This was my favorite episode to date. It's so damaging to the official narrative all the historical accounts on top of the forensic evidence you've already given to date...and then you have John Taylor's ancestor saying he had a personal revelation about it. I mean...WOW. Mind=blown. 🤯🤯🤯
I'm a descendant of Emma Smith. My dad is completely up to date on our genealogy and I completely agree it was an inside job. Them cowboy days were rough and that's how they all dealt with things they didn't like. Men were ki!-lers and adult‐erers so imagine this religious guy comes along and preaches chastity and holiness with a large following. Yeah... they gotta get rid of him. Same story with Jesus. His betrayer was one of his apostles
I watched your first two videos, but was never to piece together all the details. Now, I finally understand the differences between the different narratives. Maybe it just takes some time to sink in. I admire your honesty and relentless search for truth, and the quality of the presentation. It's great that Smith and Taylor descendants are able to see the truth in your presentation.
Ex-mormon here. Great historical investigation done in this! In retrospect, its wild to me that asking rational questions is seen as controversial and brave, but when information is tightly controlled it is absolutely controversial and brave. Keep it up!
This story is so fascinating. Clearly a murder and coverup. The murderers have received their punishment and hopefully what has been hidden will be revealed. The murderers should not be protected no matter who they were. If it leaves a blemish on the church, so be it.
We know a direct descendant of Joseph Smith...a great grandson (not a great-great grandson) who we were assigned as home teachers a few years ago. He told us that they were told to avoid the Brighamite church because Brigham Young would kill them all just like he killed Joseph and Hyrum. At the time we thought that was so outrageous but not so much now. I asked this man's daughter, who is in our ward about it and she confirmed that yes, they all believed it was an inside job from the beginning. And they blamed Brigham Young, not so much as having been there but more as the instigator and planner of it.
It's inspiring when we see non experts being their own researches and seekers of truth. Thinking critically and not accepting something just because it's given to us by 'experts' is what we should all be doing especially in this day and age with the technology available to us. Thanks you!
Man, this is wild. I came across some information about this on youtube that looked it was shot in the late 80s maybe 6 years ago. His forensic case was compelling. So glad that you're getting the word out on this. I look forward to watching your documentary.
I am so thankful for this channel………..thank you man ….circles,circles,that’s what the Mormon people do. I’ve been studying this cult for 25 years. It gets more sickening,the more I learn
Great video as always. I love how you point out over and over at lots of details that are no where in the historical record - "How do they know?" That is one of the main things that is so sickening about church leadership. They strut around like they know everything, and they are the 'only' source of truth, but they don't give any evidence or rationale. And when they are proven wrong, they don't apologize or admit they were wrong, they just issue a different statement, again claiming they 'know'. There is absolutely no humility with these people. Never once do they say, "we don't know" or "there may be different ways to interpret this" or "we'd like to know what you think." It's always about them, them, and them. Thanks for taking a hit for the team, and being so passionate in your research and humble in your theories.
I've watched that pattern for a while now. The leaders don't know the history. They rely on the lay members to research this stuff. Then they can throw them under the bus if they need to.
John Taylor argued on January 23, 1848 that there is a righteous motive for killing, and the killer should not be judged by his brethren: “He did it to save his people from oppression.” “Public meeting in the middle fort it being sunday. Elder Taylor addressed the meeting. He spoke of the unjust judgments rendered by men of the world. It was not safe to judge another, because we do not know the motives that actuate men. Many a man loses his life by the unjust judgments of others for they judge by the sight of the eye and the hearing of the ear. Christ came not to judge by the sight of the eye or by the hearing of the ear, but to judge righteously. He referred to Moses who killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. This was a righteous act of Moses. He did it to save his people from oppression. Yet he was judged by others as a murderer, and that by his brethren, who were disputing, and Moses would have been slain, but he escaped from their hands.” (Newest acquisition in the 250,000 item John Hajicek collection of Mormon material culture.)
Your work and research fits so well with Michelle Stone's (132 problems) research of church history. I commend both of you and praise you for your willingness to share what you have found....even though it has certainly made life harder for you both as well. Thank you. I truly hope the consequences regarding your membership don't make you bitter.
I remember Pres Hinkley kept an image of Brigham Young behind him in his office, and whenever he had a difficult question, he would look at the image and ask himself, “What would Brigham do?” I always thought that was a weird question why he would ask what Brigham would do instead of Joseph, or Jesus for pete’s sake. Now I’m wondering if current leaders knew more about the history than they admit. They are either complicit or not that bright. There is no other option.
Hyrum Smith is my 5th generation Grandpa. I have been inactive for at least 30 years. My mom once had access to JS clothing. She had a fireside and they brought out the clothing. This had to have been at least 15 years ago. Anyhow, i just came across your channel today. I find all this beyond fascinating. I am currently alone in the wilderness. Searching for the truth. If i ever showed this to my mom. She would probably disown me. I’m a truth seeker, like yourself. Compliments to all your research.
I saw your documentary last February and it was after a two year long faith crisis. The only thing I could do was believe in Jesus Christ and walk with him. Even though that time was so hard, I am so grateful for it, because that is how I was able to know Jesus Christ so much more! When I saw the title of your video, it caught my attention. At first I didn’t want to watch it because I was afraid it was going to give me more confusing information that would make me feel even more lost, but I really felt strongly that I needed to watch it. So I did. It was a starting point for a whole new perspective that I desperately needed. After finding your channel, I then found a whole bunch of other channels and websites that helped me so much. Doctrine of Christ, Hemlock Knots, Whitney Horning, Michelle Stone 132 problems, and so many others. I found that I could believe that Joseph Smith was a true prophet that restored the gospel again. That I could embrace and immerse myself in the Book of Mormon again and I’m understanding it so much more now than I ever did before. Thank you for the great sacrifice you have made in doing what you have done. It has helped me so much!
Wow. You must have really wanted to believe. Good for you. I respect your journey. Mine, so far, is different. I don’t want Mormonism back no matter who’s preaching it or what facts come out at this point. I do respect this (and all) interesting research.
I really appreciate your willingness to share some of your journey. Once people understand that the church is not being truthful with their narratives, it feels like such a betrayal that the temptation is to throw everything out. But as you keep digging, more and more details begin to emerge and you begin to see that the church Brigham built is not the same church that Joseph started. If they are willing to lie about Joseph's martyrdom, it's not much of a stretch to see they could easily have been lying when they said he practiced polygamy.
@@natalies4375Mormonism just doesn’t make any sense to me. Jesus while on the cross forgives the people who took his life and then dies, goes half way around the world to destroy the people of the Americas just after he had forgiven his killers. It is way out of character of New Testament Jesus. 3 Nephi makes Jesus seem bipolar.
@@lukev483When Jesus died the whole world shook. Only the more righteous people in the Americas survived (Native American ancestors) so when Jesus visited them after His resurrection, most of them were believers. Jesus didn't destroy them He taught them and blessed them.
@@justin-griffinI’ll just recommend the book “In Sacred Loneliness “ by Todd Compton. It’s 500 pages with 150 more pages of documentation! Diaries, letters, journals, records and pamphlets. I’m 100% sure Joseph Smith was a polygamist from 1831-1844. And yes the Brighamites are so different from the Joseph Smiths doctrine.
32:14 Wow, look at these guys agreeing with Shannon Tracy with their smug little smirks. You're not hiding in any shadows, and that accusation is pure gaslighting. They're gaslighting you--trying to make you doubt your sanity. They may not even realize that's what they're doing, because people trapped in a web of undue influence have suppressed their authentic selves to such a degree that they function this way while genuinely believing themselves to be serving the cause of truth. May God help you to stay centered and at peace, and not to let these guys make you mad.
In my opinion the other guys were laughing at the one saying hiding in the shadow's 🤣🤣. Like I said...Brian Hales minions... Not church headquarters. They hold no position in the church, just authors lol
"Then, when Joseph and Hyrum Smith were murdered in Carthage in June 1844, Mormon Masons felt outraged and betrayed when witnesses noted that there were Masons in the mob". It also says in their own documents that Mason's were in the mob and they are a secret combination.
Excellent! It’s tremendous work that you are doing; at the same time exposing the double standard in the church and it’s claim of infallibility. Great courage; truth is what connects us to God.🙏❤️🇺🇸
You have a really great spirit, brother, and your work has been outstanding. You have a big heart and an excellent mind and it's been inspiring to see you keep pushing forward even with all the opposition and attacks especially when you've been so transparent and open. Keep it up, you are inspiring more than just the numbers can show. --A.G.
The Prophet Brigham Young was a righteous servant of God. He is close to God, which is more than I can say for the misinformed individuals who put on these anti-LDS videos.
@@herbofallon965 I once believed that myself but now that I have come to know him better I no longer believe that. I believe he hijacked the church and corrupted it. The people suffered terribly under his rule. Tell me what he ever prophesied. All you have to do is know his belief in his Adam/God theory and that should get you started researching him. If you research through church only information you will only hear the good that he did. You won't hear how the members were starving literally to death, subsiding only on edible weeds while he was living like a king and building over 12 mansions for himself. He was more like the wicked king Noah than a humble servant of God. Sorry to burst your bubble.
When a man has been shot in the lungs by a powerful firearm such as a .69 calibre musket (more powerful than a 12 gauge slug), the air is knocked out of his lungs by the expansion happening in his chest cavity. What happened in that forensic investigation headshot happens in his chest. He is not going to exclaim "Oh Lord my God".
Same for Hyrum. Even if he was shot in the face, as the Church claims, his head is turning into jelly, especially with all the shrapnel tearing him to pieces from the door. There’s no way Hyrum or Joseph had last words that happened after either of their injuries.
Great job of explaining this and exposing the truth, keep up the good work! I get a big smile on my face when you refer to the church hierarchy as the Q15! 😂
People want to back up their preconceived notions and sometimes they will do almost anything to validate themselves. What ever happened to being led by the truth? We will never be God's people until the truth is more precious than gold.
Why are LDS scholars so afraid of the conclusion that John Taylor and Willard Richards betrayed Joseph and Hyrum? Don’t they know salvation depends on faith in Christ, not on “priesthood succession”?
@@ThomasFackrell amen! And really, how could any of them be certain that they actually have the gift of the Holy Ghost because the words they say when they lay hands on the head are only, “…say unto you, receive the Holy Ghost.” So it is an invitation or admonition, although they say it is a bestowal, it it up to the individual to receive the Holy Ghost, which can only be confirmed by their feelings, not the Word of God. The whole of Mormonism is founded on unverifiable experiential feelings.
I am a Protestant Christian. I do have very large disagreements with LDS doctrine, but that’s not why I am here. I have grown up in a area with a fairly large LDS population and with that learned a lot about LDS faith growing up. This topic of JS death has been one I have more recently questioned. At least from my perspective, it seems until the dawn of the internet many didn’t know JS was armed in the jail and fired his weapon. At least you wouldn’t know if you didn’t visit the site. I always took this as a means by the church to protect the reputation of JS (like a lamb to the slaughter). Feel free to disagree but listen more to this next part. I am left here thinking now, is this backlash against you more about protecting the church since John Taylor later became church president? Had he not become president, I personally question whether you would be receiving the same sort of punitive actions. Again this is all an outsiders perspective.
The even more crazy thing to me, is why if there is an actual prophet, seer, and revelator in the church like we have all been taught our whole life...Why in the world have they not inquired of the Lord and received revelation from God on the matter to finally know the truth of it all? Obviously we don't know really understand or believe what a true prophet, seer, and revelator is according to The Book of Mormon (maybe nobody actually reads it anymore?), because we clearly do/have not have/had that in the church (meaning a true prophet, seer, and revelator) since Joseph & Hyrum.
A flaw in your argument is that IF JS was a prophet, seer, and revelator, then so were the 12 he called and ordained. The 15 have never, to my knowledge, ever acted in the capacity of a seer because none, including JS, are seers.
Great job, Justin! Thanks for being a truth seeker and intercessor. We've got to come clean from this iniquity "every whit". It's interesting that you have been accused of hiding in the shadows. That followers the pattern of the accusers, they always make accusations of what they themselves are doing. People need to see clearly so they can choose sides. It's time. 3 Nephi 8:1. We are going to need these miracles and miracle workers soon.
On the internet, putting content out annonymously saves the author and the consumers a lot of grief. We saw during the plandemic how easy it was to cancel doctors that questioned the main stream narative.
For the life of me, I can't find that account of Broadbent and his stake president anywhere. Anyone have a link or something I could use? I intend to share it with folks.
My guess is that RFM is relying on claims that Joseph was a fallen prophet without the protection of God and his angels, because then he cannot be called a martyr, only a fraud that got what was coming to him. RFM doesn't want Joseph to be a good man or a Prophet in other people's eyes. He only wants them to question everything so they will be "Free of Mormonism"
It’s very difficult to prove a theory but it is safe to say there are anomalies that don’t add up. I can accept the theory that the mob wasn’t as aggressive as it’s portrayed, it appears they wanted the gratification of a hanging more than killing them with guns. It’s hard to get an accurate account with such a chaotic event and when the human mind is at incredible stress levels I think it’s safe to say it’s a very real possibility that possible hallucinations could’ve happened. At the end of the day a theory is just that, a theory. But I give credit to the great effort in research in trying to come to some kind of assessment and I always stick with the saying, “There is no secret that time will not eventually tell.” We just have to be patient!
I'm not related whatsoever to the Smiths , but I was Mormon my whole life , I felt betrayed and lied to by the LDS Church , Im happy All this is coming to light so people know the truth .
Everything revelation revealed was voted on when Joseph Smith was alive, to be canonized. So the fact that the 12 don’t vote on things is questionable and has been since voting ended.
Still anxiously waiting to hear about the sermon from John Taylor you mentioned at the end of your last documentary about killing for the greater good.
They can be as creative as they want, but the fact remains that the official narrative is wrong and that in itself is telling. Why? Why are the accounts of the only real witnesses of what happened in that room so incorrect ?
I feel like I am watching your deconstruction in real time. It is such an interesting angle from which you are realizing the church is all false. Keep up the good work! I really appreciate your attention to detail and research done in good faith!
You're a modern-day Abinidai presenting before wicked King Noah, looking for an Alma to listen. Well, we are your Almas. We are listening. And we appreciate your work and your sacrifice. The truth has set us free. Thank you so much.
Disagreeing about the gun fight led to excommunication only because it implicated Richards and Taylor. If he did not claim that Richards and Taylor did the deed, then he would not have been X’ed.
I recently read that Richard’s and Taylor were BOTH opponents of polygamy. They said this doctrine would be the death of the religion. See “In Sacred Loneliness “ by Todd Compton
They were both practicing polygamy before Joseph died, alongside Brigham Young. In England prior to the martyrdom, Richards was committing adultery while on his mission with Brigham Young. BY was also potentially an adulterer while on the same mission due to an eyewitness testimony. Both JT and WR had very suspicious "feet washing" ceremonies with married women right before they retired to bed, which was a part of the John Cochrane (Cochranite) Spiritual Wifeism practices, which originated in the same area that they served their missions. BY was dreaming of polygamy while on his mission (it's written in his journal, where he claims it's a revelation)
The problem for them with your diversions from the LDS / Brighamite narrative than their diversions is who did it. It's who you are saying who did it, which I agree with you on, is the real problem for them, and they are using easy outs to get around that issue, which shows they are hypocrites because they are doing what they are criticizing you for doing.
Totally agree. They know the lds church narrative is wrong, they try to fix it, but their explanations will never fully make sense because they are not allowed to consider all options. They can only consider those that protect the authority claims of the lds church.
Those who do their research with the spirit upon them are those who get persecuted by those who defend the church. The Spirit to me claims all your hard work is truth. Persecution becomes you. 😀
I wonder if these "historians" were promised the "second anointing" if they would "lie for the Lord". But then what can you expect from a member of the Skull and Bones and a Rhodes Scholar. That's what we have leading this "church".
1:05:51 I see what you're saying; however, didn't they plug up that hole with gauze while taking the death mask, thus manipulating what the actual exit and entry wounds would've looked like? I'm recalling this from memory, so maybe I'm wrong here.
Justin, I applaud your truth-seeking effort. It’s refreshing to see a (former) member of the church actually question the truthfulness of church history because those of us on the outside looking in see it in a poor light overall. If only those on the inside would actually investigate their own church they could escape. So I understand why you would lose faith in the church, but I don’t understand why you’d still have faith in JS as a prophet. For your sake and because of your investigation talents, I think your next project should center on the central question of JS as a prophet. Were his writings accurate, a compilation of plagiarized work, inspired, or garbage? Maybe that’s too much, certainly is for most, but look what you’ve accomplished with WKJS!
@@justin-griffin right, that’s why I would think one would want to look harder at that central fact. Accepting that fact while questioning all others seems selective. But you’ve said you’ve done that, and I believe you at your word. 👍
@@mikespage0123 ya, the Book of Mormon and the lds church are not the same thing. The church makes it look like they are though. They use the BOM to prove their church is true. But the book of Mormon is its own thing, Not meant to be owned or controlled by any one group. Anyone can read it and decide for themselves.
@@justin-griffin sure, tracking from one of your videos that there are more users of or groups using the BoM than most know. I hadn’t heard of the Remnant descriptor for example. Just FLDS or RLDS. My only disagreement with that segment (one of your guests) is that I’ve noticed a wide range of people in the ExMo group beyond what he described but I’m sure he made his point with brevity in mind. So no real issues. As for the literary examination of the BoM, I’m fascinated by the idea that there were parallels (some might say plagiarism) with other literary works at that time. This article is one example of that argument besides others like the Spalding-Rigdon theory. Personally I love books but I hate to read (odd I know), so I haven’t dug into these works myself. And it’s probably lazy of me to ask you or someone like Hemlock Knots to do it. It’s also a measure of respect for your thorough approach and professional final product. If either you or Hemlock Knots took that on I know it would be a truth-seeking competent endeavor and the final product would be trustworthy. Anyway, I wish you well. I’m not Mormon/LDS, so I didn’t experience the emotion in watching WKJS part 1 and 2, but I enjoyed both and look forward to part 3 (not aware if released or not). And I respect the personal risk you took to seek truth and appreciate your transparency about it. While I don’t agree about JS as a prophet nor in the veracity of the BoM, I do think the church reacted to you in an unfortunate manner and I’m glad you and your family landed safely on your feet with faith intact (even if not mine). Best. lareviewofbooks.org/article/hiding-in-plain-sight-the-origins-of-the-book-of-mormon/
Congratulations on your hard work... I just watched your movie. I'am making some movies of my own. After watching your movie my number 1 question was... If in Joseph Smiths last sermon he made a prophecy reference to betrayal. Why wouldn't he know he was in the presence of his murders on that day?
Justin i truly believe that bcuz you are an authentic individual and began your quest for truth with altruistic beliefs and never imagined the train wreck of sorts that the Q15 has handed you and your family as they build that protective barrier around themselves just like John Taylor and Wilford Woodruff did after their plans were successful and innocent men died. There will be a reckoning for the Q15 that will be beyond belief. Leading the chorus of voices full of accusations will be Hyrum, Joseph and Emma. I have imagined that though they have found it possible to forgive John Taylor and Wilford Woodruff for their crimes in mortality, their gratitude for the sacrifice you and your wife and family have made for Truth in this matter will be expressed by them to all of you personally when you leave this probation realm and progress. That isn't much comfort, I know but it gives hope to every individual who has been the victim of the Q15's throughout the 200+years of unrighteous dominion that have punished altruistic individuals and those who will be punished in the future until the 2nd coming puts a stop to the corruption that exists today. Hang in there. It's good to see you inject humor or sarcasm or both into your analysis of the responses and conclusions of the respondents. You provide a healthy dose of cynicism to the ridiculous attempts the panels or the Q15 offered. They reveal a great deal of insight into their own characters which seems pretty shameful but it also reveals they could really care less about this whole thing and I guess that's the big difference, you actually cared. Stay with The Savior and continue to pray, He will keep you safe and close. You have many brothers and sisters who are with you. We have learned to listen more and speak less, it eliminates the target on your back and makes hearing the still small voice much easier. Good Luck!! God Bless!!
I respect your openness and research. Do you care about the reason behind Joseph being killed by friends? Like is your focus to prove another agenda or just the facts of the martyrdom?
Absolutely I care. I think the motive was in large part polygamy. Joseph and Hyrum were adamantly against it and they were about to expose the secret chamber practicing it.
@@justin-griffin why would they stand up for their brother, was it William, when he was getting chastised by men of the church for what I believe was this polygamy-type reports. Never mind, I’m sure it was a lie about their brother they weren’t going to stand for. It’s all so all or nothing, good vs bad. Nothing is ever that easy, so forgive my sarcasm, as I’m open to hearing a reply if you’re familiar with this info. I do enjoy listening, but sometimes it does require the right mindset, some patience, willingness to just listen, and no agenda or ruffled feathers on my end.
@@justin-griffinEver since the LDS church's publication of SAINTS members act like it was always taught that Joseph Smith was a Polygamist. I never learned about JS polygamist marriages before SAINTS.
What I would do is take those period rifles and develop a load that is just over the powder level to where the round will not squib and fire that at the analogs. You do that there is ZERO argument on powder levels.
I did that. With less and less powder until I was afraid it wouldn’t make it out of the end of the barrel. I shot it with a .50 cal pistol with only 25 grains of powder. It still went through the panel and all the way through the skull.
@@justin-griffin I want to say they used a flask and measure tube to powder fill those muskets back then. Curious to know the grain level for the fill tube. I am willing to bet it is about 45 grain for the .50 cal. Even if you were loading and spilled half the tube in a frantic rush it would be about 22 grain would make in. Even if the ball didn't reach super sonic it would still be devastating.
Um, you were excommunicated for saying that John and Willard killed Joseph. The rest of the discrepancies really don't matter (to the people who excommunicated you). Great work. Keep it up.
A later book called "Joseph The Prophet - Chase 1944" closes saying that Joseph was not killed by his enemies any more than was Jesus. Perhaps this was a weak attempt to draw a comparison to Jesus - or was it? Jesus of course betrayed by his friends.
Is it possible that one of them shot Hyrum first Joseph then shot that person with the pepper gun and he in turn was shot by the other?? The watch looks like it was shot by a smaller caliber like a pepper gun.
Willard was there to control that situation and tell them what happened. I wished they had done an investigation. I especially wished someone would have cross examined Willard and JT on the stand.
@@justin-griffin We have more information than any one person who was there. I'm not exactly impressed with the coroner's inquest. They didn't have very high standards back then. The data is incomplete, compromised, and contradictory. No one theory can harmonize everything. But John Taylor shooting Hyrum under the chin is the least plausible of the reconstructions. It has to be the worst place, time, and manner imaginable. These guys would have to be complete morons to devise this plan.
7:30 If a shot was fired from the mob, they would have told those on their side of the door to stand back from the door. So the door would have had no pressure on it from the mob side after the shot. So, JSJr could have easily opened the door quickly and fired a return shot without the door being opened completely from the mob on the other side.
I think it was an inside job. I agree with you. But I would say that it does make sense the mob would not enter the room after Joseph opened it and fired shots because they would be uncertain of what they're facing and how many weapons were inside. Especially if they were young kids
I think you should really consider that Hiram was in a struggle for the gun with John Taylor both with their hands on the weapon and it was facing upward between their bodies and fired into Hiram's chin and out his nose area
Here's a thought. Hyrum pushing against the door, pistol in hand. In the chaos, of the door getting pushed on Hyrum's pistol comes back under his chin and his own negligent discharge goes up through his neck and out through his nose. 🤔 What do you think about that?
A non expert researcher talking and examining and talking like expert. They love to discuss joseph and the church lol the church that i love most. Too many clown working since 1820 to put LDS down: that is what I call true persistence. Oh my i just love Joseph smith and the restored gospel. Proud to be an LDS
🤔🤔After watching the first two videos and about half of this one, I think it's possible that in the chaos of everything happening, Hyrum accidentally shot himself in the face after the shots through the door narrowly missed him. If you set it up with him up against the door, pushing holding a pistol in his right hand, with his finger on the trigger. 2 shots - hard push on the door - he stumbles back his right hand, coming back under his chin, and he shoots himself in the throat, with the bullet exiting by his nose. With the gunshot and stumble, he turns as he falls face down on the floor. With insult to injury, John Taylor also has a negligent discharge, and that bullet goes into Hyrum's back. Joseph believes this confirms John Taylor, a conspirator against him. Joseph & John Taylor have a gunfight. Willard Richards takes the shots at those outside the door and ultimately pushes Joseph out the window to save himself from any more shots coming in his direction. Willard & John Taylor try to hide the reality of what happened so that Joseph Smith Jr. becomes a martyr for his beliefs at the hands of a mob. Where the end was really unfortunate, mistakes in firearm muzzle discipline.
I understand LDS book. Smith has been did some thing different of the time : Democrats was radical slavist and First republicans was private . Joseph Smith at Alma is a fruit, a tree, a branch. His criticizers are gentils and phariseans. But Smith are the bad because He fought each space private. His book are reality, I am not Mormon but this book leave me Angels , God and protections
The narrative is never truly set. People learn more about what happens. I believe that you have set a completely unrealistic standard for the Q15 as you would say. Being prophets, seers, and revelators, doesn't mean that they know everything or should know everything. Nor does it mean they can't make mistakes. They aren't doing research; they don't have time for that. They trust the guidance of scholars and experts that advise them on these things.
@@justin-griffinWell, this is news to me. I'm sorry that it happened, especially if that's not something you wanted to happen. I can't claim to know exactly why they excommunicated you. I would love to know more about what happened in that process.
The more I've studied Isaiah, or at least tried to make sense of it, is that when a prophet comes forth (that is not from the church) people will not only be reluctant to follow but go against him in terrible ways. Think of King Noah and Abinadi. King Noah was supposedly the one leading the church with his priests. A stranger comes in and tells them to repent. Just know if we are truly one with God and Christ keeping the Spirit so close, we will be a Alma and follow him through persecution and danger.
The most important thing is the truth of Christ!! At the end that is the only thing that matters. Joseph has passed from this world and you are alive and what matters is what you do today. Live you’re truth with Christ! Be a peacemaker. Squabbling over who pulled the trigger doesn’t matter in the scheme of things.
For those who do not have the courage to seek Christ, but are bound down by fearful religious traditions, this information can lead to a watershed moment in their journey
Sorry, I feel like I am trolling your video, but I have to be fair to the case you're making. I agree with the points you make about the inside job narrative. However, I would just point out that Brigham Young, though maybe not righteous, has a pretty distinguished history of being transparent and unapologetic in his leadership of the church in his day. And we are all still here... So, even if Joseph was right in the moment he spoke, he would not live to discover he was both right...and wrong about a man HE also called friend. That said, Emma (according to Brigham) was smart. Brigham may not have known the when and where of the act, but he probably knew OF the act and that was why Emma included him in her accusations. Though Brigham and Emma had quite the spat over the years, the history records that Brigham tried to help Emma but she refused. The true "why" of that decision remains a story for her to tell at some future point if it were necessary to know. Again, I don't want you to think your work isn't solid or important. Thanks again for your great presentations here.
There's a book called Power vs Force by David R. Hawkins that describes a method for determining truth directly from the light of Christ (consciousness). It also shows the original purpose for which kings/wise men were to carry a heavy scepter/staff. Works only for integrous people for integrous purposes. I imagine it would help you especially as you attempt to sift through all these lies.
Pretty sure that Brigham had something to do with it, the research goes to his door. Mountain meadows massacre shows what type of person and people are in this cult. They’re going down with Diddy, don’t believe me? You’ll see
