Lane discipline at roundabout explanation/clarification from the short.

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After many comments from viewers saying the motorcyclist (me) shouldn't have been in lane 2 and despite me writing an explanation, it still looks like people don't understand lane discipline so I've uploaded this explanation. Remember, this stresses the point even more that people get confused and riders shouldn't sit next to cars, Cheers
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@QuebecTango79 6 месяцев назад

Like yourself I've been instructing for many a moon. A large part of that as primary motorcycle instructor in a Police Driver training unit (whilst a serving officer) I've followed your videos for years and always find them to be accurate and of the highest quality. More of the same please.

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Praise indeed, thanks for staying with me.

@sedulousdabbler5468 6 месяцев назад

Anything which raises debate and makes you think in any hazardous situation, is good. On the money as always Russ

@VonPete105 6 месяцев назад

Regardless of the markings, common sense is that leftmost lane goes left, middle lane goes over, rightmost lane goes right, and car drivers won't understand this!

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Yes, it's incredibly rare lane 1 goes right. There are roundabouts like that near me too but they're also very well marked. Humans again.lol.

@philcaffrey 4 месяца назад

Totally agree with everything you have said - anyone disagreeing with your initial upload needs to have a word with themselves. 😂

@meepmeep634 6 месяцев назад

Same happens at the A303/A360 roundabout near Stonehenge. Single lane carriageway splits into three options, and most people cut across into the wrong lanes. Like you say, slow down, hold back and eventually you'll likely filter past most of these cars anyway. Nice video.

@stevestowell-virtue3781 6 месяцев назад

Both your short and this video make perfect sense. The road markings clearly show you are 100% correct. I also appreciate your common sense approach. If you know something has a high probability of occurring, plan for it and don't be surprised when it happens.

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Thanks, people are STILL questioning me!😂

@yellownev 6 месяцев назад

Another excellent free tutorial thank you. TUG ….Take Use Give with road position and keen observation of the car essential for our safety

@mjr2567 6 месяцев назад

I like that one 'if you still think I'm wrong, shut up'

@garrypepperman 6 месяцев назад

Yes you are correct in every respect and that’s obvious because you’re a legend! This goes to show that when riding around a roundabout try to always keep a staggered position to the vehicle next to you

@TobyCouchman 6 месяцев назад

Quality content as always, many of these vids helped me right from when I’d done DAS and onto my IAM

@benriley7053 6 месяцев назад

Shocking that people didn't notice the dirty great arrows on the floor 😂 and as ever, I've learnt something! No idea that broken outside lines meant we could enter an area of hatchings! The amount of times you see people just waiting to pull into the turning lane holding up traffic means I just figured that's what you do! Top job 👍

@petecurran3995 6 месяцев назад

Spot on Russ, clear as day. I'm constantly astounded (and a little bit disturbed) as to how roundabouts can be so confusing to so many. The ancient art of reading signs and lane markings seems to be dwindling. Great vid! 🙌🏼

@JediCore 6 месяцев назад

Watched the clip in question for the first time and I knew why people were point out the "mistake", but if you actually pay attention to the road markings (signs and arrows on the road itself) you'd know that there is no turn left. All arrows are either pointing straight or right. Riding on a motorcycle for 2 years now and not being a UK native I have these opinions on the matter: people do not pay attention to the road markings. They just look at the GPS and blindly follow it. But also I have met myself with weird roundabouts and another issue is that the roundabouts are inconsistent. Some of them are badly marked too, which further confuses people who never been on those roads before. What I've learn is this: left lane is for left turn or straight, right lane is for right turn or a u-turn. Unless arrows and the signs show otherwise. Then I stick to my lane until the exit.

@FREE_PUREBLOOD333 6 месяцев назад

Bad road markings and that mini driver was completely unaware of you and their required lanes to bear right. Nice vid.

@harleycross4170 6 месяцев назад

30 years. Yup, myself and my brother took our tests with roadcraft over 30 years ago 😮 and I did an advanced course with you probably 25 years ago. Dam, we old lol.

@Matthew-tf4nr Месяц назад

Yep, I was side swiped on a roundabout with a very similar layout, thankfully in a car but will be paying close attention to that in future, especially on a bike.

@diegocella6791 6 месяцев назад

Oh c'mon even i did catch the mini driver error! And i'm italian! (This was a bit of a sarcastic comment....) By the way you brit have some crazy roundabout there! Yes i did came up in September (was really nice...) and i DID manage not to cock up the roundabout with a bit of sign riding and sense! And don't start on us italian about roundabout, we don't even know how to construct them, let alone use them! Plus your video are always appreciated!

@StuHolland 6 месяцев назад

Nice explanation and im also very pleased that you're uploading again!

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Thanks.

@kgba17580 6 месяцев назад

your videos always make sense Russ, I don't watch the shorts myself but enjoyed the explanation 😆

@ronniegrant6177 6 месяцев назад

Best motorcycle instructions for todays crazy driving. Thanks

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

You're welcome.

@iivaridark6850 6 месяцев назад

That last one was good! Thanks!

@sjv6598 6 месяцев назад

I honestly can’t believe you’ve had to clarify this! Folks are far too quick to jump in and blame people without thinking for a second. You could plainly see the left lane was marked straight ahead and the lane you were in was straight on and right, you were of course absolutely correct in your lane choice and the mini cut across a marked line in front of you.

@allenglishknives6823 6 месяцев назад

your channel is such a valuable resource. Top marks 💪🏻👍🏻

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Thanks. 🙂

@alantheloneranger 6 месяцев назад

You're absolutely correct. Even though the sign leading up to the junction isn't at 12 o'clock, with there being no left turn and the arrows are pointing straight ahead, you treat the roundabout as straight ahead in the first two lanes. You avoided a collision with the mini driver and the best advice to anyone in similar situations on any roundabout is, if you are taking the next exit never overtake a vehicle that is on your inside just incase they aren't taking that exit, just as the mini proved. That way you avoid any collision.

@footshot2501 6 месяцев назад

I think the road markings are actually pants. The arial shot you had of the roundabout show that it is actually a left, albeit not a sharp one. That people commonly misunderstand, and that you've also seen an accident recently, makes it evident that something needs to change at this roundabout, and even if the road markings are "technically correct" they clearly aren't working.

@Woz-qx6mo 6 месяцев назад

Firstly, as a mid-life crisis new biker, a massive thanks for all your great videos, I am learning loads, please keep 'em coming 😊. For this clip, there is no question that you were in the right lane, moreover, demonstrating why we shouldn't be at the side of someone around an island. My issue here is with the idiot(s) at the highways agency who decide to put straight arrows to turn left. I see these a lot now and even when driving, I'm anticipating that many people will get it wrong because they usually do. Essentially, we always turn left to exit a roundabout (indicate left as you pass the previous exit) therefore, straight on arrows should mean that you continue round the roundabout (a right arrow should only exist at entry). Therefore, in my opinion, the highways agency should take responsibility here. Curious to know your (and others) thoughts here, am I the only person thinking like this lol. Thanks again, ride safe all.

@matthewkirkland2504 6 месяцев назад

It amazes me how many people don’t know the Highway Code or read the road properly. I’ve always said that everyone should re-do their theory and driving test (only refreshers) every 3-5 years. Good video as always Russ and I watched the short and had no qualms with what you were doing. Safe riding

@andyhewitt7588 6 месяцев назад

Useful and interesting, as always 😀

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Thanks! 😃

@extremepowerclean 5 месяцев назад

The sign for straight on was also thicker showing which is the straight on 👍

@neilmckenzie1989 6 месяцев назад

Wholly agree with everything you said - re lane positioning and defensive riding. I do disagree about drivers not understanding the road markings… I think they don’t read them and just ‘react’ when they see where they intended to go! Be aware - at all times!

@razzle1964 6 месяцев назад

This (and the original ‘short’ I’d already seen & remarked upon) reminded me of an incredibly near miss, under similar circumstances. The roundabout in question (for anyone interested in looking at an aerial, satellite, view) is the ‘Tesco superstore’ near Southend-on-Sea … road markings show lanes & directions for, among others, the A127 & B1013. I was already ‘on’ the roundabout approaching from the east, they came from the south. As I revisit said ‘near-miss’, I’m still uncertain if I was (1) entirely in the wrong (2) partially in the wrong or (3) not in the wrong & merely unlucky (or lucky, given the outcome). Point being, I’m certain I was in the correct lane & had indicated accordingly at the time, yet the other vehicle would’ve ALSO been in a correct lane & NOT required to indicate (regardless of whether they had or not). All good fun, eh!

@iangrimshaw1 6 месяцев назад

Bob on. Expect other road users to do something dumb. There is an old saying about a dead biker; " He was right, dead right as he rode along. But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

@daddystu7046 6 месяцев назад

That mini driver properly messed that one up. We've a roundabout near me where the lanes were signed incorrectly in terms of the road they lead onto. A*** (N) should be A***(S) and vice versa. Authorities came to correct it but just messed it up a different way. About 50% of people get it wrong. Thankfully my test route avoided it! Like you say just dont be alongside another vehicle.

@iallso1 6 месяцев назад

I enforce the parking portion of the Land Transport Act, and associated Road User Rules, I have studied the legislation snd after more than 6.5 years I know it pretty well. It amazes me that member of the general public think they know the rule better than I do, and are happy to argue that they are not breaking the law, when I know that I would not be interested in their vehicle if they were parked legally.

@ianashcroft6698 5 месяцев назад

I've recently learnt the hard way not to commit to an exit until the vehicle infront or near by me has taken the exit . As it turned out vehicle in lane 1 decided to chuck a u turn as myself in lane 2 as I went for the exit continuing along the same dual carriage way . Luckily she only clipped my rear and I managed to stay up . Learn something new every day .

@RoadcraftNottingham 5 месяцев назад

Yes, it's a shame others can't learn by our experiences, but we can but try. Glad you're ok.

@paulelverstone8677 6 месяцев назад

Your upload was absolutely correct - just a shame that it's not obvious on the road. Well, it is obvious on the road but you have to look for it and people simply don't - they assume. And it's because they assume, you don't ride alongside them. Not all roundabouts are built alike...

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Drivers even sideswipe bikers at textbook roundabouts. This basic rule is one of the few generalisations I do actually follow. 🙂

@121MotoSkills 6 месяцев назад

Interesting vid Russ! It's a bit of a tricky one that as most road users will adopt the left lane to go straight on but this video really highlights the need to take in all the information, road markings included. Really useful video that will hopefully help folks to pay more attention to the road markings. Thanks Russ Warm regards Pete The Tartan Biker

@FREE_PUREBLOOD333 6 месяцев назад

Ayup..just started watching your channel. I like the crazy 13 exercises too. Just wish we had the same huge empty car parks that Greg (Motojitsu) has in San Diego.

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Irrespective of the technically ignorant, incorrect comments, if this saves a biker, my job has been successful. Good to hear from you. 🙂

@121MotoSkills 6 месяцев назад

@@FREE_PUREBLOOD333 thanks kindly. Haven't got many vids but will be popping more up soon. I like motojitsu for the slow speed info but not keen on his road riding tips which is encouraging racing line use.

@121MotoSkills 6 месяцев назад

@@RoadcraftNottingham absolutely Russ. Sometimes you won't know the individuals you've helped but just know that your content is massively helpful and the reasonable amongst us are all ears 👂 😊

@medler2110 6 месяцев назад

So many drivers seem unable to read road markings on roundabouts, even ones they probably use everyday, and they are also unable to stay within the road markings. At 3:11 I'd say going into the hatched area means far less likely to be rear ended by a vehicle going straight.

@user-fv1576 6 месяцев назад

I saw the criticism. ROSPA boy here. The Short wasn’t clear btw… too short ! 🤭this video , the clip was better , plus other photos make it easy to understand. Wonder if asked the highways would change the road markings ? Keep up the good work .

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Thanks, I doubt they'd listen. 🙃

@gogathome 6 месяцев назад

Makes perfect sense to me anyway 👍

@taxus750 6 месяцев назад

Like a few others in the comments, I don't watch "shorts", so I've missed the arguments. From what I've seen here, the Bini went for the second exit from the wrong (left) lane. Yes, you were planning an entirely legal overtake but you knew better than to assume others' intentions.

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Yes, there's never any harm having a backup plan, mine was to wait a few seconds.

@Almightyrastus 6 месяцев назад

2:45 hey, you can almost see my house from there!! hehe. I didn't see the original video but as soon as I saw the title to this one, that island came straight to mind. That is the island that I see a LOT of poor lane discipline on, mainly from people going straight on from the left hand lane and cutting over into the right lane on the island instead of following the lane around. It is the island that also taught me the sense of keeping to the lane when driving that way, seen a lot of near misses and had a few myself when turning right into Aldi with people going straight on but cutting me off as mentioned above. These are also the sort of conditions that taught me smooth driving, my first car was a 1961 Land Rover with poor brakes (drums all around with no assist), had to learn how to use gears properly with that one...

@plebtron 6 месяцев назад

I've actually been hit by a car doing exactly that , ignoring road markings and attempting to go around a traffic island from the left-hand lane of three. I was fortunate, wasn't on my bike that day and my Volvo 940 proved to be much tougher than a min convertible. Drier wasn't indicating to go right either.

@timsteventon9446 6 месяцев назад

I think road planners need to take some responsibility here too. The centre lane marked to go straight on would be better marked to turn right, as the the second lane filters into the first lane soon after anyway. Just make lane one sweep round to go straight on maybe? In other words, there's 3 exits to that roundabout and 3 lanes approaching, surely arrow one lane for each exit.

@deauvilledad07 6 месяцев назад

We have had a new road built around part of Norwich. The lane discipline by some drivers is awful. The design of some of the roundabouts encourages some drivers to straight line them. So I'm always aware the that the other road users WON'T do as they are expected. 🤓. Love your videos, keep up the good work and ride well 🤓

@MrMandown46 6 месяцев назад

Have to do this roundabout every single day, you're absolutely correct. It's always been a bad roundabout for people cutting it, it's honestly too sharp a lane for the speed that traffic goes over it, needs a redesign. If it was a single lane for exit 1, then a second lane for exit 2 and 3 onto the park you'd have more room to reduce the cutting and the near misses that follow. Bad driving not helped by poor road design really. I don't watch the shorts but the mini couldn't have got it more wrong if they were deliberately trying to hit you.

@medler2110 6 месяцев назад

Looks like it has 2 lanes on the first exit because its the main route, maybe better to have a slip road for the first exit, then it could only be used to take that exit.

@MrMandown46 6 месяцев назад

@@medler2110 To be honest you just don't need 2 lanes there for the first exit. It's single lane all the way up from the previous major roundabout, then about 100m after this roundabout there's a brief section of 2 lane if you really needed to overtake something, but also 2 sets of traffic lights. This layout has always been problematic, and has only got worse with the building of a housing estate, pub/restaurant and supermarket off the second exit. 3rd exit is some offices and a hotel so is lightly used for the third lane.

@Rebecka_J 6 месяцев назад

This video illustrates the thing I most hate about roundabout, how badly they are signed. While there is a general rule for approach lanes, this is superseded by specific layouts and markings. But there is usually not enough information for this unless you have local knowledge. Even when there is more explicit information with destinations or numbers is usually only painted on the road rather than signed, so in traffic you only get to find out too late to safely use it. Not to mention it creating a potential hazard for bikes having big dollops of paint. Mind, none of that was the issue here. The car drive appeared to know which lane they needed on the roundabout,, so had no excuse for approaching wrongly. The roundabout sign made it clear that it they did not want the ahead exist on the left they would be making a very definite right turn. And the thick line for that first exit indicates it may have multiple exit lanes regardless of the road markings. But after all that, even if it was a mistake, there was no indication when changing lane. Absolutely awful driving.

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

What many commenters have also missed is that this bad driving isn't just at these vague-ish roundabouts, perfectly marked ones also have bad sat nav readers diving for another lane, all the more reason to not sit next to them and expect it happen.

@VStrom2019 6 месяцев назад

I understand and agree with all you said but I can very clearly see and understand why that car driver did what he did.

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Yes, happens on many good, well laid out roundabouts too. Same rule applies.

@LANKY123 6 месяцев назад

100% correct, you followed the tarmac arrows and indeed the lane markings, imho what muddies it is the apparently contradictory straight ahead arrows on a road exit that is clearly veering left (would it be better to have left turn arrows in those 2 lanes?). This is compounded by the roundabout board sign which shows the first exit as left and well before 12 o'clock. nevertheless none of that explains or excuses why the car was in the wrong lane.

@AW8UK 6 месяцев назад

A dichotomy....We are expected to faultlessly use roads with layout design faults.

@mickcorbett6724 6 месяцев назад

Really interesting video. Just an aside, what bike are you riding?

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

It's a CBR600 in the clip but a Zero SRS electric on the main upload.

@craigmcivor3034 6 месяцев назад

Use the appropriate lane on roundabouts and at intersections and turnoffs. Seen similar problems from new drivers here scared so they hug the lane near the roadside. Great until someone need to turn off and they get cut off and wonder why.

@douglasphillips1203 6 месяцев назад

Here in the states, most places have four-way stops rather than roundabouts, and a few places here in my town where they have placed roundabouts, people's heads tend to explode as they try and figure out that they want to do ... my motorcycle is down for the count right now, but I do the same thing as you do here when I'm driving my car - anticipate and assume the car is going to cut me off (or stop entirely)

@kevinmobile 6 месяцев назад

Thanks Russ, very informative. Much has been said about poor or fading road markings and the somewhat conflicting road signs - there's clearly plenty to go wrong here psychologically as the tries to brain make often rapid sense of it all. The mini in question could have further added to the risk by a second change of mind as it approached the exit or added significantly to the risk by say slowing down mid-course adding to a biker's risk with inattentive following drivers. Local knowledge and driver history clearly helps anticipate possible poor lane discipline as well as anticipating the squeeze of a quart into a pint pot at the lane 2/road exit. This pinch point which would not be obvious to those unfamiliar to the area with congestion yet further complicating matters. I could see that for say initial rider training purposes it might be safer to suggest the student sticks to lane 1!

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Agreed. Thanks for your comment.

@MrMandown46 6 месяцев назад

The road markings were repainted a few years ago, but trying to get the city council to fix the issue or deal with the potholes is impossible now. The mini made a completely lunatic move, even having driven that route myself for close to 20 years I would never have expected that. Cutting across into lane 2 to go exit 1 yes, all the time, but not a complete right turn!

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

@MrMandown46 That's exactly the point of this upload, to make people think, so I'm pleased it worked. Thanks for your comment. 🙂

@wobblysauce 6 месяцев назад

Yes, the main road was a left bend and the roundabout was added for the side road.

@tonybarton3746 6 месяцев назад

Used to live in a little place called Plymouth , which had a 4 lane roundabout with six exits. Absolute chaos as it also had traffic lights before every exit, best f thing I ever did was just slow down and take your time , the same as you suggested. Ps isn’t there a maximum speed limit on most roundabouts different to the roads coming on to them ? 😊👍

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Yes, SOME roundabouts have speed limit changes but it's difficult to generalise. Best just keep eyes open. 😊

@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne 6 месяцев назад

Lane discipline is a real issue on UK roads these days. As you correctly do, "anticipate, anticipate, anticipate". Little point being in hospital (or worse) thinking "I was in the right"...

@moa9151 6 месяцев назад

Didn't watch the short vid sorry, but fully appreciate the extra info here and the need to explain further (to those that are criticising but dont have the same valuable experience) However, I think we can all identify with the road layout / Markings mentioned here on roads near to us. That approach to the roundabout, clearly needs an update from the local authority. The left hand lane Should only have a left hand marker. Even if it saves 1 life its worthwhile.

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Deffo, also happens on perfect roundabouts, so the message is still a valid one. Nice to know this upload will probably help someone.

@Christian-ve1wi 6 месяцев назад

The mini should not move from their lane to the right, the far left lane is only for going straight ahead. The next lane is for straight ahead and to the right. Left lane for left at roundabouts unless road marking dictate otherwise.. That's my understanding so as Russ states anticipate people cutting you up and viola exactly that . 1:22 Now to watch the rest of Russ's video to see what he has to say 😊

@Grahamvfr 6 месяцев назад

It's unfortunate Russ that your valuable message was diluted due to that particular roundabout's (and I'm being kind) marking ambiguity. Still a valuable lesson there though 👍

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Yes, many missed the original point(s) but maybe it's for the best as it squeezed another upload from me.

@brendanmccabe8769 6 месяцев назад

Agreed that your are stricktly speaking correct and the Mini driver in your original video was wrong the bigger problem is the road markings and signage making this an accident waiting to happen and I've seen similar at many roundabouts where one or more of the lanes don't really form part of the roundabout structure. It's a roundabout that's not a roundabout. This would be bad enough if the driver was local but if this was a person unfamiliar with the area then it's no surprise that this happens. For instance why is it not clearly signed that this lane MUST take the first exit and NOT enter the island proper? Why does this lane have a broken line between it and the adjacent lane? This should be as minimum a solid line and better still a reservation ideally using a kerbed separation. Unfortunately this is not unique.

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Add to this though that I've seen people cut others up at very well marked roundabouts too. The whole point is never to sit next to cars and expect this to happen. I'm still here for exactly that reason. 😊

@snappycattimesten 6 месяцев назад

Maybe a solid line marking for left lane? Cars must hit each other frequently there.

@daddystu7046 6 месяцев назад

Yes that left lane shouldn't have a dash on the entry to the roundabout and should be a solid lane line if the roundabouts around my place are anything to go by.

@S.teve. 6 месяцев назад

Evening Russ , It gets better MA52 RZK has "NOT" been Taxed or MOT'd for a long time .

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Original upload was about 2011

@S.teve. 6 месяцев назад

😂👍@@RoadcraftNottingham

@AIBETTSYIA75 6 месяцев назад

I'm overly cautious on all roundabouts now. Near me they built a new dual carriageway way with multiple roundabouts and so many people cut them they had to paint the lanes all the way around... people still cut them so I take them extra carefully assuming everyone will cut them. Seems people pass their test and just do what they want. Can't even indicate when coming off a roundabout let alone on it.

@medler2110 6 месяцев назад

You can use your horn just to warn another road user of your presence, does work wonders, although I'd still be wary of getting too close. Are you in Norfolk and talking about the NDR?

@AIBETTSYIA75 6 месяцев назад

@@medler2110 yeah the NDR I have beeped all too many times on it haha on the bike and in the car

@Anvilshock 6 месяцев назад

Shorts are for suckers of corporate fads. Not watching those on principle. The rest of us have eyes arranged correctly side by side in their heads. And landscape, the thing you're riding through, is, surprise, in landscape format. That's why our vision is peripheral, because that's where most of visual information exists. I don't need videos where 60 % of the frame is either sky or fuel tank. So, glad you saw need for enough explanation that it couldn't fit into fad format anymore.

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

😅..I agree. The reason I do shorts is to get a basic point across.. which I obviously, ironically, didn't. 😅

@Griff_JR 6 месяцев назад

I was always taught that the roundabout signs indicate straight on as pin straight vertical at the 12 o'clock, then left of that and right of that is left and right. But either way, whether that is left or straight on in this situation is a mute point I would say.... As the only other exit is definitively a Right, and even without signs for straight on there is no way the far left lane would be for turning right. I always thought I was becoming a more aware driver and rider with each year. But I think now it's just a lot easier to anticipate what people will do....which is "everything wrong". So I just presume, like with the mini, they will be: Not indicating, or indicating incorrectly In the wrong lane Not looking Unaware of others and probably have no clue what some of the buttons in their car actually do. And 99% of the time I'm right 😂

@tonyknowler3055 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for your video 😂

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

No problem 😊

@xt225 6 месяцев назад

You can be correct but it still hurts as much.

@cp4512 6 месяцев назад

Brilliant defensive riding by motorcyclist. Mini driver drove terribly and would have hit you if you hadn’t expected them to be dangerous. Mini driver should be awarded points for dangerous driving.

@Paradox0182 6 месяцев назад

I think it's insane that we have to roads where something dangerous happenings is more than likely than something safe happening due to weird design decisions. Are the rules about how road makings area designed published? Are there such rules that are supposed to be universally applied or is it made up as they go along?

@NBMoto547 6 месяцев назад

If you still think I'm wrong shut up 😂😂😂

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

😅😅😅

@pixe1refr35h 6 месяцев назад

"If you still think I'm wrong, shut up" 😅😂

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

😅 Glad you liked that, 😅

@daddystu7046 6 месяцев назад

@@RoadcraftNottingham Refreshing to see some personality!

@keithogden1770 6 месяцев назад

@ItsBeenDanBefore 6 месяцев назад

Irrelevant of the stupid comments made by other people, I think one thing we can agree on is the shocking use of signage and road markings, it's like the planners were never going to use that road and said "fuck it, that'll do". Same as a lot of my local haunts, the A303 has a notorious roundabout that was poorly signposted for about 10 years that has had a recent change in markings and signs, but people use both lanes to go around the roundabout to merge onto a single lane

@paullee6663 6 месяцев назад

Mini driver was probably trying to dodge all the potholes 😉 Sorry, just kiddin... I can see why folks interpreted the 'Short' differently though. Did a fork seal on roads like that earlier in the year, just wondering if your bikes take a beating on Nottinghams roads because of the lack of maintenance. I see on one of your other halfs videos a guy failed his test solely on not using the bus lane when it was available despite there being no other traffic present, I'm curios as why this is a 'Fail' on it's own? Just trying to learn and understand, why is that a 'Major Fault'?

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

I always like to get the full picture. Maybe there was more to the story, maybe the examiner didn't explain correctly, maybe the student didn't listen properly after hearing he'd not passed. I personally have questioned an examiner after a disgruntled student told me why he'd failed and got a totally different story from the examiner. There's also a small possibility the examiner didn't like the fact the student had no idea he could use the lane. I tend not to question decisions anymore as the examiner is a biker usually and it's easier to write a pass cert than a failure essay.

@adivarso8175 6 месяцев назад

Fail to see how a driver in his mini ignoring road markings and lane discipline translates to ----it's the motorcyclists fault!

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

Exactly, that makes it a multiple problem, firstly the mini didn't read the road properly which happens, exactly why I waited and secondly, how many people on here with full licences still think I shouldn't have been there in lane 2 showing how much more vulnerable riders like me are because of people not reading the lanes. Thanks.

@adivarso8175 6 месяцев назад

That roundabout is a "bear left" style roundabout , the Mini is in the wrong lane, lets take the motorcycle out of the equation and put a 17,5 tonne rigid lorry there instead intending to go right from your position,, then it all begins to make perfect sense. I'd say the driver saw you and cut you up people expect the motorcyclist to sit in the left whilst the mini ignores the clearly marked right turn arrows on the approach to the roundabout..Well done for reading that eejits mind it's literally what saved the day@@RoadcraftNottingham

@martinowl 6 месяцев назад

Nothing wrong with your lane position, it was spot on for your exit route. Numpty drivers, who don’t read the road are the issue. Again your experience warned you to be aware of what may happen.

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

I wouldn't give him that much credit 😆 I tell my trainees if I had to choose I'd rather be behind someone choosing to drive like an idiot than someone who completely unaware.

@steveneastland4128 6 месяцев назад

Roundabouts are notorious for poor judgment by drivers

@user-ek7mq8up5q 6 месяцев назад

I always look forward to your videos. They provide valuable information about decision making on our roads. However, in this instance I can see no point in you being in the middle lane. You knew that the car in the inside lane was likely to cut across you and so you were, quite rightly, never going to overtake it. Why then did you not use the left hand lane and follow the car? When the car incorrectly continued around the roundabout you could have turned left - which was of course actually straight ahead and never been in any danger of being sideswiped by the car. It’s almost as if you put yourself in harms way in order to demonstrate the car driver’s poor road positioning. I accept that you were aware of the possible dangers presented by the car driver’s poor driving and so were ready to take any necessary action to avoid a collision but what would have happened if another car had suddenly appeared behind the first car and cut across the lane as well? You’d have been unable to turn off the roundabout where you wanted to without taking some drastic action. Sorry, but in this case I think that the left hand lane would always be the safest choice. Please keep the videos coming.

@RoadcraftNottingham 6 месяцев назад

I understand your thinking. My plan was to overtake if the car had correctly stayed in L1 and taken the first exit as 99% of cars do. Of course, I dont have a crystal ball and could never guarantee he'd have turned across me like he did but my backup plan worked. 2 seconds later, I'd have been past him and up to 60mph.