fact, the victims of abuse can feel a love for the person thats abused them. thats how grooming works. also pedos dont abuse abuse every child their in contact with. they choose their victims. i believe these men.
I'm sad for you that you believe them with no proof. Michael is not here to defend himself. The FBI did many random raids and never found anything!! These two are sueing the Jackson estate for hundreds of millions. They tried before and it was thrown out. Now they are appealing the decision. If someone molested my son. I would beat the crap out of them. Not demand money.
@@raelene101 "Many raids".....I doubt it, a couple maybe. Why would a peado like him "have anything" to find? He didn't need porn, he had his predilection for children fed by abusing them.
Personally I don't think anyone would put themselves through all the backlash and drama an accusation like this would bring on unless it were true. Just look at the comments section of any clip related to this topic recently! It's all people claiming these guys are dishonest. Their lives will never be the same again. I don't think many people would be willing to do that, even for a lot of money. Also, we don't know what they plan to use any proceeds from the court case for - they might give it away. UltimatelyI think it's worthwhile to consider that it's possible they are telling the truth, even if it is difficult to process.
Exactly right. It's possible whatever money they wanted to sue for they will donate it. I have said all along NO ONE can risk their careers/life if they were just lying. They're are doing interviews and everything. Even their families got involved. And I hate when fans point out Wade sold off Michaels memorabilia online. Because as far as I'm concerned, those were Wade's possessions in the end so he has a right to do what he wants with them. I would actually do the same thing!
Wade and James, I know you’ll probably never see this (and my comment is going to get downvoted anyway), but I just wanted you to know that I watched the documentary and I believe you. I was defending Michael before I saw it but I was in denial. I’m really sorry about what you’ve been through, and continue to go through. I was a huge fan of his but what he did to you was wrong and I see that now. I sincerely wish you both continued healing.
Just CAUGHT BOTH IN A BIG LIE...DAN LIED ABOUT THE SAME THING IN AN INTERVIEW...A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS SO COME SEE MY PINNED TWEET @ ARMEDWITHLOVE85 EFFIN LIARS #MJINNOCENT
You were never a fan. You're a liar just like these two. No true fan of MJ would turn his back on him especially with all the info that supports him. You ain't foolin us. MK supporters are too smart.
I always say to his defenders would you let a man in your street share his bed with your kids. Of course not, so why is it different if its a multi millionaire pop star who missed out on his childhood? Nobody is saying MJ was not like a child. He clearly was. Most paedos don't think there is anything wrong with what they do. They see it as an alternative sexuality which is misunderstood the same way that homosexuality once was. The kids often believe they are in a loving relationship with the abuser and don't see anythign wrong with the sex part of it. They are groomed to deny it happened or they will be sent to jail or never see MJ again. It's only years later as adults that they gradually see the reality of it. Read up on abuse and how kids are groomed. There are so many misconceptions. It doesn't work the way you think it does.
Dick Splat Yep. I’m 29 and just coming to a lot of realizations myself. Also, Stockholm syndrome is a real thing. You can love and defend your own abuser. Sadly, a majority of people are not educated on such things.
@@kelsey7675 Hope you find some peace. I think the whole NJ thing is a good opportunity to educate people. I'm shocked at the level of ignorace about this issue that still persists.
@@sampsanyman162 yeh but he didn't start off that way. He used his fame and fortune to seduce the families of his intended victims. Ok how about this: If there was a man in your street who had money and was creative would you let him share a bed with your kids?
@@dicksplat2049I find your speculation pointless. We all know that Michael wasn't a normal adult, but that itself isn't a crime or a proof that he was a pedophile.(unless you're into witch hunts) There hasn't ever been a credible evidence that he has molested a child.
So sad to see how many people act like they really know what happens behind closed doors. Just bc you loved the music dosent mean he didn't do it!! Also people can be happy and smile they have grown up and have a life !!! As a parent I would never let my child sleep in bed with a man !!! It's not ok!!!
Well, I do not act like I know what happened behind closed doors. Do you? Besides, what the hell has Jackson's music to do with the accusations??? Where does it say that Michael Jackson was a bad singer or a bad dancer? The allegations made by those two men have nothing to do with music. You're implying that it's only M.J. fans who believe in his innocence. That's quite ignorant... There are a lot of people who do not listen to his music at all and still believe he was innocent. What you gonna say about them?
@@2007PerezMD, lol... Seriously? So what? Does that mean your comment has expired? xD smh... It's still there, so I can comment all I want same as you did. Delete your comment then. lmao
To everyone regardless of which "side" you're on: at least watch the documentary in its entirety before you decide if you believe it or not. This is no different to the grooming and abuse uncovered in the Catholic church where priests/cardinals are viewed as God and protected. Michael is viewed the same way and people still want to protect him because of that. Whether you believe it or not - these men deserve to have their voice heard. You can't deny the brokenness that you will see.
Yes, if we watch the documentary, we are investigative at the same time. We compare their stories against their sworn testimonies in front of court in 2013 and 2014. And we come to the conclusion that these guys are admitted and proven liars. They must be sued and arrested. The director is an unethical monster. If you decide to watch this shit, then only do so for investigation. Watching and believing a one sided bullshit with a narrative straight from a Viktor Gutierrez book is just dumb. A "documentary" is not a replacement for a court and the testimonies of real life witnesses. How can you believe someone without investigation? How can you believe a director who just let someone do a three week research with no evidence and no real background check? How can you believe a director who cuts out 45 minutes of content for other versions than US after the lies have been exposed? Don´t be naive and get manipulated so easily.
@@999rob9 exactly...these mj haters want him to be guilty so badly and ignore the truths out there willingly. This is racism and hate and jealousy. Disgusting.
Exactly. somebody commented after watching Leaving Neverland: fully deified first grade Roman Catholic church pedophilia:((((((( The whole concept of so-called "Neverland" was so creepy and weird af:(((((((
@@LAZISH neverland was a place of piece. It was one of the most wonderful places for children both for sick and healthy. Nowhere it should be compared to roman church. Nothing sexual ever happened. These guys are proven liars. Stop comparing to catholic church. This is just ridiculous.
Santa Barbara District Attorney Tom Sneddon, now deceased, thoroughly investigated Jackson twice, over a 10 year period. He looked ceaselessly for young boys who might have been abused by Jackson. Sneddon was obsessed with tagging Jackson. It was Sneddon who slid his card on the door of the Arvizo family after he saw them on TV, and crafted an unsuccessful prosecution against Jackson using their crazy testimony. Sneddon knew the names of Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck, the two men who claim in the documentary to have been molested. If Sneddon had thought there was any real story there, he’d have gone after it. He never did. Meanwhile, Robson has started a not for profit foundation and is soliciting donations. There can be no transparency, as he’s parked his 501 c3 very cleverly under something called the Hawaii Community Foundation. That way, Robson doesn’t have to file a form 990. We’ll never know if the makers of “Leaving Neverland” have donated money to it, for example. This was done on purpose. It’s hidden. Safechuck, meantime, is accused creating his story from a very disgusting book published years ago by a man named Victor Guitierrez. Jackson sued Guitierrez and won a $2.7 million judgement against. The writer has never paid up, and now lives in Chile. “Leaving Neverland” can’t be taken seriously, and I’m surprised the press in Sundance- who didn’t cover Jackson - was so swayed by it. The movie offers no independent evidence, or third parties, just the claims of Robson and Safechuck. Just because it’s graphic, doesn’t mean it’s true. The rush to judgement here is alarming, and dangerous.
And this is literally what scares me about these documentaries. Get the stories of 2 men. Talk to only thier families. Provide no opposing viewpoints. Anyone can make a documentary and call it facts these days. We are living in scary times.
I truly believe that James Safechuck will come to a point where he will forgive his mother (same with Wade) for being too trusting in regards to MJ. As James said, forgiveness is a journey.
My opinion: You cannot fake the emotion that I watched in the documentary. Wade, Wade’s Mom, Wade’s sister, and even Wade’s brother ... and James looks broken. He looks pained. They acknowledge what Michael was as a superstar. They acknowledge that he had wonderful attributes, which I am sure he had. That’s what makes the accusations so hard to believe to so many, why the abuse was so confusing to them, and why it took them so long to realize they were abused.
@@slaws2279 Most obvious one is the ring scene where there are whole new furnitures and outside plants are trimmed. But they had to keep the same clothing for some reason..
Lol it was filmed for 6 days.. 5 days in feb of 2017 and the ring story was added In July.. If I spoon fed you around 30 bullet points proving they are lying would you read and share your honest thoughts?
"You cannot fake the emotion that I watched in the documentary" You must live in an interesting fantasy world where you have never heard of "acting" before. Especially when these two scumbags are trying to get over a billion dollars from the Michael Jackson Estate.
8:10 I can't get over their glances at each other and their smirks! Like two naughty schoolboys who were caught doing the wrong thing! Not the reaction of two credible human beings, but rather deviant sociopaths who are actually getting a kick out of all of this. WEIRD and WRONG!
Not smirking.Embarrassment and a shared understanding of how it impacted their families. Maybe you all need to learn a little more about how survivors cope and outwardly manifest before you dismiss them out of hand based solely on your love of MJ’s music. You have to separate the man from the music. The evidence is and always has been utterly compelling.
@@SarahPings all the evidence has ever pointed to is extortion. Compare these boys smirks with MJ's emotional defense here and you tell me who is more believable: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-w270PK4o2_c.html
Sarah Pings actually I was the victim of child sexual abuse so kindly shut the fuck up about not knowing how this shit affects people. I know a lot better than you do
Incredibly brave men and the world so is lucky that these 2 men found the courage to speak out - grooming is so devastatingly misunderstood and has enabled groomers to get away with their evil for too long. I 1000% believe them and have the utmost for respect for them. Thank you.
...funny - I've heard 'stories' about another abuser, going by the name of E. Goldsmith 👀 WIILD stories, like Oprah/Epstein type stuff. I mean I'm not saying I 100% believe them, but... They sounded pretty convincing (is that naive?) Anyway - the news have reported on Wade's & James' lies: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L1dUeE-c7S0.html
They lying, Michael Jackson never groomed them, they made this documentary lots of years after mj death and by the way why the hell they talk about it now and not back than.
I have always been on the fence about this. Wade Robson didn't convince me. It was James Safechuck who finally convinced me. His interview is the first one I ever believed. Not doubting Robson but Safechuck just comes off much more honest.
@Insane One: Safechuck has already been exposed as a liar recently. He claims that he has been forced and trained to testify for MJ in 2005 BUUUT the clue is that was a non-entity in court, not even allowed to testify for MJ, he was simply not relevant for his case. It is a stupidity and an absurdity.
@Claire McMinimee this is the point, he never could have been asked to, he was a non entity not relevant for court. Neither MJ nor his attorneys decided about his testimony. The jurors long ruled out everything 7 months before. Just watch scott ross private investigator podcast on youtube, he was involved in 2005 trial.
@@alkaline1303 safechuck has never been asked to restify, because he was a non-entity...not relevant for the case. Why don't you get it? It is an absurd lie. Watch the Scott Ross interview.
Yes the facts are out there. Thousands of photos of a 29 year old Jackson holding hands with 10 year old Safechuck, a boy who wasn't a relative, and spending the entirety of a world tour in his company. If you have a son, I'm sure you'd let a single, grown ass man living next door take him round the world holding his hand, right? 😂
Sweetpea, this is a lie that Jacko fantards have been peddling for years. Chandler never recanted his allegations. SNOPES FACT CHECK www.snopes.com/fact-check/jordan-chandler/ Claim: Jordan Chandler has admitted that he lied about having been sexually molested by Michael Jackson. Example: [Collected via e-mail, July 2009] After the death of Michael Jackson, Jordan Chandler tells the whole truth. In 1993, Chandler told a psychiatrist and police that he (Jordan) and Jackson had engaged in sexual acts which included oral sex. Jordan gave detailed description of Jackson’s genitals. The case was settled out of court for a reported amount of US $22 million, but the strain led Jackson to start taking painkillers. Eventually he became addicted to these painkillers. Now after Michael’s death Chandler decides to tell the truth. “I never meant to lie and destroy Michael Jackson but my father made me to tell the lies. Now I can’t tell Michael how much I’m sorry and if he will forgive me.” Under the influence of a father who told his son to lie that Jackson had touched his genitals, Jordan Chandler subsequently told a psychiatrist and later on the police that he and Jackson had engaged in acts of kissing, masturbation and oral sex, as well as giving a detailed description of what he alleged were Michael’s genitals. “Now for the first time I can’t bare to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn’t do anything to me, all was my father’s lies to escape from being poor,” Jordan said. The above-quoted article claiming Jordan Chandler has since confessed that his father coerced him into lying about the sexual abuse charges against Jackson first appeared a few days after the singer’s death on 25 June 2009. Given that the sole source of this information appears to have been a single poorly-worded statement which was reproduced verbatim on multiple blogs, and that no mention of Jordan Chandler’s supposed confession (or any statement from Chandler) has appeared in the news media despite the continuous crush of Michael Jackson coverage since the entertainer’s passing, we have to categorize this one as false.
FACT: Jordan Chandler drew an illustration of the underside of Jacko's penis and it matched the photos police took. FACT: Jacko paid $25 million to Chandler the night before he was due to be questioned in a deposition. FACT: Jacko paid $2.5 million to Jason Francia, who said Jacko sexually abused him. FACT: Police found the fingerprints of boys on porn magazines in Jacko's bedroom along with his own fingerprints. FACT: Police also found dolls dressed in bondage gear and with ball gags in their mouths. These dolls were on display in full view of children in the bedroom. FACT: Police found seven "art books" with titles like Boy: A Photographic Essay and Boys Will Be Boys, filled with hundreds of photos of naked boys. FACT: Jacko had members of South Central gangs brought over to Neverland in 1993 to intimidate staff during the first round of allegations. FACT: Jacko hired private investigator Anthony Pellicano, known for his thuggish tactics, in 1993. Pellicano intimidated the parents of other boys who'd been abused. The parents refused to cooperate with police as a result. Pellicano later stopped working for Jacko because he said he discovered Jacko really was a paedophile. FACT: Jacko's defence team never denied that he slept 30 nights in a row with Jordan Chandler at Chandler's house. FACT: The FBI found a VHS tape at Neverland labelled "MJ's Neverland Favorites: An All Boy Anthology". FACT: Jacko was reported to the police for molesting two Mexican boys but the police covered it up because Jackson was shortly to receive an award from the president.
Funny is one of them in the documentary Leaving Neverland who was sexually assaulted on the Neverland train in 1988 and 1989 But it turned out that the train was given to him in 1994 and other lies in that documentary were proven.
Lol, when one has a case that doesnt fall apart due to some time discrepancy, and lack of evidence. There was a decade long FBI investigation, tapped phones, 70+ sherriefs and several unauthorized surprise raids on Neverland and the best thing they could come up with out of the thousands of books there, were heterosexual adult magazines, a single pictoral book of non-sexual nature depicting as many nude children as the cistine chapel, zero child porn. Alleged roundabouts from employees claiming to see kids like brett barnes and Mcculay Culkin being assaulted only for the very same kids to deny it. In the pedo world i'd assume Mcculay would be megan fox, the fact such a deviant might pass on so many opportunities like that is downright impossible for such a nefarious chacter. Those fails however are no match for the time discrepancies and very obvious lack of chacracter from the parents. A jury of his peers constituted, from hip young people who probablly liked his music, to old farts who couldnt care less about him all delberated on stories that make this documentary as safe as my little pony, I mean Michael getting a kid with cancer drunk for a combo jerk job, was the tip of the iceberg. Every foul thing imaginable came to the ears of the jury and the mediatic world that was salivating to take his picture in cuffs. Yet, the jury got him out from 14 charges, even the most measly of the 4 misdemeanors he couldve gotten were all absolutley cleared in record time .Thats how obvious it was to the general public that those allegations didnt add up. Less than 6 of the 9 months that had been planned for the trial, the jury simply did not need anything else to reach the veredict.Thats not just kinda innocent in the same way OJ was, thats being resoundingly innocent, even though many felt sure, he mustve done at least one of those things.Unless you believe and have proof of some buyout which high profile celebrities can barley afford to pass on silently, then its just as likley people are perfectly capable of making shit up, and doing enough research to understand how to psychologically interpret their role in a believable way.With Sony Michael was making 100 million dollars a year. Even the smallest drop of that falling your way would fix your life forever. You could pass that money unto your great great grand children, and people in california being as career and success driven as they were its no surprise money and opportunity is the one thing that can get the best of them
I watched both parts of Leaving Neverland last night and it is a powerful and devastating account from two incredibly brave souls and their experiences of being sexually abused by Michael Jackson. I believe Wade Robson and Jim Safechuck and I am so grateful that their voices are being heard. Hopefully sharing their truth will help them heal as well as help and inspire others to name their abusers and heal their shattered souls. To anyone still defending MJ - my question is this: have you ever actually listened to any of the testimonies from any of his accusers? Watching this doc - that's what I had left with - I had not heard it from the children. Our culture puts so much blind faith in these mega stars - idolizing them because their artistic contribution is so great. Why not put that blind faith in the children and adults who raise their voices to call out abuse? The lambs that cry "there is a wolf amongst us!" To reject and deny the accuser the right to speak their truth is just as damaging as the abuse itself. Character is who you are when no one is watching. I hope history remembers Michael Jackson not for the show but for the person he truly was - a pedophile who knowingly destroyed the lives of many and a lasting warning of the danger of worshiping false idols.
April Kidwell feel the same way. Those still defending him are the reason why something like this was allowed in the first place. They still refuse to see the red flags.
I hope the documentary raised people's awareness about child sexual abuse. However, I see a lot of MJ fans are too caught up in protecting his name and legacy. The whole issue is bigger than MJ
They even investigated. And what did they find?- nothing. After searching for ten years, NOTHING. I just believe that you have been manipulated into believing this "act". Thats my opinion. Thank you.
Many ppl, especially the Jacksons, have questioned Wade's credibility because he so adamantly defended Michael through the years. But guys, the man is more credible now than he's ever been. I watched this boy through the years and even as he defended the star, his body language told an entirely different story. When he worked with Brittney and Nsync, you could tell he was living a lie, there was just something hidden and even as he glorified Michael, you could sense the stress beneath the glory. It was then that he was living the lie. I told my cousin during Wade's dance show, "I can't watch it, that kid is headed for a breakdown". It was obvious. We simply chose NOT to look deeper because, it was Michael.
I don't believe him because the facts tell me he is lying. Stop for a second, get past the tears you see on their faces, and look at the actual evidence. They are without question lying.
How can he be credible when, his after money? he didn’t change his story until he had financial problems, his lawsuit has been dismissed 3 times. Even in the documentary at the end, he pretended to burn his micheal Jackson memorabilia, when in fact he already sold them b4 the documentary was made and said he wanted to remain anonymous when he sold it. He said once u get older Michael Jackson replaces u with another younger kid, he said Macaulay culkin replaced him, when in fact Macaulay calcin is older than him or when safechuck said Michael abused him in the neverland train station, when in fact it was not built the year he said micheal Jackson abused him in it, these r just a few of the inconsistencies in their story and there r many of them.
You are being brainwashed by these two disgusting lame criminals and their fictional movie. I saw a picture that was released by the audio engineer before the film came out and it was a picture of the director giving them a script and structuring them on what to say/not to say. This is what h call a fictional movie. They kno Michael is dead and they can say whatever they want about him. It’s really sad but god will deal with them
You are believing in a one sided fictional film from two lame criminals? I saw a picture that was released by the audio engineer before the film came out and it was a picture of the director giving them a script and structuring them on what to say/not to say. They kno Michael is dead and they can say whatever they want about him. It’s really sad but god will deal with them
Согласна! Куда вы пойдете если вашего ребёнка износиловали!?В полицию,если это правда! А они пошли просить деньги! Поэтому многие им не верят@@abbasbature3668
They are lying because during the Q&A they are laughing this is not a laughing matter. Let's make the part where they are laughing go viral to show that they don't care about real abuse.
@FedeRhodes @mistersureakist THIS IS A DIFFERENT CASE,THEY WERE NOT NERVOUS,THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!! IF THEY ARE NERVOUS,IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE UP TO NO GOOD!!!!
NO,THEIR FACES SAY OTHERWISE... EVEN IF THEY WERE NERVOUS ABOUT TELLING THE WORLD,THEY ACT WEIRD!! THEY ARE SMILING AND SMIRKING,WHEN THEIR EYES TELL A DIFFERENT STORY... WADE'S FACE SAYS ENOUGH, HE'S A CHEATER AND A LIAR!!!! AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE HE'S PROUD OF IT... THE COURT DISMISSED HIM,WHEN HE ASKED FOR SO MUCH MONEY,IF HE WAS REALLY MOLESTED,MONEY WOULDN'T BE THE ISSUE... SO NOW HE'S TRYING TO GET MONEY FROM THIS,THEY SAY THEY DON'T GET PROFITS(YET),BUT THEY WILL WHEN IT'S AIRED ON TV... EITHER THAT OR MJ'S ESTATE WILL BE FORCED TO PAY HIM SO IT WOULDN'T GET AIRED.... WADE IS GONNA GET MONEY ANYWAY AND TRYING TO MAKE A FACE FOR MOLESTATION AWARENESS,HE'S TRYING TO MAKE HIMSELF BIGGER ON ANOTHER PLATFORM(MJ),HE WANTS TO LOOK LIKE A HERO WHEN HE'S THE BAD GUY,DON'T YOU SEE?????????
At around the 8 minute mark did I just see both these men laugh and smile when someone in the audience asked about their parents finding out? Are these guys for real?
Yes, you did. Kind of fits. Safechuck's mum said in the documentary that she laughed when MJ died, even though her son claims he only realized he was abused years later. And Robson's mum meanwhile was on facebook after her son already publicly claimed abuse and was liking pictures of Jackson, her son's supposed abuser. These are all some very strange people indeed. And anyone who still believes them at this point is insane.
I know right! And Dan Reed is incredible - to think that he achieved in 4 hours what the FBI couldnt in 17 years? What do you think Dan did that was so effective in finally getting us to see the truth?
Sasha Stephenson I think it was that this wasn’t so much focused on Michael and his innocence and more on the victims stories from beginning to end. I used to believe the accusers were out for money but after watching this, my eyes were opened. I can’t think of these men without imagining the pain they have to live with.
It was very well put together. I even liked the drone shots as it gave you time to breathe. They are incredibly brave, such a difficult thing to do when you consider the brain dead fans trying to belittle the guys.
@@kelly4195 Except they are not victims. I recommend watching a real and powerful documentary that actually has emotion and tells the truth. Such as Surviving R Kelly, that my friend, was a powerful documentary. I would recommend looking into what is actually real abuse, Aaliyah was constantly abused by R Kelly and passed before she could speak her truth. The other women in the Surviving R Kelly documentary actually showed emotion, and there was proof R Kelly did these things, this documentary was simply one sided, it provided no evidence whatsoever and was just stories which don't add up. I'll have you know that Wade Robson is a complete narcissist and a lier. Several things in reality are failed to be mentioned in this documentary, Wade claims that Michael kept him away from girls, but yet Michael set Wade up with Brandy Jackson, you do realize Wade dated Michael's niece Brandy for 7 years, used her, and then cheated on her with Britney Spears. Wade claims all of the sudden he randomly has thoughts on the abuse he suffered in the year 2012, he claims he couldn't listen to Michael's music anymore because of his "breakdown". Yet, that year he claimed he had a breakdown and couldn't listen to Michael's music, he was caught on tape teaching a dance class with Michael's song, he listened to it 100x over to learn the choreography. He begged to do a tribute show honoring Michael but got turned down, just two years after he got rejected, and tried to make a book, but got rejected by publishers, he came out with these claims. After Michael's death, Wade praised him and said how much of a kind soul he was, and he will forever live inside of him. He did a tribute at the 2009 VMAS with Janet Jackson, why would he pay tribute to Michael, and dance with his sister if he was abused? He wanted to have a goddamn wedding at Neverland around the time Michael was in trial, that is sick. He was close with the Jackson Family for years, for example Aaliyah stayed away from R Kelly and wanted nothing to do with that man who abused him, Wade used Michael and the Jackson Family, and stuck around them, why would he want to be so involved with them if he was abused? I'm sick of Michael and Janet being destroyed by the media, Janet with her Super Bowl, Michael with these claims, its unfair. Believe real claims, Michael was and will always be innocent. These two men are insults to real survivors of abuse, smh.
I watched “Leaving Neverland.” It was heart-wrenching. The documentary confirmed for me what I have always believed: Michael Jackson was an extremely damaged person who (for many reasons) tragically directed his sexuality toward young boys. There are so many voices in this conversation. The ones who are speaking honestly about this ugly truth are the doctors, therapists, and victims who recognize the clear patterns of grooming and abuse. Bravo to Wade Robson and James Safechuck for being so courageous in telling their stories and for speaking the truth. They did so at great personal cost, in addition to the pain and loss they have already endured. The ignorant supporters and fans of MJ who refuse to believe he was capable of this horror need to understand that people are indeed capable of anything. And, this type of conduct will always be a well-guarded secret. Meanwhile, one can’t dismiss the biggest red flag: Men do not invite boys to sleep in their beds. Period. There is nothing innocent or normal about this behavior. It is predatory.
lol well Michelle a few weeks have past and their story has changed quite allot ...you should spend 4 hours researching the facts now that you spent 4 hour watching it.
MJ never thought of a bed being a place just for sex. it was a place to gather, sit , yarn talk, laugh, share , relax chill, sleep, watch tv, movies...a bed is not only a place for sex, if you cant understand or research that side of his story then your the one who thinks a bed is only for sex. all of these people saying he invited children into his bed. he did mean he is inviting people into his bed for sex . if that was the case i doubt he will be stupid enough to repeat it in interview. be clear and open your mind.
You are such an idiot, Wade Robson and James Safechuck are the same who did not accused Michael Jackson when he was alive, but instead already dead by suing the Michael Jackson estate in 2013 and 2014 but lost in 2017 after being dismissed in 2015.
Pretty easy for these two to accuse someone when they're dead. No matter how many times these guys CHANGED THEIR STORY! There's a difference between knowing the truth and not wanting to know the truth. They're telling a story like they both said. NOT THE TRUTH
You three have done such an amazing job. I cried all through the film. I agree with the person in the audience, this case will change laws and the way people think about child sexual abuse forever. Thank you.
Mazzslibo u cried through the film? 🤔🤔🤥🤥🙄These 2 jerks are liars 100 percent mj was no pedophile end of story he was the victim always was the only victim ever rip mj the truth will preveil it is already 😁👍👌sorry u cried they fooled u, they don't fool me for 1 second and I'm an elvis fan the lieing scumbag jerks😁👍👌
Mazzslibo I'm sorry u cried these 3 musketeers are lieing 100 percent hope they get jail and their mothers are in on it contradicted themselves few times in their sick lie mucumentry, it's backfireing on them now big time praise be🤗👍😁❤️horahgodss
They're all smiling and laughing...um...werent you guys molested? and if these two deadbeats weren't in it for the money why are they sueing the estate?
Oh no they already tried to see Michael Jackson judge threw that out can't do a Deadman so then I'm in the stories Sue Michael Jackson companies two different ones and add Neverland as a sophisticated pedophiliaring to find kids for MJ to screw !!! Make-A-Wish Foundation went there once a week, kids with cancer and many many other org & all for free and MJ wasn't there most of the time but knowing that kids are getting to see animals, mountains and ride rides and eat candy and play games and run in the sunshine or wheel in the sunshine, or watch movies in auditorium IT MADE MJ happy because that's his HEART!!! Don't make any judgements till you see all the facts...the facts will lead you to the TRUTH!!
Because when childhood sexual assault occurs like this, it's not what you think. It isn't being tied down in the dark screaming. It's being loved and seduced and groomed. Congratulations- you don't know the humiliation and shame and self hate that comes with feeling affection for your abuser. I do. This is EXACTLY what it looks like. This is EXACTLY what I experienced. I *still* feel guilty that my step dad went to jail. I feel like he ruined my life. I feel like I betrayed him. That man started abusing me when I was very, very young. I had no idea for many years. What you see is smiling and laughing I see as shame and discomfort and defense mechanisms. I see tells that only someone who has gone through it would do, and many of them are tells that only someone who has gone through it would even notice. But ask yourself, why are you so convinced it didn't happen? Why do you think it's so crazy, when we know that it is absolutely indisputable that there was a constant stream of little boys sleeping in bed with him night after night after night? That is not the behavior of a healthy man. That is not appropriate. And that part isn't even up for debate. We know that all happened. Why is it so hard to understand that survivors do whatever they have to survive? James and Wade both lied over the years. Yeah. That's what you do to survive. But why is it so hard to believe Jackson could have done this? Can't you see how effective he was at grooming if you can't even question him?
When its someone you don't like you believe the victim and preach believe the victim. When it's someone who is your idle you deny and resort to name calling. TRUTH HURTS
No that isn't the case at all these 2 jerks are liars, and should be exposed as the liars they are, why arnt they being exposed already?? There's enough lies contradictions etc in their sick muckumentry to nail them now I really hope they get what's coming to them and their mothers are also in on the scam, actually I'm an elvis fan, I can see right through these jerks, a lot of people can, but, unbelievably, some people actually believe these idiots,, 🤔🙄🙄weird, the truth is slowly preveil ING thank god!! 😇😁👍👌
@@amandaserle3343 Don't worry, these losers know the truth. The thing with MJ is, he definitely has people all over the world who were jealous of the level of success he's achieved. Not only that, they are jealous of HIM as a person in general. Talents, his style, his personality, everything. It's like so many people want to be HIM. So, with these people...he can be perfectly innocent but it will never be enough for them because even before the allegations they always had shit to say about him. He's gay, he wants to be white, he's creepy, he's a pervert, he's whacked.....it just doesn't matter. That is why it was so easy to pin this kind of shit on him, and not anyone else. They know MANY people WILL believe it.
Matt reyes you are so wrong bout what u said in your comment, I liked mj a lot but am an elvis fan he was no pedophile, these jerks are such obvious liars, it just beggers belief that some people actually believe them 🤥🙄🤔🤥!!? Weird 👌👍😁
@@CJTranceAddiction hi Chris I last I found ur comment THANKU and can reply, yes your right, these jerks are such obvious liars!! Omg!!! Why do some people believe them? 🤔🙄🙄🤥🤥I cannot stand wade, these people are too dumb to see mj was r the only victim all along, please go to blacknight hiphop and listen to the fab guy and what he says, 🤣😂👍their sick lies are backfireing on them big time!! Wahoo!!! At last 👌😁👍🤗I really hope these 2 jerks get jail, their mothers and wades sister is also in on it, mj was no pedophile and they know it how can they blatantly lie into cameras like they are?? /! 🤔🙄🙄Omg!! It's disgusting I'm very upset and angry they are still getting away with it👍🙏👌😁
This comment section is ridiculous - how have we, as a people, come to allow ourselves to scrutinise the intensions, responses and body language of two individuals who have suffered years of immense pain at the hands of an abuser, and who have now decided to share this abuse with the world and accept any judgement, hostility and abuse they may face as a result. Michael Jackson was a revered talent and his music and humanitarian work brought light to the world, but his personal life brought unthinkable darkness to so many. Please remember that just because someone is found not guilty, it does not mean they are innocent. I applaud and respect these two brave men, as well as Jackson's other previous accusers, for coming forward and speaking up about what they've experienced. I hope they find peace.
Unfortunately the translation of the movie in some other languages play a great part in misunderstanding of real emotions in the film. I’ve watched it in original (English) and my niece in Russian (the translation is correct BUT the intonations and “speaking” emotions are totally screwed). So I get it now why some don’t believe the genuineness of it.. I believe these guys❤so sorry for them as boys and so hopeful their courage will make a difference in this crazy world. I wish them inner peace and happiness, cause life can still be so beautiful in this crazy place
I believe you Wade and Jimmy. MJ's abuse continues as those scars never fully heal and the collateral damage to his family resulting in his own daughter having yet another mental breakdown being admitted to hospital for psychiatric treatment. If it wasn't true she wouldn't be hurting so profoundly. Furthermore if you two were female I think it would actually be unfashionable not to believe you.
freshstartification Wade and cohorts are the pedophiles! They admitted that they had pedophilia feelings when they looked at their own kids. They are penniless so they ascribed their pedophile tendency to an innocent deceased man who can no longer file defamation lawsuits against them.
I don't know if Jackson was guilty, but what I do know is that fantards excuse behaviour by Jackson that you would never excuse in anyone else. If you had a neighbour who's a grown ass man who wears make-up, butchered his face with multiple surgeries and never had a relationship with an adult invited your kid over to spend the night, you'd tell him to stay away from your family. But because it's your idol, you automatically excuse it. And please don't embarrass yourselves by claiming he had relationships with Lisa Marie and Brooke Shields. LMP was a sham marriage after the first allegations, and Brooke Shields said they never dated and were just friends. You fantards are desperate to believe he was a ladies man. Hilarious.
Remember, he never had a childhood. He was abused, and spent most of his time with much older siblings. He slept with siblings in bed because he thought it was kind. And in the Bashir documentary, he even said that "sharing your bed with someone is the nicest thing you can do". This is disgusting to say this about him. And especially now that he can't defend himself because he isn't with us. How disgusting. Maybe take your time and scroll up to read those paragraphs from a user. It might clear things up for people like you. ("people like you" meaning people who believe these disrespectful, disgusting, lying ass, pathetic fools.) Just a suggestion. Cheers.
If you think it's ok for an adult to sleep with little boys, then go to a neighbour who has kids and ask if their son or daughter can sleep in your bed tonight.
1. Who laughs at such a serious question about their horrible experience? 2. What victim finds any amusement whatsoever in their traumatizing abuse? 3. Who finds one speck of humor at all when someone asks a question about their sexual abuse?
It is hard to talk about it and especially for James...the shame he still feels...it's all hard for him to talk about ..it is embarrassing for him you can tell it's difficult also that is how people try and deal with unimaginable pain. You have no idea how abuse victims behave. Do some research or something before go attacking people for telling the truth.
Detailed analysis of the film shows the interviews (portrayed as simple documentary interviews) are actually highly edited. The positions of objects and even the furniture, change, making it clear that the taping occurred over many months.This is NOT a simple revelatory exposition. It is not a documentary. . It is a carefully constructed telling of a narrative.... that coincidentally is told in such a way that it also resets the statue of limitations because California law says a case can be filed within three years of REALIZING THAT ABUSE OCCURRED FOR THE FIRST TIME.. It is interesting watching interviews with Dan Reed. He is not as good a liar as Robeson and Safechuck. He clearly knows that it’s a scam, but he’s not as good at defending the position.
Lauren Blakely because they’re greedy leeches who defended Michael when he was alive and when they were financially stable but then decided to accuse him when he’s dead and when they are having money issues. Michael is proven innocent. So everybody better shut the Hell up.
TheRosemariesuz We shouldn’t just assume on probabilities. Some things can easily be a lie. Where are the facts? And the sad thing is he isn’t even here to defend himself. It’s so easy to make people believe in something.
Of course it is easy to accuse a person who has been in the grave for almost 10 years, and have no way to speak for themselves. Set everything else aside, accusing someone who cannot defend themselves is the lowest of low. It is disgusting, akin to accusing a 2 month old baby of threatening to kill you or calling you racist slurs.
My heart breaks for Jimmy. His eyes haunt me: they reflect a deep sadness, almost despair. To those of you who choose to stay blind and to hurl insults at these two young men: you’re part of the scourge that is child abuse, where the victims prefer to remain silent for fear of being bullied, unbelieved, trashed.
Another human emotion would explain those eyes...guilt. The facts themselves have told us his claims are untrue. That's what really matters. You can try to fill in the blanks of why he looks however he looks and speculate until the cows come home, but when you look at the actual facts, it's clear he's a liar.
I believe these men 100%! I feel so sad for them that so many crazy obsessive fans are willing to ignore all the obvious truth. Why would a grown man want to have little boys around him all the time? He seduced the entire world so how is not possible that he also seduced these little boys. I am ashamed that people still believe Michael is innocent. It is a slap in the face to all abused victims all over the world. Michael was clearly a predator, and just because he is famous does not mean he isn't capable of monstrous things! Abused victims do not want to face what happened to them ever, and that is why they were willing to protect him as long as they did and not tell anyone. The fear of losing everything and not being believed! Well that is exactly what is happening! People not believing them. Truly sad. I believe them, and I hope they finally have some peace!
There are some links to interviews by Dan Reed on Dans Twitter, and he explains everything the MJ fanatics are asking about James and Wade and the documentary. They should check them out because I had my answers before but now I am more convinced Michael abused them.
Read the court documents of Wade's and Joy's 2005 testimony and their depositions from the recent lawsuits. Also - Wade's blog. And interviews he and his family have given over the years. Wade's current version of events is not only contradicted by himself but also his mom. And who takes 3 days and 2 days to film a retelling of a story that's really not that complex for a documentary? Reed made a film. A film that he sought out to make about MJ. And then who finishes said film and then a few months later, films an additional scene? ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻This guy did.
@@lawrenfrahn9833 Oh now you have a problem with his blog now? What the fk next? MJ fans are some of the sickest people out there. To be honest, IF Wade is publicly revealed as a liar, even that cannot change my feelings about Michael Jackson. It never will. In fact, I'll give Wade and James an applause for even attempting to show the world and making people aware of predators in the entertainment industry trying to be friends with little boys!
And even if they interviewed the family it wouldn't have mattered. What would they say "Michael Would NEVER do that. We know him! He's our brother!" But they were NOT THERE! Edit: I renounce this comment. Because of the way this project was presented. But with the evidence and backstory from Taj and Brandi, I believe Michael is innocent.
Actually it does because Taj Jackson was also there. They kept a record of how many times Wade met MJ and it was only 4 times while his family were there at all times. They left Taj out of this and they left Michael's niece too, who fyi dated Wade for 7 years! Wade went to Michael's own mother before all this came out because he "couldn't remember" there's too many slip-ups in their story telling.
they were there, that's t he point lol! that story that Wade gave about going to Neverland and 'everyone was there' where he brought wine.. and that was the day he said he knew he had to testify for Michael.. That was AFTER he testified and Michaels family were there. James claims to have honeymooned at Euro Disney in 1988.. It was not open for another 4 years (1992) I could share MANY timeline F ups they made in their fake story.
@@donavanboykin9489 Wade's own mother said in the 14 times they visited Neverland he only saw MJ there 4 times, families would visit when MJ was out touring etc... Plus he had 30+ employees who worked in the property 24/7.
@@valeriemalone2729 I must've missed that part. From a hypothetical standpoint, though, even if it was only 4 times, what happened those 4 times? And how long was each stay?
@@amandaserle3343 It's staunch MJ fans with the inability to think objectively who are deluded. Unfortunately ignoring all red flags and things they wouldn't allow in normal life but Micheal is given passes and excuses. This coming from a former fan. I still enjoy his music but can acknowledge his "issues" (shall we call it) too
Hi I'm an elvis fan not a crazed mj fan tho I liked him a lot omg!!! 🤥🤥🤥U believe these jerks? They are lieing that wade is the instigator of the whole sordid lie, their muckumentry is being pulled apart day by day lies contradictions even their mothers!!! U cannot see they are liars?? Gee wizz!! What's wrong with you people, they have no proof evidence etc etc it's all made up for money, I cannot stand wade he reminds me of a dimented goat!! What a big headed lieing jerk, a narcasist and a opportunist watching under factual genius, leaving netherland (the cast react to the brutel truth) priceless reactions😂😂🤣🤣😁Guilty as hell👍👌😁
@@blackempress7302 I was a fan too. And to be honest I don't even have the urge to listen to his music. I haven't done so for a couple of years. No regrets☺
freshstartification Wade and cohorts are the pedophiles! They admitted that they had pedophilia feelings when they looked at their own kids. They are penniless so they ascribed their pedophile tendency to an innocent deceased man who can no longer file defamation lawsuits against them.
You believe James Safechuck was abused "every day" in the Neverland Train Station in 1988 (which he describes in detail), even though it was built in 1994? Do you believe the galaxy revolves around the Earth?
@@ChokeslamToHell I've heard the spiel from the MJ apologizers so many times. Bla blabla train station etc. Seriously you'd have to be a moron to NOT belive him. IF you did proper research that is. MJ was a pedo and a child abuser. And MJ built that station at Neverland before he got the permit. So firstly, the date on the paper is worthless, and secondly you don't decide somebody's credibility by them being wrong as about dates that happened well over 20 years ago. It just doesn't work like that.
I have a theory that Wade, even after what happened to him, still wanted to be a part if the Michael Jackson Immortal World Show only out of RESPECT for Michael as an artist despite what happened to him as a child. After all, Michael had a heavy influence on Wade as a choreographer, and was his mentor. And I think this documentary is a way to get it all off his chest and a weight off his shoulders.
@@YTAishok that maybe possible but why would he go out of the way to be a part of this tour...if he was asked to be and he agreed out of respect that could make sense but he wanted to be a part of it because he needed the money which is fine...but the minute he got replaced he began saying these things which seems a little too convenient.
@@noyonicachatterjee5053 Well, you've really got to ask yourself... If Wade was on good terms with Michaels family all that time and vice versa, then why was he rejected for the tour? He was a successful choreographer himself, so why not? Why the sudden cold shoulder?
@@YTAishok It is possible that someone else was maybe better for the job...but that's not what I'm saying...I mean to say that the timing of the rejection and his sudden realisation of everything seems to be more than just a coincidence to me at least
@@noyonicachatterjee5053 Well Wade did have a breakdown at the time so perhaps it all caught up with him. Also, do you know why Michaels estate said they "are not responsible for Michaels ACTIONS"? That is what happened when he tried to sue. But to me that quote does not dismiss if Michael did any wrong doing. Why are people ignoring that??
It turns out (according to the news), they all lied: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L1dUeE-c7S0.html .... Daniel Reed too 👀 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JPakhp24pN4.html
I see pain and honesty. I see two men putting themselves on the line to stick up for survivors like themselves of child sexual abuse. Michael Jackson fans need to look at the situation carefully because what you're potentially doing here is harassing, shaming, and trying to silence two men who have already endured gut-wrenching abuse by someone they trusted.
You seriously need to go and do some research of your own. Get perspective on the situation, get context, and you will understand why there is a clear majority of people not buying into the lies. All of the hard solid facts are on Michaels side. The poor man was innocent, completly innocent. Go do your search!
My husband who was a psychoanalyst for decades working with all kinds of difficult cases told me many years ago that he had no doubt that Michael was a pedophile. I did not agree with him at the time and didn't want to hear about It. My opinion was very similar to many others, such as he was acquitted, the conflicting statements from Robson, Chandler's father who extorted him, the fact they didn't found anything at his ranch etc. All those things and then some were proof to me that Michael was innocent. Then I started digging a bit deeper and just could not deny that many things don't add up. For instance, you can read everywhere that Chandler confessed of lying about the abuse. That is not true. What is true is that he had a horrible father who used him, but he never confessed that he lied. When It comes to Robson, It's a bit more complicated. He denied abuse for so many years, even testifying on Michael's behalf in court and now he's saying quite the opposite. He was deeply influenced by Michael in so may ways at such a young age and I'm sure he loved Michael deeply and for that reason he stayed loyal in every sense until he could not handle the conflict anymore between his heart and mind. It is hard to understand how that happens and It's easy to label him as a liar and a gold digger. I had the same opinion about him. Then, It is documented and proven in court that Michael would sleep with the particular boy in the same bed for more than 300 times. That alone should raise some serious questions. I never realised how common that was. I thought he slept with boys in the same bed perhaps few times, that's It, but this was a regular thing. Now, we all heard something in a line of: "What grown man sleeps with a boy in a same bed". I always justified that by thinking that It was some kind of unusual situation where they would all get together, watch a movie and crash. No, that was happening for years with various boys. He would meet a boy in Turkey, Australia etc and bring him and family to States to live with him. In some cases, that would happen very fast, no waiting, getting to know the people, no. He also went to live with one family for months, sleeping in little boy's room, with a boy in the same bed. Again, what grown healthy man does that, really? Do you have a brother, father who does that, do you know anyone, does that sound normal to you? Just think about It. If you heard that about your neighbour, you would not jump to his defence. People say he was just like a kid, that's It. Sorry, no. Michael often claimed that police didn't find anything at his ranch. They did find many books of naked young boys (only boys) but since there were no sexual activity shown, It had to be labeled as artistic books. Now, how many artistic books of young naked boys do you have on your shelf? Zero? How come? Also, there were two statements from two individuals who worked at ranch who saw the abuse, allegedly. One worker named Robson as a boy who was molested in shower. Why did Michael have all kinds of movement detectors and locks around his bedroom area? Do you have those as well? No, why not? All those thing and many more made me start to doubt about Michael's innocence and then I finally spoke to my husband and now I believe that Michael was indeed a pedophile and a very, very troubled man. If all this was somebody elses story, not Michael's, wouldn't you at least have some doubt? I could go on and on, but this post is becoming like a bad book.
@@wiinsim Where did you get the claim that he slept with boys in the same bed over 300 nights? He did not has any kind of move detectors in his house, as far as I know. You can find both in original court transcripts. I cannot reread everything again to point out which paragraphs but here is the link to some transcripts: www.scribd.com/document/111094302/UNSEALED-Grand-Jury-Court-Transcripts-People-v-Michael-Jackson-Notice-of-Motion-and-Motion-to-Set-Aside-the-Indictment-Memorandum-of-Points-and-Au Boys name was Brett Barnes. About the detectors/alarms, the testimony was given by the ranch worker Maria Gomez I believe her name was. You can also find original papers where a police officer describes in detail the books and magazines they found at Neverland. He actually described the books/magazines as types of publications that are regularly used for 'grooming' young boys, not art. I actually saw some photos somewhere, please look It all up, It's all on internet. No fan would send something like that. That was Michael's story. I don't have any questions, thank you. I've been in your place already, cannot turn back, sorry.
@@wiinsim I never said Brett Barnes accused Michael, I said he slept with the boy in the same bed for more then 300 times. Nobody even tried to dispute that, that's a fact, that happened. Just please think about It for a second objectively as possible, really think about It. Try to run that scenario in your head, what It took for that to happen over and over again, imagine It 300 times and then you tell me at what circumstances that would be normal and acceptable to a mentally healthy human. Now, that type of thing was happening for years with multiple boys, so imagine all that again few more thousand times. Come on! Also, imagine what kind of parent would allow all of that, would you allow that? That fact alone should be more than enough to at least question Michael's innocence. Again, think about all of that and imagine your neighbour doing that. Can you really tell me that you would go and say, yes, that's just normal, I see nothing strange about It, he must be just a kid at heart. Now, how was Maria Gomez a liar? Don't you think that police and defence would at certain point go and say there were no alarms, nobody disputed the existence of the alarms. It is not hard for police to see if the alarms were there or not. Those were not some cow bells, those were sensor type of alarms. Once you approach few meters to the bedroom hallway you trigger the sensors who then send quiet notification. Again, why would that be installed in a house full of people? Do you think that was for burglary protection, come on. Read all the transcripts, there are all kinds of small things as well that raise eyebrows. Just because Maria accepted money from tabloids, that doesn't make the fact about the alarms false. She was just like everyone around Michael, just like most people are, willing to sell their soul for money. When It comes to books and similar publications, as I mentioned earlier, yes there were no books with kids in sexual act and for that reason alone they were not able by law to classify those as porn. Yes, there were decades worth of collecting porn magazines as well, from Playboy, Hustler and so on. That's a lot of 'dirty' magazines! So yes, the books were legal but that doesn't make them any less disturbing to me. Perhaps you should purchase few on Ebay, look at them and see if you would be comfortable putting them on a shelf for your visitors to enjoy them. Perhaps you would enjoy them as well, I know I wouldn't, and again, I love art. When It comes to fingerprints, they didn't run the full analysys of fingerprints right away because they wanted to preserve DNA, the procedure would degrade the evidence. They did It later and they did found Michael's and fingerprints of a boy and his brother. Yes, the fingerprints were not found in 'art' books but in porn magazines. That sounds better? Again, all of that info is out there in transcripts. Non of those are hearsay, those are facts. I hope you consider changing your research skills.
@@RachelXKnight666 One book was, do you know which one?! What is your explanation about the rest of the books and porn magazines with names such as 'Almost Legal'?
@@wiinsim Look, I'm not going into a pissing contest with you, I have no time or interest for It. Just because Brett said that nothing happened, that doesn't mean It didn't. He might have millions of reasons for It, like in $, also many victims have a hard time admitting to themselves what happened was bad. Prosecution brought the sleepover facts to show what was common at Neverland to put things into a clear prospective. Any decent lawyer would run all the facts. No, you didn't say that Brett accused Michael. You just thought that I might think that. I don't. Yes, Michael was not an ordinary man with ordinary job, income or childhood, that's all true. I also felt compassion for him, tried to justify everything by saying the same things. People used him, abused him, his family were leaches, all of that made me feel sorry for him, but I just cannot ignore all the facts that are disturbing to say at least. We can discuss about what is art or not, also that men look at porn, all true, but you have to look at the picture in total, from every angle and if you do, please tell me how you can come out on the other end and not have at least some doubt? Why is It so hard to comprehand that? Now, I do have one question. You pointed out some website link, Is that your website, all dedicated to Michael's innocence? Sorry, I didn't look at It.
such a meaningful documentary. you must watch before passing judgement. The director documented every detail and response from involved parties on all sides. the forensically valid interpretations of law and criminal findings is absolutely stunning. as one of the many who believed MJ was unfairly targeted for his unusual and eccentric behavior plus bus loads of potential profit from bringing action. I was left gobsmacked at how all those feelings are now gone and I feel very ashamed for not believing these children.
@Zombie Killer You're in an asylum. That's clear. I hope the nurses take you away from the pc, as you are a danger to yourself and others online. Get mental help soon.
MJ was a predator sadly masked by his talent ,wealth and power. Be very careful of the people you are in awe of and develope a discerning instinct. Don’t be tricked by the glamour, protect your children. MJ’s every move was to make himself appear benign, he loved good looking young boys, developed a trust with their families, gave them careers and money. Do not be bought so cheaply. James and Wade are very very brave. Unfortunately there are many victims that have not come forward out of fear of their lives. MJ is dead but his power still reigns because so many of his people are living off of his money.
Do some more research, gullible fool. It was a market of lies. Boys were taught to lie. It's fully documented. You're not god, and for sure you do not know the tricks of the devil.
If Wades doing this to help victims of sexual abuse, why hasn't he publicly apologized to Gavin Arvizo for obstructing his justice in the 2005 trial? This is if you actually believe Wades story to be true. On the same note, if MJ raped him for 7 years, why would he have allowed someone like that to go on the stand in his defense? Think about it, you would want your star witnesses to consist of people you've never harmed. Not someone you've "sodomized" and had oral with for close to a decade. I'm sorry, no amount of "coaching" by MJ would've been able to mask that amount of horror during Cross examination.
Because his fans idolize Michael Jackson & his star-dome, & it is beyond their capacity to conceive that Michael Jackson might have done anything less than wonderful. It is inconsistent with tightly held beliefs & convictions regarding their idol to discover that he might have done something awful, & their ego's can't handle such discrepancy.
@@firstnamelastnamecanada337 or they are just liars? Nothing to do with being fans. I know people that aren't his fans defend him because they actually researched.
"When Wade told me that he loved Michael, then everything suddenly crystallized and made sense. This is difficult to say, but he had a fulfilling sexual and emotional relationship at the age of 7 with a 30-year-old man who happened to be the King of Pop. And because he enjoyed it, he loved Michael, and the sex was pleasant. I’m sorry, that’s just the reality." Dan Reed
@@firstnamelastnamecanada337 what the fuck does that even mean? Many people both young and old have told Michael they love him. Isn't love suppose to be pure??
@@ChokeslamToHell This is probably how Wade described it, and this is what makes it so hard to understand for many people. These children were not forced, they were manipulated and seduced by a pro. It doesn't mean it's not downright evil what he did to them.
@@coldwhitespring5004 No, they are provably lying, and Dan Reed either knows it, or is incredibly stupid/lazy and could not figure it out in the 17 months of “research” he claims he did. Wade and his ENTIRE FAMILY blatantly lied about the Grand Canyon trip and Wade supposedly being left at NL, where MJ allegedly first abused him. It is proven Wade went on that trip to the Grand Canyon. In fact, Wade AND his mother have radically different stories in Leaving Neverland than they did at their 2016 depositions, which happened only MONTHS before Leaving Neverland was shot! Wade has changed key elements of his story four times, and always after a judge or attorney points out a flaw with it.
@@handymanny6615 That's funny, my mom even told about a story when she was like 9 or 10 when a close friend of the family had her in his lap and the way he moved was so inappropriate. My mom recalls IMMEDIATELY going to her mom and telling her that the man scared her. And, it was found out that he had history of inappropriate behaviour with young girls.
@@handymanny6615 You missed the point...I don't care how young you are, but you're gonna know something is wrong. My mom even at that age was terrified and immediately ran to her mom and told her. Immediately told her something was up. In this case, you have two accusers you have actually supported MJ as adults and they're gonna try to convince me that they had NO CLUE that the sick shit they described MJ did to them was abuse? Haha, sorry I know you don't want to believe it. I know that some people would actually be disappointed that MJ truly was just an innocent dude taken advantage of. But nope, he was rich and weird and HAS to be guilty. I got news for you also...it's always the more normal people that are the guilty. Your soccer dad or basketball dad, your teacher, a close friend etc.
Their exaggerated emotions seem disingenuous.. ear scratching sign of lying. If you really were abused and remembered years of suppressed memories, you would be traumatised too greatly to have the energy to make a film about it. Just strange and disturbing.
@Zombie Killer Oh, so you missed that debate over pedophile hunters, who hunted down innocent men, chasing them into scuicide, just because they thought the person in question was a criminal? How great. We don't need courts anymore. average people should go out hunting down people without solid proof, without a trial, without a right to defend themselves. Brave new (in fact very old and very NOT democratic) world. In the meantime Dan Reed had no problem with the fact, that both Safechuck and Robsonm claim they had pedo fantasies about THEIR OWN KIDS... because that's normal.... right?
@Zombie Killer Are you aware fake accuastions exist? You clearly have zero knowledge on the topic, you have serious problems with elementary comprehension, too.
@Zombie Killer sleeping is NOT molestation. Are you aware sleeping is NOT criminal.act AT ALL... that's the ONLY thing you can find witnesses for. Too bad to yoh sleeping = f*cking. Which says more about YOU than about MJ.
@@write4yourlifenow He had no years long therapy, though. BOTH came up with the idea of being abused by MJ, after BOTH fantasized about raping their own kids. So they thought they were abuse by MJ. So they immediately sued for 1.5 BILLION. And kept suing and suing, despite they were thrown out over and over again.
They don't care They'd do me for the money They don't care They use me for the money You can try to stop me, but it won't do a thing No matter what you do, I'm still gonna be here Through all your lies and silly games I'ma still remain the same, I'm unbreakable This time around I'll never get bit Though you really wanna fix me This time around you're making me sick Though you really wanna get me Somebody's out Somebody's out to get me They really wanna fix me, hit me But this time around I'M TAKING NO SHIT Though you really wanna get me You really wanna get me 'Cause there's a time when you're right And you know you must fight Who's laughing baby, don't you know And there's the choice that we make And this choice you will take Who's laughin' baby? So just leave me alone Leave me alone (leave me alone) Leave me alone Leave me alone (leave me alone, leave me alone, leave me alone) Leave me alone (leave me alone) stop it! Just stop doggin' me around Everybody watching the news on Michael Jackson They wanna see that I fall cause I'm Michael Jackson You write the words to destroy like it's a weapon You turned your back on the love and you can't get it again You keep changin' the rules While you keep plain' the game I can't take it much longer I think I might go insane with such confusion Don't it make you wanna scream Your bach abusin' victimize within the scheme You find your pleasure scandalizin' every lie Oh father, please have mercy 'Cause I just can't take it Stop pressurin' me Just stop pressurin' me STOP FUCKING WITH ME! Make me wanna scream Break down: Oh my God, can't believe what I saw on the TV this evening I was disgusted by all the injustice All the injustice
Other lie: "Jackson allegedly said his relationship with Lisa Marie Presley 'didn't mean anything'" As young children, both Safechuck and Robson claim that Jackson would try to turn them against their parents and make them hate women. He gave Robson nicknames such as "Little One" and "Doo Doo," and would leave him daily faxes and voicemails saying how much he loved having a friend like him. Leading up to his short-lived marriage to Lisa Marie Presley in 1994, Jackson would try to comfort Safechuck by telling him that he "had to have public relationships with women" but "it wouldn't mean anything," Safechuck says. WATCH PICTURES MJ& LMP BEFORE, DURING & AFTER DIVORCE AND AT FUNERAL AND HER VESSEL "I will always love you. Eternally, L." LIARS
You are forgetting Lisa didn't even defend her so called "friend" after the documentary came out she didn't even comment on it..plus there is a RU-vid interview where she explains she had to receive therapy after she spilt with Jackson and feel awkward and embarrassed and ashamed she married him...olus she has a book coming out, where hopefully she will reveal the truth about him. Her book out soon: www.nme.com/news/music/lisa-marie-presley-reportedly-working-explosive-tell-book-michael-jackson-2534340?amp
crimson Ivy nah this screening was full of ‘journalist’ and they LOVE to punch down on Michael Jackson. They do not want to admit they were wrong during the 2005 trail so they find the most outlandish claims and run with it. Pathetic
@Zombie Killer wow how smart answer have your brain falling apart thinking how to connect all this words together? If this is the IQ I am not going to ask you for facts obvious you can collect them. Bye
I know right! And Dan Reed is incredible - to think that he achieved in 4 hours what the FBI couldnt in 17 years? What do you think Dan did that was so effective in finally getting us to see the truth?
Helen Carroll Michael Jackson was not a molester. The police raided his house and found no child pornography, the kid claimed that he saw his privates, but when the investigators cross sectioned Michael, they were not able to match the kids claims. And the FBI was stalking Michael for years!!! He would have been put to jail if they suspected Michael doing a thing wrong. And as far as Wade and James is concerned, them like the rest are doing it for the money. I've watched the documentary and it's full of bs. There were so many inconsistencies and lies told in there. Wade testified UNDER OATH that Michael had not molested him. And now he's flipping his story because he's broke and for revenge. Revenge because he was not able to become a head choreographer for the MJ show and was rejected by the MJ estate. And Wade even dated Michael's niece Brandi Jackson for over 7 years and he cheated on her with Britney Spears or whatever. She claimed that he was not a nice man and that he was using her for fame and money. When MJ passed away, Wade spoke to one of the Jackson family members and said that he wants his mother to be the guardian / take custody of MJs kids and not Katherine Jackson (Michael's mother). I can go on and on about the lies those 2 men have told .......
WTF??? THEY ARE PEOPLE... people who have suffered but what do you want...them to never smile again? Alot of people smile when talking about teuamatizingly horrible events...it is a natural part of struggling to talk about hard things.
Jackson said he wanted to be like Jesus and Jesus was always surrounded by children and said be like children - innocent, playing and wholesome. Fair enough. So how come MJ only had boys around him? Why not share his bed and have sleepovers with young girls as well?
Michael does all these things with Wade for years supposedly and Michael feels comfortable with Wade vouching for him as the first witness in court to save his life? He wouldn't have at least put someone on he knew he wasn't molesting but instead put someone on he told would go to jail if he didn't lie? Michael would feel comfortable that Wade wouldn't have a breakdown under pressure of court and reveal what was "really" going on? Makes absolutely no sense. And the idea of any witnesses , like Michael has all this land and rooms and he's gonna leave doors wide open or molest in open spaces so staff or something can walk in? All of these people wanted money. Look at both sides of the story, this documentary won't offer that , there's never been any evidence and never will be. Ignorance will not outlast love. Michael is innocent forever .
@@insaneone4369 it takes only 10 minutes , RU-vid search Charles Thompson on Michael Jackson. He is an investigative journalist who has been studying the court cases of Robson and Safechuck. There is heaps of proof that they are lying. Check his Twitter , just today he retweeted the court documents that shows James Safechuck had been sued for over a million dollars and 2 days later is when he joined the lawsuit against the Jackson estate. That's the least of the suspicious activity of those 2. I can only go one case at a time. Check out Charles Thompson and then dispute his facts
Michael wanted nothing much to do with Wade. Wade seemed like he wanted Michael to do more for HIM so that he could get a real leg into the music /dance industry. I think Michael saw that Wade was trying to use him. Michael is not a dumb businessman. He can see the signs. Why do you think Cirque de Soleil didn't hire Wade?
click bait right? You think we’re going to go away and let you keep lying on this man no we’re going to keep spreading the truth the truth is on paper it’s in the transcripts it’s in the depositions this in the mouths of the lawyers and the investigators And the people who were on the defense team. people like you who think you can control the earth doesn’t quite work that way though
@Zombie Killer Court Files, FBI Files, etc - Prove Jackson's Innocence without a shadow of doubt. Here is where this hell on Earth for MJ started. Read : themichaeljacksonallegations.com/the-1993-allegations/
How you can all look at these heartbroken men’s tearful faces & close your hearts is unfathomable to me. My God, just look at Jimmy. Heartbreaking. It’s ok to love the music & condemn the behaviour if that is how you feel. Pedophiles can be wonderful at other things too.
It's literally been proven they lied over and over. What the hell are people so insane they believe over facts? If he cried and said the sun was green, would you believe him? Jesus.
I absolutely believe them and think they are very brave for finally speaking out after all these years that takes courage, I hope it will encourage more to do the same stand together and finally feel safe to tell the world the truth of what really went on behind close doors!! I always felt in my heart there was something sickening going on with all those kids and in my opinion neverland was build to lure kids in and groom them what now comes to my mind is that old film chitty chitty bang bang when the man used an ice cream van to lure children chanting lollipops creepy!! We as a nation need to wake up to child abuse and grooming and become more aware and educated to stop it from happening to our next generation.
ms. minchin lee Michael Jackson was not a molester. The police raided his house and found no child pornography, the kid claimed that he saw his privates, but when the investigators cross sectioned Michael, they were not able to match the kids claims. And the FBI was stalking Michael for years!!! He would have been put to jail if they suspected Michael doing a thing wrong. And as far as Wade and James is concerned, them like the rest are doing it for the money. I've watched the documentary and it's full of bs. There were so many inconsistencies and lies told in there. Wade testified UNDER OATH that Michael had not molested him. And now he's flipping his story because he's broke and for revenge. Revenge because he was not able to become a head choreographer for the MJ show and was rejected by the MJ estate. And Wade even dated Michael's niece Brandi Jackson for over 7 years and he cheated on her with Britney Spears or whatever. She claimed that he was not a nice man and that he was using her for fame and money. When MJ passed away, Wade spoke to one of the Jackson family members and said that he wants his mother to be the guardian / take custody of MJs kids and not Katherine Jackson (Michael's mother). I can go on and on about the lies those 2 men have told .......
@@si1328 You also forgot to mention the vmas. Remember at the 2009 VMAS, Janet did a tribute to Michael with scream, she killed it and danced with Mike one last time. One of the backup dancers, happened to be Wade. Why the hell would Wade dance on stage with Janet in a tribute honoring him and then turn around only 4 years later to accuse Michael. BS.
@@BLTKellys no because everyone is not a moron to fall for these two proven liars, making a mockery of child abuse victims. They are not victims, they're extortionists who are making attempts to grab millions from the MJ estate & companies. Your common sense have been overshadowed by your ignorance & lack of researching skills
Not everyone who claims to be a victim, is not a VICTIM. False accusations do exist & it's a travesrt to the ones who are falsely accused & the ones who are real victims. These two men have repeatedly lied about their abuse, demanding millions from the estate. Their lies have been exposed ages ago, but the media deliberately ignores it. Don't fall for this smear propaganda
So Michael can back track like no tomorrow on his words but they laugh at a dumb question that’s answered in the film and they are “lying” ya you got something on your mouth, ass.
a couple actual facts: * James claims to have done sexual acts with Jackson between 1988-1992. He told a story that they would go into the train station at Neverland to do these acts... The train station was not built until November 1993.. * James claims in September 1992, that he, 'another boy', and Michael were in his CA apartment - as James cried himself to sleep because Michael was spending his time with the other boy.. Michael Jackson was in Europe the entire month of September in 1992 on his Dangerous tour. Please support these type of facts to be spread by helping with the Docu-series Michaels nephew is working on. He plans to aim this on a big scale. It is currently in pre-production and there is a GoFundMe to help.. @t
"The train station was not built until November 1993.. " You got the date wrong. The train station was not built until 1994. Michael Jackson himself does not get to see the train station until 1995.
I have a few questions: do they mumble all through this "documentary" like they do in the Q&A? James, particularly, can't understand a thing he says. And what's the deal with Wade and his ear??
No the audio is really clear in the documentary I think it was the mike that recorded this specific video because I felt like everyone was a little fuzzed out here
I just saw the docu. I believe these 2 boys, now men. Not blaming the parents, but they should of NEVER trusted Michael!! NOT normal for a mid 30 yo man to spend so much time with boys. He manipulated them...they're families!!
I don't understand that first Wade Robson testified under oath Michael Jackson didn't molest him, back then he had the chance to sue him. But just after Michael died, he came out with his version Michael did molest him. Do they both, Safchuck and Robson, have any conscience? Robson owes Michael his whole career, Michael taught him how to dance, because of Michael Robson had the right connections. When he really was molested, why did he keep his friendship with Michael alive, even when he was an adult? Would you stay friends with someone who molested you? Safechuck and Robson should both be ashamed. Dont' they think about Michael's children, what they do to them? Poor Paris, I hope she's strong.
@@DeepScreenAnalysis Haha this is running joke on the real victims over there .My one relative is a victim of Child molestation and trust me he didn't need a career fall to realize that he is a victim if anyone believe that a grown ass man who was supporting MJ few years back and suddenly realises that Mj molested him *Fool* is the word for her / him.
I hope that everyone supporting these disgusting allegations takes the time to learn the real truth and do their research. Michael Jackson is Innocent! Justice will prevail.
Lauren Blakely Nothing was found it the raid of Neverland Ranch. None of the items seized from Neverland fit the legal definition of child pornography, and in fact many of the items that are currently creating the most media hysteria were not pornographic at all. They were legal art books; a few of them containing some examples of adult erotica, but again, these were not titles that could be in any way deemed as pornographic or even obscene. This isn’t to say that Jackson didn’t own any pornography at all. The truth was that a sizable amount of adult heterosexual pornography had been confiscated in the raid, but Jackson was a grown man and this type of pornography is not illegal to own.
Yes, he was very careful about what he owned. There was one book that was of nude teenage boys from the 1800's. Not illegal to own, but certainly indicative of what he liked to look at.
Lauren Blakely you can try and deem him a predator if you want, but you’ll never win. Michael Jackson was proven innocent. The accusers are liars and it is clear that they are money hungry. Michael wanted nothing more than to help children and change the world for the better. #JusticeForMJ
I'm not trying to deem him anything. None of us know for sure. There's no 100% surefire way to know unless we were there. I'm simply stating what the police found when they raided Neverland in 2003.
Wade Robson has been touching his ear a lot these past few years. I just Googled it and yes, it's a very common tell in body language that a person is lying, saying something contrary to what they know/remember as the truth. But it can also mean nervousness. I do find it interesting to note. This is either a subconscious tell, or his ear has been very itchy the last few years and needs cream.
Touching ears,rubbing nose,and touching of face,are the common signs of saying something contrary,and I compared Wade’s interviews years before,he didn’t do it at all, as you said, May be his ears are really itchy during the years he accused Michael jackson.
You can give me documentaries the facts and then touching stories, otherwise all this is slander and you need to go to jail. My verdict is not guilty, as long as there are no facts.
"Having fought for Michael for so many years, what I've learned is that the Media is not interested in anything that isn't controversial or sensational. Facts do not matter when lies sell more than the truth. Shameless "journalism!"" /Friends… Emotional manipulation is an extremely powerful thing. The things that I witnessed happening inside hearts as a result of their experience with this film traumatized me. I still cannot eat and sleeping is difficult. But here is what I know for sure… My personal journey with Michael began in the purest possible way. I experienced Him within my soul, and it changed my life and permanently altered the person I am. No one told me about Michael. I knew nothing beyond the superficial, and I was not searching to find anything in Him. It was direct and uninfluenced by ANYONE. And I know that thousands of us began with Him this way. So whatever else is out there, if a heart is open and ready, He will reach them, and they will KNOW. We have something very powerful to share. Michael wasn’t here to give us the answers, He was here to make us ask the questions. He sets us soul-seeking. The Truth is the Truth, no matter what else is said, and no matter what else anyone believes. WE HAVE THE TRUTH. Michael is ours and we are His. Nothing can change that. Keep your focus Within.
1000 procent they are telling the truth. If this happend to me no amount of money in the world would be enoughf to make this good. Keep on telling your thruth in the end god will judge and punish.
It's appalling how many people are believing them. Robson has defended MJ all his life UNTIL the MJ Estate refused to hire him for a show. Then he went broke and suddenly remembered being 'abused'. His case was thrown out of court and now he owes the Estate hundred of thousands of dollars. Look into the facts and listen to the other side of the story if you have an ounce of integrity in you. May these 2 go to hell for this.
They look like they are really enjoying the attention! They may not have been paid for this but there will be magazines, books, appearances etc they will get paid. They tried to sue the estate and got nowhere and this is revenge in my book. Why are they laughing? Molestation is a serious thing.
They're telling the truth. Ask Jesus to give you discernment. I was molested as a child, the abusers threats do carry on for years within the heart and makes it hard to talk about it BECAUSE people (like most of you) end up calling the abused innocent people, liars. You who are calling them liars, should all be ashamed of yourself
I believe these men.. but MJ was also a very good person.. This is very conflicting.. How can can this be.. I can't bring myself to accept that MJ's legacy is over now. Nothing will ever change it back. I hate that Dan Reed went fishing for a controversial story for ratings, I hate that he gave the accusers free reign to say what they want, I hate that there is no challenge to their claims, MJ is dead, he can't defend himself.. but Safechuck is believable.. he looks devastated.. please help.. I don't know what to do.. this is traumatising
MJ's assault on them was romantic and not violent so he probably didn't even realise he was doing something bad. It's still sexual abuse though, it's called grooming.
I agree with you. Michael was a good guy but had mental issues. He was also a closeted gay man because being s black gay man at that time was not appreciated and Michael was also ashamed of being gay.
I understand you!!! You know, I noticed that many talented people have some mental issues. But I think that this is God's decision: creations of these people awaken bright feelings in us. This is real paradox!!! I came to the conclusion that you can love an art, but not those, who make it (after all, we can never even meet these people to get to know them well). They are only guides of the word of God, so we should take them that way. Even MJ stated that he is like a tunnel through which songs appear.
@@dianakarakasidi1070 I do not think it is connected. Luther Vandros was rumored to be gay, and he, like a black man, was ashamed to admit it, but he did not abuse children.
МаринA The thing is I heard Michael was sexually abused when he was younger by some producers. So maybe that contributed to his interest in young boys...
@@meandujcko3420 No. They are both telling what they believe is the absolute truth & their body language indicates just that. You simply prefer to attempt to describe clues, that do not exist, to discredit them.
@@VioletSeduction Your reply with its profanity highlights ugliness, indicates shortcomings, & is unimpressive. Instead, write intelligently, make sense prior to posting, & be sensitive for the readers.
I love the fact the fans are getting dissed because of their obsession with MJ? Yes, they can go over the top in fandoms. However I am not a fan and never have been, but after seeing this joke of a documentary I can clearly see it's all for money gain! Speaking of obsessed? That Wade clearly was with MJ, as was his mother! They left their country to follow Michael so they could be famous and have attention! Sad people! What disgusts me is the fact there are genuine folk out there who have suffered child abuse, who ARE NOT GETTING HEARD!
