You have one of the best and most informative videos pertaining to small pocket pistols that I have ever seen! Very helpful to me in terms of selecting 22 ammo and also pocket pistols in making my purchase decisions. Thanks so much, and keep up your good work!
I chuckled about the Winchester .22 critique. I had the same experience with a box I picked up at Wallyworld. All sorts of failures in my LCPII, another auto, and a revolver.
Like you, like your videos. I’m pretty sure I’m settling on the LCP 2 22lr as my first gun. Looks like your experience with ammo is the consensus. One RU-vidr suggests it’s the shape of the front of the bullet that effects the feed. The rounder the better, the flatter the worse. Everyone has bad experience with the Winchesters. Thanks again.
I actually have 99 percent success rate with Winchester... I even have Winchester from the 90s that work perfect. I actually can't think of more than 10 failures out of the thousands of round I have shot. I have had a bad time shooting federal bulk and even a worse time with browning. And also a massive failure rate with armscor, if had up to 27 failures In a box of 50. Cci stingers will not cycle the casings in mine.. I only will trust Winchester super speed, 👌 Winchester hyper speed, and cci 36 gr cphp.. the cci velocitors did well. I have yet to fire my federal punch, Winchester Silvertip. Super loud gun
It’s just my experience, but I shoot federal punch which are flat nosed bullets and have never had issues with them feeding. They are nickel plated though to make feeding easier.
Thanks for the update. Like another commenter here, mine has locked open with rounds still in the mag 3 times, and I've had the slide not drop all the way into battery twice in my first 500rds with minimags only. A simple tap on the back of the slide and it went back to business. Mine runs everything else I've fed it since then, including punch, stingers, fed cp bulk, blazer, and golden bullets, with no fte's or ftf's. I also don't get the light primer strikes that a lot of other people have had problems with. I use a tiny dab of super lube on the rails and top of the barrel, a tip I picked up from another youtube video, and it smoothed up the action a lot. Like you said, it's not the optimum sd tool, but easy to conceal, draw, and get quick hits on target, which is 99% of what you need to stop an attack.
I also had the same issues with the mag feed issues. I actually adjusted the ears of the mag VERY slightly and have never had an issue since. It was allowing the cartridge to feed too high.
I got the galloway kit. I did not put it in because I wanted to just see how it would do. I'm at 2,000 rds with only one issue lately, It will lock back with ammo in mag. Only happened twice in the last 500. I don't plan on using the Galloway as of now. Stingers work well, no malfunction. I use 38 gr America eagle for plinking, Goldens, and 40gr American eagle. I'm using every ammo I have and no problems except the lock back. I'm thinking it's the lock back tab,on locking bar, that sticks in front of the nose of bullet in mag. I've seen some sand the very end off and polish. I may do that. I think the nose of the bullet hits it. Thanks for your videos! I would carry this NOW, but wouldn't when it wasn't broke in. At first I had every issue there is, I hated it, and would never think about carrying, the only thing that keeps me from carrying is the idea of having to drop mag to eject a dud if one happens, which is very low now, but could and will happen.
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Been looking at this for target practice as I have a SIG P238, and had a slide lock issue 50 shots in. Got the replacement part and after 300 rounds had to get sent in for service. Another 400 rounds later and it’s been pretty solid. But the LCP has been looking pretty good for micro compact. This caught my eye after seeing how many rounds you’ve put through the LCP II.
A friend of mine a number of years ago fired my walther tph (2.75 inch barrel) only 5 rounds ever. At 25 yards at the range. His 1st shot went exactly 1 inch high at point of aim, the other 4 shots made a 1 inch ctc group an inch below his 1st shot. Not certain but it might have been with rem yellow jacket or the old win super x 40 grain. He said "I like this gun".
Will truly enjoy if possible, you reviewing a Beretta 92 chamber of 22 Long rifle. I shot about 2000 rounds with it, no hiccups whatsoever. Super accurate right out the box. Again, great video thank you.
Love my version of this gun,it’s always in my pocket,so I always have something.its been a great little companion.thanks for the info and the work you’ve put into this series! Agulia works great in mine also,I’m interested in trying the punch 22lr but haven’t yet.
@@majinreincarnated3167 Galloway precision, he has a good video on RU-vid on how to install it as well. It fixed the problem I had with my gun and was way faster than sending it back to ruger. It looks better too
New guy here, Just picked up my lcp 2 3 weeks ago .The first 100 rounds I had every problem that could be had other than self destruction. I only stripped and cleaned then oiled at first .round 101...Pulled it apart and greased everything and did a good wipe down .I bathed 10 shells in grease and worked them in the mags and racked them out about dozen times .pulled everything apart once more and wiped down. Shot about 200 rounds and only one hang up . I believe most of the problems that everyone is having not to include bad ammo ,is the fact that mass production or not ;not single unit will act the same .Also take into consideration the stance of hand to recoil . Again No one will hold a fire arm the same way at that split second it takes to recoil. I'd like to know if there would be noticeable differences in the way a gun acts with some one wearing gloves to soften the recoil as to what ammo they know to be trustworthy. If that makes sense? Away, great review, I picked up this little piece for the same reasons everyone else has , concealed yet effective ( hopefully will never find out first hand ) , fun little plinking gun , cheap and readily available ammo. Also I always had a soft spot for Rugers . Maybe down the road if I start having problems I will try spring kits or other mods but so far . Im liking it ,think that a bare bones stock unit is good to go off the shelf with this company.
Yea, I wouldn't suggest shooting the LCP right out of the box like it was a Glock 9mm or something. They need a proper clean and lube to work right, and they need to stay that way to maintain function. Thanks for watching!
A great review of a popular gun. The break-in period and the *Galloway Precision* upgrades are a must (in my opinion) for this gun if you want better performance. Makes shooting a lot more fun.
Going through my ammunition tests of various rounds and at about a little over 500 rounds through mine I must concur that the Winchester ammunition was exceptionally unreliable. Remington Thunderbolt, the SK Semi-auto, a number of the Aguilla ammunitions, the CCI mini-mag, the CCI Velocitor and by for the best yet with zero issues has been the CCI poly coated 40 grain 1235 fps rounds. Both an older batch and a new batch I just received a week ago. All worked well for the time being. Oh and the Federal Punch was not very reliable either.
i agree cci stingers are loud as hell compared to average stuff and hunting wise on the hearing dilemma I shot 2 rounds of 30- 06 in quick sucession without ear pro at a deer that i walked up on and barely noticed the loudness now later that day I checked the zero with one round without ear pro and it was loud asf
Bought it because I didn't want to beat on my Smith 2213. The first 500ish rounds it didn't want to feed halfway thru the mags. It really didn't like mini mags. I know, what? I wanted this thing to work and just kept feeding it. Got better and better. Started scrubbing it with Remington "RemDriLube". Runs like butter. Bought a second. Be well!
When I bought mine I thought it was a piece of crap until I found that it loves Aguila 40gr super extra that's all I run . Don't know how mini I have run through it but they run almost 100%. Put a C/T laser on it makes a big difference when you get where you can't see your sights great little gun.
save the boxes dedicated to the pistol then counting is easy, reverve boxes only for that pistol, tally mark boxes for bad rim or failure to fire shells even if you load them up and shoot them a second time
Good video. I'm embarrassed to say, as a fellow gun guy, I forgot about the LCP II 22 even though I own the LCP MAX and the original LCP which is the Kel-Tec 3AT! And by the way, Aguila means eagle in Spanish and is pronounced with emphasis on the first syllable: águila, not aguíla. It's cool that you're into music and motorcycles as well! Keep up the good work.
I had to send both of mine back to ruger. Neither one worked at first on any type of ammo. After that it still only likes federal and augila. But very reliable and fun
I think it's insane that people obey such blatantly unjust, unconstitutional "laws" when we KNOW that unconstitutional "laws" have no legal power or authority. It amazes me that people in CA don't just go to neighboring states and buy guns (or build their own guns, which is very easy).
@@luistapia1942 Most people can do it though... and although nobody should ever have to, it's more than worth it to exercise a Right without permission when there are no other options (although anyone can build their own gun too though). As far as Human Rights go though, it's nothing more than an inconvenience... which is an extremely small price to pay to shed such unjust "laws" (because tyrannical "laws" can never exist when nobody obeys them... and there is absolutely Nothing they can do about it. We are a nation Of The People whether they like it or not... and we are governed Only by consent. There is no tyranny in this nation we do not deserve, because there is no tyranny in this nation that we do not allow (and therefore create for ourselves).
My LCP has similar taste for ammo. The Stingers have failures to eject. Other CCI hollow points have failures to feed (Mini Mags and Velocitors). Aguila Interceptor HP have been flawless with over 300 rounds.
I've got one of these sent to Ruger to be inspected because the slide flew off and the rails damn near came out of the frame about 46 rounds into a brand new firearm.. press the trigger the slide reciprocated and kept going.. mine's the LC9
Vis-a-Vis your music. I'm the same way. Back in the late 80's I was into the CBGB'S Hardcore scene, and then the New Orleans punk scene. I always wore hearing protection. And I ate a bunch of flack for it. As soon as those Westone d custom high end filters hit $150 I got them, same with in ear monitors. Same grief from ppl. I worked at Tipitina's for a decade, I've seen every famous N.O. musician a thousand times. Seen Steve Earl, Billy Joe Shaver with Kinky Friedman, (those two are hysterical together) NIN and a billion metal bands when I worked there. And the thing that always tried me out was how deaf many of them are, I mean stone deaf. I'd love to pro with my drums, and I'd to think I'm pretty good, I've played with some fairly big names.(humble brag) But at the end of the day I wanna go home and LISTEN to even more music, and these folks can't. No amount of fame or fortune is worth that, losing you hearing. Glad you're being smart about it. Anyway, love yr channel, thnx for the info, keep shootin' and keep playin music. Gotta have fun in life or what's the point.
John... I'm a musician to, that shoots guns. Please start wearing hearing protection. Before you get to much damage. Even 22lr. Will over time damage your hearing. And you won't realize. Until it's to late. I have 2 22lr pistols. Taurus tx22. Keltec p17. Thanks for the 22 info. 😊
Glad to see the 22lr can handle 1000s of rounds. A lot of people say the .380's can only handle a couple 1000 before they break. That's not verified and I don't know from experience, but have heard it from reliable people about all the really small .380's. (LCP, LCP II, P3AT, Bodyguard, PT 738, Spectrum, Curve, etc... (not sure if the RM 380, Pico, P238 or the P380/CW380 style guns are in the same list or not though, because they're all designed differently).
I called a range to try and rent a .380 before buying. I was told their LCP broke, but they had a Bodyguard and G42. They said the LCP wasn't able to handle range volume use. But I also need to remember the average user including me is not going to fire that many rounds through it either.
@@paulcarlin5181 Yeah, I can see why. I don't speak as if it's an absolute fact, but it definitely appears to be. Most people don't put high round counts through their LCPs or pocket guns... so they rarely ever break or get worn out... but of the few people I've seen that do fire a lot of rounds through their pocket guns, they've destroyed them after only like 2000-5000 rounds. LCP's just happen to be the main one I've seen it happen to, but it's also the most popular by far and the most likely to be shot at a range for practice. People don't usually bring their smallest, most painful to shoot guns to the range unless it's necessary. (like to prove function from the gun and each magazine. (which don't take more than a couple hundred rounds throughout its entire life).
Have enjoyed following this series bubba. Not gonna lie gonna kinda miss it. Oh well. Good show. Thanks for sharing with us, and listening to us as well. I also have the 380 version of this. I have been trying to work with it to get better, but it is the dangdest thing, i cant lay down anything that resembles a decent group with the 380. Only way i can get it point of aim is shooting left hand both eyes open. I do not understand it. But then i got my eyes fighting over rather im gonna look down the sights or the right side of the gun. It is akward as all get out. The 22 for some unknown reason i might near cant miss. Have run enough rounds through it it just comes natural without much thought or effort. Love my lcp2 22.
Thank you! I've enjoyed making these videos and am thankful for all of yall that have tuned in and commented. I had to run several hundred rounds through my lcp max before I really got used to putting it on target the way I wanted to. And it's still one of the toughest guns I have to be accurate with. But I don't think it's the gun's fault. Just a characteristic of a tiny, lightweight .380.
One thing to consider about how loud the punch and stingers are: I used the same gun to chrono both of those, and they were supersonic. I tested the Aguila interceptors and they were subsonic. Sonic crack definitely contributes. I can’t get punch to run in mine. They don’t have enough juice to fully cycle, so the slide doesn’t pick up the next round, or if it does it doesn’t fully cock the hammer.
interesting, I have a Walther PDP-c right now, how I love it but it's a tad big for civilian EDC, been think hard about something more like a LCP-Max/Bersa Thunder.....I like the Thunder more BUT the LCP and PDP have 'companion .22s'
This is also a great reason to get a used gun.i like getting a used gun,there cheaper and if not 200k rounds,usually the previous owner just broke it in for you and took the MSRP hit for you.
Just curious...have you had any issues with the frame pin working its way out? Specifically the one in the grip, by the Ruger logo. I had this problem with both my 22 and 380. After shooting through a box of ammo, I noticed the frame pin always starts protruding a bit on the right side of the grip
Yes... I have the LCP ll 380 and with only about 150 rounds both pins wear walking and the one alot more than the other... Minus maybe the Mark 22 line of semi auto's, Ruger makes hot garbage hand guns. 😆👍
Hell ya. Only thing i don't like is the awkward safety. Still planning on getting the lcp max soon. Is there a way to connect a mantis x to a lcp you know of?
At least in hunting situations with the adrenaline rush i have barely noticed 30-06 243 and 40sw in hunting hearing wise then tried a test shot in 30-06 kater after and it did hurt my ears and i very much noticed
I feel like it is priced above it's range . If they werecheaper I wouldn't mind buying a few of these but for the price point it is not on my list .cool little plinker tho I do like them
I wanted to see how good you got at shooting it. I have a keltec p3at which is what Ruger initially copied for their 380 pocket pistol design. Granted, it’s a bit smaller than the version number 2 but it’s a very long trigger pull and a very small gun. It’s nearly impossible to hit anything with it. However, if I were to shoot 10k rounds through it, I suspect I’d get pretty good.
I had the Max but I sold it. It was nowhere near as accurate as my Bersa 380 cc, and wouldn’t feed Lehigh xtreme defenders reliably. I also had the slide lock back with rounds still in the mag a few times.
I've watched your videos on this gun and thought I wanted to buy one but knowing how inconsistent .22 ammo can be I decided on a S&W 43c revolver. You can still run into dud rounds but with a revolver you just keep pulling the trigger.
I was disappointed at first with my S&W 43c because the cylinder would bind up after 2-4 rounds with Federal bulk ammo of which I had a large supply. I found that it ran fine with other brands. I settled on Remington Golden Bullet for practice and Federal Punch for occasional carry. They cycle all 8 rounds consistently. I was surprised that a revolver would be ammo sensitive.
If I hear a recommendation for Aguila, I listen to the source. Aguila has outperformed every other round when it comes to reliability and accuracy every time I've used it.
They've been the most consistent .22lr for me, by far. I have not, however, been able to source as many of their centerfire cartridges in pistol calibers in my area as id like to.
@@johnnyshootsalot yeah, I haven't seen them at Academy recently either, they used to stock a lot of it. I do look for them when shopping online now though.
The Winchester SuperX 222rnd pack was the worse .22 ammo I've ever tested. Horrible in the lcp2 LR, 1022 and T/C22LR. Took it back, got credit off some CCI that works fine! Years ago, SuperX was good hunting ammo. Now it's trash. Winchester 9mm range ammo is Great!
Hey Johnny is it true the LCP has issues manually ejecting live rounds? as in clearing a dud round by racking the slide? Can you confirm this? Sounds like it's part of the LCP design based on my reading. thanks!
Correct. It's doesn't throw them out like a centerfire pistol would. But I have not encountered any issue with that characteristic. Once you know what you're dealing with, it's just a matter of locking the slide back, ejecting the mag, and using a tool like a small screwdriver to get the bad round out. However, most of the time they will just fall out through the grip. It's not as much of an issue as it may seem.
It's very common for people to pinch the extractor closed on these little guns, when grabbing the slide to cycle a round. The extractor is spring loaded and needs to be free to move in order to work properly, but the slide is so small that it's hard to grab it to cycle it without pinching the extractor, which can and does cause ejection issues. Try using front serrations to cycle rounds, making sure not to impede the function of the extractor.
I had taken mine on a kayak trip where the container I had been carrying it in had gotten some moisture inside it. It developed some mild surface rust that cleaned off very easily
@@yeshualawson I would say to keep a very light coating of something like ballistol on all of the metal parts if you're getting rust. I live in a relatively humid area, but it's not quite bad enough to rust any of my firearms as long as they're being kept indoors. But the guns I rotate in my vehicle are treated with an extra coating of Ballistol inside and out to prevent corrosion. You must live in an exceptionally humid climate.
Weird, I have a couple cases of Aguila bulk boxes and my LCP2 hates it. Constant failures to fire. I also did not really see an improvement with the Galloway spring kit. I gave up on anything other than mini mags.
Man, you just never know with .22lr these days. I have suspicions that some of the ammo batches are less viable from many manufacturers. I've heard so many different reports of ammo that I found to be nearly useless functioning well for people in other locations. Or vice-versa.
I love rugers and this gun has been a huge miss. Constant problems. I even sent it back into Ruger and still the problems came back. Just traded it in for the SR22. It's just not worth the headaches.
Unfortunately, there are a few lemons out there. Pretty much par for the course with almost all pocket sized semiautomatics. But everyone i know personally that owns one, loves it. Mine has been superb for what it is.
@@skowmi5681 I agree, I love Rugers and have had great experiences in the past with their repairs. However this one was a fail. I just got done with the frustrations and sold it.
If .22lr was $1 a round, nobody would shoot any of it. And why would I purchase only 50 round boxes? I buy in bulk, bro. Buckets of thousands and boxes of 500. I probably spent in the neighborhood of $750 on those 10,000 rounds.
Three years ago, you could buy a brick of 500-550 rounds .22LR for $20. Ten years ago, you could regularly find the same brick on sale for $10. If you bought in greater quantity, like a case, cost was even lower. At $20 per 500, it's $400 for 10k rds, or 10¢ a round. Ammo prices went way up in 2013, finally coming down in 2017, then went way up in 2020, and are still high. Many shooters who have lived through several of these cycles will buy in bulk when prices are low, if they can afford it.
Winchester and Remington ammo are garbage. I ran one hundred rounds of Remington .22lr and had 18 squibs out of that box!!! My LCP II loves Aquilo, Federal Punch, CCI ammo (all types) after being broken in. It had become my favorite pistol!
Remington Thunderbolt is the only ammo my LCP 2 will run reliably. Aguila, CCI, etc. and even the more expensive high velocity stuff from any of them won't feed consistently. When you say broken in, how many rounds are you talking? This is the worst gun anyone could own in my experience. Even for a 22, it's terribly unreliable. I haven't kept track but I'm probably somewhere between 500-600 rounds through it. 80-90% of the time with the 10 round mags (other than Thunderbolt) it has an issue of some sort. It's maddening.
@@MrPlow11778 the 22 lcp is a great gun, but they're all a little different with what works in them. I wld probably try the Galloway spring kit if you're struggling. And by "break-in" I mean a couple thousand rounds.
@@johnnyshootsalot Thanks for the reply. I want to lie and say I'm giving up on this gun but it's fun to shoot and was cheap so I'll keep running Thunderbolt through it. At least I found one that works!
@@MrPlow11778 i covered a lot of ammo testing in my previous videos about this gun, and my experience is similar to most, from what I understand. But there has certainly been the odd report here and there of folks that had different degrees of success with some of the ammo that worked for me, and vice versa. That said, The Remington T-bolts worked pretty well for me. I ran a whole 5000 count "Bucket 'O Bullets" through mine, and only had a couple of hang-ups.
Winchester and rem ammo sucks 22 wise and i concur on Norma i bought there' tac 22 ammo thats like soaked in grease or wax snd my guns had some issues nothing major but i eoukdi buy it again but id buy it over Winchester snd rem 22
When I was a kid,winchester superx was the best ammo that was 50 years ago cci mini mags are all I shoot now. Have a ruger lcpll ,wather p22q,ruger wrangler all in 22lr have had no problems with cci
@@johnnyshootsalot better than Winchester bulk boxes? I'll give it a go. Unfortunately I have a ton of the Winchester, works fine in my other 22s thankfully :-)
@RandoTark for me, the Winchester super x bulk stuff was literally the worst ammo I've ever experienced. I have suspicions that it was probably batch specific, though. I found everything I tried to be superior, but again, I think it was likely that Winchester just screwed up a whole run of that stuff, as I run a lot of their white box ammo and it's good, and have older .22 Winchesters that are fine.
The reality is that the anti-gun lobby and corporate sponsorship of anti-2A rights is working hard to erode what we have now. If there's not a concerted effort put forth to preserve our gun rights, they will eventually be taken away outright.
I bought one of these pieces of junk a year ago. Light strikes, failure to feed, failure to eject. Every other 22 pistol I've owned worked with any ammo. Ive shot 10 kinds of ammo in this piece of junk and it sucked with all it. I have 3 mags. It doesnt work with any of them.
Very likely you need the complete aftermarket spring kit made for them. I don't have one but I saw a video of a guy who solved all those issues with the spring kit.
22. LR gun from all the videos I’ve seen, are quite ammo sensitive. this means using quality stuff like CCI mini mag. The rest of your junk ammo. It’s really only meant to be used in a Ruger mark IV classic pistol or a rifle. The very few companies that make quality ammo for 22LR. Please keep that in mind and also as others stated, maybe a spring kit upgrade.
