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Learning the cadenza of Rachmaninoff's 3rd concerto | Vlog #4 | Josh.V.Music 

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The epicly amazing ossia cadenza of Rachmaninoff's 3rd piano concerto! A continuation in my vlog series on learning the Rach 3...
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@pinkegg3179
@pinkegg3179 4 года назад
I love this part of the concerto. I've started learning the notes yesterday note by note. my neighbours must think I'm drunk or my cat is walking on the low notes very slowly for a very long time
@bilahn1198
@bilahn1198 3 года назад
This Cadenza is so epic and so thrilling, as well as very organic to the movement, that I always feel acutely deflated when the other Cadenza is performed instead. This so-called Ossia Cadenza was actually written first, I believe by Rachmaninof. He wrote the other one in response to criticism which he had a bad habit of taking too seriously throughout his life. I would love to hear you discuss the Prokofiev 2nd concerto Cadenza! Do you dare?😁
@ricardogarciasoto6828
@ricardogarciasoto6828 4 года назад
I couldn’t have explained it better, Rach 3 is the perfect representation of the heroe’s journey in music as well as deeply sublime
@3210vca
@3210vca Год назад
Not very many classical performers can really communicate with such articulateness. Hats off to this awesome pianist who is also devastatingly handsome as Rach3 is glorious!!!
@JK-tr2mt
@JK-tr2mt 3 года назад
Great to see and hear an artist working through and explaining this wonderful epic.
@JK-tr2mt
@JK-tr2mt 3 года назад
Gosh, he injured himself practicing this! It's so physically demanding!
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 3 года назад
Yes, the only time that's ever really happened to me. I think the real reason was I was trying to force myself to learn it too fast to meet a deadline for the competition, while in the meantime I was super stressed about being in the doctoral music program so I didn't give myself enough rest!
@mayaboone5756
@mayaboone5756 3 года назад
If you haven't already, you HAVE to listen to Alexander Malofeev's recording of this piece. It's inspiring, one of the best recordings I have ever heard. His phrasing is just phenomenal on the cadenza. It's not all blasting your ears off, there's so much shaping to tell your ear where you're going. Great vid, man!
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 3 года назад
I have seen one of his performances on youtube. Amazing pianist!
@789armstrong
@789armstrong 3 года назад
I have 45 recordings and Alexander Malofeev plays the last movement better than anyone, but on the 1st 2 mvmnts I prefer Olga Kern and Yuja Wang.
@boerre9000
@boerre9000 3 года назад
Oh wow, this was quality content for piano nerds 👌👌
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 3 года назад
Glad you think so! Haha
@DaleHubbard
@DaleHubbard 4 месяца назад
Wonderful and very humbling!
@clarkedhaldane
@clarkedhaldane Год назад
it is also my favourite (besides the Grieg cadenza) ... i also like at the beginning of the cadenza that you did not rush those three buildup sequences... it must slow down at the end of each sequence ...anna fedorova also does the beginning very well by slowing it down (but not letting it die out) at the end of each of the three buildup "stanzas" ... even though I am an amateur, I think I could direct the cadenza like a master class teacher
@maximilianjazzpiano
@maximilianjazzpiano 4 года назад
I was waiting for this video 😉Thank you very much for your efforts and work! Really looking forward to a complete performance 😊Best wishes, Maxi
@dale731
@dale731 3 года назад
You are obviously an intelligent and thoughtful pianist who helped others to understand this titanic piece. It is the greatest of piano concertos.
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 3 года назад
Thanks, it is very special piece to me, as it is one of the reasons I initially chose to become a pianist in the first place!
@AntonAchondoa
@AntonAchondoa Год назад
Your approach to the cadenza is phenomenal! So much emotional sweep as well as insightful analysis.
@nogo4022
@nogo4022 3 года назад
I’m so grateful for your explanations of the technical (injuries included!). We audience members, no matter how adoring, sometimes forget that proficiency is a combination of artistry and physical conditioning. I am really looking forward to seeing you on the concert stage. Thanks so much for your insights!
@michaelowens5394
@michaelowens5394 3 года назад
"seasick section" -what a great word-picture!
@nathanclement9314
@nathanclement9314 3 года назад
Very cool video. This is one of my favorite piano concertos of all time and it was fun to see how you have worked through the cadenza.
@kenelliott8944
@kenelliott8944 3 года назад
This was wonderful. Helpful. Clarity. I hope to start working on this piece here in a year or two. Thank you!
@kevinbrehmer919
@kevinbrehmer919 Месяц назад
This is an excellent video Josh. It was fascinating learning what it takes to not only play this difficult passage, but also what it takes to learn how to learn it. You do an excellent job of describing this. I never realized that one could suffer injury as you did. I should have realized this though. Is there a part II? Will you perform the entire cadenza for us? This truly is a remarkable piece of music. I listened to the ossia cadenza thousands of times.
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic Месяц назад
The full concerto is up on my page! And yes, almost every single professional musician I know has been injured at least once. Tendonitis can take a while to heal and so can carpal tunnel so it's important to be careful especially when playing difficult music for extended periods of time.
@justelynnnjoelle
@justelynnnjoelle 4 года назад
7:10 RIP headphone users
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 4 года назад
😅😅 my apologies
@markdecker2112
@markdecker2112 3 года назад
really like your explanation here. this is a cadenza that sounds worse the faster it is played in my opinion. you explain the conflict that is generated during this quite well.
@PatrickStypinsky
@PatrickStypinsky 3 года назад
I’d love to see you play his Corelli variations - I always thought it was the perfect end to his music, like he was searching all his emotions, battling his depressive mind, and then finally finding rest. Rach 3 is so massive in emotion i always found so much inspiration in it. Thanks for the analysis and insight!
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 3 года назад
The Corelli variations are great, but I have never looked at them. I would love to learn those and his 2nd piano sonata among other works!
@kenelliott8944
@kenelliott8944 3 года назад
One of the big reasons I like your stuff so much as you talk about things like battles and clashes and pipe organs and escaping from hell and all of these ideas add a layer of shape and beauty to the notes.
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 3 года назад
Haha, glad you tolerate my crazy ideas! 🤣 I find if I don't have some concept behind what I do then it loses impact
@parsa.noroozian.counselling
@parsa.noroozian.counselling 4 года назад
Hey Josh, awesome video, I LOVE rach 3 and have listened to it many times, and watching this video connect with the music more deeply through your breakdown, keep uploading practice vlogs bc I enjoy them even as a non-pianist
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 4 года назад
Thanks! I'm glad to hear that. I try to avoid technical musical jargon too much so that what I say is understandable for everyone.
@user-uq6tx3nl9k
@user-uq6tx3nl9k 4 года назад
Keep up with the work! You are so amazing!!
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 4 года назад
Thanks!
@wandren912
@wandren912 3 года назад
Rachmaninoff是最好的作曲家
@reteprewolf9180
@reteprewolf9180 3 года назад
Absolutely fabulous
@MySecretJourney
@MySecretJourney 4 года назад
Omg I love your channel already. I love these types of videos.❤️
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 3 года назад
Thank you so much!! I'm finally able to upload new videos like these since I have access to the practice rooms once again, just uploaded a new one yesterday in case you're interested: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-db7XaXxxSbE.html
@KenL414
@KenL414 Год назад
This cadenza is insane, technically - I actually think the original is prettier, and the Ossia is more impressive. Love the technical breakdown of this brutally difficult sequence, and the candid explanation of some of the challenges.
@MichaelConwayBaker
@MichaelConwayBaker 3 года назад
Yes, the Mt. Everest of piano concertos. Some make it to the top, many don't.
@MisterSwanson94
@MisterSwanson94 3 года назад
Today I bought the Boosey and Hawks edition for 2 pianos! I'd really like to learn the Ossia Cadenza (and afterwards when more time the entire first movement), do you think it's possible for an amateur pianist to learn this cadenza (with the proper guidance for the techniques) within a year? My piano level : I can play Rachmaninoff's famous C-sharp prelude again after a long layoff (which is nowhere near this level). But I reckon it's quite individual and all has to do with your musical/emotional maturity and understanding of music and of course the amount of hours you put into it? Like I said it's a project for an entire year, besides that I'm still going to learn other pieces (from him) aside this one, to have some variety during my studying : more of his preludes and the 18th variation of rhapsody on a theme of Paganini ^^ Btw, your videos are amazing, they will come in handy! Sorry for the long post!
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 3 года назад
Hmm, if you can already play the C-sharp minor prelude, and are giving yourself a whole year, then I think the cadenza could be possible. It would still take a lot of work and even after a year you may have some things to still work on but I would go for it! Btw if you are interested in lessons I do offer lessons on zoom. You can email me at joshvigranpiano@gmail.com
@MisterSwanson94
@MisterSwanson94 3 года назад
@@joshvigranmusic well I’ll might take some lessons from you in the future, since many music/piano teachers in my country find it ludicrous to just learn a part of a piece, and especially said cadenza… After my exams I’ll contact you by mail! 😁
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 3 года назад
OK great, looking forward to it!
@BsktImp
@BsktImp Год назад
If you're listening with earpods/headphones remove them 7:10-7:14.
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic Год назад
I'm so sorry 🤭
@henryhorst9858
@henryhorst9858 Год назад
Would it be possible to make a file that can show the fingerings you use in the score?
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic Год назад
Yes, I make these and other files available to my Patreon subscribers! www.patreon.com/josh_v_music
@henryhorst9858
@henryhorst9858 Год назад
@@joshvigranmusic I noticed that, but is that just for your solo version, or do you have them marked on the original score as well
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic Год назад
I have everything marked in my original score and I'm happy to upload any sections requested, as well as explain them!
@royerzurumluoglu2466
@royerzurumluoglu2466 3 года назад
Hey Josh, do you have any book recommendations for analyzing music like you did in the video?
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 3 года назад
One of the best books I know for the type of analysis that can instantly transform playing in practice is "Sound in Motion" by David McGill. Daniel Barenboim also recommends it as one of the great books for a performing musician!
@lin_leaf
@lin_leaf 2 года назад
Me with less than of year of playing piano, thinking I could learn this by practicing it slowly for a whole year : 🤭😶😕😔
@jzcpan
@jzcpan 3 года назад
what publisher are you using for the copy of rachmaninoff's concerto?
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 3 года назад
I'm just using the Schirmer edition. It is decent, but in one of my earlier vlogs I mention that it is a little cluttered, not a lot of space to write in the margins. I've heard Boosey and Hawkes is good, but more pricey.
@tonomora6837
@tonomora6837 3 года назад
The cadenza of Andre Watts is different. Why?
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 3 года назад
I haven't specifically heard Andre Watts' recording, but I'm guessing that he played the other cadenza. Rachmaninoff wrote 2 of them.
@vincentsmith6051
@vincentsmith6051 3 года назад
Watts played a hybrid of the two cadanzas.
@sergei-prokofiev
@sergei-prokofiev 2 года назад
Best cadenza is still Prokofiev piano concerto no. 2!!!
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 2 года назад
I gotta admit that cadenza is amazing especially Ashkenazy's recording. I'd rate them pretty close.
@sergei-prokofiev
@sergei-prokofiev 2 года назад
@@joshvigranmusic hahaha yea right but well for me it's like a different planet to learn that is just going to be impossible hahahahha
@jackekstrand8781
@jackekstrand8781 3 года назад
9:00 me when I play anything
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 3 года назад
😂
@789armstrong
@789armstrong 3 года назад
2 bars at the bottom of page 26 are excessive and need to be omitted.
@corvanha1
@corvanha1 11 месяцев назад
gymnastics not more
@Sunster2000
@Sunster2000 2 года назад
Why don,t you just write out the chord changes very simple!
@joshvigranmusic
@joshvigranmusic 2 года назад
I more or less analyzed all the chord changes, but it's not as simple as writing a jazz lead sheet. Every single chord has a particular voicing and placement that needs to be memorized
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