I just found out about this chage recently whilst talking to my gasfitter. I don't have a problem with the change, but would be interested to know if there is a safetey issue that I came across years ago whilst changing out a forklift bottle. The fork gas bottle has that same feature of not allowing gas out of the cylinder until thje fiting is attached. However, in the incident I mentioned, I once changed out a cylinder, not realising that the tap had been left openAs a consequence, I got a gas burn on my hand when I inserted the fitting and straight away the gas came out before having a chance to screw in the fitting! After that, I made it a habit to check the tap prior to fitting the hose, but I have so far not seen any comments about this happeningI would be interseted to know if it can still happen with these new fittings, as currently I don't have one ot try out.
Firstly, you make a good comment that you should always check that a valve is properly closed before attaching or removing a fitting. Secondly, it sounds like both the forklift LPG bottle and the propane bottle (in the video) use a similar kind of safety/check valve. However removing our attaching a fitting to the bottle when the valve is open will always create some kind of pressure blow back even if only momentary. The tightening nut on the propane bottles have a shroud that should give some protection from the gas blow back when removing the fitting when the valve is open but the bigger problem could be the tightening nut flying out of your hands from the back pressure. I haven’t tested this and I really don’t intend to try it. The best and safest way to handle these fittings is to always double check that the valve is closed when attaching or removing a fitting.
Great explanation almost had to take out a return policy refund, now I’m stress free knowing Australia has now adapted to an American gas fitting. Now in search for an LCC 27 fitting, also definitely a lot more safer knowing that gas won’t leak if knocked. When will we adopt the same standard fitting for diving tanks where if knocked then gas pressure can not release.
One of my gas bottles has the LCC-27 fitting but the tap is not black as stated here in the video, it is green just like my other bottle with the POL fitting. The external coarse thread makes it obvious it is an LCC-27 fitting. This bottle was purchased from Bbq’s Galore.
Not really. You'll get a safer bottle and you can simply swap your bottle (even if you own it, for a pre-filled and checked bottle) at a petrol station that uses Swap-n-Go or other bottle swap systems. It's hardly onerous and you don't have to wait around for someone to fill your bottle.
Very clear video thanks mate. Only found out about LLC-27 today when I assembled our new external portable gas heater. We had also grabbed a new gas bottle for it from the regular swap and go area. Surprise, surprise it didn't fit! Hopefully we can swap the bottle for the LLC-27. The heater and bottle was actually bought a couple of weeks ago
Great clear explanation. Went to a hardware shop today to swap a gas bottle and they told me I could only use a bottle with a POL fitting. Now all makes sense and I dont have to worry about changing house fittings. Thanks
great explanation. unfortunately my POL fitting will not fit my LCC27 cylinder. i reckon someone has borked the thread. anyway, trip to bunnings for some new gas lines.
Honestly, I prefer the POL fitting. I feel they are more secure and for me have less leaks around the RV. I know the other ones are only supposed be done hand tight but sometimes to seal them tight, I've had to use channel locks, which I don't like to do.
The POL connector has a nitrile rubber seal on the tip. I can't see any form of seal on the LCC27. How does the LCC27 regulator seal to an LCC valve? And how does the POL regulator seal to the LCC27 valve? Edit to add: The original POL connector did not have a seal and used metal on metal but quite quickly manufacturers found it was prone to leak so they added a variety of rubber seals; settling on the bullnose and oring variety. Will Australia need to go through the same discovery process?
Thanks. Very helpful and informative. I bought a gas bottle gauge from Bunnings today, not realising it had the LCC27 connection. It was only when I checked on line that I learned about the change from POL to LCC in 2021 and found myself suddenly pannicking, thinking that if I changed out my Swap and Go bottle it wouldn't be compatible with my BBQ, Caravan, etc. Reasuring to know that I can still connect both types.
Very informative. I just got a new outdoor heater with the new connection and I thought what the hell is going on here lol. Just solved my problem. Thankyou
Hello and thanks! I see UK, Aus and also here in Sweden we have LH 5/8 POL connectors. UK and Sweden are not the same. How about Aus POL. Is it same as UK or Sweden?
That’s a good question. It’s not compatible. DO NOT TOUCH IT. The bayonet fitting is for natural gas. Gas bottles are filled with propane. The gases are different as are the delivery pressures. They have different regulators and different burners. Note this relates to Australia only. Always use a licensed gas fitter to change or adapt gas fittings wherever you are in the world. Seek their advice in the first instance
I'll duplicate the response to your previous comment here. "Firstly, I'm only talking about Australian standards. It's impossible to tell where you are from without you identifying your country. If you are not from Australia this does not apply to you. If you are from Australia, I think that you are referring to small bbq's or camping stoves typically purchased from camping shops. If this is the case, then you can find these smaller items supplied with a simple black hose and a hex shaped coupling on the end which is not at all like the the POL or LCC27 fitting in the video. In that case the video is not for you and should ignore it. If you do have the smaller bbq/camping stove with the simpler fitting then these fittings are designed for very small gas bottles of 2kg or less, not the 5 to 9 kg bottles referred to in the video. I hope that helps."
If in doubt, get a licensed gas fitter. It’s always good practice to check the integrity of any gas fitting, new or old, by using soapy water around the fitting. If it bubbles then the fitting is not safe. The fitting needs to be under internal pressure (ie gas flowing through) for the test to be valid.
Following your comment, I have searched online for either POL to LCC27 adaptors or LCC27 to POL adaptors and found none to suit LCC27 fittings in Australia. There are plenty of QCC to POL adaptors for the US market (available online in Australia through foreign sellers), but these are not for the Australian market, so my comments are restricted to the Australian specification for the LCC27 fitting. A gas bottle fitted with an LCC27 valve assembly accepts both LCC27 and POL fittings, so no adaptor required there! If you have a bottle with a POL valve assembly the easiest, simplest and safest way to allow it to accept a LCC27 fitting is to go to a petrol station or hardware store and swap your old POL bottle for a bottle with a LCC27 valve assembly. If you were to attach a fitting to an old POL bottle to accept a LCC27 fitting then you are introducing another possible source for leaks. Also this suggests that your bottle is older and it would be wise to change it over for a newer bottle that accepts both fittings. The swap system does not care if the bottle is yours or belonging to some other swap brand. They are happy to have your business. You are not talking about a lot of extra money to swap the bottle over either. Additionally, if you want to keep the swapped bottle and then get it refilled instead of swapping it then you can do that. My recommendation is to go with the safer option and not use inline adaptors when there is a simpler and safer system available.
No. As far as I know LCC27 fittings will not be applied to the smaller camping style gas bottles. LCC27 fittings will be progressively fitted to the “leisure series” bottles such as the 4-5kg and 9 kg bottles like those typically available through gas bottle swap outlets. This only applies to Australia.
@@FormanddesignAu thanks for that, I do have 2 x 9kilos and one 3 kilos, I meanly use the 3 Kilo one till it runs out , then change to 9 kilos till I fill the 3 kilos. They very new, will keep for now.
Instead of looking for and purchasing an adaptor, consider either buying or swapping your bottle. The new valve assemblies accommodate both POL and LCC27 fittings
Great video. Question... do you know if the LCC-27 is the same as the US QCC-1 fitting? They look the same... however I've seen there are different POL standards around the world!
I mean this with all sincerity, but if you are asking that question I would strongly recommend that you seek the assistance of a gas fitter/plumber to help you. If you are not familiar with how to change a gas fitting then you might create a situation where gas could leak from the fittings and cause a fire. Incorrectly installed gas fittings account for a large proportion of injuries from gas operated appliances. FYI gas hoses with regulator, pressure gauge, and LCC27 fittings are sold as a complete unit from camping stores and hardware stores
Question to anyone here! I have an old tank, old valve system, its full, I bought an adapter for it, but my new grill hose conection only works on the new tanks. How I go about to use the lp gas that its in the old tank! Hate to waste it opening the valve to air it out. Finding an old grill and remove the hoses and install on the new grill, just to use the gas in the old tank?
The following comments are specific to AUSTRALIAN gas bottle systems only! The new LCC27 system on your new BBQ is safer than the older POL fittings. Also if you are using an older POL bottle it might be out of date and could be dangerous with prolonged use. You might be better off investigating gas bottle swapping systems through petrol stations and hardware stores. Check out this article from ELGAS www.elgas.com.au/disposal-recycling-lpg-gas-bottles-cylinders/
@@FormanddesignAu I understand all that you said! I just want to use the full tank that I have, not to waste the gas, than recycle the tank. I have the new ones, and use them on my new grill. Maybe I wasn't clear enough explaining my question. Thanks any way!
"Everyone" might be an exaggeration. Firstly, I'm only talking about Australian standards. It's impossible to tell where you are from without you identifying your country. If you are not from Australia this does not apply to you. If you are from Australia, I think that you are referring to small bbq's or camping stoves typically purchased from camping shops. If this is the case, then you can find these smaller items supplied with a simple black hose and a hex shaped coupling on the end which is not at all like the the POL or LCC27 fitting in the video. In that case the video is not for you and should ignore it. If you do have the smaller bbq/camping stove with the simpler fitting then these fittings are designed for very small gas bottles of 2kg or less, not the 5 to 9 kg bottles referred to in the video. I hope that helps.
Be warned that these adaptors do not provide the additional safety that the LCC27 bottle fitting provides. The safety valve is not included in the adaptors. Also if purchasing one of these adaptors make sure you are buying a POL to LCC27 adaptor and not the American QCC adaptors. It’s just a whole lot easier and safer to swap your bottle for an LCC27 bottle through one of the bottle swap outlets. They’ll happily swap your own bottle for one of theirs.
Oh good. I am sailing from Los Angeles NEWCASTLE THEN to NELSONS BAY. so that means I dont have to replace THE american propane tanks. I CAN STILL GET. THE 11KG FIBERGLASS TANKS FILLED.
Wow next you actually might drive onbl the right hand side of the road. Then i can bring out my 2024 Dodge Ram 3500 and my 2023 Dodge Challenger out there. A d wont have to chabge it from left to right hand drive.
