I appreciate this mans intelligence, he is very thorough in his investigation. To change from a staunch unbeliever, to a person who has looked at all reasons to disprove this case, then becomes a believer, well said. FACTS ARE FACTS, no matter if you believe or not.
If only he had presented facts, then we might get somewhere. He's using the stories in the bible as evidence for... the stories in the bible. It's so obviously circular that it's hard to even comment on without sounding condescending. An empty tomb? Yes we get that the story says the tomb was empty... so what? In the Harry Potter books there were many eye witnesses to the Dark Mark being in the sky during the attack on after the Quiddich tournament game. Does that mean it actually happened? Of course not... It's a story... in a book... Lee is having trouble separating fact from fiction.
You've obviously never read his book. It is, at best, pathetic excuse for journalism, at worst a self-serving ploy to make money off of people like you who believe the lies he invents to try and justify his faulty logic.
Because their heart is hardened by sin, and the evil one has blinded the eyes of the unbelieving, so that they should not know God. God is real and He is wonderful.
Jessica Rodriguez okay then obviously your god can reveal himself to someone without that individual losing their free will. Which brings me back to the original question, why doesn't your god himself to everyone?
Jessica Rodriguez let me explain a bit more. Let's assume for a moment that your god is real and wants people to know he is real. The best way to do that would be to introduce himself to people on an individual level. You said that he can't do that because it would take away our free will, but that can't be true since you also think that Satan has free will even after your god revealed himself to Satan. Satan was still free to disagree and rebel against your god even though Satan was 100% certain that your god was real. So... Why are we not all 100% certain that your god is real? He could appear to me this instant and clear up the confusion about his existence if he was real. If he's not real then it would make perfect sense why he does not appear to me.
Incredible is to still find people who not believe and treasure these truths. But... “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” 🙌
It is sad that more Atheists can't give up their pride and go through a similar journey of honest seeking and humble surrender to the truth!! Lee Strobel is a true testament to the transforming power of the Gospel! Praise Jesus!!!
The God of monotheism is clearly an atheist highlighted by the the 10 simple rules which just so happens to declare Jesus as a heretic at number 2. (You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. -there is no exclusion there) Nobody even went by that name, this is the first crumbling of your truth. Yeshua Ben Pantera was a priest born out of wedlock because his mother fell in love with the a roman solider named Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera of Sidon, Pheonicia. Later sent to nowadays Germany for the remainder of his years. Bottom line Yeshua was a jew, so upon request with the jews to explain themselves, it turns out they dont even title him as a messiah/prophet because they had Malachi, promoting peaceful outcomes while Yeshua basically promoted war to end all wars in the form of an apocalypse. The end game goal or grand design plan of jesus is the apocalypse, ya may aswell just call for a nuclear holocaust while bowing and worshipping from your idol, at which you were warned directly! by your figurehead during the first encounter with suchness. The house of christos is the most degenerate house in all of judea, the funniest thing about it all, nobody needs a high I.Q to see that disastrous functional value. As for secrets and truth; you cannot hide anything from society, eventually someone will always see past your Clark Kent glasses. Whats more troubling about the myth, the fact that jesus never asked you if it was ok for him to die for your fathers sins, or thats ok to turn your world upsidedown through a colossal war seeing billions dead. I gotta say, these arnt the actions of greatness, godliness or efforts toward self progression for the current collective. But like i said, directly from the source; You shall have no other Gods but me.You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. Bye bye jesus, hello atheist God. As far as i can tell, Jesus claimed he was a God, failed the test, at which point his friends tried to cover up the failure utilizing pure unadulterated metaphysics stolen from Platonism. (propaganda) But hey.. what do i know, im just sad atheist, full of pride, unable to humbly surrender probably due to my Spartan knees. Still better than trusting a 2000 year old story of 2nd comings and hammurabi code laws bastardized into batshit fuckery as it sits in direct conflict with the first encounter through such contact, amid the doom of the end of the world. Indians walk across sand-bars all the time, an aryan-phoenician does it for the fist time and somehow thats a miracle? Dont waste my time.
I absolutely love this guy! The movie and book are awesome. I pray for my husband, he was just diagnosed with throat cancer. He believes, but doesn't read the bible, curses, and won't go to church.
I thought belief was all that mattered? John 3:16 and all. Course I’m an atheist and all, so I don’t believe this stuff, but I’m just saying. If God condemned everyone who cursed or didn’t go to church (which many Christians don’t do), there’d be nobody in heaven
@@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820 I didn't believe for 37 years never heard the Gospel of Christ, went on a persuit for TRUTH, last bloke on earth who would believe this rubbish religious rubbish.... Then had an encounter with Jesus and learnt very quickly that religious people hated Jesus he is who he said he is.. I don't force Jesus on anyone but it is and was the most powerful the most perfect, most beautiful thing by a mile when The Holy Spirit filled me from Heaven. All Glory to Jesus Christ he loves you and wants you to know him personally but will never force anyone as love can not be forced. Free will Choose life Jesus said I am the way the Truth and The Life. God incarnate he loves you Billy and knows every thing you have ever done, he wants to give you supernatural peace that surpasses all understanding. I hope you experience more than I have in 4 years walking with Jesus it's mind blowing. He's the creator of the universe and his presence is life changing 🙏 May God bless you and show you he is real
The thing that I like about Lee, is his honesty, if a person can begin, with honesty that is the perfect starting point, if you are honest in your seeking and honest with yourself you will find, simply. If you hold on to what your professor told you or your father, then you will not find. Try very hard to go in without bias, it is hard, but try. If you can great but try and you will find the truth. Jesus was raised, he is Lord.
Lee Strobel is a lot of things, but he's definitely not honest. When he describes why he used to be an atheist, he says things that no atheist or ex-atheist would ever say. On the contrary, he says things that Christians would like to believe about atheism. There are plenty of other completely biased arguments in the Case for Christ, but on those I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he's just ignorant of his own wishful thinking and not actually deliberately dishonest. But his claims about his life as an atheist? Yeah, those are downright dishonest.
WreckNRepeat I found Lee to be forthright. I did not know him as an atheist. So that would be dishonest of me to say for sure what I think he thought. But you obviously knew him and formed your opinion. Right.
Eric Day Of course I didn't know him personally, but as an atheist, I can say with almost absolute certainty that Strobel either was never an atheist, or he's being dishonest about his motivations for being an atheist. In his book, he lists the four reasons that he was an atheist, and they're things that no atheist or ex-atheist would ever say.
WreckNRepeat So in all due respect I should consider your opinion as one that is biased. And you know the thought of every atheist . I say biased because like me you didnt know him but because he is no longer thinking as you do he is dishonest. That is not fair.
Eric Day That's not at all what I'm saying. There are honest people who used to be atheists but have since become Christians. There are honest people who used to agree with me but don't anymore. Lee Strobel just isn't one of them. For instance, in his book, he says that he was an atheist partially because he thought that evolution sufficiently explained the origin of life. No atheists thinks that. If he had been an atheist, he would have known that evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life. Either he's lying about having been an atheist, or he's lying about what he believed when he was an atheist. I suppose he could just be an idiot who honestly had no idea what evolution was, but based on his other three reasons for atheism, I'm inclined to believe that he's actually a liar. I can't definitively prove that he's a liar and not an honest idiot, but my reasons for believing so are not based on personal bias.
Off course he does I have just had a huge Revelation today that proves Gods existence is undeniable he protects those we love through dedicated and unwaivering Faith and prayer and OK it was a small piece of evidence but it was big enough for me. There is a God!
Brothers and sisters, please, even if there's people who spit on our beliefs. We must not act with anger and hatred towards them. They are still humans, and they all deserve love and kindness. That's the whole idea of what we have been taught. We must be expanders of love, not anger and disrespect. And to all of you who are trading this, but don't believe un God, I love you and He loves you. Have a very nice day! :D
@@stewiegriffin1723 everything God does is exactly as it should be.evil people turn from him and commit horrible evils and they experience his wrath. He gives us the choice to follow or obey him.sadly many choose to go astray. I see this type of thing everyday and it is normal to question these things. But remember God is not a human.he is beyond our comprehension. He is perfectly just.his love is infinite and so is his wrath.that's why we need messiah Yeshua.Yeshua saves us from the wrath by taking the punishment of our sins.Yeshua loves you
I heard this guys speak a while ago and he was great. At SCHOOL I heard an argument about why people dont easily discredit Jesus. It holds a lot of truth and the information we used came from sources other than the Bible. I dont go to a Christian school so seeing that taught to me showed that it is more possible to prove this than disprove it. Many counter arguments to christianity can quickly be disputed. BTW when I mention christianity I am talking about Jesus dying and coming back to life.
+Jairus Kent Jesus dying and coming back to life doesn't mean shit! I can't stress it enough. It Means Nothing! This is so stupid no wonder Christians think it is gold! it is an absolute Turd!
Occult Think Tank Let me explain. Prophecies sadi everything jesus would do and he fullfilled them. He said he would die and come back from the dead in 3 days and he did. Someone doesnt die, get burried in a tomb, and then miraculously come back unless they are the son of god or an illusionist, but jesus couldnt have been an illusionist. What do you not understand?
Jairus Kent *"Prophecies sadi everything jesus would do and he fullfilled them."* ROFLMAO! Not even Once! The Messiah was to *End All War!* Isaiah 2:4 *And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.* Obviously Jesus didn't do that! So that alone Proves He isn't the Messiah! *"He said he would die and come back from the dead in 3 days and he did."* LMFAO! So What! That was *NOT* a Criteria for Messiah! In Fact *IT IS WRITTEN!* *And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:* *His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.* Deuteronomy 21:22 - 23! NOTE Moron *(for he that is hanged is accursed of God;)* Plus *No One Can Pay for the Sins of Another!* Deuteronomy 24:16 *The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.* Psalms 49:7 *None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him* This one is really Huge as it completely Debunks Matthew 20:28 & Mark 10:45 *Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.* Absolute BULLSHIT! I know Christians are STUPID so here it is Again! Psalms 49:7 *None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him* *"then miraculously come back unless they are the son of god or an illusionist,"* LMFAO! No Stupid Jesus said Those that Believe on him *SHALL DO HIS WORKS!* John 14:12 *Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.* Plus there are *LOTS* of sons of God in the bible! Genesis 6:2, 6:4, Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7 Daniel 3:25 None of whom are Jesus! *"What do you not understand?"* That would be your inability to *READ* is what I don't understand. For Fucks Sake Moron Exodus 12:1 - 14 *THE PASSOVER* was Never about Sin or Forgiveness! It was about the God *NOT MURDERING BABIES!* Seriously, Think of how our society would be if the Christian ideas were made into how our courts worked! Someone go to court for Murder, Rape, Child Molesting, etc all they'd have to say is *I Believe Jesus Died for Me!* Then the Judge say *OK YOU ARE FREE TO GO!* What would that do to our society? Can you answer that?
I've read some of the comments of people that seem upset about or maybe just have questions about his tactics. I thought I'd write down a few of my observations from the presentation to maybe help out. I know it's not sitting well with some that he used the Bible. I think it's important to remember that he mentioned in the beginning of the video that he felt compelled to use the Bible as historical documents, NOT as inspired by God, because he did not believe it to be the word of God. He was then able to find other evidence outside of the Bible that backed up the claims the Bible made, including the existence of Jesus. He said that is an indisputable fact across the scholarly field (and then he gave sources to back it up, not just ancient sources.) He also used modern day techniques in his research, not to prove anything but to actually disprove; such as the psychiatrist who explained hallucinations. He did not mention if the doctor was Christian or not, so we cannot assume bias; only that the doctor helped point out some facts. Also I think it's important to point out that he wasn't a Christian until after he sat down to analyze and assess the information he gathered until the very end. He still claimed to be Atheist up until the point he laid out the evidence and summarized it. Just a few things to keep in mind while sifting through what he said.
Katey Till And in reality he only interviewed Christian Apologists and uncritically accepted every word they tell him without even talking to actual historians with a different view.😂
I thank God for Lee Strobel and his ministry. God has used him to accomplish great things. His books have been a tremendous source of blessing that have led unbelievers to Christ and strengthened Christians in the faith. You are the modern day Josh McDowell.
That's correct. The Bible is the foundation for everything. It's historicity is attested by countless scholars worldwide, including atheist scholars. It is a message from outside space-time and therefore objective. I understand you are accusing him of circular reasoning, which is rich coming from the atheist camp, who've been trying to convince us for years that something came from nothing. Atheists, predictably and consistently, unwittingly use biblical morality to argue against the Bible. Oh the irony. It's like breathing air while arguing against the existence of air. Try again bro.
look. i can already tell your not well educated because you use the bogus "atheists believe everything came from nothing" chessnut. all that tells me is that you have no fucking idea exactly what the big bang theory is. Also you say "biblical morality" as if all laws for everywhere came from the bible, which makes me laugh my ass off. no they didnt. places had laws for a long ass time, most of them were the same actually. dont steal, murder. simple shit like that, really. so please continue to spew out shit like a broken sewage pipe in the vain attempt to try and prove your bible correct.
@ WreckNRepeat: "the Bible is a work of fiction written and inspired by men." Only in your particular multiverse. Not in mine. Don't argue with a solipsist.
Amen! The deeper the look, the more you will cut through the lies and get to the truth. Unfortunately, journalism now is a complete partisan joke, and guys like Lee are hard to find.
I loved the movie awesome and the Lord used your entire life and your investigating genius to this non believing generation. Growing up in my time night and day difference on faith but now people are totally clueless and some believe He was made up. It infuriates me! God bless you!
All the Atheists who are trying to debunk this video in the comments are all talking about the same first couple of minutes of this video. Did ANY of you actually watch the whole thing AND pay attention?
"Make an attempt or effort to do something." That's the definition I'm using in that context. If you need a synonym, I'd say "attempting" would be the most accurate fit.
Soulariax Yes, by doing so you implied that Strobel has NOT been debunked, when, in fact, he has. There are so many decent apologists out there, but Strobel is not one of them.
+ElleD Unfortunately, that's hardly evidence. 2000 years isn't forever. Not to mention the fact that the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Illiad haven't changed in 4000 years and 3000 years respectively. These stories haven't changed or faded away either. Does that give them credence?
+MC473428 never heard of those so i have no idea who you are talking about. i can tell you God has worked some amazing and miraculous things in my life that made me a believer 100%. a few witnessed some things here and there but there is really never enough evidence for a non-believer until something happens that impacts them
Your cursing is evidence of the sinful nature. God isn't going way and Christians aren't going away because it upsets you and so you decide to use harsh language to berate everybody. The joy you get from cursing is short-lived and empty. The joy in Christ is eternal. You can never find eternal life and peace by following after sinful fulfillment. Peace to you and may God, the Lord Jesus, have mercy and open your eyes to the truth. God bless.
HisRedeemed Hey gomer, hell and ass are in the bible! And if 'fuck' had been around in ancient times, Jesus would've thrown a few in from time to time.....particularly when talking about Mary Magdalene!
I have a simple question for those who find fault with this presentation, put this presentation aside and explain to me how could 11 men who ran in fear for their very lives after the Crucifixion of Jesus would become so brave in their beliefs that they were willing to die for these beliefs if this was pure fiction and since we weren't there to prove this how can we disprove it.There are atheist who believe in the big bang theory even though they can't prove this but since they can't prove Jesus and his resurrection then this they don't believe, I don't understand this way of thinking. Blessed are those who have not seen but believe amen.
Chill man ! Why are you so resentful? Again you’re using the word “everybody”. Do you represent others as well? How is that possible ? It would rather be appropriate if you talk for yourself! I have nothing against you, I can understand why you’re saying that. I once stood in your place and I know it very well ! 🙂
Wow! I have a question for all the non-believers and atheist leaving comments about this video. If you are so convinced that Jesus isn't real....why are you all on RU-vid watching these videos in the first place? Pro. 1:21 - How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? Don't you understand....there is NO absolute PROOF. God requires believers to have faith. And once this faith is evident to the Him, then HE gives you all the proof you will ever need. It's indescribably awesome!!!!!!
*"God requires believers to have faith."* Why? Is he stupid and wants to surround himself with people that are even more stupid? Faith is pretending to know what you in fact do not know. How is that not stupid? *"once this faith is evident to the Him,..."* In other words once you have committed this auto-lobotomy you'll feel blissful all over?
Vincent Fabro cause a lot of us are still open to new ideas and searching for real discussions with differing beliefs. however most of us, im sure are sorely disappointed by this.
Christianity is toxic to society, and if it's to ever go away, atheists like myself need to have discussions with Christians. Comment sections under videos like this are convenient places to have such discussions. So that's why I'm watching videos like this in the first place. As for your next point, the "proof" that god has given you is all in your head. People perceive connections, patterns, and meaning where there is none. They've done this in every culture throughout all of human history. I don't know what "proof" you believe god has shown you, but I'm guessing it's not the kind of proof that would convince a genuine skeptic.
One of the interesting things in the comments, and common across most of them, is that quite simply, people don't want to believe. Nothing else to explain. For anyone generally interested and willing to listen to the empirical evidence, they will quickly realize (as so many brilliant minds in the past) how it's all true. For the rest, you simply don't want to believe. And for that God withholds the gift of salvation from you and gives you over to whatever you want to believe. Actually I'd like to be even more specific. Jesus said "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day." If you don't know Christ personally, it's He hasn't drawn you. Personally that would scare the living crap out of me if I knew that God wasn't having anything to do with me because my heart was hardened.
"The gift of salvation." It isn't a gift if it's offered with conditions. "Accept this gift or" Jesus will " punish you with "everlasting fire" (Thessalonians 1.8.).
You state: Choose this or suffer. The bible says: You're going to suffer, please choose this. - One of these things is not like the other. (gen 1.1 - rev 22.21)
Please... the evidence in the Case for Christ is some of the weakest evidence I've ever seen. Every bit of it requires the reader to gloss over certain details and make huge logical leaps. Quite frankly, the only reason people do find this evidence compelling is because they want to believe it. They've given in to wishful thinking and confirmation bias.
Ian Strange um think about it as sin being a cancer and salvation is the cure see we are dying from sin and we will die if we do not accept the cure. God is trying to show you hey I got it I died so that you may have this cure take it or you shall surely perish because of your sin. See We throw ourselves in hell when we decide not to take that cure because that is our death and heaven is our life. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only begotten son(Jesus dying so that his blood could be the cure) that whoever believes in him(whoever takes this cure doesn't matter what you've done in the past) shall not perish(shall not die) but have eternal life .(heaven or will live forever without the taint of sin)
The late jurisprudential prodigy and international statesman Sir Lionel Luckhoo (of The Guinness Book of World Records fame for his unprecedented 245 consecutive defense murder trial acquittals) epitomized Christian enthusiasm and confidence in the strength of the case for the resurrection when he wrote, “I have spent more than 42 years as a defense trial lawyer appearing in many parts of the world and am still in active practice. I have been fortunate to secure a number of successes in jury trials and I say unequivocally the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.”
If you actually looked at the evidence, you'd see that it's not nearly as overwhelming or compelling as he makes it out to be. You're also assuming that this guy is trustworthy. Given that he defends people who are charged with murder, I'd say that's a rather dubious assumption.
WreckNRepeat Your saying that his research institute trustworthy because, he defends people charged with crimes. If so I reject that premise on the grounds that defending those who are *charged* with a crime hardly demonstrates bad character. I suggested that his experience with evaluating evidence and conclusion gave him credentials. But if that's not interesting for you perhaps you should listen to another atheists turned skeptic named J Warner Wallace. He is a cold case detective.
Darrell B I didn't say that he isn't trustworthy. I said that the assumption that he is trustworthy is a dubious one. He might be trustworthy, or he might not be. We don't know. And even if he does have a trustworthy character, it doesn't change the fact that the evidence is clearly neither overwhelming nor compelling. There are plenty of intelligent Christians, and there are plenty of intelligent atheists. I already know that. So naming a few intelligent Christians isn't going to change my mind. The only thing that will change my mind is actual evidence. Do you have any?
WreckNRepeat Well Sean McDowell has a presentation on the reliability of Scripture and I haven't finished taking notes yet so i couldn't quite explain it to detail but you might be interested. David C. Pack has created videos regarding the existence of God. I'm still working on the breakdown for that to though and he talks a mile a minute. I m only on video 3. Sorry not to have anything in hand but those are my suggestions.
Lee was a beautiful story of how Yahweh Yahshua loves us all enough to follow thru to the FINISH and never letting you go to show the world the truth. saw the movie tonight and crying with eminence Joy
Your testimony was crucial in my conversion. I love data and physical evidence. Although the resurrection occured during the Spring Biblical Feasts: Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits.
@@dctrbrass But you know that Strobel already was a Christian for 10 years when those interviews happened, right? He only pretends to be skeptical and exclusively interviews religious fundamentalists who hold a fringe position among scholars.😂
For me, it took awhile to understand I am loved so much, that the undeserved, unmerited grace makes, faith takes, was exactly why we named our daughter 'Grace' nearly three decades back. To understand that my spirit is perfect, my soul can be renewed daily, as I became a new creature as a born again. All provisions have made readily available. Jesus took the nails, and imagine his body took on every sin, disease,....I mean, wow! "I and the Father are one." "It is Finished" reminds me "All Things Are Possible" because of the resurrection of God made man to Die and rose for us. Lastly, what if? What if this was all true? What if? Are you willing to maintain your self righteous ways? Or, learn about the righteousness of God. Love covers all. Today I am called to be dripping with love. What an honor to be on that path that was laid out 2000 years ago. Let's Go! 2018 is all about influence to destination. Good night and best of many years to arrive you blessed, healthy, renewed and prosperous by his unmerited, undeserved grace grace.
Creations the concept of the holy trinity was stolen from the first trinity in Egypt. The Catholic Church replaces the woman with a ghost. It really doesn’t matter because it’s all mythical anyway.
Creations life is not a gamble either you know or you don’t. I found out that the powers that be have lied about everything, to include the invention of religion.
Don't be judged for your sins! Don't die in your sins! Embrace Christ as Savior to absorb your sin! Only perfection will get you to Heaven on your own.
RL I believe and practice GOOD. Your god visually, factually, literally, meaningfully, even alphabetically, by definition, falls short in every and all ways. Provide evidence to the contrary.
Good interpretation, Lee... Gerd Lüdemann (born 5 July 1946 in Visselhövede, Lower Saxony), is a German New Testament scholar. He taught this subject from 1983 to 1999 at the Faculty of Theology of the University of Göttingen. Since 1999 he has taught there with a special status as Chair of History and Literature of Early Christianity. He is married with four children and seven grandchildren. After periods of teaching and research at McMaster University (1977-79) and Vanderbilt University (1979-82), he was appointed in 1983 to the Chair in New Testament Studies in the Theological Faculty of the University of Göttingen. Following a series of historically critical publications culminating in the publication of his book Der große Betrug: Und was Jesus wirklich sagte und tat (The Great Deception: And What Jesus Really Said and Did) in 1999, in which he argued that only about five per cent of the sayings attributed to Jesus are genuine and the historical evidence does not support the claims of traditional Christianity, the Confederation of Protestant Churches in Lower Saxony called for his dismissal from the Chair of New Testament Studies. Lüdemann stated that his studies convinced him that his previous Christian faith, based as it was on Biblical Studies, had become impossible: 'the person of Jesus himself becomes insufficient as a foundation of faith once most of the New Testament statements about him have proved to be later interpretations by the community'.[1]
"The moment we want to believe something, we suddenly see all the arguments for it, and become blind to the arguments against it." - George Bernard Shaw
@@notablewon Well, that's why I said 'probably'. But you really think someone who has done his research hasn't come across the contrary arguments? Come on, David Johnson, think with good judgement! What do they say about assuming, anyway?
Look it's black and white. He said I am the way the truth in the life. No one comes to the father but through me. He is lying or he's not. If he is lying you die and you rot and maggots eat you. If he is telling the truth Everything is true you will face judgement for the wrong you have committed. You will be stripped of all the good and lovely in your life when you are cast into hell. You will endure unimaginable pain and suffering for all eternity. The fact of the matter is when you die. SOMEONE WILL BE WRONG AND SOMEONE WILL BE RIGHT. But know if you are wrong God took your punishment. And you rejected his sacrifice.
+HM4T4 Oh yeah, I'm sure you were an "atheist" in the same way that Lee Strobel was an "atheist." Christians love telling people that they used to be atheists. Some are telling the truth, obviously, but most are just lying. I can't know for certain whether or not you're being honest, but the claim that you were converted by William Lane Craig makes me somewhat inclined to believe that you were never really an atheist.
***** I'm not gonna touch on the merits of atheism over Christianity. At least not yet. First, I want to try to assess whether or not you were actually an atheist. I realize that I may not be able to make such an assessment, but I would at least like to try. Can you tell me why you were an atheist?
Ironically, the atheists that attack Lee Strobel only have circular reasoning to support their claims. I have seen Lee Strobel and William Lane Craig debate world famous atheists and the outcome is so tilted in Christianity's favor it's crazy. The good news is Strobel and Craig show incredible grace to the atheist. Something most atheists who post are remiss to show in kind.
+EPIC Global Missions Debates don't determine "truth". And just as many atheists have done the same to Christian apologists. Mythology will always stand on blind belief rather than provable facts.
ugh...this video and comment section are proof that even though it seems like we're making progress, that progress has its limits...the fact is, there are millions upon millions of people who want so badly for these things to be real, they'll accept any "evidence" you give them that reinforces their belief system, no matter how flawed
The proof is there. The evidence is there. Now the question is do you want to be a child of the Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace who created YOU and everything you have. Or do you want to be a child of Satan aka The father of this sinful world which ultimately leads to death. Your pick. You get to decide.
Confirmation bias....Someone has been told their whole life that Jesus rose from the dead, later they learn some critical thinking skills and start to doubt a little, then a guy comes along and says, "The resurrection is real because the Bible says it's real!" and they say, "See! Everything I learned as a child has been confirmed!"
VCR Time Machine well he did studying as an atheist, he didn’t just say it was real. Watch the video before speaking, that’s the problem with y’all atheists. You guys dont look both sides you just speak from a bias perspective
Uchiha Dagger Dick Atheists and agnostics are probably some of the least conformation bias driven people on the planet when it comes to these issues. The fact is, we don’t have any stakes in them, spiritually. I’ve studied Islam and ancient eastern religions...grew up in a catholic school. That’s the thing about being exposed to many different belief systems...you start to realize your religion is completely accident of birth for a vast majority of the planet. That metric ALONE should tell you something...
manifestgtr be honest tho man, there has to be something bigger out there that the human mind can’t understand. There has to be more to why we are who we are, i feel like science can’t explain every single thing. Science is great but it’s limited. Our mind is so powerful I just doubt it completely shuts off forever when we die
Why is everyone always blind to the idea that Jesus' body could've simply been moved? It isn't that hard to believe that an apostle or follower could've easily dug him a proper grave out of love and respect for him.
I think God laughs at human reasoning... "Oh, look at them! They're so cute when they think they're smarter than Me!" Never forget that God created science and it is subject to Him.
*I think God laughs at human reasoning..* Then maybe he should have given you better reasoning - what kind of creator laughs at its own creations' abilities? A *bad* one. Certainly not an _all-powerful_ one.
JMUdoc, why are you telling to me that? Most theistic philosophers of religion wouldn’t share the opinion in the original post, and I never declared my own views..
I just got done reading his book, which might I say is not a book for atheists but on the fence Christians who may be having doubts. If you take his word without doing the slightest bit of investigation, then I'm sure you will find his arguments compelling. "As an atheist, there was no accountability." 2:30 - Paints a nice picture of how atheists are. Drunk, abusive, empty. There is so much wrong with this I can't even begin to comment on this. "Is Christianity true... all you have to do is answer is did Jesus return from the dead." - 7:10 - It would be if the claim could be investigated. It's a claim that hasn't met it's burden of proof. No more than any of the other biblical miracles. "... I have to accept the bible as historical documents." 9:20 - The bible isn't the evidence, it's the claim. "Evidence list : 10:50 - Josephus was written after the Gospels. Not an account. Tacitus was written 116 AD, 70 years after the supposed resurrection. The Passing of Peregrinus, written by Lucian was a satire written in 165 AD, how is this even remotely considered evidence? Mara bar Serapion and his letter is a mention of how the wise are punished unjustly and is taken from a Christian perspective while using historical figures to demonstrate his point, this was written as late as the 3rd century and isn't historical in confirming the resurrection. The Talmud, now do we accept other contradictory religious texts as evidence? I could confirm the Egyptian God's using the Bible if that were the case. "Jesus death is indisputable..." - 11:30 Funny because historians are still arguing over if Jesus was an actual figure or not. "Legends..." 12:30 The gospels do a great job at confirming the accounts have the Hallmarks of Legend. The accounts Mark, Luke, John, Peter all were written much later after the events. As they are written, they grow in length as time gets longer. (You'd expect it to get shorter since memory gets worse.), the powers of Jesus grows as time+length goes. The Gosples don't match in details. "Road to Damascus." - How is this evidence? It's pulled straight from the bible. That's circular. "This was formed within months after the event." - 17:10, there is NO evidence of this. The earliest writings of the account were done 30 years after the purported event. This isn't "Historic Gold" it's cherry picked from a single historian which nobody else agrees with him. "... We have good historical records that the tomb was empty...." 18:35 - No citation, just claims it. "How can you account for a religion exploding without this actually happening?" - 19:20. You'd have to ignore the OTHER 21,000+ religions who also had an exploding of followers after false events that never happened. This is a joke. It's like if a Mormons said, "How else do you account for the boom of Mormons if Joseph Smith didn't read from the tablets?" "Embarrassment..." 19:50. Nearly every mythology has this, nearly every compelling story has this. This isn't compelling in the least but it's a good dissertation on narratives. "Enemies" - 22:20 Pulling from the bible, circular logic. At least Stroble is self-aware that there are more logical explanations like stealing a body if it existed. "They had no motive for lying..." - 24:00 Bullshit, martidum for false beliefs isn't a Christian exclusive theme. There is nothing more powerful than being an idol to a religion. "The best explanation is it really happened..." What a stretch. "Eye Witnesses.." 24:50 - We have 100,000 eye witnesses to Sathya Sai Baba performing miracles as a Hindu guru and yet nobody bats an eye. Eye witness testimony is NOTORIOUSLY unreliable. On top of that, the "Eye Witnesses" are from the bible. "4 Gosples" 28:00 - They are not reliable sources of "History" since they are the claim, not the evidence. On top of that, they are self-contradictory and filled with holes and lack continuity. The rest of the video is full of holes... I'll leave it here for now.
"Embarrassment..." 19:50. Nearly every mythology has this, nearly every compelling story has this. This isn't compelling in the least but it's a good dissertation on narratives. Please name the Mythological story (CLAIMING TO BE TRUE) from ancient history that uses taboo, repugnant, non reputable sources for their claims.
Joshua 1:7 (KJV) Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper withersoever thou goest. Deuteronomy 4:35(KJV) Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him. Deuteronomy 32:39(KJV) See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Theologos Lee gets the definition of atheism wrong. He uses the Bible as evidence for itself. He dismisses other religious claims that meet his low standards of evidence. Want more? There is plenty.
Mr Strobel, How are you? For me I find ppl mostly brush me aside.. I believe in God since 1990 and life has been a personal struggle w/out many friends... Hum!
Jennifer Benton and my fellow Christian brothers and sisters I applaud your speaking up without reservation in regards to the undeniable truth about our Heavenly Father Yaweh and our Lord and personal savior Yeshua. However I would gently suggest perhaps that you do not waste your words on deaf ears. The aethist barring a life altering event, will NEVER Accept what is true because of one simple reason. They rely on their own limited thinking. They are not humble enough to put their prejudices to the side and accept the idea that in reality there is NOTHING complex at all in regards to the existence of GOD and Jesus. These individuals are merely a result of a society that demands that there has to be an intricate and complex series of evidences to support what to them is impossible. As Christians we go by Faith. A doubter or Atheist would never understand the simplicity of Faith because they have been conditioned to rely on their own limited intelligence, books, science and philosophy. Just from reading some of the comments being put forth by these people, mostly acerbic in nature if not sarcastic, it illustrates the sheer ignorance and willful denial of what should be fairly obvious to those who have eyes to truly SEE. The very fact that they cannot provide an answer themselves as to WHY they doubt the existence of GOD and JESUS nor provide evidence to support their claims, only underlines the futility of their arguments. Faith is a GIFT. Free will is a gift. GOD is a JUST GOD because if he were to force us to believe in him then we would merely be automotons. Robots. Then what would be the purpose of being? We are therefore free to CHOOSE to serve a JUST and gracious GOD or try going about our own way thinking we have all the answers. Judging by some of the comments put forth here by skeptics I would say going your own way only leads to MORE questions and endless theories that NEVER have a definitive answer. I will continue to let Faith which has thus far NEVER Failed to reward me with incredible life changing events Be the foundation of my peace and the guiding light in my life. Peace, Strength and blessings to everyone.
+Curtis Ostriker Well said Brother Curtis! Praise God in the name of Jesus. Tell them the good news. If they will not hear it - shake the dust from your feet and continue on to the next house.
Curtis Ostriker Can you please elaborate on this: "The very fact that they cannot provide an answer themselves as to WHY they doubt the existence of GOD and JESUS nor provide evidence to support their claims, only underlines the futility of their arguments." It seems to me as if you are trying to shift the burden away from the claimant. Unless I am misinterpreting?
3:43 - He was looking for the ultimate high, and that was wrong. [waiting for him to say he found the ultimate high in Jesus..] 9:53 - I can't stomach this tripe any longer. Is this guy even for real?
the world is flat has got nothing to do with it. the bible never did say the world is flat. back in the old days, everybody believed the world was flat, from the viking to the chinese
YH Yong just saying: I'm just guessing that you have not read the Torah (Old Testament) /bible, books of Enoch in there entirety? Or you like many others do not believe what Yahweh has told us and showed us about Creation? He spoke of not just a flat earth but a Fixed not moving earth and describes our separation from him and the heavens by a dome. it's all throughout the bible, Torah and books of Enoch. Not many really have searched it for themselves, we just except what science sAus. I have come to the conclusion that I can NO longer sit on the fence. Because I either believe what my CREATOR has provided me about Creation or I believe Human Science's Theory which would make me an Evolutionists. For which I definitely am NOT! So this is where humans Must draw the line, because you just can't believe in both. it's one or the other In the beginning Geinisess Ezekiel 7:2 Psalm 104:5 www.peterwallace.org/old/essays/flatearth.htm en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
+Andrew Suzuki Well, Andrew, Lee does a great job explaining everything religion has to offer in terms of evidence. If a whole bunch of references to Jesus from people who were not alive to see his crucifixion is enough for you, great! But for me, all that proves is that people believed in the stories, not that Jesus ever lived. If a whole bunch of early responses is good enough for you, great! For me, I want legitimate sources, not early ones. The fact that these are so early makes them fishy. Lee doesn't provide any justification for why these sources are legitimate, he does a bit of "slight of hand" to imply that early = legitimate. He is wrong. If an empty tomb is somehow good enough for you, great! I don't know why that would be good enough for you though, because clearly, the mere existence of an empty tomb shouldn't be good enough for anybody. If people who said "The apostles are really sure of it" is good enough for you, great! For me, there are many people to this day who die for Allah, so if "They seem really sure" is evidence, then Islam is winning. We know Alexander the great existed for three main reasons. He had: References from others mentioning his name and acts. Archaeological evidences, such as busts or carvings. Evidences of historical impact. Things he did. Jesus only has one of those three, and he has the weakest of them. We have no idea what Jesus looked like. Jesus changed nothing on earth during his time here. We're missing 30 years of his life.
+Marilyn A. Binay simple. most atheists are open to new information. if someone says they have evidence for god, we are more than open to listen. only problem is that the evidence is almost always poor or just false. then we get annoyed becouse the repetition of ignorance.
The simple fact remains that freewill is yours. You choose what you want to believe or not believe. Based upon my beliefs....notice I said "my" because this is just my point of view.... I look at it this way for those who want to argue and say that if God doesn't change someone's mind then he has predetermined you are doomed. How I see it is that he gives us freewill to choose. He knows our beginning and our end. Everything else in the middle is decided by us because of freewill. I look at him as our father. A parent is suppose to love and guide their child. They teach them and then let them go into the world. A parent isn't responsible for what their grown child does. Their child chooses to do what he or she wants. Its just like us we make our decisions. We don't have to agree. That is the beauty of freedom.
Jennifer Benton No, you do not choose what you want to believe or not believe, AT ALL. Belief/acceptance of a claim is an intellectual test of validity based on a standard of evidence. You can prove me wrong by choosing to believe that ice giants exist. Note that I don't mean believe the CLAIM they exist, I mean ACTUALLY BELIEVE there are giants running around in Scandinavia.
That's possible. It's also possible that it only took one chapter for me to recognize cheap sales tactics. Maybe someday you will ascend to that level.
I'm currently trying to come back to Christianity! I am/was a Christian from 2004 until about 2013/14 and after two/three years of doubt or dietician, I'm starting to yearn for belief again! To get with God again! Please help! any advice? Thanks in advance!
I highly recommend you to read the info on the CMI website (see creation.com) with over 10,000 articles and peer-reviewed scientific information plus you can contact them ...
You should try Islam. Or Zoroastrianism. Some of the Nordic religions are fun. If you want something a little less judgemental try buddhism. Any one of those will get you to a god.
Only through Jesus we have eternal life ✝️🕊💞 Romans 5:8 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 2 Corinthians 5:21 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. Romans 6:23 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Acts 2:38-39 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 14:6 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Romans 8:38-39 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Hebrews 4:12 KJV "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 13:16 "And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased." These are the sacrifices that please God.
Why on earth did God/Jesus choose to reveal himself to people living in an obscure corner of the Middle East thousands of years before the invention of television and the internet? What a wonderful opportunity it would have been, now in the 21st century ,for Christ to have preached his message to virtually the entire world. The absurdity of Christianity never ceases to astound me.
because people still would not believe. (video edits, lies, accounts of religious oppression and religious radicalism would be the main attention of our world... text can be examined and scrutinized backed up by multiple people speaking multiple languages with a unanimous agreement on the story... God knows best... Jesus saving, the sooner the better. how would we sacrifice animals for religious purposes in this day in age. it wouldnt happen thanks to animal rights activists. good thing Jesus came before them
Actually wait a while and eventually he will but it will be to late then . One thing that scares me though what would happen if you saw a miracle happens with your own eyes and it was proven to be true and this man said he was God? Would you believe him? I really hope not. Cause the Bible talks about in the end times that will happen and he won't be God but the Antichrist and if your not careful and we are in those times(I don't believe we are yet) then you will for it thinking well that was something" I can see" . Also to your comment God doesn't work that way because then we wouldn't have a personal relationship with him. God wants to have a personal relationship with you not just a belief in him. He doesn't give a crap if you believe in Him I mean according to the Bible even Satin believes in God and Believes that Christ existed and knows the Bible backwards and forwards. I mean the Bible even says pretty much( In my own words )"good for you even the devil and his angels believe " see God wants a relationship not a religion. He doesn't want you to sing and pray and do everything right if you don't have a relationship with him all of that is useless and meaningless. You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. James 2:19 NLT bible.com/bible/116/jas.2.19.NLT (This is the verse)
I have been struggling to accept Christianity for a long time and would love to believe but I have another loophole I can't get over. What if Jesus had a twin or lookalike to help fake the resurrection? Please tell me why this isn't more likely.
Then Jesus would not be Jesus then. How would His "lookalike" ascend up to heaven? If you are struggling with the resurrection, why aren't there other loopholes about which you wonder? Jesus was able to: -raise Lazarus from the dead, -turn water into wine -Walk on water -Feed the multitude from 5 loves and 2 fish -Make the lame to walk -Make the blind to see -Make the deaf to hear -Make the dumb to talk -Calm the storm And more
Truth I don't even know what you are trying to say. Oh... except the part about "our book is better than their book so you better believe it without evidence or you'll burn forever in Hell". No thanks. I have a brain. You say the universe was created, but God wasn't, and the Bible is the key... I don't get how you can trust a book that you don't even know who wrote it. I just don't. Trying to scare me with your "God will judge you" crap is laughable.
I would just like to say one thing. If we as Christians are incorrect then no sweat right. At least we lived life with purpose. However if we be right then all who chose to disbelieve have a serious problem in the eternal day in court. It's a worthy thought.
+Derek Parker You're making Pascal's Wager, and it's not a compelling argument for a few reasons. First, you're far too quick to simply say "No sweat, right?" Christianity has downsides. You can't just go around trying to ban abortion, revoke gay rights, deny evolution, shame atheists, etc. and then say, "Well, if we're dedicating our lives to a lie, no sweat, right?" Christianity acts as a major roadblock for the progression of science and morality, so don't act as though you're incorrectness is of no consequence. And just to be clear, I'm not accusing you, personally, of trying to do any of the aforementioned things. I'm simply pointing out that belief in your religion can and often does have major downsides. Second, you're acting as though there's even a serious chance that Christianity might be true. Let me make an analogy. Imagine that you're walking down the street one day, and an insane looking homeless man runs up to you and screams, "Write me a thoughtful poem or else I'll send you and your family to a lake of fire for all eternity!" Would you actually write this person a poem? It's a small price to pay to ensure that you and your family don't burn in a lake of fire for all eternity, but you obviously wouldn't write this poem because the chances of this homeless man's threats being real are so low that they're not even worth considering. And so it is with Christianity. Its claims are so ridiculous that a rational person can easily dismiss them as being obviously false. Third, you're acting as though there are no other religions. I mean, you might end up going to Hell (or an equivalent form of eternal punishment) for not believing in Allah, or Krishna, or the Volcano God worshiped by some small African tribe. It's not like being a Christian keeps you safe from all the religious threats regarding eternal punishment. It only protects you from one. And even then, there are many Christian denominations who believe that salvation is not assured by faith alone. Fourth, you're acting as though belief is a choice. Maybe it is for you, but most people form their beliefs based on their knowledge that exists without the need for any choice. For instance, I believe that 2+2=4. I didn't choose to believe that; I just know that it's true because I've seen the evidence. I could start saying that it's not true, or acting like it's not true, but even with a gun to my head, I could never genuinely believe that 2+2 is equal to anything other than 4. And it's the same with religion. I can say that the Bible is the word of god. I can act as though the Bible is the word of god. But can I genuinely believe that the Bible is the word of god just by choosing to? Of course not.
*" I believe that 2+2=4. I didn't choose to believe that; I just know that it's true because I've seen the evidence."* It's engineered to be true so that it can be useful in discerning truth.
Pascal's Wager = It's better to make assumptions about god than risk eternal torture in his basement. But if it turns out that the one true god is one that hates people fraking their gift of reason & being gullible to a fault & wasting their one life on a toss up (Pascals wager), then you are so screwed... Homer Simpson's version of Pascal's wager "Don't pray to *any* god because if you're praying to the wrong god, then you're just pissin' off the real one." Pascals Wager, one of the most compelling reasons to avoid all gods. The frequency which is brought up among the faithful indicates more about the nature of god's relationship with man than all the bibles in the world. Why worship a god that keeps itself so distant that folks are reduced to the roll of a 10,000 sided die regarding their fate? Why is gullibility so cherished? Who could worship such a god?
you clearly dont know what atheism is. so let me simplify if for you. an atheist is what you call a person that does not believe in a god/gods. i know this because i am one, and i dont go around doing evil shit. and lastly. go fuck yourself, you presumptuous judgemental little shit.
Of course the Bible says that the Bible is true... Problem is, if you *actually* seek truth, you'll find that there really is no reason to believe that Jesus ever did anything supernatural or otherwise godly.
WreckNRepeat Your post is 100% inaccurate. Christianity is based on the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and what Jesus is doing to today ( not only what He did 2,000 years ago ). For example, when Jesus sends His Spirit to a believer by the Acts 2: 38-39 promise, there is an observable event, there is observable data. The event of being born of the Spirit is not observed by the will of mankind, but when the Lord sends His Spirit. Read Acts 8: 14-17, 10: 44-48 and 19: 1-7 for the 1st Century record of what is being observed TODAY ( I capitalize today because so often a person who doesn't seek truth will see a Bible verse and immediately assert that the Bible is the only record, but here we see the Biblical record, as in many other cases, describes the same empirical data that is observed 2,000 years later, in present day ).
HisRedeemed How is there an observable event with observable data? Obviously we can observe that people are baptized, but for that to be evidence of the Bible's accuracy, we'd need to observe that people who become baptized actually receive the gift of the holy spirit, as Acts 2: 38 claims they do. And there is zero observable data suggesting that this is the case. And no, speaking in tongues is not observable data suggesting that the holy spirit does anything upon baptism, nor is it evidence of the holy spirit existing in the first place. Speaking in tongues is easily explained by modern psychology, and you'd probably know that if you actually sought truth.
Jude 1:17-21Expanded Bible (EXB) A Warning and Things to Do 17 [L But you] ·Dear friends [Beloved], remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ ·said before [predicted; prophesied; foretold; 2 Pet. 3:2]. 18 [L For] They said to you, “In the ·last times [end time] there will be ·people who laugh about God [scoffers; mockers], ·following [pursuing] their own ·evil [ungodly] ·desires [passions; lusts; 2 Pet. 3:3].” 19 These are the people who ·divide you [cause divisions], people ·whose thoughts are only of this world [who are worldly; or who live by natural instincts/desires], who do not have the Spirit [C living within them and guiding them]. 20 But [L you] ·dear friends [beloved], ·use your most holy faith to build yourselves up [or build yourselves up on the foundation of your most holy faith; C the whole body of true Christian doctrine and practice], praying ·in [in dependence on; or as directed by; or according to the will of] the Holy Spirit. 21 Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ ·to give you [that leads to] ·life forever [eternal life].
No matter how much Athiest want to convince others that God isn't real they will have no other choice but to accept that it's true one sweet moment in time.
The burden of proof is not on atheist to convince people that your particular god is not real. The burden is on you since you are the one making the claim that this god is real. Can you meet that burden? Do you have any evidence to suggest that your god is real?
Being on the crossroads im always on the lookout for good apologetic material which present a rational and unbiased sense of theology. Sadly this was not the one, not even came close to presenting the case for christianity.Sad he misrepresented the non-believers to be immoral. He thought the opposite of christianity is drunkenness, sexual promescuity and pent up hatred towards god. This person needed help for his marriage. All these sources and historicity of jesus are not verifiable and all it takes is a few minutes from ur part to check it or if u wish one can take the same methodology and make a case for any religion. Why were the followers of Mohammed so willing to die for him even after his death and spread islam if not for miracles and belief that he was the messenger of allah. Does that make islam true? As for hallucination people still around the globe claim that jesus appeared to them (not kidding) and is like publising a book where i saw an alien spacecraft along with my 500 friends & relatives and based on the numbers i gotta believe. Only takeaway of this video was the creed and other extra sources which i gotta study more in my spare time and better go for CS Lewis.
CS Lewis is great. I recommend listening to Cold Case Christianity podcast by J Warner Wallace, as well as reading some of his books. The guy is a homicide detective who was an Atheist for 35 years before he started becoming convinced otherwise. His need for evidence is what drew me to him. It wasn't until he had been working on cases that had gone cold (exactly our situation) for 15 years that he started to change his mind. Also, he grew up in a Mormon household. He thought both Mormonism and Christianity were baseless beliefs for comfort. He talks about the day he became a Christian was the same day he became a not-Mormon, because the methods of investigation he used to, say, convict a murderer were the same methods he applied to Christianity and Mormonism.
There is only so much information that can be give in an hour. You're expecting him to perfectly distill what took him a long time to discover into a single video?
1 Corinthians 1:18- 21For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
"As an atheist, there was no accountability." 2:30 - Paints a nice picture of how atheists are. Drunk, abusive, empty. There is so much wrong with this I can't even begin to comment on this. "Is Christianity true... all you have to do is answer is did Jesus return from the dead." - 7:10 - It would be if the claim could be investigated. It's a claim that hasn't met it's burden of proof. No more than any of the other biblical miracles. "... I have to accept the bible as historical documents." 9:20 - The bible isn't the evidence, it's the claim. "Evidence list : 10:50 - Josephus was written after the Gospels. Not an account. Tacitus was written 116 AD, 70 years after the supposed resurrection. The Passing of Peregrinus, written by Lucian was a satire written in 165 AD, how is this even remotely considered evidence? Mara bar Serapion and his letter is a mention of how the wise are punished unjustly and is taken from a Christian perspective while using historical figures to demonstrate his point, this was written as late as the 3rd century and isn't historical in confirming the resurrection. The Talmud, now do we accept other contradictory religious texts as evidence? I could confirm the Egyptian God's using the Bible if that were the case. "Jesus death is indisputable..." - 11:30 Funny because historians are still arguing over if Jesus was an actual figure or not. "Legends..." 12:30 The gospels do a great job at confirming the accounts have the Hallmarks of Legend. The accounts Mark, Luke, John, Peter all were written much later after the events. As they are written, they grow in length as time gets longer. (You'd expect it to get shorter since memory gets worse.), the powers of Jesus grows as time+length goes. The Gosples don't match in details. "Road to Damascus." - How is this evidence? It's pulled straight from the bible. That's circular. "This was formed within months after the event." - 17:10, there is NO evidence of this. The earliest writings of the account were done 30 years after the purported event. This isn't "Historic Gold" it's cherry picked from a single historian which nobody else agrees with him. "... We have good historical records that the tomb was empty...." 18:35 - No citation, just claims it. "How can you account for a religion exploding without this actually happening?" - 19:20. You'd have to ignore the OTHER 21,000+ religions who also had an exploding of followers after false events that never happened. This is a joke. It's like if a Mormons said, "How else do you account for the boom of Mormons if Joseph Smith didn't read from the tablets?" "Embarrassment..." 19:50. Nearly every mythology has this, nearly every compelling story has this. This isn't compelling in the least but it's a good dissertation on narratives. "Enemies" - 22:20 Pulling from the bible, circular logic. At least Stroble is self-aware that there are more logical explanations like stealing a body if it existed. "They had no motive for lying..." - 24:00 Bullshit, martidum for false beliefs isn't a Christian exclusive theme. There is nothing more powerful than being an idol to a religion. "The best explanation is it really happened..." What a stretch. "Eye Witnesses.." 24:50 - We have 100,000 eye witnesses to Sathya Sai Baba performing miracles as a Hindu guru and yet nobody bats an eye. Eye witness testimony is NOTORIOUSLY unreliable. On top of that, the "Eye Witnesses" are from the bible. "4 Gosples" 28:00 - They are not reliable sources of "History" since they are the claim, not the evidence. On top of that, they are self-contradictory and filled with holes and lack continuity. The rest of the video is full of holes... I'll leave it here for now
I don't dispute this stuff. I'm not an atheist. But if God wanted to give the world a REAL message of specific meaning, it would not be so ambiguous! For now, I live thankful that it's all a continuing question. Always reverent and always thankful!
Atheists: we would believe in God if you could only give evidence! *provides thousands of apologetics books* Atheists: You can't only use the bible dknsodnwhfksnfksb
+Wilbur Jenkins so you've read every single apologetics book in existence and have credibility to say they are not evidence? Or do you just revert to the stereotype that we only use the bible to prove the bible
epicdman813 Dude books don't prove anything. A biology book doesn't prove anything. A history book doesn't prove anything. Just because a book says something doesn't mean it is true. Things need to be independently verified with evidence. When a science books says the acceleration of Earths gravity is 9.8 m/s, it's true because you can actually measure it with evidence. They're called apologetic books for a reason. All they do it present baseless conjecture that cannot be tested with evidence.
I was an Atheist. My religion was science and hero was Sir Frances Hoyle, one of the greatest scientists of modern times. He computed the statistical probability of the Universe, Earth and life coming together in a series of random events. The odds were one out of one followed by ten thousand zeros. In a court of law that is well beyond "reasonable doubt." If one studies the strange world of quantum physics, one can begin to understand the resurrection is indeed possible.
That's just a "god of the gaps" fallacy. The correct answer to "How did we seemingly beat insurmountable odds against our own existence?" is not "God did it" it's "We don't know" and we might not ever know. But our ignorance does not give us licence to start dreaming up supernatural beings to explain away what we don't understand. We should just be honest and admit that we don't know. Which means the honest position is currently atheism. So why are you not an atheist?
Gilbert Sanchez Believe me or I'll scare you again. The bible is a lying scummy smarmy congame. "The fool hath said in his heart 'there is no Santa Claus'." ---Rudolf 12:25
How can you write a book about the case for Christ and not mention the Catholic Church in the entire book!? He dares not mention the whole reason Jesus starts a Church because it will destroy the whole Protestant understanding of Christ. Time for a rewrite of the book and this time add the bride of Christ, the Catholic Church.
There is so much wrong with this I don't even know where to begin. He is presenting the stories as evidence for themselves. Especially noticeable when he talks about the "empty tomb" If that is our standard of evidence... If we can use a story as evidence for itself then we could use his exact same method to arrive at the conclusion that Hogwarts exists, that Edward is a vampire, and that Katniss is great with a bow and arrow. Obviously a story can't be evidence for itself. We should demand a higher standard than the one given to us in this presentation.
So why have you not converted to Islam yet? 19 people were so sure that they had the correct god that they were willing to not just be persecuted for their beliefs but they killed themselves flying planes into buildings. By your logic the only way that could happen is if their beliefs were true... Right? Do you think Islam is a false religion? If so then please explain why so many are perfectly willing to die for a lie?
***** those stories were written by believers, even if the story were completely consistent internally it would not be a reason to believe it detailed actual events. You are asking me for an explanation for Paul's complete inversion, because in the story he saw a vision of Jesus. In. The. Story. STORY
NO, UR WRONG...WHAT HE HAD, WAS AN EXPERIENCE THAT WAS RIGHT JUST FOR HIM...Jesus is a 'personal' GOD...He comes to each one of us, individually...becuz, he knows everything about us, and knows, what we need, before we even ask...why is it that a 'story' cannot be evidence for itself?...hmmm?...a 'story' is not, necessarily, fiction, is it? hogwarts, as in rowling fiction is just that, fiction. But, the story that he lives, is not fiction...it is his life...and as to the 'story' of Jesus, in Scripture...the evidence has been proven, not just by text, but, by archaeological proofs...so, it's not just written accounts, its archaeological proofs, that the book you call, just a story, is 'historical truth'. But, even if that did not exist, take the Old TEstament - and compare it to the New Testament - if you really search and study, you will find this...consistencies - relationship - correlation - read Isaiah chapter 9, verses 6 & 7...then, go over to the New TEstament - read Luke chapter 1, verses 31, 32, 33 and Matthew chapter 1, verse 23...now, Isaiah lived a couple of thousand years before luke & Matthew...How did he know, about a child that was going to be born, who would be called 'the mighty god', etc., unless God, Himself, had embued his Holy Spirit on Isaiah, and commanded him to write this in a scroll, that would be found generations on, and then, in the time of the Gospels, that Christ would be born, and Matthew would record this, along with Luke. No, the evidence to the 'story' IS in the Scriptures - without anything else - but, God, in His Mercy, has given us so much more - becuz, He loves us that much - the archaeological proofs that are coming to us, every day, are the confirmation to us, that the Word of God, The Bible, is real and Trustworthy. L.
Layna8 do you believe the specific story's that were told about Jesus? Like turning water into wine, Raising the dead, and healing the sick? If you believe those stories but reject similar ones from other religions can you tell us the difference? Did Muhammad ascend to heaven on a horse with wings? Muslims believe this literally happened, do you?
Ian G the Talmud confirms that Jesus did do miracles, as it even says NEGATIVE things about him, it says he preformed miracles. But accused him of witchcraft, like the Bible also said they did,
