he is the next Mercedes driver
@henrymoore3905
@henrymoore3905 Год назад
george and lando at merc could be possible for sure
@DG12020
@DG12020 Год назад
Do remember that George did handily beat Lando in F2 for the title in his first ever season. Though I agree that it is difficult to judge, I would argue that at the moment George has that edge over Lando. He didn't win all his previous formula championships(which he competed against Lando) with just luck thats for sure.
@edivaldonunes3386
@edivaldonunes3386 Год назад
@@DG12020 Lando was a baby though when that happened
@cambyses1529
@cambyses1529 Год назад
If Lando loses to Piastri then a move to Redbull might be smart. Otherwise staying at mclaren seems the best option for his career. But he has to beat Piastri if he wants to put himself out there as a team leader and/or future world champ - and given Piastri's pedigree Im not sure that will be an easy task at all in the medium to long term.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Big pressure on both drivers next year for sure
@Roguescienceguy
@Roguescienceguy Год назад
Remember Stoffel Vandoorne?
@EllisWL
@EllisWL Год назад
In my opinion Lando is in the top 5 drivers in F1 at the moment alongside Max, Lewis, Charles and Fernando and if he can get a car capable of challenging for wins I think he’ll easily take advantage of it. Specifically his quali pace is second to none compared to the majority on the grid but still it would be interesting to see what he can do in a quick car. It’s hard for Lando though when you are surrounded by drivers like Max, Charles and George who are in much more competitive cars so it could be hard to challenge for a WDC. I can see Lando at Merc when Lewis retires or even at Red Bull when Checo or Max leaves.
@gamingnoah9807
@gamingnoah9807 Год назад
As much as i dislike russell, i think he is better than lando tbh
@EllisWL
@EllisWL Год назад
@@gamingnoah9807 yeah that’s fair enough just my opinion
@pancon5
@pancon5 Год назад
I'd like to see Max - Sainz (as a cerebral no.2) bring back their Toro Rosso team-up, Lewis - Russell in the Merc and Charles - Lando in the Ferrari battling it out! Lando - George in the Merc would be very cool too. But yeah, if Nyck performs, he's probably a candidate for that RB seat after Sergio.
@ashstunes6642
@ashstunes6642 Год назад
Just, for one second, imagine a title fight in a couple years between McLaren/Norris, Ferrari/Leclerc, Mercedes/Russell, Red Bull/Verstappen 🤩
@EntropicExergy
@EntropicExergy Год назад
And get the same BS from two teams, possibly three if ferrari goes along with it, like last year? no Thank you, leave the merc teams out, they can't behave like sportsmen. Replace mclaren and merc with Alpine and (if you really insist on a merc team) Aston Martin. Merc deserves to be backmarker for several more years for their behaviour and after those remarks from Brown on the BC (showing to be Toto's lapdog) i really don't care for them.
@samward8754
@samward8754 Год назад
I think that Mclaren would be good for him since they can wrap that car around him like redbull do with Max and then bring Mclaren back to winning ways but that would take time whereas redbull is instant success. But again it all depends what happens to redbull with the cost cap and if they still wanna keep Perez to be that perfect No. 2 and if piastri hits the ground running. Redbull for Norris could turn out into a situation like Max and Danny Ric which could either work wonderfully constructor wise or end in shambles and then Norris feels like he doesn’t get as much support as Max does, etc.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Wishful thinking, I hope it pays off
@ehrlichgesagt863
@ehrlichgesagt863 Год назад
I dont think they get cars build around them. They are just levels above there teammate. Max and Norris said at the start of the season there car was build more for the teammate and they still beat there teammate consistently. The real talent shows when you have a car you dont know at all.
@Madness1299
@Madness1299 Год назад
Only if he's comfortable with being a 2nd driver. Max will demolish him and he knows it.
@Moray2023
@Moray2023 Год назад
I'd be interested what year this was. If it was for a Toro Rosso drive in 2018 he was right to stay at McLaren. If it was for Red Bull for 2021 then he should of gone to Red Bull.
@sterq
@sterq Год назад
Really liked this informative and also a little bit hypothetical, sort of quick fire approach.
@TwoTwoFourSix
@TwoTwoFourSix Год назад
Would you rather be First driver in a mid field team or MAYBE a second driver at a top team which depends on your skill and willingness to push the team in your directions to make you the obvious choice. He's gonna move to Red Bull after next year.
@aaronyt2819
@aaronyt2819 Год назад
In my opinion, McLaren going for a young Piastri is a sign to show that McLaren has backed down from Lando a tiny bit maybe. I can see him move at the end of the contract
@jackcarden2506
@jackcarden2506 Год назад
Love these short videos
@y_fam_goeglyd
@y_fam_goeglyd Год назад
Why go to any other team where he'll effectively a number 2 driver? There's nothing to say McLaren won't improve. Ferrari did, and only a couple of years ago they were bloody awful. Choosing the right team at the right time is like being blindfolded, spun around and then getting a bullseye on the dart board.
@LauraIsOverstimulated
@LauraIsOverstimulated Год назад
It was in DTS when McLaren was resigning Lando that the top teams went after him too. Kinda weird this is news now. But also there’s something to be said about being the “chosen one” for a team - max at redbull and Lando at McLaren. They’re safe, they know they have a seat, they are the team favorite, etc. that takes a lot of stress off
@raymondu99
@raymondu99 Год назад
Call me a cynic, but… That negotiation could have been for 1 of 2 teams, obviously. AlphaTauri, and Red Bull Racing. If it was for: - AlphaTauri, would it really have been worth his while? it’s a backwards move. Although with arguably better forward prospects. - Red Bull, does that not then mean Marko/Horner view him at the Perez level? By which I mean, they’re not going to be even considering - at least in my opinion - an Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel type “multi-wdc” level driver who could end up battling Max for points/wins/etc to ruin the harmony. Also maybe someone will prove me wrong, but Lando is apparently suited to the lazy front of the McLaren, if many reports are to be believed, which has him using the brakes to heavily manhandle the car into entering a corner. In an oversteery car such as the Red Bull is reported to be - it would also raise many questions as to how he would adapt. He has never driven an F1 car outside of the McLaren ecosystem (that I’m aware of)
@adrianhenriksen7531
@adrianhenriksen7531 Год назад
Really enjoy ur videos mate! But I agree that Lando should stay at McLaren and make that team his own and in the future have McLaren/Lando v RB/Max v Merc/Russell(LH) v Ferrari/Charles! Would be awesome to see a four way battle for the championship!
@boxfresh2483
@boxfresh2483 Год назад
I think you have to look even further down the line. if and when Porsche Audi enter they would be a big team to join and lead and I'd imagine they would pay a big sum of money for someone like lando
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
It's a fair shout
@kushagranayyar3960
@kushagranayyar3960 Год назад
As much as I'd love to see 2 of these next gen guys in same car, I don't think RBR is the best team for that. They have always favoured 1 driver over the other. They don't really let their guys fight, like McLaren under dennis or Mercedes. Yes every team has resorted to team orders but like we saw this year, RB does this even before there is a actual championship risk, they did so w/ perez/2014 seb/webber etc. IMO Lando/Piastri whoever develops better in the next couple of years will probably get Lewis's seat upon retirement unless there is a major shift in hierarchy of cars with McLaren at top or maybe audi actually gets serious about a works team in the future
@tuna5618
@tuna5618 Год назад
probably yeah but maybe he doesn't wanna get too competitive directly against max.
@cryptout
@cryptout Год назад
Lando is not hungry enough to be fighting for the title. He has the skills but lacks fighting spirit.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
What makes you feel that way exactly?
@cryptout
@cryptout Год назад
@@TommoOnRU-vid Just observation over the last few years, he gives up a place to easy and is just to nice on track.
@78drea
@78drea Год назад
No you're wrong there. It's intelligente driving and knowing when it's your fight and when Not. Also it's often an order from His Team too. But he fights alright, there are a lot of examples. Just in Singapur he showed it against Max. But he also knows when fighting against a Car a second or so faster a lap could destroy His own race against the Cars he's fighting against. So he picks them very carefully and rightly so. In F1 the bigger picture is the most important thing.
@cryptout
@cryptout Год назад
@@78drea Time will tell.
@djdsf
@djdsf Год назад
Keep Lando where he's at, both for the sake of RB and for his own. He'd perform as well as Danny is doing in McL and would get the same treatment as well of having the car not developed to his liking. Checo's experience is what's saved that second seat, and even then, there's folks iffy on if he should stay, so definitely not doing better than Checo
@hamza-chaudhry
@hamza-chaudhry Год назад
Are those Nike Dunk Lows in the background custom?
@98MTBiker
@98MTBiker Год назад
I strongly think drivers should strive to be in the fastest car possible regardless of whoever will be their teammate. Bottas did not win a championship staying at Mercedes but neither did Ricciardo by moving away from Red Bull. Valtteri however is still going to be in the sport and racked many more podiums. If you're not gonna beat a driver in the same car, you won't beat them in a slower car. Ricciardo thinking Renault would become more competitive than Red Bull was very opportunistic. Red Bull and Mercedes are the only two teams who have finished in the top 3 since 2013.
@olivergaskell5201
@olivergaskell5201 Год назад
Something like Russel-Norris at Mercedes would be incredible to be fair, I think to have two top drivers at one team would be incredible cause it seems like most years recently, one team generally comes out on top (bar 2021 ofc)
@pranc236
@pranc236 Год назад
Agree with everything tommo. Mclaren probably the 3rd best team with the 4th/5th best car. Lando’s only real choices to move up are merc or redbull. If lewis leaves next year we will see a real silly season. Great video
@LordWay
@LordWay Год назад
I reckon Lando should have hopefully I am wrong but it's over a decade since Mclaren were fighting for a championship they haven't been close to that in that time either. When they did finish 3rd they were miles off in points. So I just don't see them supplying a car capable of challenging for wins anytime soon. Maybe at the next rule change is their best hope?
@Cp-rp5tr
@Cp-rp5tr Год назад
great video!👍
@generaldreagonlps6889
@generaldreagonlps6889 Год назад
Staying was probably the best move. Lando is still young and Red Bull likely isn't going anywhere so a gamble on McLaren cathing up to the leaders is worth it. If it's clear McLaren is falling behind I'm sure one of the top teams would be interested in him provided he keeps performing well.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Lando will be successful, with or without McLaren
@addsfour3499
@addsfour3499 Год назад
Could be tuff for Lando next year. Piastri will be snapping at his heels from the first race.
@xRestart
@xRestart Год назад
I dont really get the move (from Red Bulls side) unless Perez completely drops in performance. He is “good enough” for RB since they wont want someone that would mess up Verstappens championship runs but he can win, get podiums and be up there every race and that produces driver (for Max) and constructors world championships.
@gooridi
@gooridi Год назад
2:06 a DOMINANT force in F1 iykyk
@CtotheC123
@CtotheC123 Год назад
Absolutely not. Even if he managed to match Verstappen on pure pace, he’d be going to a team who’s car and setup is heavily based/biased towards Verstappen which wouldn’t be the right route to challenge for a championship. I also think he’d struggle; Perez has done very well in that car, but he has over a decade of experience for different teams. The likes of Gasly and Albon (although they’re probably not quite the same calibre as Lando) significantly struggled which put their F1 careers as risk or at least slowed down their progression.
@jackfarr3133
@jackfarr3133 Год назад
Spot on, like you say I'd definitely say Norris is better off staying at McLaren and making himself the "Verstappen/Leclerc/Russell" of that team. He's still young and McLaren are at least making the right moves. If there were rumblings of one of Max, Charles, or George wanting leave their teams, then maybe yeah take a punt. But otherwise he's better off staying put as most teams on the grid now have their "long term bet for the future", with the exceptions of Alpha Tauri obviously and probably Aston Martin, as while Stroll ain't going anywhere he's not quite who'd you pin Aston's hopes for success on init? It will be interesting to see what becomes of Piastri though, he's the most hyped rookie F1 have had for a couple of years so if he lives up to the hype it'll depend on how well him Norris work together as to whether Norris will want to stick around...
@FrayRS
@FrayRS Год назад
Yes.
@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT
@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT Год назад
Last time I had a favorite driver in Red Bull was Daniel Ricciardo. Ironically, Lando is my 2nd favorite F1 driver. Idk how I feel about him going to Red Bull because he’s just gonna be the “2nd Red Bull driver”.
@bartonez123
@bartonez123 Год назад
Considering Lando and Max prefer polar opposite setups, it's probably a good thing they aren't in the same team. Lando has guided McLaren down the path to building the most understeering car on the grid, and there is no way he'd get that privilege at RBR, especially when you've got Newey there too (who knows that more understeer equals slower overall car).
@camraceranimation
@camraceranimation Год назад
It's the fact that Riccardo came P5 in the 2020 standings,...and he STILL left. AND Renault/Alpine is clearly best of the rest this year...
@jonathankfouri3431
@jonathankfouri3431 Год назад
I think more than just the risk of having as much talent as Max, theres also overcoming a car tailored to max. I think a move to RB would not be smart
@EntropicExergy
@EntropicExergy Год назад
Unless you don't mind being wingman, then it's the perfect move.
@bjs7442
@bjs7442 Год назад
Excellent video and thoughts. Lando has age on his side and also was approached by RB as a junior but decided to go to Mclaren. As a team Mclaren have been held back by bad decisions prior to 2018 and not enough money to have what is needed to compete at the front. Full marks to Zak for reversing that position and an excellent signing in Seidl. It will be 2014 before Mclaren can punch their weight and at the end of that season Lando will still be only 24. He can then make his decision. I am not saying Lando is better than Max but he is certainly for me the best prospect to really challenge him as a driver. Marko said this year that lando is the only driver after Lewis he thinks has the talent to take on Max.There is also another factor in we have to ask the question, how long will Adrian Newey stay active at RB . I think when he puts his book away RB will not be the force they are now. RBs success is not all about Max its really all about Newey and a top driver in Max coming together. I cant see Max equaling Lewis as Newey has retired from racing once before and it was the new regs that awakened his interest. He is not a youngster any more and likes new challenges.
@EntropicExergy
@EntropicExergy Год назад
Newey likes working with Max, he might just be the reason for Adrian to stay on longer. Especially if he keeps racking in the championships. Not only that, i see Max going past Michaels records. In fact, i see him going double digits in championships.
@bjs7442
@bjs7442 Год назад
@@EntropicExergy Adrian left RB to design the Aston Martin Valkyrie and then yachts in the Americas Cup. He is 63 and I cant see him staying at RB for more than a couple of years now and leaving f1 for good. He doesnt need the money.
@EntropicExergy
@EntropicExergy Год назад
@@bjs7442 Exactly, he doesn't need the money. With Max bringing in championships i see him staying in the game longer. No one quits when they are on a winning streak. Not unless health becomes a problem.
@bjs7442
@bjs7442 Год назад
@@EntropicExergy He has been their before though winning multiple world championships with Vettel and then walked away to do new projects away from F1. His cars have won 10 constructors championships with four different drivers. There was a BBC documentary about him in his palatial home and he said that he had to have a challenge and not just tinker for a few years. The new regs was the reason why he came back this time.
@EntropicExergy
@EntropicExergy Год назад
@@bjs7442 Just his luck that there will be new regs in just over three years. Plenty of challenge for him and with a driver like Max to work with, i expect him to stay for a good while.
@97ajg
@97ajg Год назад
little off topic but if albon does great in williams for the next contract and hamilton reitres maybe he'd be a good option across Russel.
@atmoz_
@atmoz_ Год назад
Think staying with McLaren is the best option for him. People like to forget but Max also needed to be patient and have faith in the process and the team. When he joined Red Bull they where very clear the 3rd team on the grid. Not sure if can say that McLaren does have that winning pedigree still in them. So many people left since the time they where winning. You see it with Ferrari, they have obviously also that winning pedigree in them from when Räikkönen won them a championship in 2008. They also forgot how to win look at this season.
@EntropicExergy
@EntropicExergy Год назад
If you have forgot how to win, then there is no winning pedigree at all. You are just contradicting yourself.
@atmoz_
@atmoz_ Год назад
@@EntropicExergy That's my hole point... like ferrari, how many championships did they win. So how he was saying it is that ferrari does have winning pedigree. But look at them how they forgot how to win
@EntropicExergy
@EntropicExergy Год назад
@@atmoz_ Ah, didn't get your point that they lost it. In that case i fully agree. I guess Raikkonen enjoyed the after effects of what Schumacher had built up there.
@atmoz_
@atmoz_ Год назад
@@EntropicExergy thx, then a question for you, How much do you think that Hamilton/Mercedes did learn from Schumachers time there before they start winning.
@EntropicExergy
@EntropicExergy Год назад
@@atmoz_ Interesting question. Personally i think they weren't able to do much with his feedback. Michael stil had it, but the merc engineers were (and still are) not good enough for it. They suck at aero, as this year has shown. Remember that Michael did not have such a great run at merc, like he used to at ferrari. It wasn't untill that ridiculously OP engine that they started winning things. That engine covered it up quite well. Now that they have a lesser engine (compared to RB and Ferrari), their ineptitude at aero is displayed in full.
@Mandykiss4500
@Mandykiss4500 Год назад
Biggest issue is, McLaren is a Engine Customer of a current F1 Works Team. In this day & age, to be successful, need to be a Works Team. McLaren need their OWN Works Team & it look unlikely now they will be in the next 10 years! Also, the Mercedes Engine is lacking power compared to last year…I don’t see McLaren being any better than a 4th Placed Team until perhaps 2026. Sure, maybe get the odd Win & Podiums, but Lando is kidding himself that he thinks being with a Customer Team will EVER give him a Chance to fight for titles…
@lpiavelino6598
@lpiavelino6598 Год назад
nice video tommy, could sir lewis hamilton beat verstappen in the same car?
@stephen3535
@stephen3535 Год назад
Max and Lando would be an epic duo! Max would be pushed to his limits with Lando. Lando can definitely handle Max's driving preferences
@shubhamsharma775
@shubhamsharma775 Год назад
Moving to Red Bull for Lando would not only mean partnering Max but also trying to beat Max in a car designed around Max, so yeah being at McLaren is his best choice
@jornkaspers1175
@jornkaspers1175 Год назад
What you talking about why wil redbull buld a car only for max it doesnt make any sance mate the cars are the same for evers buddy its the talent not the team
@Eric-rf1is
@Eric-rf1is Год назад
@@jornkaspers1175 you can keep telling people that. But even when it's explained numerous times by expert sites, they still don't get it. People just can't or will not accept the fact Max is that fast. 👍
@tw1938
@tw1938 Год назад
He’d go down as a hero for McLaren if he produces a Driver and Constructor’s championship for McLaren, think you’ll have a clear sight in 2-3 years time, Piastri and Norris will be McLarens best bet at progressing to that next level as long as Piastri hits the ground running
@berkayakdag733
@berkayakdag733 Год назад
I'm happy he didn't that will probably be an ill fated scenario with max destroying lando and lando becoming an ''albon''
@sleeper4life517
@sleeper4life517 Год назад
Wasn’t there an offer from Red Bull to Lando to join Toro Rosso mid 2018 to replace Hartley?
@anameyoucantremember
@anameyoucantremember Год назад
No young hot-shot would ever want to go to RB. They know they won't beat Max, regardless of the package, so they have a better chance at WDC in another team and hope for RB to trip themselves. Nobody knows this better than Lando.
@r1ckyy-
@r1ckyy- Год назад
No hate to Checo, but I'd love to see Max and Lando in RB.
@slowpoke7347
@slowpoke7347 Год назад
It's telling that someone as talented as Lando doesn't want to take on Max at red bull. Not surprising though since Verstappen destroys his team mates.
@PongPogPonderan
@PongPogPonderan Год назад
McLaren carry themselves as Cool and with the times, always willing try being the flashy and sleek while also being competitive, its almost the opposite of ferrari who try to put themselves purely by history and all time prestige
@LauraIsOverstimulated
@LauraIsOverstimulated Год назад
Once I saw what RB did to Gasly mid season I never would sign with them as a driver. That’s extreme risk. Imagine if McLaren just dropped Ricciardo in July 😢
@EntropicExergy
@EntropicExergy Год назад
If you read how Gasly behaved towards Adrian Newey, the man who designs championship cars, you would understand. Any team would do that with a driver that has such a big mouth yet little to show for.
@LauraIsOverstimulated
@LauraIsOverstimulated Год назад
@@EntropicExergy i just mean they have a power the other teams don’t where they can pull a driver mid season to replace you if they’re unhappy. Super risky
@EntropicExergy
@EntropicExergy Год назад
@@LauraIsOverstimulated That's the risk of a top team. Or do you think merc or ferrari are all that different? Don't perform and you are out, they are no different. Just to help quash any illusions you might have.
@bugra320
@bugra320 Год назад
What's the point of this while Checo having a contract until the end of 2024 ?
@Eric-rf1is
@Eric-rf1is Год назад
Lando spoke to RB before his McL contract extension. So, yeh, this makes no sense anymore. 👍👍
@doghat1619
@doghat1619 Год назад
I personally think he should've gone to Red Bull. It's better to be beaten by Max most weeks but still have a chance to win, than being in comfortably the 4th fastest car and unable to even fight for podiums. Checo beats Max some weeks, he's pretty good around street circuits. Checo has wins, Lando frankly only got to fight for a win in Sochi last year because Valterri and Bottas were both starting from the back and Hamilton was just coasting, thinking of his own championship rather than risking it for a win that he didn't need. If Lando legitimately wanted to compete for a championship he needs to be in a top 3 team. McLaren are inconsistent. Red Bull has been fighting for championships, or at the very least fighting for wins on merit since 2009. McLaren have had many ups and downs
@hiufgterde
@hiufgterde Год назад
Also, he and Max are friends so I don't think they're too keen on becoming colleagues as it would change their dynamic.
@kaulokikker2928
@kaulokikker2928 Год назад
This is my favourite driver duo
@bobson_nfl8958
@bobson_nfl8958 Год назад
He should go next year if McLaren aren't fighting for 3rd
@spooked2104
@spooked2104 Год назад
4th*
@bobson_nfl8958
@bobson_nfl8958 Год назад
@@spooked2104 if I'm him I want 3rd, 5th year in the sport
@Drizzydid
@Drizzydid Год назад
Obviously he didn't know at that time but as of circumstances now I think Lando needs to just focus on taking care of business with Piastri first and foremost rather than think about Red Bull. Because Lando being the Leclerc or Verstappen of Mclaren as of right now is no longer a given long term. In fact it's anything but if Oscar is what we think he is.
@soberlicious_
@soberlicious_ Год назад
I feel like any young driver won't really want to take a risk to go to redbull while max is still there. The past few years have shown everyone on the grid how terrible that car is for any number 2 driver.
@lennies_mindful_life
@lennies_mindful_life Год назад
The 2nd seat of red bull is great for young driver with little of no experience not for someone like lando who has lead a team & who wants a chance to win the championship. Red bull will be max's team while he is still in it. Lando along side Russell Post Lewis maybe
@Cp-rp5tr
@Cp-rp5tr Год назад
And Norris made the right decision,Nr1 driver of Mclaren. If they make a competive car for him Lando is ready to go for it!
@kaspernystrom3818
@kaspernystrom3818 Год назад
4:00 think you meant 2012? :D
@RML0317
@RML0317 Год назад
I would love to see him join Red Bull in the future.
@ameyparanjpe1059
@ameyparanjpe1059 Год назад
I honestly feel lando is all hype 😅
@caphowdy666
@caphowdy666 Год назад
Was leaving Renault really a bigger mistake than leaving Red Bull? I don't think so. Yes Max was obviously the guy Red Bull were grooming for the future, but Ricciardo was still taking wins and basically ran from the challenge to a team that was nowhere near close to being a race winner, let alone a title challenger. And the results in his first year with Renault were not exactly stellar, scoring about a third of the points he scored the year before. Yeah the car improved the next year but overall, Renault finished two positions behind McLaren in the constructors championship so it certainly looked like it was a better move to go there than it looked for him to move from Red Bull to Renault. And while people say that he has been a disapointment since going to McLaren apart from that one win, he scored nearly as many points as he did in his second year at Renault last year, but yes he was overshadowed my Lando. And McLaren was well ahead of Alpine as well. Nobody could have seen his monumental downfall coming this year. The simple theory was that his move to McLaren should have been a move back up the grid, but things just did not work out for whatever reason. It was a better move than his move to Renault, just a shame he messed it up.
@zainhaq
@zainhaq Год назад
idk personally i think if checo leaves nyck will move up, lando might be able to go to alphatauri but idk
@Eric-rf1is
@Eric-rf1is Год назад
DEV first has to prove himself as "fast" in F1.
@mishagelenava2962
@mishagelenava2962 Год назад
He could go to any other team and have a pretty good chance to beat his teammate, but not in Red Bull. Well, maybe if he goes to Red Bull and somehow him and Max manage to keep goid relationship while they hight each other for titles, maybe he could put together one better season than Max, if he stayed for a long time.
@davidbrown8517
@davidbrown8517 Год назад
I have heard that Monster Energy Drinks are releasing a new product. It's called Red Bullshit
@ahhhwh
@ahhhwh Год назад
its been taking away the exitement to have this constructors title intefering with the drivers for ever. Would it be not even amazing to see drivers compete in different spec cars every race, show their versatility in adapting while the constructors can challenge each other prviding interesting, efficient, creative racecars. And it begs the question right now if the current tech race has any benefits outside the sport anyway. And might not even serve any public interest inside the sport. So, constructors should apply with concept racecars of all sorts to have a chance to provide cars for top tier racers. Experiment with new automotive ideas which we need anyway and make the driver challenge much more exiting too. Many more Tracks in the World would be in question, we could have Formula E and Extreme E together within F1 The only reason F1 is so popular is top drivers and very good media coverage. The open-wheel cars, the money, the constructors, the fia rules are all pretty dull and annoying anyway.
@crazycoasterboi8176
@crazycoasterboi8176 Год назад
I’d like to see Fernando in the Red Bull.
@jakebritton1080
@jakebritton1080 Год назад
I hope he either stays or joins rb
@ducedevlstear2471
@ducedevlstear2471 Год назад
McLaren is a long shot. I can't see them improving any time soon. Alpine and Aston Martin have same ambitions, similar facilities and financial backing.
@Mogzilla86
@Mogzilla86 Год назад
i think its as simple as just showing some loyalty to the team who gave him a shot since he was a kid. if they arent at the front by 25 he will leave
@MrDecy69
@MrDecy69 Год назад
Think you hit the nail on the head there. Lando is comfortable at mclaren and works with the team like cheese on pizza, can't see that dynamic working at red bull at all.
@TommoOnYoutube
@TommoOnYoutube Год назад
Fish & Chips
@mariano1428
@mariano1428 Год назад
Lando deserves a team where he is granted being the n1 driver. The issue is that he'll have to rely to much on McLaren improving since I don't see any of the top 3 teams dropping either Max, Charles or George (bar a spectacular drop in performance). Only last option will depend on how good Audi turn out to be when they come round. Can't speak too soon, since you never know, but he could have a similar issue as the one Daniel had throughout his career of always deserving to be n1 driver, but not having the space to be it in a top team
@drewd2
@drewd2 Год назад
Red Bull would be idiotic to break up Perez and Verstappen. Perez was nearly out of F1, he knows that, and now he can win races. Teams aren't knocking down Perez's door to make him the #1 driver, either. It's a win-win. I do think Lando's play is to stay where he is, see where McLaren's car goes, and jump into the Mercedes once Hamilton leaves. People forget that there is no guarantee Russell is the guy, and Lando-Russell would make an all-British team, which I think would make for a good relationship, even though it would be a competitive one. I still think long-term Mercedes will be a better team than McLaren. I don't see a spot opening up at Ferrari, either, and I think Norris is considered to be the best young driver from a mid-tier team. Norris to Mercedes is the play.
@CodyOsteen5
@CodyOsteen5 Год назад
Is he gonna be Mclarens future? What happens if Piastri beats Lando?
@EmilZ-wb5kr
@EmilZ-wb5kr Год назад
I can't think of any driver who could match and outdo Verstappen rn... only 2010s Alonso (Ferrari era) could do that in terms of current active drivers.
@bobmanyo1
@bobmanyo1 Год назад
Nice dude
@onlineghost9813
@onlineghost9813 Год назад
Yes
@samsonlovesyou
@samsonlovesyou Год назад
He's a Formula 1 driver. He doesn't believe he'd be beaten by Max. That's the mentality it takes to even get on the grid*. *that or a lot of money
@kumarpal6558
@kumarpal6558 Год назад
ANY THOUGHTS ON THE COST CAP SCANGAL MATE?.... No?.... Why So?
@JxstSkye
@JxstSkye Год назад
Lando is possibly the driver with the highest potential on the grid currently maybe alongside George. They have both outperformed a pretty mid car. I think he will be wasted talent and potential WDC material if he stays at McLaren and they don’t make a win / championship contending car sooner rather than later. He has repeatedly shown he is deserving of a car like that and if McLaren can’t deliver he has earned his right to move if he wants to.
@suckieduckie
@suckieduckie Год назад
What exactly have George and Lando done to place above Max and Charles in terms of potential?
@sarinataylorpliszka4919
@sarinataylorpliszka4919 Год назад
Lando weighs at least 7+ kg less than Max. That would make a difference in performance by itself. Dont underestimate Lando . Max has ALWAYS had a better car than Lando his whole career.
@suckieduckie
@suckieduckie Год назад
You are aware that weight is added to drivers that weigh less than 75kg? As long as you aren't over 75kg, which Max isn't, it doesn't matter.
@arwyss
@arwyss Год назад
RedBull would not hire him unless he knows he is not there to win races. He would be there to help Max win. I think that’s worse that being with McLaren.
@eury990
@eury990 Год назад
Lando Norris arguably will be a championship winner but not in a McLaren. Yes staying in McLaren for now is worthwhile however I don't see him winning a title where he is right now.
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