Lars Ulrich, like, talks about an incident were he like, yelled at Nikki Sixx and Tommy Lee in 1982. Also featured is Stephen P from RATT, who like, talks about James Hetfield. + More stuff.
@@guitarofdestiny I love the song. Not saying its not good. Its kind of hard rock. Maybe touching on metal. The thing is is that Bon Jovi has so many songs that aren't metal so I guess I don't really consider it metal. I like the song don't get me wrong. I don't think Bon Jovi considers his music metal either. I saw an interview in which he said they were not a metal band but a rock band with some heavier songs.
Lol , he’s like a priest , of course he’s going to be nice , Dave Mustaine is Thrash Metal , James and Lars are Keith and mick of mainstream radio pop metal ... lol , or how tough James and Lars were Running away from Nikki Sixx !?!? BAHAHAHAHAHHA pussies
I remember the early 80's was dominated by Motley Crue, Ratt, Wasp, Iron Maiden and Priest. The late 80's had a kind of split between "radio" metal like Warrent, Skid Row, Firehouse, and White Lion. Then Thrash got popular with Metallica, Slayer, Tetament, Death Angel, Anthrax and bands like that.
+Young Sandwich Yeah. You are absolutely right. They blew up the radio waves at the time. Guns & Roses and Metallica just about dominated everyone in the late 80's.
I like the music but hate how thrash started the whole elitist "our metal is the only metal" mindset that has now carried on to all the insufferable fanboys of various extreme subgenres we have to deal with now.
i like both bands but its not like motley crue ever called themselves metal it was the media who said they where heavy metal but in every interview they say their just a rock band.
its funny because metallica didnt stay true to metal and basically turned into a rock band their first 4 albums and garage days(best sounding album even though it was covers)were great and after the black album( i thought it was okay but not old metallica) pure garbage
haha seriously thank god nikki never got ahold of ulrich... metallica and motley wouldve never been the same (ulrich dead and nikki carrying a life sentence)
True story. So my family is friends with Pamela Anderson's family *Her mom and my grandmother are friends* and when my mom and uncle met Tommy and Nikki. My Uncle was wearing a Slayer shirt and Tommy was giving my uncle the stink eye the whole time at least that's what my Uncle thinks, maybe it was because Tommy was flirting with my mom right in front of Pam and my mom wasn't flirting back but who knows. Nikki on the other hand was nice. He showed my Uncle Deftones for the first time
@@misfitdanzig8152 its funny when you think about it. The worst Metallica albums ever, where made when Bob rock was with them (black album, load, reload, st anger) as soon as Bob rock left they started finding their way again (kinda)
I absolutely love Stephens opinion on it! 'Aren't we one big metal family? NO!' hahaha! I've never been into the trash scene much myself, more into the glam side, but all n all it was a great time for music!
I will say one more thing about Motley, you have to remember they came around at a time when MTV was all synth pop, Motley Crue, kept rock&roll seedy and disreputable, at a time when it wasn't all that easy. the PMRC loathed them, which is a big bonus in my book.
As someone who is not only a huge thrasher but also enjoys Ratt, Motley Crue, and Def Leppard, im happy to see that they are on good terms nowadays and are just kicking it and enjoying life.
Ironic that Lars hates on Motley Crüe so much, since years later they plopped a copy of Dr. Feelgood on Bob Rock's desk, saying they wanted the black album to sound like that.
+Kenneth Sutton that really says more about the talent of Bob Rock and not a lot about Dr Feelgood tbh fam. But I love both bands, but they are different in both genre and goals.
+Kenneth+ Brainless or just under pressure to write something? He was 19!!! in 1982. And just honest 20y later (especially for you, he looked just backwards).
tlfilms you aren't listening to the right bands. It's the absolute same thing that's happening today. All the popular bands (Attila, Sleeping with Sirens, Asking Alexandria, Falling in Reverse) are complete shit to the underground, the REAL new age metal (ERRA, Angel Vivaldi, Monuments, The Sorrow, Within the Ruins, TesseracT, Textures, Walking Across Jupiter, Fallujah, Rings of Saturn, Dreamshade, Auras, After the Burial, Circle of Contempt, etc.)
KINGPORTH Yea i understand there are good bands from those genres but those bands to me are like motley true where I think thats a good glam band. The rest just suck
people always assume i listen to death metal, it's always death-metal, like wtf is that the only sub genre of heavy metal? holy shit i hardly listen to death metal, black metal is more muh jam
Compare Motley Crue, Ratt and Winger to Pitbull, Lil Wayne, 2 Chainz, etc. Enough said. Don't complain about commercial metal. The commercial shit of today is a billion times worse. At least people required some ability to sing, play guitar, drums, etc. when it came to glam metal. In modern commercial music, hip hop/EDM crap, all you need is a shitty meaningless bunch of words (as long as they are catchy) and a simple hip house beat produced by some random person who usually goes uncredited. You would give your left nut to hear Motley Crue on commercial radio again and you know it.
Modern commercial rap arguably requires very little artistic/musical skill (although those guys are masters at marketing), but I wouldn't lump EDM with it. Some of those guys know music theory inside and out and are very skilled at digitally putting together music that would probably take you years of learning and experience to do yourself. Also, many old people complained about metal in the 80's as just being a bunch of tuneless noise that only required screaming and guitar wanking with no actual requirement of being able to write a song. Obviously that wasn't true, but you're saying the same shit about electronic music. If you wanna be mad at the lack of solid commercial rock today, look no further than the rise of sad rock during the 90's and its continuation in teh 00's. Nirvana (and Teen Spirit in particular) was a Trojan Horse that ended up ushering in a new wave of downer, hipster indie rock that caused kids with any sense to jump ship and hop onto rap and eventually EDM. Only giant fuckin losers want to consistently hear narcissistic woe-is-me professional victim music (especially music made by rich assholes who actually have it really well). Blame the lack of commercial rock and metal and the dominance of rap and EDM on that shit. The music world would look very different indeed if Andrew Wood never died and Mother Love Bone ended up being the giant Seattle band to break instead of Nirvana (and doubly positive since that would also mean no Pearl Jam/no Eddie Vedder).
I'm a thrash guy myself but I've always found the "poser" accusation against glam disingenuous... the older you get (I'm 34 now) the more you see the sheer amount of posing and conformity involved in thrash as well...
I've always seen that attitude as a way to distance themselves from the other bands of the era and set themselves apart. A sort of branding, to establish the "metallica" brand as something above and apart from the glut of other dime a dozen underground metal bands aspiring for fame. But part of it too is a definite rejection of excess and the poppy lyrics about breakup and sex that were common themes. Metallica and other thrash bands stayed true to the doomy, melancholic tone of Sabbath, while also adding original ideas and themes. They pretty much did their own thing and didn't care for trends. They're the proverbial "bad boy" who doesn't play by the rules.
I love Motley Crue, and I like Metallica.. If I'm in the mood for something aggressive and fast, I throw on some metallica, if I'm feeling something crunchy and sleazy, I listen to motley crue. So there, why not listen to both? they both wrote great metal songs in different ways. Why only enjoy and stick to one style when there are so many different types of metal? At the end Stephen Pearcy said "aren't we one big metal family?" FUCK YES!!! it's all METAL \m/
Thrash was formed in response to the 1980's glam era, which imo, kind of dooms it's legitimacy as a genre, cos it's formed on the premise that you cant do this, that or the other; you have to play fast and scream, it is very much a formula in the same way many thrash metal heads claim glam to be, you have your dress codes and musical requirements; sounds alot like glam doesn't it? Thrash is only different from glam cosmetically, but at it's core it's a parallel.
I think glam/hair bands have a lot more appeal if you think of them as “rock” and not as metal. Bands like Motley Crue and whitesnake had a lot of sweet instrumentals, and Nikki sixx in particular was a great lyricist. The singing I could understand not always being a fan of, especially since Motley Crue was only good live for a couple years out of their entire career because of vince
+Django Münchhausen first off, it's a meaningless question because you can't quantify "as good as" or "better than" in a subjective topic like this. there was a period of time when metal had commercial success, but whether or not it's popular that has nothing to do with the quality of music. good music will survive whether a genre is popular or it's underground. when it's underground you just have to look harder. pallbearer, windhand, occultation, high on fire, aura noir.. all great metal bands that are "newer" across a few genres.
Then it turns out the real posers were Metallica who came out and did everything they said they were against..... music videos, ballads, commercial radio, cutting off all our hair.
Bruh the black album was great. You gonna tell me the unforgiven, wherever I may roam, the god that failed and sad but true weren't masterpieces of rock?!
Musical grace = melodic, harmonic vocals & guitar playing. The more these elements are emphasized - the more graceful the music will be. Concerning metal, you can be heavy & graceful. You just need to know how to combine them well to make good, catchy, appealing music as glam bands so often did. Dokken - being one of my favorites - are such a good example of this. They've been sometimes heavy and sometimes soft, but consistently melodic and harmonic throughout. That is good metal music I think.
At the end of the day, isn't it just marketing? Metallica wasn't marketing themselves as that same type of rock/metal so they had to badmouth the genre that was their competition to distinguish themselves. Hair/glam metal was very very popular at the time and being shown on MTV(no internet at the time). Thrash/speed metal wasn't getting any airplay.
Nikki sixx loved lou reed and the velvet underground, metallica I dont even know if they even knew who he was. I dont see metallica being into lou reed or the new york dolls lol.
@@pepintechnlogy7965 bro, at early 80s if anyone told Nikki that motley is a heavy metal band, nikki would punched him straight in the face...Nikki want to do a rock and roll band with a punk attitude and heavy sound ...and guess what..that what motley fn crue was all about!
That’s not what he said , he said him and James insulted Motley Crüe , and Nikki changed them away , unless you think Sixx ONLY chased Ulrich and left James ?? Sixx was a rowdy Heroine addict , he would have killed James too and James knows that , That’s why they ran , there piss brat
You know what I got out of that? Stephen Pearcy aged fine! Also, my son should really learn to log out, so he doesn't sound like he's openly admiring Stephen Pearcy every time his mom watches a video with him in it.
Ironically James Hetfield would constantly go see Motley Crue in the early Too fast for Love club days. "They were good for a total hair band". As for your other point, Metallica received the recognition they did because 'Hair' or 'Glam' bands were mainstream 'Metal' acts in the eye of the media and MTV. They increased people's awareness of all metal. Therefore, when Metallica made a big mainstream impact with the black album and caught a larger audience they became the big name they are today.
@@michaelhudson2912 why not man? I love Glam metal and Hard Rock, my favourite band is Bon Jovi, i love Motley fucking crue, Cinderella, Dokken,WASP e.t.c.. and guess what? I love ALSO many thrash bands mostly Anthrax, slayer, kreator, sodom... The days of the so called metal police are passed..now we need to be united cause rock and metal are in danger by modern stupid and talentless genres like trap, modern rap and shit
It was a difrent time back then But now when we look back you cant say Glam and Hair Metal are bad They made some of the greatest solos, riffs and songs overall in the history of Metal If you ask me we shouldnt fight a war against ourselves Both Thrash and Glam are true metal
Even back then it made no sense. None of the thrash guys hated Van Halen or AC/DC or Ozzy or even Def Leppard for that matter, yet they hated all these LA bands who sounded very similar to them (I mean pre-Bon Jovi glam) but also wore spandex and hairspray. I don't think they hated the music as much as they hated men looking like that, and men getting more girls than them. Seems like the problem with the thrash guys was a combination of homophobia and insecurity about their own masculinity.
i saw metallica in a small club in massachusetts in 1983. a great metal band called raven opened up for them. there was only about 100 people there that night, it was great. i saw every metal band back then, 80s kicked ass.!!
Ozzy didn't contribute hardly any lyrics to Sabbath even by his own admission. That goes for his entire career. Great singer but no talent for writing. Geezer Butler wrote 95 % of the Sabbath Lyrics so actually Butler & Iommi are the Lennon McCartney
It's funny how Lars seems to be bragging about running away from a fight. "I ran my mouth, and then I ran away so I wouldn't get my ass kicked. I was so badass." Metallica got me into metal, and I was anti-glam myself. Then just a few years ago, long after glam metal ended, I revisited it and found that some of it wasn't so bad. I'm not about to defend Poison or Cinderella, but there were a few bands that put out decent stuff, Motley Crue included, as well as W.A.S.P., early Def Leppard, and even Skid Row.
+John Riddles Heh, yeah glam metal had its points. Pour some sugar on me and others. Fun crazy party songs, though thanks to cocaine they often didnt have much of a bottom end. But i think Lars was making fun of himself and fighting in general.
+Thewise one If the radio stations didn't play hair bands, they would have just played more new wave/synth-pop or some other crap. It's not like every Def Leppard album sold was one less Candlemass album sold. "Real metal" doesn't get less popular when more commercial forms of metal are popular. If anything, the opposite is true. Some of the genre's fans moved on to other trends or still listen to hair bands today, but I'm sure some graduated to the real thing. It's not like metalheads listen to Jute Gyte and Crimson Massacre from Day 1. You need to work your way up to that. The hair bands were gateway bands. Gateway bands, as crappy as they can be, are ultimately good for metal.
You do know that Glam Metal was also an underground metal scene in the early 80's. It wasn't until the mid to late 80's as Glam "Metal" acts like Poison, Warrent, Cinderella, etc, would be a more popular demand in the radio airwaves and in MTV, overshadowing actual Glam Metal acts like W.A.S.P., Dokken, Icon, etc, who actually try to work hard to at least attain some mainstream success like the other First Wave G.M. bands like Crue, Quit Riot (early 80's), and Ratt. To break it down to you: First wave of Glam = Traditional metal influences with glam looks Second wave of Glam = Glam looks with no traditional metal influences
I was told that in the 80s, James Hetfield went to a young Dimebag Darrell's (at the time called Diamond Darrell) and spat on his Bon Jovi poster. Can anybody confirm or deny this?
I'm a song guy, the song as a whole comes before technical prowess. It doesn't really matter how quick and precise a person is on an instrument if they can't turn that ability into musical rhythm. I feel that a guitarist with a stronger grasp on song writing as a whole will always have a leg up on a guitarist who's solely technical.
Not really. Such a guitar player might have a better chance at massive commercial success but the technical guy has a much better chance at putting food on the table.
motley crue are posers they spent the entire 80's defending the 'pentagram' on their album cover then in the 1990's when they re-issued the cd they changed the cover getting rid of the pentagram so they can sell their albums at 'family friendly' walmart. They also dressed like transgender hookers.
That is coming from a guy who's in a band that sold out to metal, their concerts mainly consist of music from the first 4 albums, the latter albums are all college campus pop metal
@spookykid94 .... Do your homework. Metallica came on to the scene well before Slayer. After Metallica gave Dave Mustaine the boot, Kerry King was in Megadeth for a few moments. Slayer definitely made their point but not before Metallica
I love both Metallica and Mötley Crue. The both bands released some great stuff back in the 80's. But today, if the both bands released a new album, I would rather buy the Crue album.
David Catanus Annihilator! They were a great band. I was also into a band called Laaz Rockit you don't hear much about. They even had a couple videos on MTV. Well, Headbanger's Ball.
Punkin Pie Jones yeah they're definitely badass. Jeff waters is a beast on guitar too and was actually asked to join megadeth twice. Oh, and I also missed out voivod, exciter, anvil, razor and sacrifice too; more great bands from Canada \m/
dude that would be the best concert in the world, I was just thinkin about that the other day how awesome it would be to see Motley Crue and W.A.S.P. on the same bill, I don't think that's ever happened before has it?
I Love Ellefson's comment "Everytime they came out with a record, it was just miles ahead of where everybody else was. Lars and James are Mick and Keith of metal."
I still think Too Fast for Love is the Ultimo everyman's rock album. Clever? No. Self-aware? Probably not. Musically accomplished? Hardly. Fun? Fuck yes. I can imagine when that album comes out and done ripped jeans-wearing kid sees the attitude embodying cover. He turns that on, hears the almost punk-like riff of Live Wire and it's exactly what he's looking for. It's not metal but I never got the impression that Crüe were posers. Not to the degree of Quiet Riot, Poison, and Warrant at least.
