LeBron James vs. Michael Jordan: Are we done debating? | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF 

I wish my wife defends me as much as Colin defends Lebron. 😂

"Why did you leave off 6-0" "Because it didnt fit the narrative" Facts

Lebron is like a Swiss Army knife. You can do a lot with it, but it’s not the best at anything. Jordan is like a katana sword, a fine piece of Japanese steel. Cuts through anything and does exactly what a sword is supposed to do. One is a killer and the other is just good at a lot of things.

Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time

I love how Colin bashes Westbrook's stats and then turns around and takes Lebron over Jordan exclusively because of his stats

i know MJ has a nasty taste in his mouth being compared to lebron who isnt even clutch

- "Jordan did not beat any team like GS" - "Yes but he beat anybody that was in his path"

6-0 to 3-6 I'm not a math teacher, but you do the math! Let's move on!

Stick Jordan at point guard and his numbers would match Lebrons. Jordan switched to point guard for 11 games when Paxson was out, 10 triple doubles for Jordan. He was a complete player. His role for the Bulls was to let Scottie be a facilitator. Jordan's role was to score and also be the Bulls main low post threat even though he was a SG. What they don't mention is Jordan defense, he was an ELITE defender. Add to that stone cold killer in the fourth quarter. GOAT

Michael Jordan has •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points lol •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Lebron had much more help •Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals.. Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ has more points in the playoffs in less games.. All of this accomplished in 13 seasons Lebron is in his 14th season still •Regular season and playoffs games combined shooting 60% scoring 30 points Lebron: 91times Mj: 137 times •Regular season and playoffs games combined shooting 60% scoring 40 points Lebron: 23 times Mj: 74 times •Regular season and playoffs games combined shooting 60% scoring 50 points Lebron: 3 times Mj: 19 times •Scoring 40 points in 9 straight games (86-87 season) •Single season scoring 40 points or more 37 times along with 8 50 point games and one 60 point game in the 86-87 season • Total points in a season 3,041 Lebron never has cracked 2,500 points in a season •Playoffs for career Mj: 33.4 Lebron: 28.5 Mj: 8 50 point games in playoffs Lebron: 0 Mj: 30 40 point games Lebron: 11 •NBA final averages: Lebron: 26.7PPG, 9.6RPG 7.1APG Mj: 33.6PPG, 6.0RPG, 6.0APG •The first player to lead the NBA in points and steals mj: 3 times Lebron: 0 •NBA Finals Record: Lebron: 3-5 Mj: 6-0 "Still chasing that ghost that played in Chicago. " I think Lebron lost this argument..... if not reply

It's just disrespectful to compare someone that is undefeated to someone that repeatedly loses. It doesn't even make sense 🤷🏽‍♂️

Michael Jordan was DOMINANT. He didn't let another player score 32 on him in the finals per game (KD), or his opponent get finals MVP (Kawhi), or 2 other players outplay him in the finals (Wade and Dirk) etc etc. As a matter of fact, other than his 95 rusty comback serious against Orlando, he never let a single player outshine him in a series. Here are a few of many stats to show you just how dominant he was - Michael Jordan has 5 of the 7 top playoff series scoring averages of all time and 6 of the top 10. Lebron doesn't have one in the top 10. Kobe doesn't. Wilt doesn't even have one. He averaged over 40 PPG in 5 different playoff series. That's insane. His top 6 playoff series averages are 45.2, 45, 43.7, 43., and 41 respectively, the last being in the finals. Michael Jordan was 2nd leading player all time in steals, DPOY award, 6th all time guard in rebounds (Saying LBJ is a better rebounder is ridiculous, he plays forward! of course he grabs more boards!). Highest scoring average, and postseason scoring averages of all time. Michael Jordan has more Post-Season Records than Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Kobe and Lebron Combined. Jordan holds a whopping 42 NBA Playoff Records. To put that in prospective, this is how he measures up to other All Time Players: Number of Playoff Records: Michael Jordan - 42 Bill Russell - 15 Wilt Chamberlain - 13 Lebron James - 6 Kareem Abdul Jabaar - 5 Kobe Bryant - 5 Jordan holds the Highest career PER average in NBA regular season, post season and NBA Finals history. Jordan holds the Highest career Efficiency rating average in NBA regular season, post season and NBA Finals history. Jordan holds the Highest career Gamescore average in NBA regular season, post season and NBA Finals history. Jordan holds the Highest career Winshares average in NBA regular season, post season and NBA Finals history. Jordan holds the Highest MVP shares average in NBA regular season, post season and NBA Finals history. Jordan is the only player to lead the league in Scoring and Win Defensive player of the Year a season. Jordan is the only player to Win a championship, scoring title and steals title in the same season.

so now triple doubles matter to colin now that it fits his narrative?

So when Westbrook gets a triple double its stat stuffing but when Lebron gets it, its amazing? That's a bs point.

the ultimate goal in basketball is scoring. You can have great stats showman on the court all night, but if you lose, that all means nothing because it never translated to goals to achieve a W. Michael Jordan is the most creative scorer and killer-player of all time. MJ dominated the league in his time with Ws.

MJ vs LeBron This is a silly debate. Clearly Michael is better. It's not even a close one. But let's go to the facts. Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer lol. •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Lebron had much more help •Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals.. Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games.. All of this accomplished in 13 seasons Lebron is in his 14th season still chasing the "ghost that played in Chicago" •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9% •MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year.. Seriously this list can keep going. This isn't even a debate. Mj is the GOAT. Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls: -10 STRAIGHT scoring titles, -Won Defensive Player of the Year, -9 times all defensive team, -9time All NBA, -5 league MVPs -6 finals MVPs LBJ missed the playoffs completely in his first 2 years. Jordan didnt with scrubs on his squad. Jordan played 82 games 9 times in his career once at 40. LBJ only played 82 games once. In 89 Jordan won the scoring title all star MVP slam dunk title regular season MVP and Defensive Player of The year something LBJ has never done. Jordan also averaged 41 pts a game for an entire Finals shootimg 50% and won. Something else LBJ never did. All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career... And before you criticize me for copy and pasting just know that it doesn’t matter if it’s copied or not, truth is truth. Check Mate.

how do you guys throw up a stat sheet like that and not include steals and blocks? everybody talks about Jordan's scoring, but he's also high on the all-time steals list, has won defensive player of the year before, and made the all defensive team I don't know how many times. He was a great scorer, a great defender, a great passer when he wanted to be, a great leader, and above all a great winner.

When Lebron lost to Dallas that debate ended I'm sorry. Mavericks had a 40 year old Jason kidd and a past his prime dirk nowitzki. Lebron bosh and wade were all in their athletic and lost to that team. Michael and Scottie would have destroyed Dallas..that series wouldn't go past 5 years

MJ is the Michael Jordan of basketball

Lebron is an awesome athlete. Jordan is the greatest of all time,Kobe 2nd then lebron.Forget stats,head to head jordan beats kobe and lebron.

If we're talking about individual players Jordan has WAY more achievements than Lebron scoring titles, defensive selections, DPOY 6 MVP

This isn't even a debate MJ is way better than Leflop James!

Compare Jordan with no one! Stop overlooking Kobe! Lebron is NOT better than Magic! At this point he's chasing the ghost of Shaquille O'Neal

Lebron ever lead his team to a 72-10 record the follow that with 69 win season? Jordan also had a 32 8 & 8 season... he's not just a scorer

Colin wants to bring up "TEAM" when talking about championships.. okay well the bulls team was built around JORDAN SCORING, why don't you bring that up? If Jordan averaged 10+ assists a season, they probably wouldn't win... because he wouldn't be shooting as much and trying to get others involved.. so LeBron has more rebounds then MJ.. Well if James had Rodman on his team too, those numbers will be down as well. It's funny how Colin leaves so much points out during his arguments.

What Jim Jackson is saying makes no sense. It has been 33 years since MJ came into the league, and he is still the bar in the NBA. 33 years from now we will still talk about MJ.

Since Colin wasn't fair about this, I will do the honors of showing you the rest of the stats. The FULL story. This is a stat comparison of each player in the post season... Michael Jordan - 33.4 PPG, 5.7 APG, 6.4 RPG, 2.1 SPG, 0.9 BPG, .487 FG%, .828 FT%, .332 3P% and 3.1 TOV LeBron James - 28.4 PPG, 6.9 APG, 8.9 RPG, 1.8 SPG, 1.0 BPG, .485 FG%, .742 FT%, .330 3P% and 3.6 TOV Michael Jordan - 9 out of 18 clutch shots made in the playoffs which is 50% LeBron James - 7 out of 16 clutch shots made in the playoffs which is 43.8% The league average for clutch shots in the playoffs is 27.8% Hey Colin, care to recant your story? How about using the important stats instead of double doubles and triple doubles? Michael Jordan wins 6-4 in these SIGNIFICANT categories and that's with LeBron having an edge in this soft stat stuffing era. It also led him to a 6-0 record in the finals with 6 MVP's to LeBron's 5-3 record in the finals with 3 MVP's. Who was WAY better?

LeBron quit with 4 minutes left in game four also.

Lebron doesn't even play in the 4th when it matters the most

LeBron fans like Colin and Nick Wright will tell you all day long why getting to the finals 7 straight years makes LeBron better than Jordan... but then once we get to the finals, all of a sudden winning doesn't matter anymore. These guys are like cartoon characters.

PLEASE DON;T INSULT MJ...LEBRON WHO????

Skill for skill MJ is better. This debate was over 10 years ago

Cowherd says "LeBron doesn't score as much because he is more efficient" but Jordan has a higher field goal percentage, 3 point percentage and Free throw percentage than LeBron. In the finals Jordan's field goal percentage was .481 v LeBron's .467, 3 point percentage - MJ .368 v LBJ .359 and Free Throw Percentage - MJ .806 v LBJ .726 Jordan scores 6 more points per game in the finals than LeBron because he was much more efficient than LeBron in every category. Cowherd says stupid things with absolutely no basis to them and he should be pulled up on it.

6 championship and 6 finals MVP's lol

Jordan tied an all-time defensive record once, with eight steals in a HALF! This is still an NBA record. In fact, Jordan is also tied for the all-time record of three times leading the NBA in steals. Scoring was obviously Jordan's stand-out skill (as was defense) and he still holds the all-time record for leading the NBA in total points scored 11 times! Additionally, it is also an all-time record that Jordan led the NBA in scoring 10 times. Also, an all-time record is Michael's career regular season scoring average of 30.12 points per game. He also holds the all-time playoff points per game record with 33.5!

Jordan holds the record for the most points in a three game playoff series with 135 (45.0 ppg). This record can never be broken since even first round series now go to seven games and not five like before. He made 53 shots from the field in that three game series-also a record. He also holds the record for most points in a five game series with 226 points vs Cleveland in 1988 (45.2 ppg). He holds an all-time playoff record for most field goals made in a six game series, and it was in the 1993 NBA Finals vs Phoenix. Jordan actually holds the record for most points ever scored in the playoffs period with 5,987 (record 33.5 ppg). MJ holds the all-time record with eight 50-plus point playoff games. He also holds the all-time playoff record for most 40-plus point games with 38 and he ALSO holds the all-time playoff record for the most 30-plus point playoff games with 109, and he ALSO holds the all-time playoff record of most ever 20-plus point playoff games with 173! He played in 179 career playoff games. In fact, another all-time record Jordan holds is another playoff record. He is the only player in NBA history to never once score under 15 points in any playoff game he ever played in. Talk about clutch. The record for the only player ever to score 50-plus points in back to back playoff games is Jordan with 50 then 55 vs. Cleveland in 1988. He also holds the record being the only player to ever score 45 points or more in three straight playoff games. In one playoff span Jordan set and still holds an all-time playoff record by scoring over 20 points 60 consecutive times! Also his 179 straight (all his playoff games ever) playoff games over 15 points is an all-time record. In fact, no one but Jordan has even scored 10 points in 179 straight playoff games, and he went for 15-plus every time. Jordan holds the all-time record by being the ONLY player in NBA history to never once score under 20 points in a Finals game! He played 35 Finals games, and 35 times over 20 points in the Finals is also a record. Jordan holds the all-time record for free throws made in the playoffs with 1,463. Jordan set and holds the all-time Finals record of 35 points in a half vs. Portland in 1992. He holds the all-time Finals record of 14 field goals in a half and he tied an all-time Finals record of six threes in a half in the 1992 game. So much for his sub-par three shooting when the guy holds an all-time record for threes. Jordan has the all time Finals record for free throws in a quarter with nine and he still holds the highest ever scoring average in a Finals series with 41.0 ppg in 1993. he also holds the all-time Finals six game record of 246 points and 101 field goals made. Jordan never had a Finals series go to seven games and he never lost in the Finals. Defensively Jordan set a Finals record vs LA in 1991 for 14 steals in a five game series. When Jordan was old and came back for the Wizards, he set records too! Jordan is the oldest player in NBA history to score over 50 points in a game when he scored 51 vs Charlotte at 38 years and 315 days old. MJ is also the only player in NBA history to score over 40 points at age 40, and he did it twice! Jordan recorded more 30 point per game plus seasons than any player ever with eight, and his seven consecutively is also a record (tied with Wilt). Jordan holds the all-time record for the most blocked shots ever by a guard with 893! His 131 blocks in a single 82 game season is the most ever recorded by a guard! Jordan also became the first player ever (only Olajuwon and Pippen also did it later) with 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season, and he did it twice-1988 and 1989. Jordan is the player with the most combinations of scoring titles and All-Defensive First team honors with nine! He's also the ONLY player to win the scoring title and the Defensive Player of the Year award in the same season. His 35.0 scoring average is the highest for any DPOY winner! Jordan won the NBA championship and the scoring title in the same season SIX times (Jabbar did it once), most by any player, and his 32.6 scoring average is the highest for any player in a championship season. Jordan is the only perimeter player in NBA history to average 30 points in a single season while shooting 50.0 percent from the field! and he did FIVE times! Jordan had a streak of 632 games without losing three straight games, most by any player! Jordan's combination of 10 scoring titles, five league MVPs, six Finals MVPs, 10 All-NBA First team honors and nine All-Defensive First team honor will NEVER be matched. Jordan's six Finals MVP's is an all-time record. Jordan was the main guy on the team with the greatest record ever with 72-10. Jordan was NBA and Finals MVP that year. The Bulls started the season 41-3 which is an all-time record. The Bulls road record that year is an all-time record with 33-8. Home=39-2. The Bulls set a record for the biggest Finals win ever by beating the Jazz by 42 points. Finally, the season after Jordan retired from the Bulls the league went on strike and the Bulls scored 81.9 points per game which is the all-time record lowest points ever by a team for a season. NBA fans, these are only some of the reasons why WE WILL NEVER FORGET MJ and NO ONE will ever pass him as the greatest ever. Don't hate on the greatest player ever in the NBA but embrace exactly how amazing the man was on the court! COMMENTS Mitchell, Jazz Rising to the Occasion

Colin Cowherd is putting numbers up that are misleading. First of all, Michael and LeBron didn't play in the same league at the same time. Those 27 points a game LeBron got were a whole lot easier to come by. Conversely, the 30+ points Jordan got, he had to take a more difficult path to getting them. Secondly, Dr. J said, in a recent interview with Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe, that although LeBron's 8 finals trips is impressive, Jordan would have a much easier time in today's NBA. He said that players used to get slammed when they tried to drive in the lane. Now, he said it would be a "cakewalk" for Michael Jordan. His words. This is not a minor issue, because if it really would be easier for Michael to score in today's NBA, then it would also be easier for him to pass out of the double team since the floor is spread out farther. And with today's deadlier 3 point shooters, his assists would go up, as well. Third, Michael is a better OFFENSIVE rebounder than LeBron. Nobody talks about this, but it is one of the reasons he is more productive on offense. He scores more in a league that was tougher on scorers. He is not afraid of the free throw line late in the game. He gets more points. He has less assists, but more offensive rebounds and more combined points when you add points and assists. Michael also has less turnovers. That is important, because the better you protect the ball, the more opportunities you have to score.

Protip: Magic is still better than him too.

Put defensive stats up and that will tell the tape

I genuinely can’t even believe there is a debate about this. Jordan ain’t just the best basketball player ever , he’s one of the greatest sportsmen of all time !

This graphic makes no sense. When Michael played the 4s and 5s got all the rebounds and the guards got the assists so obviously Michael won't have better stats. Stats also won't tell you that Michael was able to play through the flu when Lebron had to sit when he got too hot in San Antonio.

"Millennials" don't all worship LeBron. I was born 1985 and remember Jordan's second three peat very well. It really comes down to one question. If your life depended on one of these guys to make an important play at the end of a game, which one are you betting on? I'm taking Jordan every time.

I have to laugh at this stat hungry era. In football, you have guys like Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning who EASILY shattered the record books when it took forever for QB's like Dan Marino and Joe Montana to come along and set those standards. Does anyone ask themselves why? Most of these idiots will say it's because "WE HAVE EVOLVED"!!! What a joke. What about the fact that so many rules have changed to protect the QB's over the years that you can't even touch them now? The NFL has gotten soft and THAT is your answer. The same thing applies to the NBA. Once upon a time, rare talents would come along once in a generation like an Oscar Roberson, Dr J and Michael Jordan. Now there's Oscar Robertson's, Dr J's and Michael Jordan's all over the place. Gee, how weird huh? Again, these Y2K morons will say it's because we have evolved with modern medicine and training regiments. Although that does play a small role in it, the fact that the RULES HAVE CHANGED is the real reason. Just like with the NFL, the NBA has also become soft. No hand checking, a 3 second rule that keeps the big's away from the basket and ticky tack fouls that are being called all over the place. THAT'S WHY GUYS LIKE LEBRON, CURRY WESTBROOK, DURANT, HARDEN, ETC ARE ALL ABLE TO PUT UP MICHAEL JORDAN TYPE STATS OR EVEN BETTER. You have to spell it out for these idiots because they're clueless.

We been done debating. Lebron is not top 5. It should be Lebron vs Kobe. 1. Jordan 6 rings 6 Final MVP awards never lost in the NBA Finals or a game 7. 2. Magic 5 rings 3 Final MVP awards 3. Kareem 6 rings 2 Final MVP awards 6 MVPs and All time scoring leader. 4. Bill Russell 11 rings but played in the 60s and only average around 18 points for career. 5. Shaq 4 rings 3 Final MVP awards 6. Kobe 5 rings 2 Final MVP awards 7. Duncan 5 rings 3 Final MVP awards but 2 Bronze Medals 8. Lebron 3 rings 3 Final MVP awards but 2 Bronze Medals and 3-6 in the Finals 9. Bird 3 rings 2 Final MVP awards 10. Hakeem 2 rings 2 Final MVP awards 11. Wilt 2 rings 1 Final MVP awards

MJ retired came back and kept winning rings lol!!!! Lebron is good and one of the greatest athletes to play the game not the greatest player!!!! Lebron has played more years than Jordan and are just now breaking some of his records. Collin talking bout stats well let's talk scoring tittles, defensive player of the year, ppg avg through the season and playoffs. Plus his field goal percentage. Collin stick to baseball!!!

everyone says LeBron is more efficient but Jordan has a higher PER/VORP/BPM/Win Shares basically every advanced stat in the finals yet they never show those

Larry Bird>Lebron

The sweep ends this conversation.

Cowherd must hate MJ for some reason

I don't even consider LeBron better than Kobe.

When LeTrash didn't guard K.D. who I call the KING DESTORYER. He became worse than J.R. Smith. Now tell me I'm wrong. Dude let his fans down fo sure

When he tolf colin "thats a stat sheet!" I was dying lmaooo

This comparison is an absolute insult to MJ.

I been done. That debate should have never started in the first place.

MY GOODNESS COLIN STOP IT ALREADY!!!! You gettin served by these guys... Both analyst AND player 😂

This is absurd.. Jordan is infinitely better. Kobe is better. Magic is better.

people need to stop disrespecting my dallas mavericks championship. we swept kobe Bryant and the Lakers, who were defending champs at the time. then we destroyed the OKC thunder WITH harden, Westbrook, and Durant.

I like how they put up stats without context. Scoring 33.6 ppg in Jordans Era would be like scoring 45 in todays Era. Most of the games played during Jordans finals had teams scoring below 90 points. Some of those Bulls Utah Games did not even get into the 80s.

"James doesn't score as much because hes more efficient" Meanwhile in 2019 MJ All time leader in PER.

Sorry fellas that's clearly not the case. If the Warriors were better than what Jordan had faced. Then the Warriors would have beaten the Cleveland Cavaliers that year. Then the next year that LeBron would have beaten a team with an undefeated season then your argument would be valid. So Michael Jordan played teams that challenges him in finals. Michael Jordan just played better when it counts. And so did his teams. I want y'all media head's to understand that the only reason Jordan's teams were better was because they played in the frame of the team concep. That Michael Jordan, Phil Jackson, and the unselfish players that the Bull's acquired over the years gathered. And Jordan loved his team and players alike. He ask of them what he was willing to do and nothing more. And thry responded to that. They know what they was gonna to do every game. And steve Kerr taught that concept to the Warriors as well and Kevin Durant wanted to prove he could play with other players, and so did Steph Curry, and his team. They followed the Bull's blueprint to the letter. And only Michael Jordan was ask to carry the offensive load night end, night out. And Michael Jordan performed admirably throughout his entire career. Even when he wasn't in the best of shape. That this man has the heart bigger than any in basketball. How do you compare him to this person or persons like LeBron James. Let's make this clear. No one you mentioned comes close to his day in and day out high level performances.

Jordan would do whatever It takes to win, at times LeBron seemed like he'd rather get his teammates involved then do it himself

The rule changes today facilitate triple doubles and easier scoring. It made offense all around easier while making defense even harder. But nobody wants to talk about that. Let's just forget that defenders, particularly big men like Shaq, Mutumbo, Robinson, Ewing, etc, use to be able to camp in the lane on defense. Let's forget that habdchecking forced players to power around defenders or run off screens bc the defender could sometimes manhandle offensive players or at least slow them down pushing on their hip. Let's forget that 3pt shot fouls only resulted in 2 free throws back then. Let's forget that the game was once a man's game and a rough sport....technicals and ejections didn't occur simply bc you looked at someone sideways...etc. Theirs a reason your seeing triple doubles galore in today's game more so than ANY other time in history...not just from Lebron.

Whitlock killed the convo when he asked why you left 6-0 and 3-5 .... Lmao colin tried to go back to stats lol....

Who would I rather have to build a team around--Kobe or Lebron? You have to take Kobe. You got to. He's not going to run when it gets tough. He's not going to call up his buds and say "Hey guys, can I come play with you?" Kobe persevered through the good and the bad. Lebron's on his 3rd team, always running to a better situation. Kobe is going to have a statue outside the Staples Center. He's going to be standing there with Shaq, Magic, and Kareem. Is Lebron ever going to have a statue? Where? In Cleveland? Not after he left for greener pastures--twice. In Miami? Nope. In LA? Very, very doubtful.

Lebron only cares about his stats...he said it after game 4 of this year finals. MJ and Kobe the greatest I've ever seen.

There should be no comparison in terms of who's the GOAT. LEbron can claim he is the goat all the day long. Jordan never claimed himself as such. Watch jordan interview with ahmad rashad and hall of fame speech.

You never should’ve started the debate to begin with if you ask me..🤷🏽‍♂️

That argument about having too many gifts was spot on!

Jim Jackson is right. Twenty years from now millennials will be acting like Lebron is the greatest which is not true and unfair to Jordan. Try asking the people who actually saw both players play. Jordan was crowned the greatest even by people who saw Kareem, Magic, Bird, Wilt and Russell play which is saying something. If Lebron is crowned the greatest by people who never even watched Jordan it's a joke. No matter what though, Lebron will never be the universal greatest of all time like Jordan was for so many years and that right there shows he's not the greatest. With Jordan, practically everybody conceded he was greatest. That shows how truly great he is. With Lebron there has to be a debate and he's still losing it for the most part. If he had truly passed Jordan everybody would know it.

should have never been debated in the first place, Lebron needs to get past Magic, Kareem, etc first.

I can't help but notice how close together they are to each other.

It's a combination of heart, state of mind and abilities. If u look at era/culture and player/person and and do a crossover with the three with era and player/person. U will then understand the type of player/person they are and is capable of

Cowherd trying really hard to keep LeBron's name in the running for GOAT is sad.

Let's disregard Finals record here because it's better to make the finals than miss it. Jordan still wins in that case as of now because he's got 6 rings and 6 Finals MVPs.

I thought this was this year:-)...remarkable

33.6 vs 27.7 scores a little bit more? Thats 5.9 points more! A little bit? Scoring is the most important thing you do. sometimes you pass the ball, and your teamate scores a jumpshot under defense, actually the passer has very little contribution. Defensive rebound is also sometimes uncontested, you just picked the ball sometimes. And lebron has less offensive rebound than M.J.......

Did anybody notice that lebron was still trying to score when the game was over?, this is what he does, he's a stat padder.

3-5 end of discussion.

The best way to measure a player is by how much they increase their team's chances of winning. Which is why win shares and PER are better stats than points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals.

Yes we're done. MJ > LeBron

stats do lie, when you omit other relevant stats to build up your argument. That graphic was so in favor of Lebron.

There's obviously a flaw in the way LeBron builds his team... "never gets enough form his teammates" MJ didn't have better teammates, that's a lie, but the way his teams played seems to have made his teammates better than LBJ can. The Bulls were a super defensive team, so they didnt need to score 110+ points to win a game and MJ's PPG avergage would GET IT DONE.... For LBJ's Cavs or the Heat, they need to score a lot to win beacuse they didn't defend so well.. IMO he needs to change his way and find a succesful method to win finals. That's it.

This debate! is just like you drink 3 in 1 coffee..deyymmm! it taste good! 😂

1:06 you CANT compare different positions....look at jordan stats when they tried to play him as as a PG....triple double every game...and another era...in the 90s games would end with 80 points...thats today in the 3rd quarter and still Jordan put up 33+ ppg

bird is better than James

ITS OVER!!

I love it how people compare eras without being holistic. You can't factor how great a players long range is today and how he would then dominate in the 80's because if he was playing in the 80's a 3 point shot would likely not be a part of his game because of the era. Anyone who thinks that if Mj was born to today's era that he wouldn't be a better 3 pt shooter is crazy!

That argument at the end about too many gifts is so true! I always thought that about lebron. I think basketball is all about playing your position ! Not doing a Westbrook 😂

When LeBron lost his 1st Finals the conversation was over!

way easier to score in the nba today...

GREAT JOB COLiN !!!!

Magic Johnson proclaimed Larry Bird the GOAT and I doubt he would switch to Lebron. Larry made role players into superstars around him, unlike today's selfish players who turn superstars into role players.

He's not even better then Kobe

THANK YOU, Whitlock just said the smartest thing ever. Yes across the stat sheet LeBron looks great but he's doing so much it hurts his team, no one is asking him to hold the ball so much and get so many points and assists. Jordan was a scorer and a better defender than LeBron, he was going to take things into his own hands and that's why he's better.

Please stop bringing up the “LeBron beat Golden State in the finals” when we all know it took the the perfect storm cloud over the GSW of an injured Andrew Bogut, and injured Iguadola, and a less that 100 percent Steph and a suspension of Draymond Green going into game 5 that would’ve close out the series 4-1, for the LeBron to win the chip! The mfs almost got sweep by the same team who lost 9 more game in the regular season with KD then the season before they got him! LBJ got out scored in the 4th quarter throughout the finals by KD! FOH Man!

This just prove to me in life people only love a winner 💯

LeFlop flops, LeBrick bricks, LeRoid juices PEDs, plus he moans and complains all the time, takes entire games and plays off, plays in a soft era, below average defender, below average free throw shooter, and awful 4 turnovers per game average this year --this guy isn't even in the top ten all time I'm sorry.. MJ didn't do any of the stuff LBJ gets away wit. MJ GOAT , next Magic Bird Olajuwon Kareem Wilt Duncan Shaq Kobe Moses Malone , Lebron outside top ten looking in..

Lebron's stats are inflated because the pace of the game is a lot higher than in MJs era, stats don't always tell the full story.

LeBron James has many second place and Michael Jordan has many first place in the finals... so what's the issue?