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The old screamer killer screams because it was an abomination against nature, the new screamer killer screams because of its early onset male pattern baldness. Both tragic in their own ways
This is the official support thread for people affected by the Rules Gotchas theme. With each others help, we can get this song out of each others heads, in time.
I went to 2005 Chicago games day, and they had this giant multi table game going to decide the fate of the 40k universe. One of the kids next to me popped off several great shots with his imperial guard indirect and helped swing his table. They gave him a super cool painted vintage screamer killer. Mind you, there were a ton of other giveaways, so it wasn't like it was just him but this video shook up the synapses in my old ass brain and made me remember this.
A weird thing about the Screamer Killer in 1E is that there was the army list in White Dwarf 145 you showed which had Screamer Killer with stats like a big monster. The very next White Dwarf (No. 146; Feb' 1992) had an article on Dreadnoughts which was a preview of the Vehicle Handbook. It also had an entry for the Screamer Killer different rules for it being treated like a dreadnought. With vehicle damage tables. White Dwarf 146 also had the Tyranid fleet rules for Space Fleet - the precursor of battlefleet gothic.
I mean it's a bit wild to introduce a literal different interpretation of the unit right after putting an army list in WD but I presume. There are PDFs of WD 146 if you want a wild ride with the targeting grid mechanics they introduced for shooting at vehicles.
no one going to mention the lore tidbit of squigs being FACEHUGGED ORKS GENETICALLY ALTERED then rescued by Ork compatriots who recognised their bros and kept their buddies as new pets?
In my opinion, Voltage Field was a must for all Tyranids capable of getting biomorphs. They might as well have included it in their standard equipment. :D
It was so good, 4+ save after armour saves that wasn't modified, +1 strength, and it could shut down enemy power fields. It was insanely good for the cost, yet Warp Field (which was handy) got all the attention in WD battle reports.
Ive been collecting since 3rd edition so it might interest you to know that I bought the laviathan box specifically for the Tyranid half as it's an army I don't get have.... So much plastic going for cheap on eBay right now. My cousin had a tonne of these 3rd edition metal models and that Carnifex did not want to stay together.
The old synapse rules are one of the biggest distinctions I can think of with the tyranid army. It reinforced that individual tyranids are just basic biological units, they could have instinctual behaviour underneath the control imposed by the hive mind. Synapse was something you had to protect. It reminds me of funky rules from WFB like stupidity and demonic instability. It adds a little more chaos and nonsense to a fight where random stuff can always interrupt your plans.
Back in 2nd edition I was young and foolish, so didn’t think to get the extra strength to boost the Armour Penetration die. I instead just increased the toughness as many times as I could, think it was twice, so it ended up being immune to strength 5 and lower attacks if I recall correctly.
@OldenDemon I really need to find all the old rules and bits & bobs. Think with modern miniatures and a healthy dose of common sense, 2nd edition can get a new lease of life.
I buy Codexes for their art and the lore they come with. I try to get "older" ones, because they are expensive enough without rarity price hikes, such as the first few editions costing hundreds. I love the retro art of older Warhammer. Books get discontinued all the time, especially with Warhammer, such as the old Deathwatch RPG. I want to preserve any codex I buy because they'll eventually go out of print. Sorry for my disorderly rambling, but I'm ecstatic to find someone who appreciates Warhammer art as much as I do.
Ahhh good old 2nd ed Carnifexes. Ran 2 most of the time with Voltage Field for the reasons stated but usually also toughened exoskeleton putting them up to T9 and now just that bit more annoying to deal with as bar the Heavy Plasma Gun most heavy weapons were now wounding on 5's or 4's instead of 4's and 3's which did make a difference to get them where they needed to go.
I just remembered I had a 3rd edition Tyranid army from the release of the then new Tyranid minis and codex. Several units of termagants, genestealers, warriors, a hive tyrant a metal carnifex and some weird gorilla thing that had a cannon on it's back. I have absolutely no earthly idea what the hell happened to it, the whole army is missing, I don't have a single model or part, not so much as a wayward ripper Maybe they mutated further into space marines because it seems like everything just becomes space marines in the end.
It's fascinating the things that age out of WH and the things that stay through the years. Zoats are an obscure lore entry and an equally dated sculpt not present at all in the current canon and yet screamer killers and all the Genestealer cult models managed to make it back in after years if not decades out of production. More impressive, the Blood Angels @7:36 are all painted in essentially modern heraldry, save a few details like yellow aquillae.
Adrenal Glands were a highly useful biomorph for 2ED fexen. They let it move - advance, even - and still shoot it’s plasma. Very handy, given that blast weapons were like volley fire arrows back then - you fired them at an army and assumed enough of them won’t miss.
Damn its just dawning on me that was the joke i was about to type up a full response because I've been seeing people say stuff along those lines. But yep double the price after inflation makes sense.
I never had the older carnifex models but having old one eye in my 40k when I was a kid was a great time. Pretty sure he could only be used in armies underneath a certain size
This is the first time i notice that all the first incarnation Nids had this bloated heads. Everytime i only saw pictures of the screamer killers front but never the side
Love these videos. Though as a zoomer, I am confused by the Star Wars Prequels hate. We all hate the Sequels now, the Prequels are great. Catch up old man
I still remember the rule which had it so you couldn't target a Carnifex if there was a model that was over half it's size in front. Like a Genestealer. Which was less than twice the size of a Termigant. Which was less than twice the size of a Ripper Swarm...
I mean, I *have* the new box, but I haven't opened it yet. And I haven't even taken the Space Marine sprues out of the Indomitus box, either, because I have a serious problem with buying GW stuff.
My favourite biomorph was Adrenaline Glands. Nothing shocked your opponent like seeing a couple of these things charge across the board... and then shoot their bio-plasma!
7:29 and 8:54: I would love a battlereport in your style of this particular battle. It was my introduction into 40k. I still have the White Dwarf but it's german so I sadly can't give you the english number.
"Just think of it as an early first draft and pretend it never happened." not gonna lie i've given more than a few serious thoughts to "pulling a TOW" on 40K. 10E rules with RT/2E lore. Maybe calling it 2.10 (deliberately Two-Point-Ten) or something. You know, the whole "Secret Sith Lord Jar Jar" thing
3rd edition Tyranids were strange. The Carnifex in particular being S10 and a monstrous creature meant it rolled 2D6 + S against vehicle armor, with armor MAXING out at 14 your average land raider held up as well to a Carnifex assault as your average empty soda can does to a sledge hammer blow. That was the era of what I called the big and small strategy for Tyranids. They were almost unbeatable as long as you fielded only gaunts (of any type) and monstrous creatures. Nothing on a medium size base was to be fielded at all other than Zoanthropes. The medium size stuff all suffered terribly to the instant death rules since they had only T4 and armor that...wouldn't save anything S8 or higher and rules at the time mean squads could always ignore smaller bugs to shoot at bigger bugs behind them so Tyranid Warriors, Ravagers, Lictors, etc. were all trash as they just got wiped out by devastator squads on turn 1.
In a days time when we find out who won the Leviathan launch box global campaign thingey, if it is Tyranids and we do see all the upcoming Tyranid releases till the end of the year (boo if it's space marines, no one cares about new space marine models, the data card stack alone shows how many bloody space marine models exist currently (off the cards alone all of the tyranids and all of the eldar together still have less then the space marines, so here's hoping everyone's favourite food guzzling aliens win it), I, and presuming most everyone else here, expect top see the edit to your video when the hunter slayers are announced (because that would be grand if they are), but really, the hunter slayer, as per the entry in the 2nd ed tyranid codex, is just another name for the Termagant just like Spook is another common name for Lictor's. Also, the immeasurable pain you caused me by pronouncing a TermaGANT as a TermagaUnt especially when you have TermaGANT plastered all over the imagery and descriptors you have shown in this video is hard to fully express here. For shame on you calling yourself Olden demon and not embracing that up until the 3rd ed codex it was always Gants have guns whilst Gaunts have claws. Interestingly, a Termagant is defined as a harsh tempered and overbearing woman, and a group of termagants could easily be tied in with references to gangs of old ladies as introduced by Monty Python. Look harmless enough, till you get up close and personnal and then you're in for it. Missed opportunity I say! :p Jokes and grumblings aside, being a bloke who owns 34 screamer killers in varying states of assemblage/painting/dire need of stripping away some kids glorious childhood 90's paint job and repainting it into some adults glorious rendition of some kids glorious 90's paint job, well 37 screamer killers if we count the 3 from Leviathan (remember kids, when GW says 'No! You can't have more then one of our FOMO things, even if we supplied your country with so many that they are still available for sale in GW stores despite the standard introduction boxes to the game going up for pre-order this weekend and into general sale next week', your friendly local games stores exist who whilst being slapped with a one only per person leash, aren't just friendly local games stores, but friendly local games stores that ship country wide for less money then it costs to use public transport to travel to your local GW 20 minutes away by bus {only to be forced to log into their stupid little pre-order terminal and do what what you could have done just by staying at home and getting wired on immense amounts of coffee instead} and then back home again, and then, selling all GW direct stuff at 20% off GW's RRP for a wicked I can now buy even more plastic crack with all these savings all because last year when a new AoS army was released GW's webstore had nothing in stock and suddenly I got forced to go look elsewhere and leave my buddy that manages the local GW store and has for well over a decade now, hanging and suddenly losing thousands of dollarydoos from me to an FLGS interstate whose webstore was infinitely more accessible and user friendly...I may have gone off down that path over there {or was it back here} but that's okay because it's all hidden neatly behind one of these wicked symbols ) but we're not going to soil our glorious rt/2nd ed and some 3rd ed models that no longer have a place in the modern feel of the tyranid swarms but still do in rt and 2nd ed armies looks wise, rather those new screamer killers they're gonna be treated as splinter fleet screamer killers - you know, the tyranids that were too cowardly and incompetently crap at what theyw ere engineered to do and thus failing to do their job right the first time and instead decided to embrace the ork philosophy of 'piss ya pants and run away from da inferior species that ain't fightin fair and all choppy choppy against us orks so weez best run away and den fight anuvver day' tyranids. Anyone that thinks the splinter fleets are otherwise have been away from the glory of the Hive Mind for too long - because that's where they belong, but digressing aside, speaking as a bloke that owns 34 of these marvellously awesome and cuddly screamer killers, your video highlighting their awesome, especially the part about hitting strength 8 and suddenly being able to treat their biga ss claws as 2 pairs of chop sticks to guzzle down all the food in front of them in more refined style in 2nd ed 40k because of the increase in damage die used, tickled all the right buttons for me. So thank you. This was glorious. Also, now I am tempted to model an Old One Eye with old Yarrick standing in front of him on his base purely to double as an objective marker for anyone - rescue Old One Eye...which one again? Hehehe. *Insert super secret Tyranid Farewell which is like the super secret Tyranid greeting which Andy Chambers accidentally got photographed doing some years ago and so it isn't as super secret as it once was or maybe there's more super secret tyranids out and about then people know about. Anyways, one of those farewells and thankyous. :)
@@OldenDemon Andy Chambers summed up mispronunciations pretty succinctly earlier this year in an interview as he exclaimed over how the Tyranids somehow went from being the Tie-ranids from Tyran to the Tee-ranids from Tyran. Somewhere between 3rd and around 5th edition gants just became gaunts especially to newer players and it's very much just termagants now still being referred to as termagaunts by a large chunk of players even though the new edition the Termagant unit also comprises of the spinegaunt spinefist variant and the devilgaunt devourer variants all coming under the termagant unit listing. I do like that Screamer killers are their own thing though these days, though dislike how normal carnifexes can be taken in broods of 2 now but screamer killers can only be singular as with 10th ed the rule of 3 means you can only have 3 in a normal army, which is a bit frustrating, won't stop games between friends allowing whatever you want, but yeah.
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It's because the prequels don't exist. A New Hope is actually episode 1. With Rogue Trader, it's not referred to as Warhammer 40,000 1st edition so much as warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader, because it was a lot of ideas all sort of lumped in together to try and make a lot of ideas and rules transition away from a pen and paper role playing game system into a functioning and smooth playing (mostly anyways) tabletop wargame which is where it eventually ended up. The Star wars Prequels, whilst written after star wars was actually introduced in the original trilogy, is sort of like a reverse engineering of all the good things that star wars was into a bit of a shit storm of crap that didn't need to be explained in 3 whole movies that made the episode 1 anakin actor get so much real world trauma he literally destroyed all of his star wars stuff because of how much pain it caused him being the laughing stock of everyone as he grew up, and which also drove the actor who voiced jar jar binks to the brink of actual real suicide because of how much hate his character took from a fan base that did not like the pre-quels at all because they didn't need to exist toe xplain where everything came from and how the universe was as a setting for star wars. The difference is that the prequel reference looks at something written after the fact whilst rogue trader was the first iteration of what was to become the 40k universe as a whole and this is why Olden Demon explains it as an edition of the game you probably should just treat as an early first draft that didn't actually happen, because in the eyes of many star wars fans, the prequels just never happened. Long winded explanation but hopefully that makes it make more sense.
@@paramite67 a lot of it is the continuity between the prequels and the original trilogy. The original trilogy was made first, it was revolutionary and nothing had quite managed to do and achieve what it had as a movie series prior to the original 3 movies. But essentially the prequels ignored the technology level of the original 3 movies that are canonically set just 20 years into the future from the end of the prequels. The prequels had independently willed AI super villain robots that could take on a jedi knight in singular combat or take on multiple jedi knights at once and come out on top killing those jedi. It had droids that were mass produced armies of self contained portable shield generators with enough firepower to destroy a medium sized space ship. It had aliens rocking primitive technology that was actually advanced energy weaponry, get destroyed by technologically superior droid armies. 20 years later, the best you'll see from droids are that they are glorified mechanics or waiters or interpreters. They aren't walking death machines and they don't flood the setting with their prescence. In the original trilogy the old republic fell through a civil war where evil won and the empire took over ruling through terror as a galaxy spanning dictatorship. In the prequels, the galactic republic consisting of thousands of member worlds in a giant democratic republic, was toppled over night by an advisor to a representative of just one of those member worlds who was portrayed as a clueless, clumsy, buffoon, and who turned around and as his first act when his member worlds representative was not present was to incite a vote of no confidence in the current administration and it just happened instantly and the first act of the new leader of this democratic assembly of worlds was to dissolve this united governing body of worlds and incite a military coo and civil war...but he couldn't do that until he was elected as leader...and when he was, instead of everyone voting against them losing all of their power to represent their species and planets rights on even ground, they just stood back and let this up until a minute ago, senator just crush everything their government stood for. It makes no sense. the emperor could have done that without all this voting crap but he needed to be in the leadership position to do it and everyone would just be ok with it then? It's unrealistic writing. visually the prequels are awesome. And as a kid, if they were the star wars movies that were out for you at the movies, I get the love. I'm an 80's kid and I grew up on original star wars, and the prequels, they just weren't star wars. They were George Lucas wanting to flex his technological advancements in graphics and movie production with a loose hardly makes sense, no continuity that is grounded in reason, movies, using his most successful franchise of movies as a basis. And then he deliberately injected unnecessary amounts of kid based clumsy and dopey humoured characters into the mix including on the basic droids and that just ruined the universes immersion for basically the entire existing fan base, which was massive and massive in a way that pre-internet massive across the whole planet was massive in its' fan base. Very few things had managed to achieve such a following and to the majority of that fan base, the prequels just spat in the face of them and the universe that they had grown to love.
@@auretioustaak6579 what is the AI super villain robots ? i watched the prequel : phantom menace, clone attack, revenge of the sith and clone wars. Sorry if i don't get your critic i'm a 2001 person so i'm a bit lost
Well, i would like to add that the traumas suffered by the actors of the prequels have less to do with the overall quality of the prequels (which in mi opinion is low), and more with those "fans" being dysfunctional animals.
I could swear the old terminators save was 2+ on 2d6 meaning you needed a weapon with AP to even damage them going with the lore of terminators being walking tanks that shrug off all small arms fire.
No, it was 3+ on 2d6 in 2nd, so could die to a guardsman's rifle butt if you rolled snake eyes. Has been 2+ on 1d6 in every other edition, with varying levels of invulnerable saves.
Back in those days the comic 2000ad, and writer Pat Mills in particular, could still be felt in the genetic makeup of W40K. I always assumed Old One Eye was a direct reference to a character of the same name from their story Flesh, in which T-Rex Old One Eye spent every episode devouring time travelling cowboys who were hunting dinosaurs to extinction because the future had run out of food.
@@jackp492 Part of the proud T-Rex bloodline that goes: Old One Eye in Flesh, mother of Satanus in The Cursed Earth, who fathered Golgotha in ABC Warriors. Satanus also metaphorically birthed Rex Peters: The Man Who Drank The Blood Of Satanus. And then went time travelling into the world of Nemesis the Warlock, which was itself the basic blueprint for W40K.
The prequels are perfectly fine and I will die on this hill. Everyone who thought Star Wars would be better without George are getting exactly what they deserve.
Don't you DARE INSULT THE OLD SCREAMER KILLER!!! Its one of my favorite models from the first range. the new one just looks meh. I know I am just an old grognar so gimme an break. I miss second ed. the rules were stupid. But man some of the most insane stupid (fun) heroic things happened in that rule set.
8:27 No, no, no. Come on. The CODEX gave it a 3+ save. The list that came in the rulebook gave it a 5++ save instead. In my first game in that edition mine was killed by lasguns.
Huh, my very very battered copies of Codex Imperialis and the "barely a book" Codex Army Lists* that came with 2E 40K boxed set definitely has Carnifex's having 3+ on 2d6, identical to terminator armour. Literally have them to hand. An army list of exactly 5 units. (Hive Tyrants which didn't have a model yet, Termagents, Tyranid Warriors, Genestealers and Carnifexs. Also just noticed that the Genstealer Army list in Codex Army List let you take either Tyranids OR Chaos as allies, but not both at the same time.
i enjoy your videos but i do think the AI art is not very pretty compared to all the original 40k artwork and book pages. Just seems like a weird choice but you do you i guess
I think it's a dual thing , people really like Space Marines, GW REALLY like Space Marines and they tend to have models for their whole army so people gravitate towards that and the whole thing just keeps spinning. And Americans are also.pretty stupid for Space Marines
Bro, why the prequels hate? I understand that they had some issues, but they were a blast and at least 70% good. Hell, you want shit? The sequels are there, by comparison the prequels were a masterpiece with some lows more than a mid-bad trilogy, which they never were!
Going to see the Phantom Menace in 1999 and being disappointed was pretty much a formative experience for many 2E 40K players for whom Star Wars was the original trilogy they had seen reruns on TV over Christmas and Easter (in the UK at least) alongside playing Jedi Knight and Tie Fighter vs X-Wing on MS DOS. The prequels are more fondly regarded now by people who watched them whilst far younger and the bad writing has been embraced as memes.
@@thomasparker6124 i am not denying that there is some bad writing, i just think that it was waaaaay over criticised by fans that were expecting something else. Jar Jar? Badly written, sure. The Anakin-Padme relationship? I know it was meant to be cringy, and it achieved the awkwardness, but they overshot it, sure. Beside those 2 glaring and over focused cases, i have a hard time calling everything else bad writing, it's more up to tastes (i loved the political scheming and take of the prequels, but if you are not into that, i understand why you may don't like it, but calling it, objectively, bad writing is simply untrue).
@@giacomoromano8842 I love political scheming, but nothing anyone does in the prequels makes any sense whatsoever if you think about it for more than a minute. Especially if you disregard the extended material that tries to plug the many holes. The prequels have a special place in my heart because I was a kid when the Phantom Menace came out, and they led to some pretty good stuff, but by any objective measure they are not good movies.
they were bad, that's why. stilted acting, shitty dialogue, nonsensical stories. I don't even agree that the sequels are much worse than the prequels. Just more of the same garbage, 7 was even kind of better in many ways before going down the fever dream rabbit holes of bullshit that were 8 and 9.
@@user-og5rk5lt1s come on, that's way too harsh and you know it. The sequels tried to emulate the first trilogy, but guess what? In doing that they sucked immensely. The prequels tried to have a more nuanced, complicated and expanded view on how things got to be that bad, greatly expanding and building up the world of star wars, which the original had a hard time doing (Think about it, how many "civilised planets" do we get to see in the originals? Tattooine, Bespin, maybe Endor can be considered civilised, but then stop. In the prequels we see Naboos, Corruscant, Kamino, Mustafar, Geonosis! Aliens taking center stage as a integral part of the universe, huge pillars of world building and build up!) The prequels had a hard time to deliver what they setted up, but at least they delivered it in a linear manner! Anakin passing to the Dark Side, the plotting of Palpatine, the Separatist War, the corruption and fall of the republic, the hypocrisy of the Jedi Order, all plots that, with some hiccups, were created, explored and ended. The sequels? It's a messed jumbles of fragmentary plots and stories that go nowhere and are constantly build and destroyed by two bickerinf directors and disney trying to get as much money as possible. Hell, Revenge of The Sith is a masterpiece in delivering the Climax of the prequels, none of it can be said of the Sequels.
