as true MJ fans we appreciate the struggle that MJ went through in his early nba final years. It toughened him up as a player and made him a better leader
@@weswarden2216 MJ should have switched teams imagine how many rings he would have today? Probably as many as Bill Russell and MJ would be the true GOAT instead of being #2 to Lebron today. Such a shame though.
That’s the huge misconception that people who don’t watch games think. They think Scottie just showed up and they started winning. No Scottie was drafted in 87. He was on these teams getting his ass beat too. It took him years to grow as a player to become what he eventually became.
That’s why I read my comments. I learn more reading comments than I do actually watching the videos. Ya be knowing the stuff they don’t say out loud. Appreciate that.
Way to drop that knowledge on these youngsters. Scottie wasn't even recruited out of high-school. He walked on some little Univ. in Arkansas as an equipment mgr./player. His main duty as a Freshman was to keep gym on point. Only reason he played his first year was due to a few teammates quitting the team. And as a rookie in NBA he couldn't beat out Brad Sellers for starting small-forward spot. His rookie year he averaged 7 ppg coming off bench. That's the same year MJ was named league MVP and DPOY. After a few years under Air Jordan's wings, Pip became Boy Wonder to MJ's Batman.
Exactly, when Pippen came to the league, MJ was already the best player in the world. When they won their first championship Pippen was barely a fringe allstar and he wasn't considered a star until MJ retired, just a Khris Middleton level guy (with worst offense and better defense) If you take Pippen out of the Bulls and substitute with a healthy Grant Hill, they still win 6
@@THE-MAD-TECHIEmany people don’t even know Pippen was drafted by Seattle, then traded for him. And I’m sure those people also don’t know the player the Bulls traded Pippen for was Shawn Kemp.
before MJ and his Bulls Team started winning championships, defenses and opposing team's coaches were at odds with how best to STOP MJ from scoring on them at will...All of the Eastern Conference Teams were trying to figure MJ out in order to keep him from destroying their team...after MJ torched Larry Bird's hall of fame stacked '86 Celtics for 49 pts and 63 pts in the first 2 games of the playoffs, word got out that something had to be done to slow MJ down...Chuck Daly (coach of the Bad Boy Detroit Pistons) took his defense to the next level in '87-'90, through the creation of 'The Jordan Rules'...Pat Riley (coach of the NY Knicks) saw this trend as being effective and decided to use this same defensive approach...and it wasn't too much longer before all of the top teams in the Eastern Conference followed the same defensive strategy, which was to take MJ out of his rhythm and out of his game whenever possible and as often as possible...that said, it's a miracle that MJ survived in the NBA from 1987-1990...the Pistons, Knicks, Magic, Heat, Pacers, and Cavaliers tried repeatedly to stop MJ (slow him down)...but yet MJ's will to win and succeed was more than they anticipated...is there anyone in today's NBA that could've gone through so many years of physical abuse and yet STILL led the NBA in scoring? in this video, the commentator stated that MJ was AVERAGING 38 pts per game after the first 2 rounds of the playoffs...really? and without the reliance on the 3-pt shot too!! in today's NBA, MJ would most certainly be averaging a lot more than 38 per game in the regular season and playoffs....facts over feelings as always. 💯💥✌
Appreciate that take on what was happening behind the scenes in that time. Yeah imma firm believer Now! MJ would’ve broken the league if he played in this era of soft basketball. Just an incredible story.
The plot on MJ in the eastern conference was real, you forgot Indiana and Atlanta adopted the same defensive philosophy even though they weren't as complete of a team as the squads you mentioned
Scottie was there being intimidated every game by Rodman... MJ shook Isiah's hand each time, when the Pistons lost he ducked out before the game ended. Joe Dumars, Rodman and a few others stayed on the court and congratulated him.
Thomas claimed later on that it was because Phil and MJ disrespected the Pistons during an interview that they were bad for the game and that as champions they gained the right to be respected. He may have some point in there and some fans may agree with him, but it cant be denied that they were really physically hurting other players while going for their "domination by intimidation" motto -- not only the Bulls, other teams especially Celtics and Lakers, others didn't like them too. So the question is, having said the above, does that justify their walkout ? Nothing justifies such an unsportsman-like conduct. Stop before some of you mention Celtics 'walkout' against the Pistons. It wasn't a walkout, they were instructed by the building security to move out already for their safety.
@dervish816 Isiah talks out of both sides of his mouth. Regardless of his claims of what everyone else did, he knows Jordan took his lumps, but stayed on the court and congratulated him. Even when the Bulls beat the Lakers, not only did Magic congratulate Michael and the Bulls on the court, he went into their locker room to congratulate Mike again. Zeke is just saying whatever he can to stay relevant in the media.
rodman actually didn't stay. John Salley, Dumars and some say Vinnie Johnson stayed. The rest walked. that's why it was a major deal Pippen and Jordan agreed to have rodman later since he was not only physical against them but he was one of the walkers.
People need to appreciate what Jordan did. His scoring 30 a night through this packed paint and physical defenses that laid hands and bodies on you constantly, would be scoring 50 a night in today's soft league.
The only bad thing is that the Pistons got to carried away with trying to hurt Jordan & Other Players. Which in turn, Turned this game into mush that it is today. Like Bird said in a interview on the Rules they use today: Yea they needed to clean it up a little bit BUT they went to far with it. And They did, I don't know how anyone can stand watching this today. It's Not Basketball Any Longer; They Should Just Call It "The 3 Point & Dunk Contest" Game's.
Thank you!. Here in Chicago we were coming off of 85 Bears high, and Jordan made us pay attention to the Bulls. Before Jordan, I was a Reggie Theus fan. The Bulls were a trash team, but Jordan BY HIMSELF made them a playoff them. Pistons had to do something. Pippen wasn't even a factor when he first arrived. Pistons beat the living shit out of Jordan, and he still kept taking it the hoop, knowing they were trying to hurt him. I absolutely hated the Pistons. Time has a way of healing old hurts; I still hate that Pistons team, but I respect them.
Here is a story for you that most people don't Know. Back in 1993 there was a million dollar half time show challenge in the Bulls arena. Guy made the 80ft shot but due to some violation of the rules they refused to pay the brother. The Bulls player with Mike in the lead had a sit down with Bulls office and told them pay him. The brother received his first check and a letter stating he would get paid 50k a year for 20 years. No one knew who made that happen. Same dude showed up to see Mike at some practice and Mike recognized him and told security to let come over. Jordan ask him DID YOU GET YOUR MONEY? guy was like yea but he forgot to get that same ball signed which was what he went for in the in the first place. Jordan took care of that too a couple of month later.
You forgot some detail in this story.. it was the insurrance that refused to pay and continue to refuse when Mike and the bulls told them to pay so MJ and the entire bulls team paid the guy out of thier own pockets.
I saw a story on this as well; the guy used the money to put his kid through med school. The rule violation was that the guy had either played or was recruited to play college ball (and not at some big college like UNC or Duke) but it had literally been years since then but the organizers tried to weasel out of paying him anyway.
In his four playoff series against the Pistons, MJ averaged 27.4 (on .491 shooting), 29.7 (on .460), 32.1 (on. 467), and 29.8 (on .535). In each of those series, he had a higher shooting percentage than Isiah did and a higher percentage than the Pistons had overall as a team. No one on the Pistons outplayed Jordan in their match-ups. But they did slow him down, and they outplayed all of his teammates (including Pippen) in three consecutive playoffs. Before the Triangle Offense turned him into a respectable (though never great) scorer, Pippen was basically just Bruce Bowen with a better vertical.
Nobody averaged more points against the Pistons than Michael Jordan. They stopped the Bulls by stopping those around Jordan. They didn't stop Jordan directly, they stopped the Bulls as a team
The "we got older" Pistons narrative is BS. When MJ swept them, they were back to back current champions and their stars were at their prime age: Aguirre 31, Dumars 27, Laimbeer 33, Rodman 29, Isiah ThomaS 29, Salley 26, Vinnie Johnson 34. Jordan just obliterated them from the league for the next decade
At that time, Jordan didn't have Scottie. It was Jordan vs. Bill Lambeer, Isaiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Dennis Robinson, John Sally & Rick Mahorn. Jordan vs. the full Bad Boys squad. P.S. I'm was a Knicks fan & Bill Lambeer is full of s***.
MJ's mindset was too maniacal. They wouldn't be able to stop him with Ronnie Lott tackles. Soon as Mike had his FIRST and only prime All-Star teammate it was quickly over like Kurt Cobain with a baked biscuit.
People don't realize that Pistons team had4 HoFers, then 2 All-Stars (not in the HoF) and one of the coldest 6th men to ever play the game. That's what it took to beat ONE man, MJ. Pippen was still developing (it took him 3 seasons to become All-Star Pippen) and they still took Detroit to 6 games in the ECF, 7 games in the ECF, and then finally beat them once Pippen developed.
@GabosReacts thanks for stating the facts "Pippen was NOT that guy" At least not then. But once Pippen started really getting active out there, it was a wrap, especially with MJ pushing him to be better. Some other old school players you could react to, 7'4 Ralph Sampson who ran the floor and could dribble/shoot, Shawn Kemp, Charles Barkley in Philly, Dominique wilkins, nick van excel.
It took a few years for the Bulls as a team, to play as hard as Jordan. And what’s lost in the Jordan rules, and changes in league defense, was that 3 people were fouling him, and only 1 would be assessed a foul. That’s very effective at beating the crap out of someone for little cost. And you must have never heard of Hack-a-Shaq, because the big guy had a cheap tactic played against him as well.
It’s not that us Jordan fans don’t want to hear it. We watched it as it happened. I loved the Bad Boy Pistons, they’re my second favorite all time team. Yet it was something to watch as Jordan overcame them, we watched as he evolved into a team player, we watched as he relentlessly kept coming until he achieve greatness. We knew he was the best before he ever won a single ring. I still love the fact that the Bad Boys didn’t shake hands, it was in keeping with the Bad Boy image.
Mad love, you being a Lebron fan, giving respect to Mike on this 1. But being honest, Lebron is gradually destroying his legacy by joining HOFamers just to get swept constantly flopping, & the proclaim goat without a go to move, other than running over point guards, relying on the Refs for a call.
"yall dont wanna hear that" containing him meant trying to hurt him. thats not the same as playing good defense. they couldnt contain him playing actual defense.
Yeah this kid bugging off that like that's a knock on MJ. These casuals out here with their "reviews" of a player they never saw kill me. Especially when they don't even know the game.
As is mentioned near the end by the old Pistons commentator, was that the Pistons had players who were willing to play dirty and target another player like that. Some of their players were basically hated by most fans and a lot of the players back then too. They were viewed as thugs, almost cheaters.
The LeBron rules have been around for years. They were really obvious in the playoffs this year. Encourage LeBron to score. The more points he gets, the more chance you can thrash his team. He played a game where he scored 49 points and was a negative 35. Leave him wide open on the three point line and if he gets the ball, whoever is supposed to be guarding him should stay at the free throw line to stop him charging to the basket. If you can keep him outside 3 feet he shoots around 20%. When it gets to the fourth quarter give him even more space because including layups, he is 17% for his career in clutch time. And in the last four years he is 0-15 in tying or go ahead shots in the last 5 seconds. When he is on the floor no amount of help will be enough. That Lakers team are really good when he's not there.
It's a misconception that they tried to clear the lane to help Jordan and the Buls. All they did was introduce the flagrant foul rule for excessive hits. That didn't prevent teams from slamming guys to the floor to prevent layups and dunks; teams were playing the Bulls physically into the late 90's (Heat, Knicks and Sonics in 1996, Heat in 1997, Indiana in 1998, who had the former Pistons defensive coordinator Dick Harter on their team), and it wasn't until after the 2003-04 season that the NBA really clamped down on pysicality. Completely bannng hand checking in the front court and only allowing it if a player has his back to the defender, banning any contact on cutters through the lane, and introducing the defensive 3 second violation. That in particular made the paint comically wide open for players.
Man, when you said you don't know who Horace Grant is, but you don't want to see him take another shot, I was crying. Nostalgia for real. Real talk, back in the day, when Horace took a jump shot, everybody held their breath. But once he got his goggles, he was a much better jump shooter. Then everybody understood lol!
Jordan is the most toughest, strongest, and most fearless player I have ever seen play, both physically and mentally. To go through all that and still come out on top is unparalleled in any era. Folks today don't have a clue what he went through to get to the top but continually speak out of pocket recklessly about how he's not that great. Unless you were there witnessing it with your own eyes, you really have no idea how good this 'Black Cat' really was and still is. And you can include NY taking their shots at him in the early 90s too, but he being Jordan, repelled all of them to stay on top. But that's another story for another day. Peace ✌🏽
The only reason it worked a little bit is because there was no one else to go to. They was able to concentrate on one man. Hence the “ the Jordan rules”.
That was a crock of sh** that they cleaned the game up for the Bulls. NBA didnt start truly cleaning it up til after Knicks and Miami did their playoff battles. And MJ started involving his teammates when they got better, it just so happened that his teamates started growing into better players when the Triangle offense was implemented. The timing was perfect and the Triangle offense flourished.
Everything you said is a lie. The pistons always beat the bulls because MJ was the only guy who could score against that defense! Bill hated MJ and said MJ was the only guy who could score against them so they knew by stopping MJ they would win and they did until 1991.
@@tajgibson8776 what did I say that was a lie? I didn't even mention the Pistons. I was referring to when the video said the NBA starting cleaning up the hard fouls so that the Bulls could benefit from it. Which was not true. I also said that the Bulls got better when MJ's teammates got better/older and when the Triangle offense was put into place. Which wasn't until 1989 when new coach Phil Jackson and Tex Winters started running the offense. Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying, but I'm not sure what I was lying about.
It depends on what you mean cleaned up. The Knicks that you described are unrecognisable today in their defence because they were so violent. Agreed. The foul calls were more likely than they were against the pistons, so you could argue it had been cleaned up, but definitely not the way most people interpret the statement. Even late in Kobe's career, a few people still talked about "you have five fouls to use". You don't hear that talk much now. If there's contact, the fouls are often called in favour of the defence, it wasn't like that in the 80's, 90's or even early 2000's
@@johnnewsham5193 yeah I get what you are saying, especially the part where you said it depends on how you interpret when and how the NBA cleaned up the hard fouls. Maybe it was a slow process that started around the end of the Pistons dominance..which I believe was the time that the Flagrant Foul started to be called. Then I can remember in the early 90's the refs starting being less liberal with how defenders could hand check, which Jordan definitely benefitted from, but also a lot of star players did. My statement I made about the Knicks-Miami was where, in my mind and memory, that the end of "tough" defense began. Which I could be wrong. A hard foul could get players ejected, which wasn't something that was normal in the 80's early 90's. Hand checking became an instant fould by mid 2000's. And the game literally became unrecognizable as you put it, from what I saw in 80's, 90's, early 2000's. I just didn't agree with what the video said about the game was cleaned up so that the Bulls could dominate. I had felt the game was pretty tough with hard fouls for many years after the Pistons reign. But like you said, I guess it's how you look at it. I do think it's fair to say that the NBA wanted to get away from the "Bad Boys" type of game of the late 80's.
@@NosEL34 yeah the late 90s heat/knicks scrums made the league take notice more than this. all they did here was institute flagrants which penalized dirty fouls, not clean them up.
"Don't wanna hear that" ?? Would Lebron (or any current player) score easily with 2-4 defenders purposely giving him rib shots, punches, elbows, shoulders, forearms, and flat out full tackles under the rim? The Bulls may not have won those series but MJ STILL got his points...even with Jordan Rules...
Lebron would have passed the ball to his teammates and his teammates would miss the shots and got blamed and the entire team would be traded next year while he takes his talent to the Motor City.
Not only that, the good majority of the clips in this video would easily be called a foul now. I see a lot of hands on the waist of the ball handler. Also, nothing will cause you to lose your balance like a "legal" Anthony Mason chest bump.
Again MJ wouldn’t have become the psychopathic dominant player if Celtics & Bad Boys didn’t hold him down from 85-90. Jordan had to get physically stronger and patch a couple of weaknesses in his game. Plus his teammates needed to gain mental toughness to overcome the Bad Boys. The eastern conference was always tougher and ECF were often more of a battle than finals throughout MJ’s career hence game 7’s in ECF & none in finals. We watched MJ get 1 step closer each year. 80’s Jordan was a great player but by 90’s he became a legendary player.
Yeah, "Pippen was growing up". That in itself destroys this belief that Pippen showed up and somehow saved a dude that reining NBA champions developed a set of rules for that were not used for any other player in the game. Check all those no show stats while they were learning to beat the Pistons he put up while Mike was raising him. The other part is Mike didn't run and assemble the Super Friends on 3 different occasions. He fought it out until he got it right.
Yes. MJ spent a lot time with Scottie helping him develop and grow his game. Scottie would spend a lot of time over at Michael's home when they would practice and train together and Scottie would learn and understand the game more. Michael spent a lot of time also helping him build up his self confidence and strengthen him mentally.
I know that you are a lebron fan. Your honesty and unbiased reviews made me subscribed to your channel with thumbs up. This remark is coming from a Dennis rodman and Michael Jordan fan. Thank you young man.
When you say Jordan don’t want to hear that. What you all must understand is we had a saying back then playing ball in that era, “You must crawl before you walk” most teams back then didn’t just start winning every top team had to go through struggle (lose) before you picked from those lessons and continued to work on your game in the gym. It’s really what made him every year he came back he brought something new to his bag. Once you go through it, it’s makes you mentally tough as a player.
The Pistons weren't old. The only player over 30 in the year they got swept by the Bulls was Bill Laimbeer, who I believe was 31. Rodman, Isiah, Dumars, Salley, etc were all 26-29, the same age as the core of the bulls. The Pistons just got stomped.
Not correct. They had several key players over 30. Mark Aguirre was 31, Bill was 33 actually, Vinnie Johnson was 34, James Edwards and Tree Rollins were 35 and Scott Hastings was 30. That said Mark, Bill and Vinnie were the only major players of that group by then and their BEST players were Rodman, Dumars and Thomas...so yes they weren't old, you just have some of the mathematics wrong, basically Laimbeer is a bitch who can't credit the Bulls for anything.
Love your enthusiasm and commentary. I grew up in Chicago and loved watching the bulls play. Going to the United Center was every kids dream. The bulls era was magical.
Everyone who’s old enough knows about the Jordan rules, no surprise there. What really got my attention in this video is the sage, wisdom, and understanding that most of the old-school Detroit players seem to have. They definitely understood the change in the league as it was occurring and why the owners legislated to have a lot of the physicality driven out of the game. No surprise today that we watch, smaller guards dominate the league and score at a rate that seems to be completely unchecked. The day of bigs guarding the paint and stopping dribble penetration is pretty much gone.
For a LeBron fan your take on this video is insightful and shows you are both informed and a fan who respects the game, and for that alone I will subscribe to you. As for the Pistons, what they played wasn't basketball--it was what my brothers and I used to call "Commando Ball" where nobody got to call any fouls and you could play as rough as you wanted to play. To Jordan's credit, he never whined about it and kept driving to the hoop. Mahorn, Edwards and even Rodman were thugs on the court back then, as was even "little" Isiah, who was always jealous of Jordan for becoming the toast of HIS hometown, Chicago. When the Bulls finally got past Detroit it was like an epiphany---they never lost a playoff series to them again. This sort of thing is what my generation points to when people want to compare ANY modern player with MJ, whether it's LeBron or anyone else. That Jordan went through this and survived to become what he became is as much a part of the mystique as his game ever was, and makes his accomplishments that much more incredible. A lot of players could have had their careers ended by games like these, or at least changed their games to something much more passive.
The Pistons had Scottie shook!!! He was very intimidated. To the point where he was almost a non factor. I’ll never forget the 1990 ECF. Game 7 vs the Pistons, and Scottie got some mysterious migraine and barely played. They could just key in on Jordan the whole game
If you dont know who "Grant" was on the Bulls, you just may be an NBA causual. Horace Grant was one of the key pieces to the Bulls' first 3-Peat. This was Grant's second year in the league, along with Pippen.
Michael Jordan averaged 30.0 points, 6.7 rebounds and 6.1 assists in 22 games versus the Pistons in the playoffs in his career ... against the best defense in the league focused solely on stopping him. And the Bulls didn't have a big number two scorer for most of this time.
Today's superstars would pass out if those madmen even stared at them. Rodman, Leimbeer and Mahorn and looked like Arkham Asylum inmates on venom plus joker gas. They were out for blood and they enjoyed all that. That era was gold damn it
It was the best basketball you can ever see, Jordan just was a cry baby he made the basketball soft. Now, no question he was the best shoe salesman of all time, We can agree on that now, can't we?
The only thing they did was pushed him to get bigger and stronger. He still averaged 37.5 against the Pistons during the Jordan Rules era and there were games where he GOT HOT.
Jordan fans don't like to hear it...... WHAT nah we all love to hear it, because it shows just how afraid they are of MJ and MJ alone, they weren't so ever afraid of the Bulls, only MJ. This just proves why he is the goat and why he also still averaged 30 against the wussy pistons. LOL I'm dieing 🤣🤣🤣
Back in the 80's Eastern Conference, teams had to pay their dues. The Celtics had to get past the Sixers, the Pistons had to get past the Celtics, then the Bulls a few times to get past the Pistons before going onto their first three-peat. Then MJ retired and the Knicks broke through for a couple years without him around (thought Scottie didn't need MJ???) but they couldn't win vs. Houston who repeated in the Finals until MJ returned and architected another three-peat for the Bulls. It was a very physical period in the NBA and took teams to alter their game to win (e.g., the Lakers in '84-'85 who became much more physical vs. the Celtics after getting beaten up in '83-'84).
there was a shaq rule. hack a shaq. put him on the line.. he was a liability late in games due to that.. The pistons tried that dirty stuff on Bird but bird ALWAYS knew how to inlvolve his teamates and new how to respond too..
Dude Pippen was not even the second best player on the bulls some seasons. In the 1992 season Horace Grant was better than him especially in the playoffs. And Pippen wasn’t even an all star in 2 of the 6 rings the Bulls won.
I am old enough to have seen it live. They were basicly trying to injure him. Some other player might would have given up. It was painful to see how they beat on him. But it only made him come back stronger the next year.
Ok bro here you go. I'm a lifetime MJ fan, but at the time pippen was showing growth but he wasn't ready for the NBA play just yet. Horace also was showing spurts of talent by neither one at Jordan speed. Bill Cartwright and Paxson were the only ones running the offense with Jordan. This was 90s NBA BALL! Defense had to be a flagrant to get called , and if you were a rookie or role dude, No Calls So I'm a Guy that knows BALL, you grow through adversity, bumps and bruises all that shit. Jordan wouldn't be who he became with out those Piston games. Jordan rules were in full effect. I love it. This nigga sneakers hotter than ever, and this dude fat and retired and he's being talked about in college courses. That's GOAT!
I find that crazy that these NBA players actually sound like they was mad that they changed the rules talking about. They made the rules change for Jordan. No they change it because y'all was out here. Almost about to kill people. A man falling out the air on top of somebody leg with his back. The leg is under the back. You can break his spine out of here man. Y'all need to cut it out. Y'all beat that boy half to death. Y'all just mad now you shouldn't be able to file somebody like that now. I can see if you jump and grab the ball or something but all that men people clipping them slamming them to the floor putting them in head locks. Nah man
Another thing that amazes me, is that the picture is so horrible. I can't believe we used to watch tv with such a horrible picture! But I remember how the technology in tv's advanced step by step. It's still happening lol
It's a known fact that the Bad Boys were the only team to contain MJ to a degree. I remember at the time the Pistons players been coy whenever they were asked about "The Jordan Rules" The Pistons physically intimidating style of play took every team out of their offense but with the Bulls that style of play was taken to a whole nother level just to contain Jordan, which worked until the Bulls figured out how to finally beat the Pistons & swept them out of the playoffs. Also MJ the only player to average 40 more than once in a playoff series, he did it 5X.
I think the bigger point of watching this is to understand the punishment of the game if you weren't around back then. Techs were almost unheard of, and FLAGRANTS didn't exist. In all of those fouls that you see when they clothesline MJ or when 2, 3, or 4 people send him to the floor hard and might end his career -- what do you think would be the call on that and the consequence? In those years it was a regular personal foul, so if they were under the limit there weren't even SHOTS given most of the time if he didn't get a shot off, it was just ball out on the side until the 90s. That's the "big change" they say that was made that "favored Jordan" was that they started implementing flagrants. But this wasn't something as simple as Jordan was a star and complained and so the league was changed to give MJ shots. That's not at all how it went down. By the 90s (and even prior to that) salaries were still low but starting to increase, but the NBA was finally exploding into an empire a la the fame of Magic, Bird, and now Jordan, but along with many other franchises growing and talks of league expansion going even further due to how well the NBA was doing. Nike and the NBA were becoming more worldwide -- not there yet but getting there and they were getting on the fringes of having the Dream Team. Some of the best players in the league had already been lost early to injury. The complaints about the dirty punches, elbows, clotheslines and leg sweeps that could be career ending vs the old school hard defense of the 80s -- it was kinda like the Pistons were ruining it for everyone. The Knicks, the Celtics, the Jazz, the Lakers, were just a few of the teams that had both players and ownership who had a real problem with the "bad boys"... but in reality every owner that had a star player that they didn't want injured out had a vested interest in changing the rules. The commissioner also had a vested interest in it. MJ had no idea any rules changes were ever coming which was why instead of banking on rules changes he did the ONE thing he resisted doing for several years -- he followed his trainers advice and packed on 30 lbs of muscle mass to go up harder against the punishment. This was rough on him because for an athlete like MJ he was afraid it could ruin his vert (and it did take some off) -- notice after 90, he can still dunk easily but his ups aren't quite as legendary and he certainly wasn't doing any dunk competitions. But he was committed to winning rather than solo. The triangle was important too, but he sacrificed what was his natural athleticism and body that today wouldn't be necessary, to be able to hulk through the Pistons. But sincerely keeping in mind what the rules were, that meant he could get hit like 25x by the starters hard without any real consequences before they implemented flagrants.
How many points did Jordan average after the Pistons figured out how to “contain” him? 🤔 Lebron’s flopping @zz would’ve crumbled under that kind of physicality.
6:30 - Why would I not want to hear that ? The fact that the Pistons had to go full cavemen on Jordan and use flagrants to *slow him*, not stop him, shows how unstoppable Jordan was. MJ still averaged over 30 in every series against them. Meanwhile Lebron goes in complete hysteria because he gets a slap on the wrist lmao...I've never heard of any Lebron rules by the way, which makes sense because the easy way to stop him is to let him brick shots on the perimeter since he shoots 35% outside 3ft...
Wasn't it the 2014 Finals when Popovich dared Bron to shoot from outside? He told perimeter defenders to allow him to shoot jumpers since he was atrocious from outside 3 ft. Can you imagine a coach trying that on MJ?
I really wish guys like Laimbeer would cut the bulljive w/ that "we got old/er" talk. Laimbeer was the oldest player on that Pistons team when the Bulls finally beat them, and he was like 32 yrs old at the time. All the other Pistons players were much younger than him, by at least 3-4 years. Besides, no one ever says that about the Bulls getting older in '97-98, when half that team were in their early to mid 30's. Also, I really think you should reevaluate that first Cavs team Lebron was on. Sure, none of those other guys were Hall of Fame caliber, but at least a couple of them were all-star level.
Laimbeer just doesn't have it in him to afford the Bulls any credit beyond a backhanded compliment. They will forever live rent free in his head in that way. But I will say it wasn't as simple as he was the oldest and the rest were young. Vinnie Johnson and James edwards were actually older than him among the regular contributors and Mahorn was in Philly by then. That said, you are absolutely correct that age was not really a factor for the Pistons. Rodman and Isiah weren't even 30, Dumars was MJ's age and Salley was younger....Mark Aguirre--the last big piece was only 31...and who cares about the rest of that bench they didn't use. The Pistons were definitely young. The 1998 bulls i think are still the oldest champions in league history. Oh and speaking of 2007....Lebron James best teammate was Ilgauskas...he has a career PER of 138....not too bad....Jordan's best teammate in terms of PER is obviously Scottie Pippen....who is..... 130th in career PER....Jordan's BEST teammate in his career was marginally better than James' best teammate on Lebron's worst finals team.... LOL But yeah, those Cavs were trash LUL (let's also ignore Lebron's teammates playing better than him in those finals unlike MJ's teammates in these Pistons battles).
There was a "Hack a Shaq",. This is where teams employ 3 centers (6 fouls x 3 = 18) who take turns hacking Shaq, especially in the 4th quarter... This is why Shaq needed a Penny Hardaway or a Kobe, just like Jordan needed a Pippen to win...
Scottie was a rookie in 1987 so was only 2 or 3 years young in the league when the Pistons won their back to back championships and were beating the Bulls
6:34 we we heard it. Looks at the JRules. They were simple. Maul the man. These losses where taken personal and MJ changed his game to WIN something lebeon has a hard time doing.
Shaq had a similar thing implemented against him called Hack a Shaq where teams would intentionally send him to the free throw line to slow his scoring down
@@carmcam1 true but let’s be honest teams got tired of Shaq bullying them down low with that backdown spinning elbow 2 hand jam too lol I always thought he’d fix his free throw once they kept doing it but nooot really
Or,look for new and better looking team, charm and sweet talk them so he can have all things his way, including having a commitment from them, in place, before packing his bags and walking out and dumping existing team, that has no idea that he's just about to f&CK them over.
There was 1 other rule passed the Jordan Rules era - It was the Shaq Rules. It was mainly called "Hack a Shaq". It was to hack him when it came to the 4th quarter b/c Shaq is not a good free throw shooter.
I think if Pippen didn't have that migrant in game 7 of 89 where he scored 2 points on 1 of 10 shooting while playing 42 minutes, the Bulls would have beat those Pistons. They were getting closer each year. MJ was his usual self scoring 31 points on 13 of 27 shooting with 8 reb and 9 assists.
So, what does "containing" Michael Jordan look like? 1988 series vs the Pistions 27.4 points on 49% shooting, 8.8 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 2.0 steals. The fact that this was considered "containing" Jordan says as much for his greatness as anything else.
Every time someone is good as him, he hate them. Stop him he hate him. Why do you think he got so much hate against isaiah, Because Isaiah and the pistons was the only ones that stop him. After The NBA broke up the core of the pistons By giving (mahorn) away they wasn't the same championship team. They took away Detroit spirit the same night of the championship. now Jordan, Can take over and make$$$$$$$$$$ because the pistons took out all of the powerful NBA, Money teams for the NBA . Teams who Detroit knock out for Chicago to win a championship . And the NBA can start making money again, LA, Boston Philadelphia all of the was $$$$$$ teams. Big cities with big markets, Detroit was not one of them. Why do you think LA Boston? And all of those always winning Championships, it's money.
Yes, that's how good he was that they had to come up with a rule, no other players then or now had to do that, plus Jordan ALWAYS adapts to whatever was thrown at him they only could pull the J rule that one time BUT!! Michale came back, they didn't know they help elevate Michael to the next level, WATCH what happen after he adapt..LOL!!!
Michael Jordan was a monster on the court. The Pistons figured out how to slow him down but you couldn't stop him. Years later he figure out how to get past the Pistons after that the entire league was in trouble and the championships started. Michael Jordan's nickname around the league was (Black Jesus). Michael Jordan was from another planet out of this world 🌎 the G.O.A.T.🐐🐐💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽🏀🏀🏀💯
MJ averaged 29.6 against the Pistons. They slowed him down by .2 points per game. He was still great against them. As a Bulls fan I hated the Pistons but as a basketball fan I loved the way they played.
It wasn't just the Detroit Pistons. EVERY single team MJ and the Bulls played against totally zeroed in on Michael. Every game, every night. Regular season, or playoffs. It didn't matter. If you stopped MJ, you won the game. Yet, Jordan thrived and still averaged 30.1 PPG with everyone and their barber coming after him. Nobody in the NBA faced the onslaught that Michael did while putting up the numbers. That's why he's the GOAT.
