Last Metallica Song Written By Mustaine (But They Won’t Admit It) 

What?....😥

WHAT???

Having never played Orion with him is even sadder

@@AndriyVasylenkoI was about to say that

@@AndriyVasylenkoAt least he played The Call of Ktulu But I don't see any when I search it on youtube

Oh shi

Yeah don't remind me......I'm in denial desperate to avoid a mid life crisis

That’s not really a collab, but a mention of a relevant cool vid by fellow RU-vidr, but ok

@@AndriyVasylenko "Les vrais connaissent les vrais" as we say in French!

Also art of guitar is not a metqllica youtuber

Could be. On the other hand, he plays quite a few songs his way, such as Orion and Creeping Death

2003?

Yeah only the main riff lmfao

he even invented Lars himself

i heard he still plays james's and kirk's guitar parts when they are performing live in the backstage,.....that's way he has 2 neck guitar...

But don't forget Ron Mcgovney wrote the first 5 Megadeth albums

@@deletedhero5579 yeah,....and then Lloyd Grant went and formed megadeth

Uhhh no

Dave is only claimed one of the Rifts in the song not the whole song.

Leppard Messaya

Which one lmao

Ahahaha I have the same question

They were all aggressive alcoholics at one time some of them still drink and some of them were doing pot and cocaine and shit too so what's your point?

Lol, you talking about Hetfield or Mustaine? Both have decades long and serious bouts with alcoholism, which is public knowledge of course.

😂😂

I always heard "That's it."

He claims the bridge

@@deletedhero5579 Bridge ironically whitten by Kirk Hamett lol

Link?

Yea he isn't though and that video is clickbair titled, most of those Jams are just James and Lars

Dave influence is extremely overstated and exaggerated

@@deletedhero5579 Dave created Mettalia, the bible, god, guitars and the universe, he is not overexagerated

True. Following that logic, Black Sabbath would have their own Police searching for rip offs from other Metal bands. It would be a never ending job lol.

His "spider chord" technique has been in existence since the inception of classical guitar so naturally when I saw the video on RU-vid it made me cringe

Rumours spread by Dave Musteine at first, because it's profitably for him.

There are people who will try to claim Metallica have never written a single note in over forty years that they didn’t “steal” from Mustaine the God. It’s quite hilarious.

​​@@ricequinHe literally just said it was one riff, calm down 😂

@@WellsFargo-py5zy I’m calm, I’m just pointing out that there are some real rabid Mustaine fanboys out there who desperately need to believe that Metallica have never done anything good without him.

You can find rehearsal tapes on RU-vid from 82-83 with Dave in the band, and hear them playing the middle riff from lepper messiah. Tho we don’t know who wrote it

I also noticed that Lars sometimes gives odd counts live, including 5 and even 7, even on downbeat. So yeah, it could just Lars being Lars

Also, I appreciate your effort to describe all that stuff textually!

@@AndriyVasylenko i try, i did struggle a LOT putting all that into words and i'm still not sure if it makes any sense :,D

Really? He is a fan I guess

@@deletedhero5579 I think it is his Riff too

@@andreasfasold9841 No that's a James riff, Dave didn't write anything on the album, he only wrote 2 riffs on the entire ride the lightning album too

@@deletedhero5579 I know the credits. That does not mean that they did not use some of Dave's old stuff. Why would he play it l7ve? At that time he hated them.

@@andreasfasold9841 He would have been credited or said he wrote it, in 40 years he hasn't mentioned it once because he didn't write it James did. Also I've never even heard of him playing that riff live apart from now.

It's similar, James were that song.

Well he didn't write any of it so no point crediting him. He got credited for the few songs he cowrote

And Dave ripped riffs from Vardis, Acid, Artillery, black Sabbath etc. and they didn't forget, he just didn't write any of it.

Well there was a rumour the album was originally going to be titled disposable heroes but the album concept is different takes of control over people and someone like a puppet master controlling that which includes the soldiers in battle

@@deletedhero5579 "Master of Puppets" does fit both the song with the same title and the contents of "Disposable Heroes."

@@HeathenDance It does, and it'd probably wrong but I remember reading that at one point it was going to be called disposable heroes and then the hands and strings were added after but it's probably not true. The theme of control and master of puppets works for most of the songs on the album.

No Disposable Heroes?!

Disposable heros has always been my least fav

@@stinkfist6422 Really? Why? i think its Aggresion is awesome

@@mrberrow music is always subjective and to me disposable heros is very generic, drawn out thrash metal tune that just feels like a filler along with damage inc...

Battery, actually.

Those 4 power chords? Lmfao...

@@murk4552 Just the first part uses E F G A D B which is 6 chords and with a modulation in the lead from E minor to E phrygian. Later the rhythm goes down chromatically to a D# and C# but yeah throwing even more in there would obviously have been better. Also very unlike Metallica to play power chords.

​@@almighty1984unlike metallica to play power chords?

​@@almighty1984You should find the demo Dave says it's based on you'll see just far a reach his claim is

@@deletedhero5579 @89kilemal you guys should get a sense of humor

Interesting take. Talk about being a Stan. Consider that Mustaine wrote things, got kicked out and then James and Lars decided to use his songs when they were asked not to. Then they spent years never acknowledging that Dave had any input with the band, and belittling his contribution. I mean, Kirk played in the style of Mustaine on KEA, as well. Without Dave's contribution on the first record, there is no record if they didn't use his stuff. So, you can say Dave talks out of his ass, but he would know better than you would. And James and Lars don't have a great track record of integrity when it comes to previous band members, just ask Jason.

​@@itsalwayssomething7490never acknowledge him? Apart from giving him credits for his few contributions and personally thanking him in the liner notes? Would you acknowledge someone publicalky who spent every interview creating some ridiculous media spin rivalry, I wouldn't

@@deletedhero5579 The fact that they credited Dave wasn't out of the kindness of their hearts or because they acknowledged his contribution to the band. It was done to avoid Dave pursuing any legal avenues. Dave would be credited and receive some kind of royalty, so he is made whole. And this was probably at the advice of their manager or any lawyers at the time. Go watch the (MTV-Day On The Green interview 08/31/85). about a minute and a half in. Lars straight out says that when Kirk and Cliff joined the band, they contributed to the song writing, and the two previous members did not. That was their attitude back then. I would talk thrash too if my previous band took my songs, their guitarist used my style and then acted like I didn't contribute anything. So, I wouldn't put it passed them to continue to take ideas or things they were working on when Dave was in the band and used it for later albums. It doesn't even have to be malicious. It could simply be that maybe James played something he remembered from a few years before, and thought he wrote it. It's very easy to play a riff, think it's a new idea, and it was just something in your subconscious that someone else wrote.

​@@itsalwayssomething7490But they did credit him and like i say he is personally thanked in the liner notes. The day on the green is in 1985 and Dave had already been trash talking the band in every interview and so Lars having a dig back. Anyway this whole thing of Dave saying don't use the music is a nonpoint because it wasn't just his music it was the bands and after being signed the record companies so Jonny Z insisted every song demoed had to be recorded for the album he'd sunk his entire savings to record the band. Dave reused his riffs in Megadeth and even recorded the song Mechanix. Kill em all lead guitar style isn't really exactly like Dave's, Kirk wanted to do his own solos but Jonny Z insisted they be recorded exactly at the demos so they eventually compromised that Kirk would do the first 4 bars like Dave's demos then do his own thing. And I don't believe for one second they used anything from Dave apart from the few he is credited for, especially as James was already writing more than Dave at the time he was in the band.

@@deletedhero5579 Well, I appreciate the cordial exchange. I think we have two different perspectives on this and I love both bands, so I am not coming at this from a hating Metallica pov. My point was, I think at the time it was a two way street. And as Metallica got more successful, their egos got bigger. At the same time, Dave got more bitter, because he felt he contributed to that initial success, which he did. And the more and more Lars acted like Dave had no impact on that early success and said so publicly. I understand why. He wanted to stick it to Dave, because Dave was a thrash talker. He burned bridges back then. All I'm saying is I understand where Dave was coming from, as he has said it to Lars in the SKOM documentary. And that it's easy to write something you think is your original idea and it turns out that it isn't. Or write something influenced by someone else's idea. It could very well be that James simply wrote something based on something Dave wrote, and Dave recognized it as his. But, James changed it to make it his own, sort of how the Blackened riff started out from Jason. Anyway, I acknowledge your arguments. With the 30th anniversary show, Metallica did acknowledge the songs Dave had a big part of, so all is good now.

Metallica lost me in 88', still dug the riffs Dave was throwin out after then... So honestly I think Dave had alot of influence on Metallica's early material... And even though Cliff liked to throw shade Daves direction after they kicked him out, I think Dave and Cliff were pretty tight given they were both intellectual type thinkers and James and Lars were namely stoners so I think Dave had some influence on Cliff and vice versa...

Yea they gave him credits for his few contributions and he's received royalties since day 1 as he should and used those royalties to fund his band.

​@@bungalowbill3409He really didn't, they all emulated the same proto thrash, speed metal and NWOBHM bands. I don't think Dave had many great riffs after Rust in peace anyway but James a stoner?? He was definitely a heavy drinker but cliff was the stoner.

@bungalowbill3409 Yeah I'm the same after 89 I really don't care for their stuff. When they moved away from Mustaines influences and more into Lars and James influences the band just no longer had that strip running though it. Cliff was another loss to the core songwriting that created RIP/MOP. Dave was always the Thrash guy.. He's the one that continued on pioneering the genre long after Metallica jumped on the radio train.. Even when Megadeth tried it's hand at more radio friendly stuff it was done in a way to maintain that Megadeth sound.. Dubbing it 'Thrash-Pop'. Before returning full force to Thrash and heavy metal.. Metallica have just struggled the whole time to get back to the roots because the roots were in Mustaines sound that he was developing and they continued for a few years 'riffing' on his ideas and being pushed by him and Megadeths new releases.. When they ran out of his material and no longer had him around to provide these core ideas they only had their own.. Now they've done perfectly well on those ideas.. But to us Thrash guys. It's not what we want.. We want those first 4 albums sound and structure back. Metallica just done know how to get there again.. So they meander around lost sounding on new albums always playing it safe with a radio focus. Megadeth on the other hand is dropping easily it's best work in 20 years if not longer right now and is about to drop another new album in about a years time. Mustaine and Megadeths legacy will be longevity and determination.. Metallica will be an explosive beginning and a fizzled coasting on past success for decades.

@@PhantomDeth Mustaines influence? Wow you really to expand your musical horizons its so narrow. Not only was Metallica always led by James and Lars musically and we're the core writing team on every album except a portion of kill em all, but to say It was Mustaines Influence and sound? Neither band was ever original and it was never any of there sound but especially not Dave's, to say the roots were in Mustaines sound is factually incorrectz they were toying with that sound before they knew him. Neither cliff or Dave wrote that much, Hammett wrote more and his credentials in Exodus proceed James and Daves. Dave did really great in Megadeth but neither band has exactly done anything groundbreaking for a long time and both live on there laurels with some great stuff here and there. Thrash pop? Metallica will fizzle out? I don't know where to start, clearly a huge Megadeth fan but some of this is just bizarre

Bruh

You have to give credit where it’s due. Both bands were f’ing great but to say Mustaine had NOTHING to do with Metallica’s success is laughable.

​@@Evil-Never-Dies He had nothing to do with it. A handful of riffs. So what?

@@vorpalblades so ignorant

@@Evil-Never-Dies Mustain wouldn't be shit without Metallica. Nobody would give a shit about his drunken, junkie ass back then if he never played in Metallica. Would have just been another no-name longhair.

The last half of the song is goated