I have recently put both dogs on prong collars and what a game changer. About two weeks ago, we were coming out of the training yard, when the dogs caught sight of something that triggered their prey drive, I never saw what it was. I had both leashes in one hand and as they instantly hit a 0 - 60 prey drive, they've done this before, but I was ready for it by staying vigilant. I was jerked forward and onto the ground, the dogs immediately stopped and focused on me like I've trained them to do. By day two I was feeling it, I had what felt like whiplash, my knees/elbows were scuffed up and my usual chronic pain was off the charts. For safety reasons, I felt it necessary and long overdue, when walking two dogs at one time, it's hard to watch for prey drive triggers, cars and manage ecollar corrections. Ecollars will still be used for their one-on-one training sessions. I love how the prong collar correction is immediate and, in some instances, automatically applied like when lunging at cars, a firm leash pop means a hell of allot more as well. It's sad that electronic and prong collars are two of the most misunderstood but highly effective training tools.
Glad you’re liking them and it’s working for you. Pretty drive is generally better addressed in more controlled off leash scenarios (in a fenced area or on a long line) with the ecollar. You can stop it there so that on your walk they already know they can’t do it.
Using the ecollar and or just a verbal recall I could correct loading or call them off a squirrel, a cat running through a yard across the street or people walking their dog along the fence, they were great in the training yard on/off leash and long line, the issue was on walks when (without loading, that's why I missed it) something would set off their prey drive, usually at night a few times during the day, a cat, a pattern resembling a cat, and birds like the peacocks/crows and without a hint take off after it, I never knew when this was going to happen. The last straw was the accident, I can't risk getting hurt, it could be worse next time. @@MiracleK9Training
I think you've misunderstood me, there are no signs when this happens, it's instant. If there was loading, I would have corrected it with the ecollar. Prong collars allow me to give an instant correction to both dogs when they load, if they go off on something without loading and I miss it, the prong collar instantly makes that action uncomfortable. @@MiracleK9Training
I am a very petite female, trying to walk my two Labradors - 55 lbs and 100 lbs who have some serious focus issues. I absolutely cannot walk them by myself. I am considering trying the prong, but Im afraid that I wont use it correctly. I just moved across country for a medical travel position, and currently don't have the $1500 for a dog trainer. The dogs are miserable because they cannot exhaust any energy, and so am I because I feel like a horrible dog parent. I see all by seaside neighbors walking their very well behaved dogs walking along the harborwalk. I would love to be able to take my dogs out like that. The added issue, after watching your video, is that there would be no "releasing the pressure" because my dogs are continuously pulling, similar to being on the back of a dog sled.
Even if you implement the prong “incorrectly” you won’t hurt your dogs. Trust me. These tools are safer than having the dog pull into flat collars constantly. I would recommend starting with this and seeing where you get. You’ll see once you start it how effective they can be. Start one at a time as you introduce the prong.
Question: should a prong collar be evenly on both sides or can it be lob sided? When I put the prong collar on my dog it’s sometimes has to be lob sided just to fit it snugly
Why would you not him to pee ? 😂 i have a dobie and he instantly knew what to do very smart puppy of 11months . But now that i know how use the prong collar properly i will start this training thank you guys !
Keep in mind these tools are designed for dogs. It’s almost impossible for them to create any actual damage. Your dog lunging and feeling the correction is what deters the behavior.
Finally a training video with a big dog! My 10 month old newf does that to me and he’s over 140(I’m a 120 lb female)I just purchased a prong collar. I left my vet in tears today unable to simply weigh him because he was sniffing everything in the office. I’ve feared using this collar without training but I’m unable to control him. Btw I’ve done all the positive training 😖I’ve also used no pull harness, flat collar and martingale collars. Nothing helps!!
Thanks for this video My rottweiler is 1 year old and has become so stubborn. So I have to get a prong collar & I was really hurt about that. He's so sweet & cute. 😢But this makes me feel a lot less mean about the process. We gon be alright. ❤
@@MiracleK9Training UPDATE Day 1 DRASTIC IMPOROVEMENT. Me and JoJo went for a run last night and he did not drag me down the street. He ran at my pace, took breaks & slowed down on command. I will continue using the collar for indoor behavior training. Thanks so much. I do have a question. How do I stop him from peeing in other people's houses? I don't take him to anyone's house because of that.
@@djmeekyoutube happy to hear that it’s gone well! Peeing in others houses usually has to do with giving too much freedom too quick. First time I go somewhere new I don’t usually let my dog loose in someone else’s house so I can give direction and avoid those issues
Thresholds + walk are two separate skills. I agree there is benifit to working on getting one good before moving on to the other but you can work them simultaneously while doing that.
Doesn`t matter: choke or prong, my Rednose will literally drag you with your legs behind on the ground. I only leave him on the prong so he gets plenty of blood to his brain. The choke chain would probably choke him out. His whole life is based on playing with other dogs. Can I take off those black little rubber caps they put on the ends of each prong? He seems to feel no pain, just like a Pitbull.
3.2 is a little bigger than I like. I generally go with 3mm. That said, you just need to take enough links out for it to fit snug and high up on the neck.
He associates the collar with something bad. I got my dog use to the collar before we ever used it. I would get it out show it to her and give her treats. Let her wear it for a bit while feeding her and giving treats. When she sees the prong collar now she gets excited because she knows we are going outside and going to have some fun training. You have to go above and beyond to make it fun and rewarding for them.
IV a male the same size, watching you walk him before the collar and laughing that's what our walks our like 😂 he's broken 3 leads and 2 collars with his pulling hope this prong collar helps
@@MiracleK9Training omg like night and day difference! First time he yelped abit when ever I corrected him but today he's caught on not to pull I should of got one years ago lol cheers
You mentioned this was a 3 step process with Killian. How do I find the other 2 videos? I'm sorry I'm a little lost. I'm a new subscriber. And also thanks for such an amazing video!
You just have to preemptively have a good idea of when the dog typically needs to go and just let them know OK and walk them into the grass spot you need them to go in.
when i’m walking with him i hold him close to my left and when i give home more leash and allow him to be about 2 or 3 feet in front of me he knows it’s ok to use the restroom
Dude thabk you for the info, I have a 8 month old Huskador and she does well when we walk around middle of the night ni one around. But I want to get her into the public because I hate when I can't take her around with me if I'm going somewhere dog friendly. She just has so much excitement and she's getting stronger by the day. I'm excited to start prong training
My dog does his poo during our morning walk, you said your dog had gone toilet before the walk. If I cannot get him to do his poo before the walk, I would be correcting him when he needs to go toilet. How would I treat this?
You could either let him go right before the walk or start your heeling then when you think he needs to go give him an “ok” release and walk him off into the grass to go.
Dogs love training. Have Rottweiler and Catahoula Leopard Dog cross pups. Very smart and want very badly to please. Both are good and prey driven. Thanks for your tips!
I have got a very headstrong Old Tyme bulldog. I got her a Herm prong ...can you tell me how for her to wear it though? She has got big wobbly chops and neck rolls. Thank you
High on the neck above all of that. No different than any other dog. Just be careful when using it and pay attention to their breathing if you’re needing to use a lot of pressure.
Just a quick question.....With a dog this big and powerful why no back up collar with the prong?....I've had mine come loose once or twice and have a lead the same as yours except it has 2 ends...one for the prong one for the back up
Personally I’ve only ever seen the smaller 2.25 prongs come undone or the ones with the quick release buckle which this does not have. I typically always use a back up with those ones but not with these larger hermspringer prongs.
@@MiracleK9Training thank you so much IV been asking trainers on RU-vid but no one gets bk to me most respected of you so helpful must say blessings 🙏 ⚡💥🔥💦💧💯💙🇬🇧👑
Great video. You actually show real life stuff. Not in a quiet environment like most videos. This shows the walk environment. Wish you could have shown what to do when another dog came around a corner. Great video though. I have a 70lbs amstaff, I’ve been using a 2.25mm prong. Would a 3.00mm give me a better result?
this is step 1. Not intended to handle high distractions. I always transition from the prong to the ecollar after this. You can watch those videos I have on how to introduce it on the walk for your next steps!
Beautiful dog IV one similar age, size and shape but with the tail and not gonna lie definitely looks better without. I draw the line at ear docking tho although I agree the dobermans look better docked it's just to barbaric to me
Absolutely. But we teach time and place. When they are heeling the expectation is the attention should be on us not everything else. But then we give them designated breaks to do whatever they want.
Hi in the start of the video you were using the slip collar . Why was the slip collar so low on his neck ? too me it should have been higher . l own a rottweiller and have had them for over 30yrs and use a slip collar on my Rottweiler . He is reactive on the leash but l find the slip collar works well if placed high on the neck and is a good quality slip collar .
You would be 100% correct if we were using it as a training tool. We just had it on him to transport him to where we were going to be working him and used a prong at that point.
Very nice work sir.I subscribed right away.If I may ask a question..What size of prong collar would you use on strong,8 month boxer puppy? 2.25 or 3mm Herm Sprenger? I'm not sure about the size as he is growing fast and getting stronger every day.He pulls a lot.Thank you, Cheers
@@MiracleK9Training Thank you.One more question please.I noticed some dog trainers connect leash to dead ring on the top of dog neck and some other on the right side of dog neck.Is there a reason for that..does it really matter? Thank you,
@@gavricrs207 not really. I typically just fit it high in the neck and use the standard ring. Some competitive trainers will use the prong in a different manner and use the dead ring for that.
Why would you even want to use and e collar here. An aversive is an aversive in my opinion but the e collar does not offer any directional guidance. Why not just stick with the prong. It does the same thing but better?
Really good question. A few reasons. 1.) because of the physical nature of the tool, dogs tend to get used to prong collar sensation very very quickly as they inevitably will feel it a lot of times in scenarios we don’t intend. Once it looses its value it’s hard to get back. 2.) using an ecollar will be much easier for an OWNER to be more dynamic with level wise. Increasing or decreasing intensity on a prong is extremely challenging for a skilled trainer let alone an owner.
@@MiracleK9Training Interesting. I find the e collar to be much more prone to habituation. My dogs wear the e collar everytime they are off leash but it’s basically there for that one time they do something stupid and unpredictable. If I’m teaching something through -R or using punishment I always turn to the prong because it is much more reliable because of its physical aspect. Additionally I like that it is very easy for the dog to tell that the aversive is coming from me. As long as these tools are used correctly I believe an aversive is an aversive and every trainer will have their preferences
I have a border collie Newfie mix I rescued. He is a handful and I want to use the prong with him. He is a headstrong dog and really likes to push his weight around. He gets hyper when he sees other dogs and people.
I have a 5 year old mix from India. We believe she's a mix of a pashmi hound and a Kombai(combai). She was attacked at a dog park by 3 German shepherds a few years ago and has become extremely reactive to other dogs. I just purchased a prong collar and she seems to do pretty well on it in our home. My hope is that it will reduce her reactivity while on walks and out in public. I just dont want her to become sensitive around her neck area from it. (It happened to another dog at the rescue I got her from.)
The prong is not for addressing reactivity it is for shaping the heel position. Have you watched our videos on stopping dog reactivity at all? You can watch a few here…
Thank you! Just keep in mind this is only step one of the walking phase and will not get you long term success. After you do this, watch “introducing the ecollar to the wall part 1 and 2” and that will help you finish the walk!
There is much much more to it than just this. This is one piece of the puzzle to begin introducing the tools we’ll need to work through those problems.
We have a 13 pound, 2 (ish) year old dog and we bought a micro prong collar for him. Do you think they are as effective as the small Herm Sprenger collar. That company doesn't make a micro collar as far as I can tell. Ours is a Kimberland.
I’m not personally a fan of the micros. If I’m dealing with a very small dog I just use a size 2.25mm and take most of the links out and it’s usually fine.
Prong collar doesn't work for my dog. He still pulls no matter how bad he's struggling to breath I got a harness for his muzzles but still doesn't work. I got a shock collar and seems to work a bit, I don't put it.on very high usually ten works when he's not overly excited
Some dogs can be terribly insensitive to it. The prong is never intended to finish the walk. That’s why it’s just step one. We use the ecollar to finish the walk. You can watch introducing the ecollar to the walk pt 1 and 2 with major on our RU-vid channel to show you how to use that tool the way it’s intended!
I would use a head collar like Halti. It doesn't hurt your dog like prong collars. There are reasons they are forbidden at other countries (like germany where I live). My dog, german shepherd x St. Bernard (9 months) really has power like a horse and pulls hard, but with the Halti it's fine.
@@Cornsnake94 Head collars aka haltis are way more dangerous than a prong collar. Prong collars are designed to distribute as much even pressure as possible. The worst a good quality and well fitted prong collar can do is cause sores (even then, to get them you need to be a real brute about it). And a halti can break your dog’s neck if they pull on it hard enough. Something being banned doesn’t mean it’s bad, some countries ban people from holding hands in public.
This is my one year old rottie right now, he’s good on a walk 80-90% of the time but good lord is he stubborn when he wants something, especially saying hi to my dad or wanting to pee on something. He does well w a gentle leader but the main reason I use it is bc he just kept trying to eat things and after some training he won’t eat stuff but I feel we need to go to the next step that I can’t get w food all the time
@@MiracleK9Training oh he isn’t picking stuff up off the ground anymore, last time he did he got a mouth full of biting ants and now is hesitant to pick anything up even if it’s a treat I drop on accident. His issue now tho is just being stubborn and if he wants to sniff he’ll stop and pull his head back then push his butt back to where he wants to go and if he *really* wants something he pulls like crazy and the gentle leader becomes useless at that point which I how I found your video, I think it’s time for a prong collar😓
Great video! I have a Pitbull that is just over 1 year old. I’ve done a lot of research and have been attempting to train with the prong collar, but my dog does not react to my corrections. I’ve tried reducing distractions in the environment by practicing in the backyard but I have the same problem there, he will usually want to always pull ahead and sniff things. I make sure he is properly exercised before training and have tried to use high value treats to encourage him but I’m at a standstill. In my entirely unprofessional opinion I believe the root problem is that he is too overwhelmed and distracted to react to the corrections but I was hoping you could give your opinion and possibly guidance on what to do.
Jane Doe glad you enjoyed it! The prong collar is not intended for proofing heeling around higher distractions. It’s just used to build some general muscle memory. The next thing you’re going to want to do is our video called introducing the ecollar into the walk pt1
I always see comments about people having no luck with a martingale and it baffles me. They do get sold as training collars but as far as I'm concerned thw only appropriate use for a martingale is for dogs who can slip out of a normal collar 🤷♂️ My lab pup has a martingale that I only got her to hang her ttag on, I just liked the collar. If I'm taking her out quickly to per or whatever sometimes I just attach the leash to that rather that put another collar on, but she pulls SOOOOO bad with it on. She pulls in a flat collar, usually I just a prong, but walking her with a martingale is HARDER than with a standard flat collar :/
