@@whoag3152 id personally do it….. and just tell everyone else about it too like surely they realize other places have moles too not just them itll be good going for a long time
We called it ambulance chasing back in the day. Lawyers with police scanners & lawyers hanging out in emergency rooms. Thank you for brining this to people attention.
3 days after being hit by a truck, I had at least 5 packets from lawyers. I remember it shocked me, because in the previous accident I'd been in, it had taken WEEKS for the police report to even be filed. This time, I had called the police for a police report the next day, they said they didn't have it, then the next day I had two full police report copies in my mailbox from two different lawyers.
Omg! I was a passenger in a minor rear end accident. I was called at least a half dozen times for this exact thing. I chewed every one of them out. Having been a bank teller for 15 years I am thoroughly trained to spot a scam. They were pretty relentless until they knew I wasn’t falling for it.
@jackiemyers2773 actually, surprisingly it is illegal. It goes against the "solicitation of clients" (American Bar Association Model Rule 7.3). Lawyers can't reach out to anyone directly via phone or in-person in an attempt to get new clients. It has to be through in direct methods such as ads, billboards, etc. So yes, what the other person did was illegal (but A for their effort 😊) An assistant or anyone working with/for the lawyer is also prohibited from doing this. (Model Rule 7.3(a)) A lawyer can, however, hire a third non-related party or organization to make calls or in-person solicitations, which would have been the only way for the mentioned situation to have been legal. Although, there are many places where that, calls or in-person solicitations for legal services by anyone, is illegal. Rip that guy 😂
"Oh, yes, send me the paperwork, please." Then promptly send it to the bar association (I assume that's who deals w/ lawyer naughtiness- would the police know enough to do anything?).
@@jackiemyers2773The fact that you’re arguing FOR quack medicine known as ‘chiropractors’ proves that you have no idea what you’re on about. 😂😂😂 I can go open up a chiropractor’s office rn and I have absolutely zero degree in anything. Lemme go f up some joints and bones so they keep coming back so I can relieve the pain that I caused 😂😂😂😂😂
Had a similar thing happen to me after an accident. Except they sent me to a autobody shop. I didn't have an attorney yet, but this was not my first rodeo and I knew it was illegal to solicit like that. I read the papers to get the "estimate" for the repairs and it had papers in there signing me up with a lawyer for the case. I looked at the address on the lawyer papers and it was the same strip mall. Two brothers and a sister. Brother ran the body shop. Sister ran a chiropractors office and other brother ran a lawyers office/realty office at the other end of the strip mall. I walked down the mall to the lawyers office and told him I knew it was illegal to solicit like that and I wouldn't be using him. He tried to stop me and said he would lose his license. I told him, "Give me $500." So he did. I still reported him, including the $500 and he got disbarred.
bruh that is not a good look for you, that lawyer sucks but in my openion snitching sucks more but scamming him too? lmao not only your moral compass is all over the place you have a pea sized brain too ratteling around in your skull
@@xavy35 It made the local news in the small city I lived in at the time. And you can look it up online and I did regularly, no valid license in my state to practice law. Now, he could have legally changed his name... But, he actually banked on his name. It is the same as a famous member of a famous band so...
When I was in an accident years ago a chiropractor's office repeatedly called me and everyone who was in the car with me and claimed they were working with our insurance company. I recognized it as a scam, tried very hard to make the person calling me cry, and said I would pursue legal action if they dared try that shit with me again. I also asked if they liked looking at themselves in the mirror knowing they scam accident victims for a living. Anyway they stopped calling all of us.
You get in a car crash in Ohio and within a week your gonna have 6-10 packets sent to you in the mail from different attorneys, several letters up until months later, & phone calls asking you questions & trying to represent you. It's actually very annoying. Glad it's illegal there, because in Ohio, the only thing they don't do is put your name on a billboard saying they've been trying to reach you.
Stunned how that was such an up-front scam. Glad you told him to hold onto the papers, "make sure to have a papertrail" and all that. EDIT: I'm not giving the Lawyer advice, he knows full well the importance of a Papertrail, I meant to say that the client should remember such advice. Yeah I said it like a dumbass, it was early in the morning when I commented that.
It's the insurance companies, they contract runners like a paid subscription to lawsuit blockers. The doc apt and papers would've invalidated any claims they had. It certainly happens for ambulance chasers but the real money is the big boys on the other side.
That is partially what makes it a good scam. It is so bold and so soon after your accident that a lot of people would assume it was a natural step in the process. It isn't that those people are dumb, emotion can just be running high when dealing with all this crap, and you get swept in. They take advantage of that. It is so gross.
Years ago I had an accident in Atlanta. Two days later I got a call from “Sergeant” Blah Blah, a woman, who wanted me to give a statement over the phone. It didn’t sound right so I asked if she was with the Police Department. She admitted she was an attorney. I said no thanks and hung up. I always wondered how many people she swindled with that name.
It's illegal to solicit clients directly in the state of MD where our firm resides. Ironically one of our attorneys got a speeding ticket while out in South Carolina. The sheer amount of sleezy firms that contacted our office was staggering.
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle it was pretty funny when they realized they were calling another law office. They kept calling back thinking they dialed the wrong number too.
@@DumpsterFairy97 We're specifically in Baltimore but to my understanding it's for the state. Could be wrong but I believe this YT attorney posted another video going over illegal soliciting via lawyers and what they're generally allowed to do. I would check on state laws or city state laws if you're in DC or BMORE.
This is also why so many defense attorneys find plaintiff's attorneys ... kind of repulsive? It certainly isn't all plaintiff's attorneys, but a bunch of them are garbage people who do garbage things that it colors our impression of that entire side of the bar.
@@MikeRafiLawyer There's a reason the ENTIRE INDUSTRY was painted with the "Ambulance Chaser" brush. Rather similar to how you can say "Bean Counter" and ERRYONE knows who you're talking about.
@@MikeRafiLawyer I've personally never seen any illegal solicitation. What solicitation I've seen is much less jarring or off-putting in that it's almost always directed at another lawyer. If you've seen illegal solicitation, though, I hope you reported it! The only times I recall ever speaking with an individual prospective client was at a pro bono clinic.
I heard on the radio a story about some law firms paying a company that does electronic police reports for access early and that it was illegal. I thought it was down towards the GA area, and I'm up here in Seattle.
It's annoying when they try to force you into an ambulance when it's not required. Ambulances are very expensive & desperately seem to try getting the Call out cost by transporting you to the nearest Medical Revenue Collection Agency......I mean hospital
Lol thats not true... ambulances dont give a shit if you say youre not going. Sorry, but theyre just employees and they get paid the same whether you ride to the hospital or not. Its not all a big conspiracy.
@@shieldwolf65I wrapped my truck around a tree at 70mph in the rain and just stood there smoking cigs for 2 hours until the state trooper came to do a report and gave me a ticket for “driving faster than conditions” then the ambulance showed up trying to lure me inside as I was getting in my gfs car. I was just so done at that point and rudely ignored them but I understood why they were so insistent after getting my stuff out the next day at the junk yard entire drivers side was caved in 😭 as long as I can still crawl im avoiding the 10k taxi ride
My husband went apeshit over this very thing after we had lawyers leaving things hanging on our doorknob and ringing our doorbell. He filed a report with the state attorney generals office and contacted our senator and representative. After months, they concluded they couldn't do anything to stop the solicitation.
This happened to me like 6 months ago. They were so relentless too. Called me 3 or 4 times per day. From diffrent numbers. Started reffering me to doctors and chiropractors without even asking me. Tryibg to force me to sue someone i has no intention on even filing an insurance claim against. Seemed so sketchy
Sadly, you have to take in interest in that kind of thing separately since most school curriculum considers it too niche. Sincerely, a person who learned more as an insurance agent about insurance law than I did in school
General education has been failing for multiple generations now. It's only until recently that we have more and more people sharing their knowledge so we can get a real education
Lmao what’s crazy is, this happened to me. I was arrested on some false charges, I was speeding but the cop claimed I was fleeing, but I literally pulled over the moment I saw his lights, I won’t deny the fact I was speeding though, he literally followed me from the start of a freeway onramp, to the end of the freeway onramp. But yeah, was in jail for like 3 days before I saw a judge to get out on bail, and by the time I got out my mailbox was full of letters from “lawyers” One said “i’ve defended many cases just like yours and won” and I was wondering how tf he knows anything about my case 😂
@@rockysquirrel4776in some counties, the police provide a list of the people who have been arrested each day. Sometimes they charge for the list, and sometimes they do not.
The week I had my accident I must have gotten ten calls from lawyers. I already had a lawyer, as well. I yelled that if I wanted to hire them, I would have called them, to not call me again because I was trying to do my job with one good hand and their phone call was affecting my job. The kicker was my primary physician had just retired and I had not had time to find a new doctor before the accident, and now that I was in an accident, none of the doctors in my area on my insurance preferred provider list would touch me with a ten foot pole. I had to go to urgent care for my follow up visit from the emergency room. That cost me a fortune.
@@Normal1855 Personally Identifiable Information (PII) isn't supposed to be. But you freely give it to a lot of companies to be sold without your knowledge. Nothing is free, if something claims to be free YOU, and information about you, are the product. Incident and Police reports are a matter of public record and are freely available to the public to access. (How do you think the "Florida Man" news meme became a thing?) Along with info like arrest records, court filings, etc. The issue here is not that the info was made public, that was going to happen as a matter of procedure. It's that a law office that was not directly contacted by the injured party(s) got the incident report significantly earlier than they should have. Indicating the law office was doing illegal stuff to obtain the info faster.
I had something similar happen. My dad is a disabled vet and he put in for a grant for support bars in the bathroom. As soon as he was approved he started getting calls from bathroom contractors. Thing is the government is not giving out any info to contractors or their not supposed to. They also had my dad's cell number. I told our social worker and she was shocked as we were supposed to just get a check and call our own people. They are investigating though I'm sure nothing will come of it.
A couple months back we had a weird collections agency trying to call my dad. When he called the business doing the “collections” they hadn’t even sent it to collections yet. This guy on the phone was like “DON’T PLAY DUMB WITH ME YOU NEED TO PAY OFF YOUR DEBT!” We still don’t know what was happening.
Debt collectors will try and collect on debts they don’t own. They’ll call and harass people into paying hoping the people will either be intimidated and make the payment before looking into the company, or that the people won’t even know ow to look into who actually owns the debt. I had a collections agency trying to get me to pay them for a debt after they’d already sold the debt to another company that I had been making payments to.
I had a similar thing happen to me, except the caller alluded to being from the insurance company and that I should get checked by a chiropractor. In the end the receptionist cleared up that the caller did not work for an insurance company, there were no contracts (just like an informed concent form), I wouldn't have to pay anything, and I saw the chiropractor. I was fine, and got a free hot/cold pack out of it.
Personal injury protection PIP that you pay for in car insurance affords a certain amount for medical needs... and you do need to be seen by a Dr within a time frame or loose access to the benefits (this can be done at any dr, I suggest go where you can get xrays if there is ant pain) -chiro does help, for me massage therapy made the real difference with chiro, and insurance doesn't like to pay for that. 'Cos it works. The magnitude of this scamming would make you sick. I worked in a medical billing office for one of these chiro attorney referral team up's --but people called them at an 800#. Basic pip in Florida is 10k, the Dr and attorney will each want at least 1/3 of your 10k. Then have you feel grateful to them if they negotiate for less, but will "make up the difference on someone else's case". Watch your bills like a hawk, get print outs for service at Dr's, and Advocate for yourself. ---And don't be afraid to fire anybody!!! You are a $ to them, don't think you're more than that to the owners of any of these companies. Some of the most sneeky, underhanded, passive aggressive and outright disrespectful beings I have ever dealt with.
F'kin Hell! Ok. From now on, I call a lawyer on my own, or else I don't trust them. I didn't know this was a thing, and I am gen x ...been here a day or two. Screw those guys.
I had something very similar happened to me in my early 20s. My car was rear-ended by a 18 wheeler on the highway. Completely totaled my vehicle. I ended up losing my job for time out of work on top of it. Two days after the accident, I got a call from the insurance company. His insurance company was the same as my insurance company, so when they told me they were sending me a check to cover the cost of the vehicle and an additional $500 for medical expenses. I didn’t think twice about it. I was actually quite impressed that they had done something so quickly. The caveat was that I needed to cash the check right away and at 20 something years old I did not understand what was happening. Turns out I had settled out of court without realizing it and then I had no recourse, so not only did I no longer have a vehicle. I had a neck injury that still bothers me to this day and I lost my job because I was on crutches and neck brace for weeks!!
In North Carolina, it's not only legal, it's mandatory. It doesn't matter what the police report was for. The moment your name goes into a digital record from any law enforcement body in the state, your contact information is decimated to multiple lawyers to ensure you have access to legal representation.
I get these calls all the time lol “we’re from the attorney’s office about your workers compensation claim.” I have never made a workers comp claim, and if you were legit you’d identify which attorney’s office 😂
I used to work as a cold caller for a shady guy who received lots of accident reports each week. My job was to call these people, explain their rights, and get them to sign up with our lawyers, sometimes even taking them to see a doctor. Everyone was in on it except the clients, who were taken advantage of for their insurance money. Doctors and lawyers would aggressively pursue any opportunity for profit, whether the case was legitimate or not. I feel terrible for the people I deceived. Some were okay with the process, and I could be honest with them, but it was painful to lie to others after they trusted me. I was part of a money-driven group, and I'm relieved to have left that behind.
Because it can bite him in the ass if he is wrong. Safer to bleep it out. Clients sometimes don’t tell the whole truth there is a chance that person wasn’t listening and only seeing a different firm on the paper made them realize. We have this happen a lot too but 80% time the client is partially the reason they ended up almost signing another contract with a different firm.
Many years ago,2001, i had bad car accident. I was in the hospital overnight. When i got home next morning i had calls from 6 different law firms asking to represent me
I've had a number of scam calls about "an accident you were involved in." I usually play along a little and get some details then tell them I don't drive, lol. I had a call from the same people from different numbers about 3 times in one week once.
Had to deal with this myself a couple of months ago. My car got totalled while parked in front of my house and I was constantly getting calls saying "We saw you were recently in a motor vehicle accident". Their reactions were great when I told them my only injuries were stubbing my toe getting out of bed.
It's only a scam because he was tricking them Into being his lawyer. You should still get a lawyer of your own. Even the ones that call first will get you money for your injuries.
my friend went through something similar. He decided every lawyer that contacted him was off his list, and told them so. That is what we all should do. If you get solicited like this, make sure you pick someone else.
Solicitation in of itself is not a tortious offense. QED you can't win a lawsuit just because there was an ad on RU-vid. However if they continue to contact you that's harassment and that's a winnable case. The issue is that it's a criminal offense for them to do it in the first place
Solicitation through the U.S. Mail is specifically *allowed* Solicitation via phone, text, or e-mail is specifically *prohibited* In all states, traffic crash reports become public records *after* a certain time (usually 7, 10, or 30 days) and can be purchased like any other commodity.
Usually they are worded in a way that puts them in a gray area. They dont say "you should sue and you should use us as your lawyers" but they say something like "You may be able to sue and get lots of money and we are a law firm who is really good at winning these types of cases". one is directly soliciting, the other is more of an extremely targeted ad.
This happened to my son for the last 2 months. He was in an accident. He is a minor and lawyers are calling him to go to the doctor and let them know when he is at the doctor's office.
Strange that he says, the police report should not have been available after only a few days. I have more than once hired a lawyer or investigator to acquire a police report less than 24 hours after an accident. Must be the differences in jurisdiction.
In my department the report can take a few days to be made available. The initial report has to be approved by our traffic crash reviewer for any needed corrections. Than the report needs to be name candidated and geo verified which is basically attaching the names and locations from that report to our database so it’ll show in the future all incidents involved with that person. If it’s all done quickly it could take like a day. But with the volume of reports we get it usually takes a few.
@@None-ef6nf nah in my city it’s all dependent on how fast the report goes through our system even for the involved parties. Although in my state crash reports are confidential and exempt from public records request for 60 days. This is so that law firms can’t come to police departments and ask for accident reports and start soliciting clients
Actually, it was not by a relevant party, just by the attorney or investigator. Indeed, I want to requested a report myself about something that happened near my place of employment, and I got interrogated as to why I would want it. But they were extremely cooperative for the lawyers and investigators. So so I can see how this felon Lawyer got a hold of it.
I assume there's likely either an ongoing investigation or ongoing trial/bar review. If he were to name the firm and the firm became cleared, he could face suit for defamation. He's probably just protecting himself until there's a solid guilty verdict, in which case it becomes a matter of public record and legal fact.
My son, stopped in traffic, was hit from behind by a F150 at full highway speed. He had just been moved into a regular hospital room for overnight observation and called us. While he was talking to us on the phone, two different law firms called him trying to get his case. He said they started calling him while he was in the ER. It was disgusting. No doubt someone inside emergency services was on a lawyer's payroll.
Likely libel or slander liability. I agree, that law firm should be public, without showing proof of a crime, he could be held liable for accusations and be sued, even if the claims are true
It's not the purpose of the video to name and shame a specific law firm, but rather to make people aware there there are shady law firms who do this and that it's illegal for them to do so.
Whatever it is... It's a fellow lawyers office. Perhaps it's not a fellowship thing, and more like they have all the law books, junior lawyers to keep busy, and time on hand to sue for reputational damage, however frivolous or useless. He might just want to avoid a paperwork slap-fight. Or a SLAAP fight haha. Or! He already settled or convicted on that case, ergo it's possibly under a minor NDA. Enough to tell the story, not enough to name them. Perhaps they have already gone through all the liability they were legally require and it would be unwise to have those currently still at that firm to be accused. Something like that. It's probably not just one lawyer firm that does this either, so instead of being on the lookout for the specific name that might not be in your state or country, Mike wants you to be on the lookout for that kind of tactic in general. Lots of possibilities.
Didn't have a lawyer when my car got totaled 5 years ago, didn't get checked out and still had to pay out of pocket for my new car. Still suffering from injury after not getting checked out and discovering it in an xray a year after the accident made me regret my decision. Lawyer-ing up next time anything happens to me or going to labour board, too many bad things get to slide.
Had this same thing happen to my wife. We already had a lawyer called him right away after realizing that it was the other insurance company. Our lawyer was not happy!
I worked for a clinic that did pain management. We had a meeting with a marketing firm that did this exact thing. In his informational meeting the guy says "if you ever tell anyone you got a patient from us, our relationship is over". Red flag.
It used to be considered unethical for lawyers to even advertise - “For decades, lawyers weren't allowed to advertise their services at all. That all changed in 1977 when one Phoenix law firm ran an ad in a local newspaper that became the basis for the landmark decision in Bates v. State Bar of Arizona.” Now you drive through a city or watch tv and billboards and commercials are everywhere
This exact same scenario happened to me less than three months ago here in Kansas City so I would assume this is a “trending tactic” so thank you for making this video
I was mildly rear ended a few years ago and I got the first letter from a lawyer the very next day. I was impressed by the speed but I wasn't injured and my employers insurance was taking care of the vehicle. Thing that really sucked is that I/we had already traded in that particular van and were waiting on the new one I ordered to come from Ford.
My car was hit from behind at over 50+ mph last month, on a Saturday. Monday morning, I started getting non-stop calls from attorneys offices. I'm in Ohio.
A coworker was in a rear end minor accident. Not hurt, but for weeks he got calls from lawyers saying "I can get you a LOT of $$! He said, "But I'm not hurt!" They told him "Yea but you DESERVE money!!
I had a man show up at my Dad's repass that married a childhood friend of mine. So I was familiar with him through her. He said he heard of my accident and he convinced me that another lawyer, his boss, should handle my claim when I was injured at Bojangles. After having the case almost a year him coming back and forth to my home offering money that I could pay back when the claim was done,if I had money issues now. He telks me, we are close to a settlement amount. The next few weeks I ask if they made an offer, and he said, " remember I told you, we could not agree on a number and the attorney decided you needed to get another attorney to finish your claim,we can't take your claim. I said but you told me to drop my attorney Crandall and Crandall and your boss would be able to get it done quicker? I think they got my money and kept it. Never heard from either of the men again. When i saw the guy, he wouldnt speak as if I stole from him.
