No, there shouldn’t been any addition of instrument or vocals in the post processing of a live video. This is exactly why with live videos during the 80’s each song was the best version from a whole 6 or 12 month tour.
Sorry to destroy your illusion but overdubbing was totally a thing back then... even the Beatles did that on live albums and even recorded full tracks afterwards which then were mixed with ambient noise from concerts. The Doors declared on their 1970 live album "Absolutely Live" (lol!) that they AREN'T using overdubs because it was already industry standard.
I heard this song last year live in Hamburg and he played it right. And as somebody said, if you listen to it very closely, you can actually hear the double bass right...pro shot is just enhanced. Also I think there is problem with compression on his kick, because I saw him use left leg and it didnt make sound sometimes...like his trigger setting was weak.
Metallica have been in a maintenance program for many years now. Modern tech will keep them going for some years to come, even more if they go down the avatar route like KISS.
I'm absolutely aware there's no rock/pop act these days who don't "polish" in post. The word "fake" is not correct since he still plays the part, but he starts with an accented first note, or he flams it. Kicks are not even and the downbeat is accented. Post they use kick sample and quantize every bar. The same is done in the studio. Is it good or bad? It goes both ways. From business perspective I'd say that's the better way to represent artists image among fans. My personal (non business) oppinion - no, I'd preffer to represent myself for who I am, that's why I record my covers as stereo track, no postproduction, so everyone who hires me knows exactly what he is paying for. But in the end I'm just nobody, so my concept is wrong ;)
Good call! It‘s a spicy topic that can be discussed until the end of mankind. They use triggers/samples heavily also live these days but they crank it up a notch in post in comparison to live. I think I said it in the video, if you polish stuff to the amount where you sound better than in your prime, I‘m not so happy about it. It‘s just my opinion. You have totally valid points! 💯🤝
I'm fine with it tbh. Saw them in August 2023 and Leper sounded amazing live. Sounds amazing in the RU-vid videos as well even if they are doctored up a bit
These guys got to rest and recupe during Covid. Lars may have decided to hone his drumming. Saw an interview where he describes his current diet that is ultra healthy. No more Lars getting smashed all the time.
I have direct experiece: attended the show in Milan and the performance from all of them was really not professional. Period. During lux aeterna the bass drum was barely audible. Then they uploaded the pro shot of that song live in Milan and in the video the bass drum is perfect, loud, clear and fast. All post processed. I bought the ticket cause after years I watched a bounch of those pro.shot videos and I thought "their live shows are still pretty damn good". They basically tricked me. The Milan show in paricular was really disappointing
I think this is a problem with how media is consumed these days. You were lucky to get a live VHS/DVD of your favourite band back in the day, now its every other day or week were there will be live footage released. As someone has already mentioned, the best takes would be compiled from the whole tour and then cut with pro shot footage from 2 performances. Everyone is a critic too these days and a certain level of perfection has been made to be expected (which i wholeheartedly dislike!) Everything has to be on the grid otherwise its ''Rubbish''...Ultimatley the over processing takes the energy and vibe away Excellent video man, and completely agree! \m/
Ya, I'll be the 1st to know when the Dr up a vid from Foxborough, Mass. I was listening and watching. I've never heard him pull off a perfect double bass pattern. Not hating on him, just saying.
Yes you're right, as a professional drummer myself, I use to play for Byzantine, and we did many polyrhythms in our songs. And even with me they were NEVER perfect, and the drummer who took my place in the band. Used lots of post processing to make it more precise. I don't like doing that, personally. I just played it live and if it were sloppy it was. No big deal for me. And i'm certainly BETTER than Lars (not bragging, he's a big influence), but still lol. I mean listen to how he plays ONE, it's never perfect like that, not even back in the old days. Which is how I prefer it. I hope they don't start Motley CRU-ING or KISS-ING on us. With fake stuff all the time, uggh. Nice shirt, love my cats!!
idk, I think he's playing it to be honest. Yes they are definitely using some post production magic, but i gotta give credit where credit is due. He may be playing that clean for once. just from y own experience, triggers (assuming he is even using some) are a bitch to get perfect live even for the pros. if he isn't using triggers the kick sound is going to just sound like mush.
Kann schon verstehen, dass sie manche Dinge nachbearbeiten aber eigentlich heißt ja live, live! nothing Else Matters in Hamburg hatte einen ordentlichen Fehler im Intro, als James einstieg, das hat man auf der CD bearbeitet🙈🤣
You are overthinking it. When I'm at a show and I'm feeling it, I'll be headbanging and not thinking what doesn't sound right. BTW, I don't mind what they do since Metallica is one of the few bands that give us the fans a chance to buy the live performance of their shows we have been at, so I expect to sound good.
Totally on your side. So when I go to a show and decide to buy the live performance I‘ve been at, I want it with all the fuck ups that actually happened on that day.
Is this serious video - using phone recording as proof, does not seem so intelligent to jump to conclusion like that. His legs seem to move correctly on the video. Sound live is pretty poor in some locations, I have been to many concerts, and speakers are not mixing all the instruments well. At some places you cannot hear James' guitar at all, or Kirk's. Live audio engineers did very poor job with this circle stage, sound is very bad if you are close to the stage.
@@clabeauxdave8709 Did you not read my comment? I heard Lepper Messiah live many times. Lars plays double bass well there. Check this, you can see/hear ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NVfiMjKUGQA.html
@@jules8876 it's kind of funny that everytime some dude tries to defend lars' live performances ends up showing how little they know about drumming and/or how bad their musical ear is
@@crov43 I mean it's been clear as day since the early 90s. There was that legendary interview where the interviewer asked James: "Is Lars the best drummer in the world?" and James' reply was: "Lars isn't even the best drummer in Metallica". And wouldn't ya know who won the pony, James told the truth.
Comparing a shitty iPhone 12 audio recording to their own official audio recording will always, inevitably, sound different. The bass response of a phones microphone will never be able to pick everything out, hence the glaringly obvious poor audio. I was in Madrid just a matter of 2 or 3 weeks ago, watching them on their 2nd night. I was able to watch them and enjoy seeing them playing some of my favourite songs and not once did i feel like anyone was faking anything
@@keveb4724 Denial is one of the steps, you'll get it some day. Also how do you not know about mixing and fixing stuff in post? It's 2024. Lars was last able to play properly almost 30 years ago. It's okay to accept reality.
Wow!! What a NOTICABLE difference. And you are right, both are good. But as a musician, I understand Lars wanting the live videos to be perfect. They are forever. And now that you mention it, I totally hear that auto tune on James. But once again, I totally understand. In their minds, the fans expect perfection.
Yeah I don't know if this the band or just a production engineers decision but it fucking sucks when you know the actual performance was quite different. Not even a difficult part to play either so he really has no excuse. And if he wants to change and simplify then ok, would rather that than hearing manipulated live performances. Seems he has learnt the double in one though, so maybe he will do it with leper Messiah if there's enough of these videos
“This is not a Lars bashing video” well it’s definitely not a Hetfield bashing video 🤣 Lars is the Nikki Sixx of Metallica. They can’t play their instrument well but they’re the shit at writing a good tune and have good business acumen.
Wenn es so offensichtlich gemacht wird, finde ich es amüsant bis bemitleidenswert :D Ansonsten habe ich lieber mal einen krummen Ton oder einen versemmelten Schlag auf ner Liveaufnahme. Bei Lars bzw. Metallica wird das dann allerdings schon schwer genießbar - da würde ich auch nie auf ein Konzert gehen, weil es mich echt zu sehr stören würde so oft wie die sich verspielen. Am Ende des Tages kriegt man den besten Liveeindruck natürlich auch nie auf Aufnahmen, sondern eben live vor Ort. Und wer schon mal Rohmixe vom Soundboard gehört hat, weiß wieso man sowas nicht verkaufen kann, selbst bei Topstars nicht ;)
Ich als die hard Metallica fan, habe zig Bootlegs rumfliegen und ich liebe die SBD Mitschnitte. Gut, kommerziell verkauft hätte ich die auch nicht, aber die Energie der Band fand ich da immer besser, als die polierten Aufnahmen, die es käuflich in den regulären Handel schafften.
Really, Eric, is this the best we could hire?! Entourage did way less than Kickass 1&2. Maybe I was tired of Bruce Dickinson, too, honey. People is stupid. I don't know. Namastè.
5% chance hes actually doing that. He pretty much stopped double bass accurately in like 1990. Personally, I'd rather they make mistakes than your post-processing at a concert or whatever. I want to see musicians at their most raw, does that make sense??
I do, too. But I've seen Metallica live like 9 times in the last 5 years. Some nights he is more on than others, but as a fellow musician of well over thirty years, I've been pretty impressed with their performances. Yes, they clean up in post, but they are not terrible live. They may not be as tight as they once were but they still have plenty of magic moments throughout their live show. They are not peak, but on their worst night they are still better than most. They still play/sing every bar for 2 hours. Most major modern acts don't even try.
There’s bands like Motley Crue actually faking/recorded tracks, which in the entire music industry (not just rock/metal) is very frowned upon. Then Lars just playing it differently or easier/lazier is faking it??!! Common we all know you just did that to attract the large community of Lars haters to the video😂
Its too bad he built us up on the originality and energy just to find out later the originality was ripping off Mercyful Fate and the energy was coke 😭😂
