Legacies season 4 episode 9 Lizzie dies. Hope mikaelson kills lizzie Hope Mikaelson humanity isn't off and ends up tricking Lizzie then snaps her neck Hope destroys the only weapon that can kill a tribrid
Really powerful and dark twist!! Hope really made a psychopathic move here, pretending her humanity is back on then turn on Lizzie, a real step toward villainy!
i honestly blame everyone but hope for the path she’s going down. everyone around her constantly drills into her that she’s a weapon and that she’s just like klaus when she’s not. klaus could do all these things with his humanity on and be fine, hope require’s emotional liberty to carry out these acts. she limits herself because even she doesn’t yet understand her power and it’s at the point now where she turned it off to avoid emotional repercussions. but the super squad and the others created her, their treatment of hope is what’s recreating a pre-hope klaus mikaelson, except it’s hope herself.
I though for a second she actually turned it back but was worried why she was so calm, everyone barely could handle getting their humanity back and hope didn’t even flinch.
Y’all forgetting hope still is an original and has dark magic. And she is still a wolf. I love Lizzie. That was so sweet. How she wanted to kill her but she couldn’t because she loves her😥
@@terrainup6012 no. Original means indestructeble boddy and her own sire line. She can not be decapitated, cremated or destroyed and if She does someown, all vamps and hybrids from her bloodline die aswell. Thats why we call her original. She is not like a normal hybrid with Magic, She is indestructeble
1:30 After Lizzie says “you haven’t killed anyone that you care about” did anyone else see Hope’s head turn and her give a look like she was saying “you’re absolutely right” Before preceding to snap Lizzie’s neck.
I feel like Lizzie is/was so underrated. She is smart, unpredictable and she's a powerful witch (now a heretic) I think she will be a "problem" for Hope and I also think that wasn't the only red oak stake.
It wasn’t she told Ethan I think is his name she made two she gave him one to keep at the school while she went after hope he told mg abt her going after hood but didn’t mention the red oak I was shook after that part too
Actually heretics on their own are not that strong. When together they are unstoppable. But as individuals... they could dessicate from siphoning themselves.
Hope is a first born mikaelson witch who learned from freya, Lizzie and Josie learn from hope, hmmmm hope is a tribred and alpha hope will destroy lil Lizzie
@@The_Memorial Heretics are extremely powerful on their own as well as in groups. Lizzie will be quite powerful and a true threat against Hope because she will have access to her dark magic at any moment. Heretic Lizzie is Lizzie at her strongest.
Lizzie wanted Hope to kill her. This was her plan. She provoked Hope so she would kill her and she would become a heretic. She wanted that. I can't wait for the next episode. The show is getting better and better!
@@The_Memorial I'm not so sure because she was talking with Alaric about becoming a vampire to avoid the merge. It's unclear if it still has to happen now that she's dead; She was probably planning to do that on the day they had to merge. But still. Lizzie could have definitely wanted this
She brought up how the pack needed her and I was like “Wait- Aren’t you the new girl? Why is the pack looking to the person who just found out about the supernatural world for advice?” But I’ve also skipped some side characters’ scenes because they were boring so maybe they did show her interacting with the pack and I just missed it.
@@MgnHeart She's the best shot the pack has. Did you remember when Jared and her fight for being the alpha? She let him win and I think everyone knows it and then, they accept her as his second.
I just realized, Hope is the first humanity off vampire - who is a main character - to kill a loved one. If memory proves correct, Damon, Stefan, Elena, Caroline, and even Enzo never crossed that line. And I am NOT counting Damon killing Tyler because they were never really close friends
Maybe deep down she only cared for Landon. Hope with humanity always tries to do selfless things, which she does, but at the end of the day Landon is the one she truly cares about. They may be friends, but hope would gladly sacrifice the twins to save Landon.
Heretics can’t be underestimated because now there’s a witch that can actually go toe to toe with Hope. She’ll heal from any magical overload and she might be a weaker vampire but it still about levels the playing field. About as much as anyone can hope to now that the red oak is gone. That was fucked up, snapping Lizzie’s neck after the love confession (familial or otherwise). Hope really has gone dark side. This is the ‘too far’ everybody has wanted. Cannot wait for the rest of this season.
I do not look at Lizzie as a weaker vampire. Hope literally just turned into a vampire not too long before this. And I don’t subscribe to the theory of her being a “stronger” vampire just based on the fact that she is klauses daughter. Since that has never been explained since it’s never been done before. So I personally think they are pretty even. The only thing hope has that Lizzie doesn’t is a werewolf side. But a werewolf bite doesn’t effect heretics.
Burningdaylighter Hope has the strength of an Original Hybrid (Klaus) from the beginning of her turn. Plus witch power like a heritic. And werewolf bites do effect Heritics. Kai just figured out a way around that. Doesn't mean that Lizzie knows that loophole yet.
@@SherrickDuncan Getting bit by a werewolf is like magic, according to Kai. He went and siphoned up . He said a wolf shaping shifting is magic and that means their venom is also magic, he went siphoned it up. I’m sure heretic can also heal a werewolf bite
Lizzie did what no one would she is fighting and she knew that Hope will kill her and that was her plan all along meaning it would had to make her into a heretic Forget everyone’s else Lizzie is actually doing something
@@jaymoralucifer if she was smart shed take hopes blood bc they have it on hand at the school to cure werewolf bites. then she could just link her life to hopes like how kai linked bonnie and elena.
@@letmedream84 I know that! I'm talking about hope.. there was a lot of speculation that hope being in Aurora's body would mean she wouldn't have her magic.
If Lizzie knew about Hope's encounter with Dark Josie, revealing she's afraid of facing her pain of losing Landon, that could've triggered her humanity. Hope is a coward as she's running from her grief instead of facing it. She clams to b her father's daughter but she isn't. Klaus kept his humanity on so he was worse as he had no excuses even by a little bit. I think if Dark Josie or anyone could turn her humanity back on, Hope will turn it back off again, and again, and again; that way she doesn't face her pain on Landon or Alaric. Remember in VD when Damon was in the phoenix stone and Stefan said "How do u think Elena would react?", Damon goes "I didn't get ta ask.". Hope is like that, would rather ask in person instead of think because she's too focused on her emotional pain, and its only getting worse.
In a way I am happy Lizzie is now also a vampire but it’s kinda sad how it went down because if Lizzie actually thought she wouldn’t hurt her the. It makes it even more sad 😅
I have always found the concept of the humanity switch in the tvd universe to be somewhat confusing. To this day Caroline was the only vampire in the show who had their humanity turned off initially and didn't go on a killing rampage. she was still able to function normally and be able to reason. I mean don't get me wrong I know what the switch does, it stops you from caring about anything or anyone just your gratification. However it doesn't take away your memories you still know the ppl you previously cared about, your friends would still be friends, your parents still parents, family still family. Your humanity being turned off doesn't change who these ppl are its why Damon was able to flip Elena's switch when he killed Matt. The humanity switch doesn't last forever. Eventually it will come back and completely f***k your life. The fact Hope is able to kill so many ppl in her circle is scary. I can't fathom how she is gonna come back from all this..
maybe because she is tribrid the switch is stronger, I don't know. I also find it amazing that the switch hasn't turn on with anything. But like Dark Josie said she is afraid of it and why wouldn't she, as a witch, werewolf and vampire the feelings are damn intense.
Thats not completely true. Think about elena for example. She tried to kill Bonnie twice (Bonnie who was always her best friend unlike with Hope and Lizzie who hated each other for most of their lives). She also almost killed matt and caroline. Caroline tried to kill matt and tyler too
@@The_Memorial that's what the person is saying everybody else aside from caroline went batshit crazy when their humanity is turned off which makes no sense your still the same person mentally just without emotions
@@The_Memorial yea ur'e right Caroline did try to kill her frens too but only after Stephan's influence. She had it together initially or it appeared so. Lol.. I don't know guess I expected more from Hope and am now both entertained and disappointed. Honestly thought her switch wld be on by now. Am wondering if maybe the real Landon might be the one to do it.
@@zaviaplummer7988 thnk u.. u summed up exactly what I was trying to say. I just find it wierd u know who these ppl are even though u no longer care about them. Why go out of ur way to harm them for no reason. Its just crazy or just a way to show the audience what monsters vampires are but we already know what they are capable of no surpises there.
Using hope's blood won't make any difference. In fact, lizzie would be weaker than the other heretics because they were turned nearly 200 years earlier
no, remember in the starting of the episode when lizzie met aurora in hope's body? aurora had glasses with blood and lizzie drank that thinking it was red wine, so ill say the blood was from rebekah's sireline
Dang it, I really thought her humanity was on and I can't believe that Lizzie is a heretic so does this mean that she and Josie don't have to do the Merge?
That's what I'm wondering. What exactly are the rules for the Gemini coven's exitence? Is this a spell that was casted generations ago that they have to respect? When Kai died it wiped out the whole coven, so there had bee no leader for 18 years. Were they still obligated to do the merge after that anyway? The show is unclear on the rules
@@714KH the coven isn’t gone because Lizzie and Josie are alive and they are the remaining coven. The would have to merge to figure who was gonna be the leader.
@@714KH There was supposed to be more backstory to the merge. Josie thought it was not a chosen requirement but a cursed placed on the coven and the twins coming from that coven. But now the actress of Josie is gone so they may scratch that storyline. I mean Lizzie is not going to age so technically she will never be 22 so there's no need for the merge but also no leader for the cover.
@@victorholmes445 I mean she can always return but it'd be awhile before they got to that storyline anyway. I can see that being the loophole now with her being a Heretic but technically if there is no Merge when Josie turns 22, assuming she doesn't also become a Heretic, they would both die. Also if there is no new leader of the Gemini and one of the sisters die both would die. So if they happened to have children at that time anyone in the Gemini line would die out. This also includes Valerie as well assuming she's still technically a Gemini even though she was abandoned by her family. So to make a long point short, anything that happens to one without the leader happens to all. And if the leader were to die, all would die as well. So either way you roll it, you're eventually fucked.
Lol that was disrespecting hope Josie hell dark Josie even stated she wasn’t strong enough to turn on hopes humanity switch, Dark Josie is Josie at her strongest by far as we seen. Heretic Lizzie may be as powerful as far dark josie but neither of them match hopes power scale.
@Sky Dome true but that was still hope regardless on what she had to use. Jo had to go dark 🤷🏾♂️. i think hope don’t wanna cut her humanity back on bc she knows when she do she’s gonna have a break down and when first burns from her line have break downs it don’t go well and not only is she older and stronger then when she had her other breakdowns but she’s the tribrid now with even more grief to let go. so if we’re being technical hope is still holding back. I’ll admit my defeat tho jo beat her both times magic based.
If y'all think about it, lizzie doesn't have much of a chance against hope, even being a heretic, ok ok ... I adore heretics, they are one of the most powerful creatures in TVDU but still lizzie is not that strong, hope is an original vampire, an alpha wolf of the original 9 packs, and has an unstoppable source of magic thanks to her mikaelson bloodline, while lizzie only has the strength of a newborn vampire which in turn makes her magic not that strong, I think maybe a heretic (original vampire - siphoner) could stand up to hope, meanwhile lizzie isn't much of a threat
I'm caling it. The new guy who's about to be on the next episode, which didn't die by the argus not even by Kaleb's dragon fire breath IS THE GOD mentioned/implied by Aurora. Get what I'm saying... He will be way more powerful than Hope. :)
Exactly I feel like he's a Angel that's the one aspect from the books that they've never show in the Vampire Diaries Universe they where talking about higher beings in this episode for it not to relate to that.
I saw in a lot of Instagram pages that his character will be someone who stuggles to deal with his past and new memories. But now you mention it maybe it was a god or another celestial being 🤔
The trick was amazing, I mean it's worked with me. I've read an article where an author saying about Hope is the only hero in the show that doesn't have any development compare to supportive cast. Which kinda not so good for a character but interesting for fans. And I'm curious, have anyone noticed that in this short time we got answers about two main problems of the entire show: the Tribrid problem and the merge. Is it means that this season it's the end?
@@khadijarafi8902Freya would try to talk to hope so that’s a no go. marcel would try to fight and to start with hope has the strength of 2 different wolves and an original vampire, so she’s already gonna hold her own then yk as she gets older she’ll get A LOT more powerful. honestly we won’t kno who will win between marcel and hope simple cuhz marcel took out hopes family alone but hope is a tribrid meaning she already has more power then a heretic hybrid and a regular witch. marcel would have to Chanel something jus to be at the same power level and still wouldn’t be able to top her at this point it’s strictly about outsmarting her like aurora did. now I’d say bc hope has her humanity off she isn’t at her strongest bc if she don’t have emotions she can’t throw tantrums and when she threw tantrums we saw her for who she could be if she jus let go and not hold back. with her emotions off she really has all the control she needs.
@@TonySharber l am pretty sure she is almost the same just more annoying , she can easily get triggered , but l am pretty sure now that a God is here , and all of them working together can literally destroy Hope , she ain't that experienced or smart , she will go crying back to Landon , her bird bf
@@khadijarafi8902 most of that ain’t even make sense lol yea there’s a god but im more then likely sure everyone’s gonna team up with the god to take out hope. hell no lol be fr. hope family most defly won’t team out wit no outsiders.
Lizzie stood no chance against Hope. What she was doing dangerous actions that could and did get her killed. Lizzie also wished Hope out of existence with the Genie, thus she had this coming and it was good payback.
Really curious about one thing, Landon will return to the land of living sooner or later, would he turn Hope's humanity back on? Or she'll keep being stubborn?
@@TonySharber the actress that play Josie left the show and is only coming back for 1 last episode this Season so i don't think she is the one to bring Landon back
I really want her to continue being stubborn because if Landon is the one who turns her humanity back on I’m gonna be very upset because I’m sick and tired of him always being what helps her out let’s like something else turn it back on
@@keyderwennevag3309 kinda crazy how they can apparently just up and leave town and have a normal life. In tvd, it felt more like they were getting wrapped up in supernatural stuff no matter where they were. If I went to that school, after the third monster attack I’d just be like “You know what? That’s enough of that.” And move to the next state over.
First of all she already has a dark side and secondly majority of the fandom wanted Lizzie to be a heretic and the fact that she has mental issues she would be loose. OR accidently turn it off
Now anyone who think that hope doesn't have the power of original vampire let's compare 1. In the therapy box she killed MJ by throwing a chair leg at him even when he was expecting it he couldn't dodge it. 2. In the fight with Josie she said that hope has power equal to an original. 3. All those theories about age are irrelevant in case of original vampires they are just that strong from the start. Example when Alaric became a original he was as strong as any original more so also Marcel and Lucian when became originals they didn't have to wait for time they were just strong. 3. Hope didn't drink anyone's blood to become a vampire she was born with it unlike lizze who has to drink it to become a vampire. So both simply can't be at the same level in vampire strength. 4. Playing or not hope stopped Aurrora's attack when she attacked from behind.
@@Hope8816. i dnt think it was the wine. she wouldnt have even known the wine had blood in it, an dim pretty sure it was probably human blood in the wine. Lizzie went in with this plan.
Yes she killed Lizzie but Lizzie had taken vampire blood before going just in case so she’s a heretic. As far as Josie leaving the show, I’m clueless as to how they will write in with Lizzie needing her family now more that ever before. Also another question is, now that there will be no merge and Caroline has no excuse to be traveling looking for a solution, will she come back? I feel like we all need answers and I can’t wait a month for them😭
@@Unbaked_P0tat00 yeah I just saw she’s leaving the show I’m so sad I do not need his extra emotions right now I think her leaving is one reason why Lizzie‘s becoming a heretic
Josie is leaving the show because on December 1st 2021 it was announced that she had been cast in a movie called “the locksmith” that she had auditioned for and it’s currently filming in Las cruces, New Mexico. She can’t be on the show and film the movie at the same time so she’s leaving the show for now at least. If she wants to come back after then she can
I mean this show isn't just about Hope. It's about the twins too. The school was literally made for the twins so their storylines are just as important as Hope's. Even the side characters are important too. They all have integrated lives together and they all deserve a shot at their story being told. This whole show has been centered on Hope and her abilities, and her trauma, her turning into the Tribrid. Everyone claims that Hope isn't getting enough of a story when literally the entire show is centered around her. This show was made for the children of the characters we once loved. That includes all the ones that it doesn't center around. I for one am glad they are now making Lizzie a heretic. It might speed things up on figuring out what the merge is and the history behind it since there's a possibility that they won't have to merge now that Lizzie died. And for one this entire season has been about Hope so you should feel satisfied with that but then again some of you are never pleased despite the writers working their asses off to write this show for all of us who love The TVD universe. And no one expected Hope to kill Lizzie so it was actually a shock.
@@leahwhite2425 I know but Hope just died 5 episodes ago I wish they waited a little longer Plus they could of did a time jump to where Josie and Lizzie merged and Josie lost( explaining Kaylee leaving a little better) then Lizzie dies anyway and becomes a heretic and it’s like Josie died for nothing then she turns her humanity off as well etc I’m just saying there are many different t ways it could of gone
@@shataysianelson9414 the whole point of them not merging is to avoid the merge. Thats what Caroline and Alaric have fought against for years. And it wouldn't make sense for them to do the merge right now anyway. They aren't twenty two and they aren't ready. Just like with Hope they are trying to avoid their destiny which is the merge. And they explained pretty clearly why Josie left. The only way she can help Hope is if she isn't at the school having to save everyone's lives. Since Hope lost her humanity everyone's been depending on Josie and she can't do what they need her to do if they keep needing her to save them. I'm sure they will get around to doing the merge but as of right now at this point it's not needed
As a fan of The Vampire Diaries, I didn't actually really tricked at all. Because as far as I remember, when a vampire turns their humanity on, all the emotions will come rushing back, at the point that you cant control it. It is so painful to see Elena and Caroline getting back their humanity on. I believe Hope has that kind of emotional vulnerability, so I already expected that when Hope does turn on her humanity, she will feel a lot of sadness, anger , regrets and all she can do is just scream or cry it all out.
Klaus would be proud... I might actually come back to watch this show if hope stays this path and keeps her dark Edge when she inevitably turn her Humanity back on
So it was all an act sure but maybe there was a possibility her humanity was coming to the surface and she pushed it down again. I think that happened during the Salvatore idol as well. Because she knows that if her humanity comes back in full force the overwhelming emotions, facing people that she hurt will cause a breakdown. Or she did feel it coming back but pulled an Elena and clung to the one thing, one emotion that will get her through. Anger.
Hope claims to have regained her humanity in order to destroy the stake Angelus pretends to be Angel to escape from his cage yeah another reference to the Buffyverse
Bruh This girl at the age of 8 broke the Hollow spell and overpowered Davina, who was a harvest girl, Lizzie was on some funky acid trip thinking she could take on Hope as she is now. 😂😂
Lizzie is my favorite character since the first season and obviously I wanted her to become a heretic but for Hope to kill her like nothing else, God that hurt a lot 💔 right now I hate Hope and I don't think I can forgive her killing Lizzie, I can't.
@@The_Memorial Again it was his plan to distract hope long enough to force her to have to choose between saving her friends or saving landon. he wouldve eventually gotten out of the chains. alaric just made it to him before he had the chance to. Hope herself said that he couldve blocked her if he wanted to. she realized herself he was playing her.
@@jaydubbs8277 Finally, someone with some sense. Kai could have easily overpowered Hope. But he's a psychopath that prefers to play mind games. And he did just that lol
@Isaac M NYCTransit&vlog That's not confirmed. Let's not spread lies. All we know at this point is that she has signed on for a new movie and it's filming schedule overlapped with this show. A starring role in a film with big names like that overpowers a side character role on a CW show any day. All we know is that she unfollowed him on social media but beyond that she hasn't said anything about it.
Ok so I see they tru out every rule for Hope or she really didn’t care about Lizzie or her humanity would have switched back on the moment she killed Lizzie
@@ronancefilm don’t sure honey me it’s true i’m not dying she didn’t but normally if you kill someone you care about your humanity forces it’s self back on
@@ronancefilm maybe you should because you clearly don’t know anything because to get someone to turn on their humanity you have to make them feel something and killing someone you really care about would do just cause Elena was the only one who actually had it happen to her doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply to everyone you just hate peoples opinion so if I’d were you I’m shut my big mouth up
The question is who did lizzie drink blood from, I think it might hope since hope has a lot of blood for the people who gets bitten by werewolf or even to get healed so idk it could be mg idk
I had a feeling she was playing Lizzie I mean I thought turning on her humanity meant being in tears considering all the other times humanity turned on🤨
Hope wanted to prove she is just like Klaus and with this here she did just that. She was mean, manipulative, ruthless and evil. She act just like Klaus. She used her for what she wanted and then turned on her when she didn’t need her anymore.
If Ric and Lizzie were disposable for Hope and didn’t mean anything (seeing as she killed them both) WHO THE HELL IS GONNA GET HER HUMANITY BACK ON!!??
a wearwolf tyler turned into a hybrid with her blood when she was fetus was first in her sireline hayley 2nd ' henry 3rd and later some hybrids klaus turned by her blood to cause havoc although i dont think they have mystical connection to hope, they wont die if she does
Hope took down aurora in like ten seconds. A vampire that is over 1000 years old and she didn’t stand a chance against Hope and Lizzie thought she did. That should have been her warning right there. Why would you challenge a vampire with no humanity smh. As soon a Lizzie said you haven’t killed anyone you care about; she challenged her and lost. That was basically daring her to kill her.
She still hasn’t actually bitten anyone yet and it’s driving me crazy. There’s not nearly enough blood drinking for a show that’s supposed to be about vampires. Every time Hope has killed someone so far, she’s done everything except bite them. She must be starving.
Lizzie f-up when she told Hope about that stake. Hope is a Maekelson and her father was cold-blooded than a lot vampire he killed. Lizzie lucky Hope broke her neck and didn't tear her heart out. But? Lizzie waking up after being dead, like to see how she became a vampire too begin with. It makes no sense since she's a purely a witch. Guest hope being a tri-brid can turn people after age kills them. Episode getting better and better.
Pretty sure legacies gonna introduce damon and Elena's daughter cause they killed off so much of the original cast they have to find a way to keep people interested Josie leaving lizzie dead Rafael has a new show so does kaylee
Damon and Elena don't have a daughter yet I believe. I think Julie Plec at one point said they will have children but they won't be apart of Legacies because they will be human. Neither Elena or Damon are supernatural anymore, from what Plec said so there would be no reason to bring in the Salvatore children of there are any. They haven't yet confirmed if there are.
