Legacy of Kain | The Ancient Vampire - Hylden War 

your sentence lacks "a" or "the"

@@arishzager6999 shut up

​@@arishzager6999as it did, as Kain spewed it out.

As long as a single one of us stands, WE ARE LEGION.

Vae Victis!!!

And this was the terrible irony.

Personally I believe the Elder did not hate the Hylden, at least not until the vampires banished them. Once the Hylden were banished all of their souls were removed from the wheel and with the curse they afflicted on the vampires they too were removed from the wheel. I believe the Elder hated the vampires most for removing an entire race of his life energy as well as having no need for the vampires as their souls were also trapped and removed from the wheel. This is why he fell silent to the vampires and why he hates them so deeply. If not for the actions of the vampires his wheel would turn as he wished.

They do. Through Raziel. If you haven't, play all the games in the series. Blood Omen 2 gets a lot of hate for being too disconnected from the continuity of the others but personally I think it leaves the possibility open for more in depth explanation. I always hoped that would happen but I highly doubt it since so many of the original voice actors have died. Perhaps with some help from ai and recording this franchise can be revived. In case you didn't know already the games are Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, Legacy of Kain:Soul Reaver 2, Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain 2, and Legacy of Kain Defiance. There were some spin offs and an mmo, I think, but those are the core to the series. If you haven't played them I highly recommend them. Graphics compared to modern games will likely be underwhelming but for their time they were decent.

I was thinking the very same while listening to this. Me wondering if the Elder God wanted the Hylden out of the way not only due to not caring for spirituality but as you mention, but possibly learning of the true existence of the eldritch parasite and revealing to the Vampires what they were truly hailing as a deity...

@CPTcast That's an interesting insight and may be one of the reasons why the Elder God drove the two races to war with each other. With them both being distracted by war, I suppose neither really had a chance to delve too deeply into what it was the Ancient Vampires were worshipping. Of course, given that the Hylden were using the Mass, an Eldritch Abomination for their experiments, perhaps they do have some understanding of the creature claiming to be god and thus were adamantly opposed to conforming to its will. It's fun to speculate.

This is the future, the scion's job. Unite what has been sundered. Get the two old species on the same page to fight the true enemy who's been keeping them apart this whole time.

It's confusing. At first I thought the Hylden were defying the elder god by being immortal. In blood omen 2 the Hylden lord says they are immortal because of the demon dimension

Yeah I think the developers did talk briefly about this. The Hylden weren't originally immortal but when they were banished to the Demon Realm, that place made it so they would never wither and die by natural means either. So their immortality is a bit different from the Ancient Vampires but by the time of Blood Omen 2, they're immortal none the less.

Love it! Very believable that the Hylden were working on achieving immortality and that they would use their unfinished research as a weapon against the Vampyres. I also think the Hylden would have accepted the blood thirst as the price of immortality. Based on the way they viewed humans - I imagine them herding and farming the people of Nosgoth like animals. And then the Hylden 'achieved' immortality anyway, because the demon dimension is outside of normal time and space.

Only wish Crystal Dynamics and Embracer Group were more passionate about this series - we really need more comics, TV Shows, and movies to keep LOK alive!

Will definitely do a vid on the Seer in the future 👍

Likely she's just a pure hylden, uncorrupted by the hellish demon world.

I agree. - Lily&

I think the blood thirst was part of the curse to destroy the vampyres. Consider this: The Hylden find early humans and breed them into a worker/slave caste, creating the humans we know. Humans then see the ancient vampyres come down and war against their masters and oppressors and humans treat the vampyres as saviors and gods and join the war against Hylden. The blood thirst is ment to make the vampyres turn against their human allies and even worse than the Hylden, raise humans to be food. Not workers or slaves but cattle. That seems rather horrible to me and fitting of a curse.

@@glenngriffon8032 in Defiance Janos explains to Raziel thst the real curse was immortality, since it separated them from the wheel of fate.

@@arx3516 Well of course a religious zealot that doesn't know his god is a great old one is going to say that that was the real curse but that was just an aspect of it. The whole package is that vampires can no longer breed, they can no longer join the wheel of fate and they must consume their own allies for food.

Love it! Very believable that the Hylden were working on achieving immortality and that they would use their unfinished research as a weapon against the Vampyres. I also think the Hylden would have accepted the blood thirst as the price of immortality. Based on the way they viewed humans - I imagine them herding and farming the people of Nosgoth like animals.

his undoing cited by kain and rebirth is a trait to his hylden origin , he can't be destroyed , he is immortal!

Im still laughing at this moment. Like, just fly away dumass

@@Brandelwyn His wings were broken.

@@Ieatpaste23 i don't remember that being the case

Birds can't fly out of a vortex. Evidence: green energy windmills kill 1000s of birds. Ooh there went another one. Mmmmm, green energy. Hylden tech on Earth.

@@Brandelwyn that's why he has him by the wings.

The Seer is indeed a mysterious character, so I figure she deserves a separate video for herself at some point.

​@strictlyfantasy she was interesting! Love nosgoth

If memory serves, the Demon Realm is supposedly a place of chaos where the normal rules of physics in the Material Realm don't apply. Assuming it also applies to the laws of time, it could be that despite them being banished for thousands of linear years, for the Hylden in the Demon Realm, it could only be a minute, a day, a week, a month or any other time frame. We know that time stops in the Spectral Realm as Raziel shifts. After all, when Kain was sent there after his fight with Raziel, the Hylden ask "Do you not think of this place, Vampire? Or are we truly forgotten?" so it could be that while there is some passage of time, either they just don't know how long or it's less linear than the Material Realm

​​​@@irishdc9523 Two Statements of Daniel Cabuco would indeed support your words. Quote one: _Further still they realized that they could not die from old age, essentially freezing them in time and space (I think unable to raise children as well. Realizing their eventual fall was due, they reached out to their old enemies and forged alliances, finding ways to breach the thinner passages to the Material Realm of Nosgoth. (Entropy has a way of making strange bedfellows) Lesser demons would have been enslaved, greater demons would have been in an uneasy alliance with the Hylden._ Quote two: _The Hylden aren't immortal, they just live in a dimension where time is warped and they age differently in relation to the material realm. Remember that Vampires weren't immortal until the Hylden cursed them so. How much they know and cooperate with the Elder God was still a mystery._

Thanks a ton! I confess I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to making sure the editing and music are point. 😅

@@strictlyfantasy nothing wrong with striving to do it right man

That could very well be true. We just don't have enough evidence either way. But the fact that they were using an Eldritch Abomination (the Mass) for their own purposes may infer that they at least knew something about the Ancient Vampires' God's true nature.

@@strictlyfantasy Actually... The Elder God never wanted the Hylden banished. He constantly works towards not only removing all vampires from Nozgoth, but also towards the Pillars corruption and ultimate ruin. He actually wants the Hylden back, just as he wanted them to survive the ancient war. And, this is, imho, to a simple fact. The wheel of fate, is in fact a lie. There is no real circle of birth, death and rebirth. Otherwise, Kain wouldn't get the chance to ressurtect the Sarafan elite, Raziel included, after so many years after their deaths, their souls would have been reborn as something, over and over again. The truth behind the Elder God's method and plan is, perhaps more sinister. He's an eldritch creature, some Lovecraftian parasitic entity that, perhaps, originates from some other dimension, that feeds on souls. That much we all know from the games, but, what does that tells us? If the Elder God feeds on the souls, they never get reborn. When Raziel, or any other soul eating wraith, feeds on a mortal soul, they never get to live again, example being the various wraith turned vampires, that Raziel gets to fight. Not to mention, he needs an entire army of soul harvester wraiths, in order to feed on the souls inhabiting the spectral realm. Souls, that, had the wheel been real, would be instantly drawn to it, upon death, and spin back to a rebirth, not wander the spectral realm endlessly.He just wants conflict, hatred, and hostility, to fuel wars, that keep sending recently died souls to him to feast upon. And, in that aspect, it's safe to assume he spoke to both the Hylden, and Vampyres, presenting himselfdifferently to each race, igniting hatred for one another. And, given the chance, as soon as the humans finally got to rise to power, he did the same once more. He manipulated Moebius, and Mortanius, and kept the killing spree going on. Let's not forget the core of the "device" and eldritch abomination, most likely a gift from the Elder God to the Hylden. Should they succeed, they'd kill all vampyres, and all humans at the same moment, delivering all those souls to the squid to feed. He only turned his back on vampyres, when their new-found immortality made them inedible to him. And, a little twist , or theory, of my own. Both races had these Messiah figures foretold.But, through their preparations, machinations and plans, they, unknowingly perhaps, only worked towards exposing the truen nature of the Elder God, allowing them to unite against him, not just them, but the humans as well, and rid Nozgoth of the parasite. And, that is what the Elder God tried that hard to stop. Both Messiahs uniting into one. Kain, and the purified Reaver. The Vampyre messiah, and the Hylden, working as one.

the water was like a security feature, stopping just any old vamprie/any one else entering the portal

Whoa. Right! Once it was fountaining blood a vampire could dive in, but before that it was running water. Like an electric fence for vamps.

Love eternal darkness. Another game that deserves a remake or remaster.

I haven't played Eternal Darkness, but I have heard that it was developed by Silicon Knights and it carried many ideas that would have gone into Legacy of Kain if they had continued the series instead of Crystal Dynamics. I definitely should play it and do a vid on it at some point.

@@strictlyfantasy I highly recommend it if you can get your hands on it. Playing on a GameCube with a CRT TV or HD TV is still the best way. But if you can emulate it, it's better than nothing. Great game.

Square owns LoK currently. Given they were behind the Nosgoth release and the current remake fad. Better to leave the series where it is for now.

@@pious83 Isn't the Emracer Group holding the rights from Square Enix these days, though, given that they're not exactly stable either, I feel like Legacy Of Kain should be brought back under the proper care of Amy Hennig, whoever the dev might be story should be handled by her.