@@jamesconnors4297well sorry to say , but it’s not much what you say it is or it’s not. The professionals seem to say it is , and they have the tools to prove it.
@@cincyfanjunglecity9871One “professional “ said she believes it’s him but that doesn’t mean it is. She also said they have matching teeth but the new photo isn’t showing any teeth! They are similar but look closer and there are more differences that need addressing such as his ears are different in every way visible, his shape face is different, his eyebrows are almost non existent in the new photo. His eyes are not a full match. The ring they suggest is the same is clearly a different style of ring. The photo of Billy has a charisma the new photo has none. It could be him but it’s really unlikely and it needs a lot of different professionals to all agree before it can be agreed upon, not just one.
The one of Billy in cowboy garb is flipped! The rifle is a Winchester, which has the loading gate on the right side, but the Winchester in Billy's hand has the loading gate on the left side which means the picture has been flipped, it is a mirror image and not a picture. Matching other pictures only works if they are also flipped.
If the other photo is a tin type it’s reversed as well. Any camera original tin type is a reverse lateral image, same thing as a mirror image. The photographic process caused this in tin types. Billy was indeed wrongly accessed as left handed because of the reversed image. Kind of amazing that it went unnoticed for so many years in one of the most famous and widely viewed photos in history.
@@scottarivett496 If you are correct, then why are all the other old photographs correct, ie loading gates on the correct side, peace makers not backward?
Not all antique photographs are tintypes. If it’s a paper photograph it was made with a negative and corrected when printing … just like all negative / positive processes.
I've been a portrait artist for nearly 30 years & have looked at tons of bad photos to try to get a decent likeness of people, this doesn't make me a forensics expert in any way, I've just had a bit of experience looking at bad photography, I also understand that people can look slightly different in photos depending on several factors, lighting, pose, length of time between photos, etc...that being said, I'm not seeing much resemblance between the two people in these photos at all other than the pose...I think the examiner, while no doubt having extensive experience in her field, was just ready to believe this photo was of the same person & let her imagination take over...I don't think this is the same person...interesting old photo, but doesn't match in my opinion...
The pose is the same coz most tintype poses are like that. Basically a rod up the back. You can see the feet of the post behind both subjects feet. It kept them still during the long exposure time needed for tintype.
As a photographer and professional studio portrait photographer for years, i have to say you pose your subject. The pose is most likely going to be photographers choice not billys or whoever that is. If it is billy and as it says the same photographer then that makes sense for the similar pose.
The mouth is closed in the second pic so how can you match the dentition? The jaw line, eyes, brows and ear lobes are also different. Not convinced at all.
Excellent point. The teeth on the DeAragon image are not visible. The so called "forensic heavyweight" Louis Gibson is blowing smoke. Also, not that it matters but the DeAragon youth looks nothing like Billy the Kid.
Agree on all points. Let us not forget also that the photo with guns is a reversed image, giving rise to the myth that the Kid was left-handed. Look at the bullet port on the Winchester rifle: in the photo the port is on the left [ as you hold it for shooting] side of the breech. Winchester never made the rifle in that configuration; the port was always on the right side.
@@antoniograncino3506 Wrong, Winchester did make a few left handed 1871s to special order, so if this is a left handed 1871 the question is how did Billy get it?
These are interesting. There are some similarities but the ears are very different and the real Billy’s boots are smaller in size and Billy’s hands look smaller. Cool photo, I love this stuff, and I’m no expert but I don’t personally believe it’s Bonney. Especially looking at the ears, they look a lot different.
The only things that make it possible are that the ring is on the same finger and the teeth are slightly protruding. The problem for me is that Billy was always skinny and did not wear rumpled, mature clothing. This person is a little "dumpy." Billy was a slender, wiry reed of a kid, with an attitude.
It's all in the eyebrows. Billy had has some dark and really rocking eyebrows that stand out even on the little tin type. If you can't see the eyebrows, it's probably not him.
Not the kid and I can prove it. The photograph on the right of the authenticated Billy the Kid tintype shows him holding the Winchester rifle in his right hand and his Colt thunderer pistol on his left hip but this is not true because the tintype was reversed which means that Billy is holding the rifle in his left hand which means that he was right handed. Therefore this means that the gamblers ring that Billy wore was technically on his left hand. If you look at the photograph at the on the left you'll see that the gamblers ring is worn on the right hand. Now one could make the claim that the photograph on the left could be a reverse tintype therefore claiming that the gamblers ring was worn on the left hand but then the buttons on the coat would be on the left side as well and male coats simply don't have buttons on the left side they have buttons on the right.
Actually, a famous fact about Billy is that he was ambidextrous. That's one of the reasons he was such a great gunslinger. He could shoot with both hands.
I noticed that too. But he was also meant to be ambidextrous. Such people have a habit over time of being predominantly left handed then right handed. Switching wrist watches and rings accordingly. The condition is a birth defect that also affects the body. The body grows off centre causing the person to lean. The face is often slanted in youth with the nose tilting to one side. There are in extreme cases mental problems and extreme behaviours. But but it can also as the person matures lead to everything kind of levelling out. With the person's face becoming more symmetrical with age. Also settling to use one hand predominantly. The habit of a strange stance remains with an arched spine and dropping arms. If the new picture is Bonny then the photographer has used poising stands to partly correct his stance. You can see the base of the stand right behind the left foot. There is no indication that the know picture was taken with a stand and so shows Bonny's natural stance.
@Victor Bastos no, he didn’t have Chinese cut eyes. When his photo was taken, it was outside in front of the bar and it was windy. He was squinting his eyes. Look at the right lapel on his vest and his wild rag. The lapel is turned up and the wild rag is blurry from movement.
It doesn't match shit . It seems all these pictures that no one found for 140 years are coming outta the wood work . I wonder if 5 million and 2 million for the two only known pictures of Billy had Any thing to do with that?
I think it has already been established that Billy the kid was in fact right handed. The photo of him posing with the rifle is reversed, therefore the ring on the finger would be on the opposite hand and If the photos were compared as shown nothing would line up.
I don't see any resemblance at all. Billy the Kid has a look about him that is unique. In the recently authenticated croquet photo, I immediately knew that was Billy the Kid.
Both this one and the croquet are not authenticated. These folks shop around and pay others to give their photo importance but they’ve all been proven false so far. Only one photo that is proven.
Well, the amazing thing about Billy is that he keeps on livin'! He never "grows old" in the public's mind and he always makes a come-back. In fact, he's the Comeback Kid!
@@R.E.M.954 Most Billy savants dispute the idea that the croquet kid is Billy. Also, the purported New Mexico location of the tintype has since been debunked. Not surprisingly, the image never sold.
If your a fugitive you wouldn’t want your picture plastered all over New Mexico would you. Hence why it’s so hard to find a picture of billy the kid,and who’s to say that the tin lid picture is actually billy the kid
It was known back in the 1960s (some WHBonney eyewitnesses were still alive back then and a lot of his history has been lost;) that Billy enjoyed having his photo taken. There are quite a few floating around out there and likely more handed-down treasures still to be discovered. It's really fun to see them surface. However, in this case, I disagree that the teeth are the same. Billy's front teeth protruded enough that he couldn't close his mouth without either the lip sticking out noticably or part of the front tooth showing. That isn't definitive in this photo. Even though his ears do stick out, his right ear is not the same shape. But there is a family resemblance. I think it's very possible that this is Joe. His hair was darker than Billy's. His gaze is often one of resignation. I've seen it before in photos up for authentication. If somebody comes across photos with similarities to Billy but different enough that "experts" deny verification, bear in mind that it could be Joe. He was a bit ore even featured. More subdued countenance.
"It was known back in the 1960s (some WHBonney eyewitnesses were still alive back then and a lot of his history has been lost;) that Billy enjoyed having his photo taken. There are quite a few floating around out there and likely more handed-down treasures still to be discovered. It's really fun to see them surface." Oh, really? I've never seen such a quote; please enlighten me as to which of his surviving friends you are referring to and provide the actual quote{s}. If the Kid liked to have his photo taken so much, it's a shame that we only have a single tintype today: the only authenticated image of BTK. Sorry, but the photo this video is about has NOT been authenticated---despite what this video's title (click-bait) proclaims. Pure garbage.
they did look very alike could have been the kid just before the Lincoln co war started John Tunstall probley bout him the suit to smarting him up if he wasn't doing ranch work maybe he was working in the store and his mouth is closed but u can see the fela is also buck toothed the guy who said about his clothes date from 1880s to 1890s is he sure I no billy was killed in 1881 it could be if so it will be the 3rd photo of the kid they said the one were he playing croket wasn't him to but it got authenticated exciting times
Theres actually 2 REAL pictures of billy in existence with provenance now. The famous one and the now the one of him playing cards with richard brewer, fred Waite, and Henry Newton Brown
under the magnifying glass she can see the very tip of the upper bite under the lip I believe people should concentrate however in the ear fingerprint that remains pretty much same throughout life, regardless size growth.
Same teeth?? you can't even see the other guys teeth. the more preposterous claims like this I'm subjected to.....the more faith I lose in "facial recognition" But hey, can't ignore that pinky ring...What a load of crap.
Billy the kid is my favorite from the old West, when I was a kid myself I always wanted to be Billy the kid and I always played like I was him and then when I got older I always check out evey video about Billy, I'm just fascinated with Billy the kid just because I feel like he really never wanted to be an outlaw but was forced into it by circumstances beyond his fault but I believe he became very good with a gun and he deserves to be well known anyway I wish they could make a movie about Billy that uses an actor that looks very much like him sense they know what he looked like that would be cool and also make the movie as true to the real story as possible.
You never seen young guns or young guns 2? There's no getting better than that. Out dated or not by today's younger generations standards those 2 movies are pretty accurate and Emilio Estaves plays the best Billy the kid by far. If you never watched them movies check them out.
@@iamheandheisinorsemen2605 yes i have seen those movies and they are good but emelio Estevez doesn't really look like the picture of the real Billy the Kid on the tin type of him in my opinion id like to see an actor that looks like him even if he's not a well known actor like emelio Estevez although i did luke him un the movie young guns.
Did he have a graze across his left ear like he does in the black and white one? I noticed the graze as if a bullet grazed up his putter ear .. nearly shot but escaped that death he did look closer... For the left ear has a graze like the bullet barely missed him taking off some of his putter ear. 😐
Yeah I think it is go back and look at the mouth. But the shitty part is ,we'll never know.i wish someone would hurry up and invent the time machine. Someone could go back in time find billy and ask him if this is him. And also warn him of Pat's dirty ambush.
The ring was a clue? I call that into question, especially since they are both on the same hand...despite the tintype being reversed, meaning that the ring would be on the LEFT hand, and not the right, as was shown in the other picture. So same ring, but on different hands for different pics? Yeah, no. Sorry buddy, but that pic you have is decidedly NOT The Kid. If the ring was even mentioned as a clue, it, to me, immediately discredits your claim because anyone that knows anything about the only actual authenticated pic knows the tintype is reversed. Billy was left handed, and the rifle that looks like it'd be in the right hand, is actually in his left hand. The same hand as the ring. The ring in the pic he has is on his right hand. Wrong hand. If the other pic was also a tintype, he'd at least be able to say the ring is a clue because both would be reversed.
Of all the "pics" I've seen of The Kid, this one looks the most compelling. He looks about 14-15 here. Same chin, ears, crooked eyes, ring on finger, slanted shoulders and wide mid-section. If you look at the full pic you'll see even his feet are positioned the same. People forget the authenticated pic is distorted. Of course comparing the dentition is a reach. The only thing I can figure she is talking about is Billy had 2 protruding front teeth and the picture in question looks like his upper lip is pushed out a bit. But would I go all-in on it without prominence? Nope. I am about 65% convinced it's him.
Everyone always looks at the wrong and most obvious thing; the face! Look at the relaxed posture of his HANDS! His left thumb has a different "v" angle between the knuckle and tip. This never changes and seen clearly at 1:46. This other fella is NOT the Kid!
Though the two photos do indeed look different I think the photo could very well be authentic. It looks to me like Henry McCarthy, aka William Bonny, aka Billy the Kid was three or four years younger. Neat!!
They have Billy the Kid's Winchester picture so horizontally stretched out it makes him look like he's 300 lbs. He looks more like Billy the Pig and not the Kid.
Unbelievable!! Every picture is the kid. Does anyone have any integrity, money is the only reason every picture is the kid. And she sacrificed her integrity for money. This picture is NOT THE KID, not in any shape or form
Close resemblance but nope. Ridiculous the they’re saying the forensic expert says all features match even the teeth ???--The Subject in the supposed photo has his mouth closed- can’t see the teeth!!!!!
The expert has EYES? TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. Just look at the eyes for starters, completely different. The Whole face is different, the body...the pose. This is silly.
I can see it. If you study the cheek bones, nose, teeth, ears, body type etc., I think they match up well. I think he's wearing the same ring and boots in both photos and is posing in a very similar matter. The famous authenticated tintype is a bit distorted and I think Billy was squinting in the famous photo. In fact, everyone that knew Billy basically said that the tintype was him, but didn't really capture his features or didn't really look like him.
in the one posing with his rifle, he looks like if he just dismounted off a many hours or days riding with little sleep too btw, but maybe he was just barely awaken and still on a hangover, making him look as if stoned. Just plastered face.
Billy looks drunk in the tintype so the eyes won't match. The only match is the ears are similar. Plain to see Billy's tintype has a longer face but age difference could explain that, but NOT to my satisfaction. This is not Billy the Kid, and I question these so-called experts...
Sure the picture is appsolute real but not the same person, and how exactly can you tell if there teeth are the same when you can't compare both. Probably brushing Billy Roberts who claimed to be the kid in the forties.
That tinny town photo guys took any thing that come along . People of Lincoln County say Billy was not cheap .he bout his friends nice gifts all the time. And his girl friends dresses he would pick them out his self. Hats . Jewelry even Pat Garret got nice wedding gifts for his home and his kids .Billy was loved the Sam by all kids Billy would by big sacks of candy give kids hadfulls .he was a loved by many.👍💔
In Rudousa might have spelled that wrong at the btk museum you walk in the door and on the right door post they have the tin tip picture and a picture of btk taken in the 1920's that was found in the attic of a railroad conduters attic that was a friend of bills and it does look just like btk
Sorry folks but you arebeing misledby this production. There is still only one authentic photo of Billy. There are others that are implying but not authentic. Looking at the photo of the latest revelation is simply not Billy. I had a hell of a time getting my Albumen Print of Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest authenticated due to the age of it. the print was taken in 1852 when he was younger and was compared to others taken later. Finally it was identified by the marking of the photographer on the back of the print who took the photo. I dont know if this can be done in with the new photo of Billy. Probably not. It schould be looked at closer though.
Maybe it's him, maybe not. One forensic artist says it's him, but another could argue the opposite. There's a faint resemblance but not enough to make it a definite Billy, like the famous one.
either he lost a bunch of weight as he got older or this is not him... look at the distance from his nose to his side cheeks.. way different.. and how "long" in the face billy is.. the new photos does not have that effect... the only match is the ring and thats about a 50/50 guess..
The sky is raining Billy the Kid photos. How did Billy ever have time to be a gunslinger; he spent all his waking hours in a photo studio. These two people, Billy and the lad in the DeAragon image look nothing alike. And the teeth business -- is Lois Gibson pulling our leg? -- the DeAragon lad's teeth are not visible.
Get all the pics side by side and I'll prove to you the picture of the village people will look closer to the real pic. Pics coming along all of a sudden are not even close.
I never bought the game of hammer ball photo resembled Billy at all, but this one may be real, it should go to FBI forensics for an up to date analysis. The FBI should do it to contribute to saving something historical, they could work on it in thier spare time,if the owner would relinquish it to them for the time needed.
The picture of Billy the kid in his cowboy clothes is a reversed negative, he was right handed so that pinky ring would be on his left hand. That does not match with this new picture, unless that picture was a reverse negative.
